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Consequences / Re: Origins of COVID-19
« on: February 16, 2021, 09:22:29 PM »
Considering how much science-oriented many here are I'm really surprised that no-one ever thought about to correct the thread title.

COronaVirusDesease-19 is the effect/illnes caused by SARS-COrona-Virus-2 and therefore the question would be to ask for the origin of SARS-CoV-2 not CoViD-19.

That's not nitpicking because the correct terms are essential in a discussion to have a chance for decent results. Also it's not only here that flawed terminology makes reasoning difficult, it's just a perfect example to point it out.

Of course one can ask for the origin of CoViD-19 but then the answer is obvious = SARS-CoV-2


 ;)

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In the US, no one is legally allowed to get evicted for non-payment.  A certain portion of the entire US population is living for free, no rent, no mortgage - free housing.

They say the eviction moratorium is to stop the spread of the virus, but that's a lie.

The real reason is because if they ever lift the moratorium, the 3rd world status of the US will be more obvious.  Massive homeless populations, and massive poverty rates would ensue.


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Arctic sea ice / Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« on: January 23, 2021, 03:08:47 AM »

https://phys.org/news/2021-01-climate-carbon-trends-million-years.html
  It's not current news being from 2006, but it's still a lovely picture.

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Consequences / Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« on: January 20, 2021, 06:47:29 PM »
Claims to be not a denier.
Cherry picks one outlaying data set.
Only UHA gives 0.14.
All the others give 0.19C a decade or more.
https://skepticalscience.com/trend.php
Still claims we can have a hiatus in warming by looking at  noise.
It is the trend stupid .
Global warming  is the long term trend not the yearly weather fluctuations.

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So, again, W is spreading dangerous lies about life-and-death issues on this forum.

At some point (like...already) it becomes the forums moral responsibility not to be party to the spreading of dangerous lives in the midst of a global pandemic, just as it does so well (usually) in keeping climate denialism off of its threads.

(Note also that his source does not have the best reputation in the publishing world--see this among other damning reviews cited from wiki:

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According to Allison and James Kaufman in the 2018 book Pseudoscience: The Conspiracy Against Science, "Frontiers has used an in-house journals management software that does not give reviewers the option to recommend the rejection of manuscripts" and that the "system is setup to make it almost impossible to reject papers".

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Arctic sea ice / Re: 2021 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: January 03, 2021, 04:37:25 PM »
Hi Gero.

I think that these numbers need to be changed to 2021...

NSIDC Total AREA as at 02-Jan-2021 (5 day trailing average) 11,070,767 KM2         
         
Sea ice area gain on this day 17 k, 32 k less than the 2010's average gain of 49 k         
         
- 2020 2021 area is at position #2 in the satellite record.         
- 2020 2021 ...         
         
NSIDC Sea ice EXTENT gain on this day 26 k, 24 k less than the 2010's average gain of 50k         
         
- 2020 2021 EXTENT is at position #4 in the satellite record.         
- 2020 2021 ...   

P.S. People that do nothing, they do not make mistakes. Thank you for all the work that you do!
And thanks to everyone that participates! We have the best internet Arctic sea ice forum here!

Happy new year!   ;)

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covid and the lockdowns are responsible for 0% of hunger and poverty.

it is blindingly obvious to anyone who doesn't have their eyes rigidly shut that poverty comes from people not having money. And people not having money is because other people have nearly all the money (and power).

I'm sure all posters who express great dismay about hunger and poverty will join me in calling for an immediate redistribution of wealth, so that the richest 1% no longer owns as much as, or more than, the entire middle class (not to mention everyone else!) :)

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: December 07, 2020, 05:24:26 PM »
A healthy reminder for the USA folks on basic Human Rights. Will Biden+Neera Tanden revert this calamity and also give Healthcare To All?

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Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: December 07, 2020, 03:46:51 PM »
Giant Vertical Farm Opens In Denmark
https://techxplore.com/news/2020-12-giant-vertical-farm-denmark.html



Fourteen layers of racks soar from floor to ceiling in this massive, 7,000-square-metre (75,350-square-foot) hangar used by Danish start-up Nordic Harvest.

https://www.nordicharvest.com/

The produce grown here will be harvested 15 times a year, despite never seeing soil or daylight. It is lit up around the clock by 20,000 specialised LED lightbulbs.

In this futuristic farm, little robots deliver trays of seeds from aisle to aisle.



Some 200 tonnes of produce are due to be harvested in the first quarter of 2021, and almost 1,000 tonnes annually when the farm is running at full capacity by the end of 2021, explains Anders Riemann, founder and chief executive of Nordic Harvest.

The farm uses one litre of water per kilogramme of produce, or 40 times less than underground farms and 250 times less than in fields, he says.

That would make the Taastrup warehouse one of Europe's biggest vertical farms.

In Denmark, a world leader in wind farms, about 40 percent of electricity consumption is wind-based. ... "In our case, we use 100 percent energy from windmills which makes us CO2-neutral," Anders Riemann, founder and chief executive of Nordic Harvest explained.

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I'll let SH or someone else knowledgeable about the minutia of these things go into the details if they have the stomach for it.

Have an Economics degree and MBA from the University of Chicago and simply do not have the inclination to engage. It is a waste of energy.

Spending time talking to this individual would make me stupider as a result.


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Rodius, we are wrong.  The stock market is the economy.  Has been since the current market system began.  The economy has never deviated from the market - ever.  There have always been winners and losers, people at the top and bottom, from the beginning of time.  The difference between today and previous systems is that there exist a large portion in the middle.  They will be rich always and the poor will always be with us.  Someone much wiser than me once said that.

Christ almighty! The stupid hurts. Remind me to not take any investment advice from you.

Exactly.

An example of how ridiculous the stock market situation is.

About 10 years ago a whole bunch of companies listed on the stock exchange used financial products so badly that is brought the global economy to its knees.
What exactly did they contribute to the economy?
Well, the contributed debt products that destroyed the ability of people to spend their money. When their financial products, which contributed nothing at all to the true economy, failed, we were told they were too big to fail (this is in spite of the US motto of survival of the fittest... if this were true, they would have been allowed to die their natural and deserved deaths) and they were saved using tax payer money. Tax money that came from workers and small businesses who were left to fail and die.

The economy propped up a bunch of thieves.
And to top it off, they got bonuses and have done it again.
No jail time was to be had, no punishments were made, they got bailed out because of the myth that if they failed, the stock market would truly crash and it would be bad.... for rich people.

So the poor working class bailed them out via the Govt who are meant to represent their interests.

If those companies were left to die their deserved death, the gaps they left would have been filled by companies who didn't make bullshit financial products, tax payer money that was spent propping up thieves could have been given back to tax paying workers who would have spent it in companies in the economy who actually make things and provide serves that employ a lot of people.

And today, with the added complexity of a virus that will ravage its way through people and the economy, the same situation is in place with stock market companies producing more bullshit products that contribute nothing to the actual economy.... and they do it because they believe that when the shit hits the fan again, they will still make money from the situation.
Why wouldn't the stock market go up when they have a govt who is always prepared to save their miserable asses?

Covid is being used as yet another means to gather in power and wealth to even more extreme levels at the expense of peoples life's, shelter, food and well being.
This has happened so many times throughout history as to be cliche.... and when the people get sick of it enough, and I suspect it is getting closer by the week, they will rise up against those in power and reset the balance.

I am sure there are examples of this happening without bloodshed and misery, but they are the exceptions, not the rule.

Covid, while bad enough, is not the biggest problem in the US or the world, but it sure as hell is the spark that will light the firestorm.

The concentration of wealth in 2020 has worsened because of the actions of wealthy and powerful people and Covid is the screen that has been used to do it.
It wont last.
People in the US are getting hungry, shelter is uncertain, and the rich get richer...... seriously, it is cliche and this is yet another thing that baffles me concerning those in power.... surely they know that it is better to give more back and keep their stupid wealth and power intact than to keep taking until there is a revolution?

The stock market is unrelated to the real economy. It is just a wealth creating project for the already rich.


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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: November 23, 2020, 05:09:11 PM »
Crandles,
Our COVID is special (on this side of the Pond) in that it only affects losers, so it's okay.  That's what the President seems to say, anyway, and he should know - note how many in the White House have/had it.
[If you think this post is political, it'll be news to me.]
:)

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: November 16, 2020, 07:50:57 PM »
SARS-CoV-2 Exits Cells Via Lysosomes

A study finds that β-coronaviruses don’t use the normal secretory pathway, a possible explanation for some aspects of COVID-19 pathology.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/sars-cov-2-exits-cells-via-lysosomes-68153

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: November 12, 2020, 04:48:23 PM »
^^
For future reference:
Disastrously high
Cataclysmically high
Catastrophically high
Apocalyptically high

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: November 06, 2020, 07:12:04 PM »
It's almost like it wasn't a good idea to keep 17 million minks in cages for the sole purpose of the fashion industry.


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Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: October 17, 2020, 06:00:03 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

October 16th, 2020:
     4,928,965 km2, a drop of -9,602 km2:o
     2020 is the lowest on record on this date.
     Highlighted the 5 years with a daily lowest min in September. In million km2:
     [ 1) 2012: 3.18,  2) 2020: 3.55,  3) 2019: 3.96,  4) 2016: 4.02  &  5) 2007: 4.07 ].
     In the graph are today's 10 lowest years.
     Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.

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Consequences / Re: Wildfires
« on: October 05, 2020, 04:30:42 PM »
I don’t know, Tor, what does make you think that?
For all those decades both statistics were near zero, and then both start rising sharply just a few years ago.
That is an observation just looking at the graphs.
What’s political about that?

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Consequences / Re: The Climatic Effects of a Blue Ocean Event
« on: September 18, 2020, 07:57:38 PM »
As with ESAS methane, nobody wants to hear about albedo, better to err on the side of least drama, hundreds of examples documented by AbruptSLR on that forum.

Thanks.

People are also not that into real simple climate science.

Paris agreement. We keep under some ´safe´ 2C level.
Safe is not actually defined so lets substitute the usual climate tipping points. Keeping the permafrost a sink has failed. Saving the arctic ice has failed. Not triggering Antarctica too etc.
And that is with current temps.

The Arctic ices ´old ice skeleton´ is clearly failing so next year might be even worse in the Central Arctic. I think this region is more vulnerable then people usually argue so we might see unprecedented losses there soon (this decade) and then we will see what Earth calculates for the budget and what the actual knock on effects are.

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Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: September 18, 2020, 06:29:46 PM »
For decades David Attenborough delighted millions with tales of life on Earth. But now the broadcaster wants us to face up to the state of the planet
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/18/dont-look-away-now-are-viewers-finally-ready-for-the-truth-about-nature-aoe
  by Patrick Greenfield

&

(51m44)

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Arctic sea ice / Re: MOSAiC news
« on: September 12, 2020, 12:36:46 AM »
Mosaic posted a beautiful photo of the new mooring site taken by a small drone on Sunday 06 Sept 2020. Since the Polarstern is 180m in length bow to stern, a grid of those specs can be put over the image to establish a distance scale of 2 pixels per meter.

However the drone was not directly overhead at the time of the photo because the more of the port than starboard side is shown (assuming the smokestack is centered amidship). As usual, all the Exif data has been stripped off the photo: we do not know time of day (sun angle), direction of north, nor height of the drone, nor nadir inclination of the camera.

The location of the Polarstern varied quite a bit that day, ranging from 88.7-8º  113.5-119.0º, so the lat lon at the time of the photo can only be estimated.

Consequently it is not possibly to orthorectify the photo for purposes of measure percent of melt pond area, leads and so forth. They've used Sentinel-2 in past months but that requires fog- and cloud-free conditions and decent sunlight at the time of overpass.

The new road system is visible but just barely. It heads out to 3-4 unlabelled gear depots where oceanographic and meteorological measurements are made. Some sites can be related to earlier ground-level scenes of sampling.

A curious feature of the photo: a swath 600 x 100 m just 'north' of the ship appears to show recent snow covering recently frozen melt ponds. The latter are visible after contrast enhancement. After that correction, the melt pond size and distribution appear fairly homogenous. They are in all stages of drainage and connectivity, well indicated by shades of blue. Black leads of open water and shattered ice cannot be interpreted without knowing how the ship approached the mooring site.

Mosaic's science communication through the ages:
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Goethe 1774: Misunderstandings and lethargy perhaps produce more wrong in the world than deceit and malice do. At least the latter two are certainly rarer.

Heinlein 1941 "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity."

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: September 11, 2020, 05:25:02 AM »
I ask that you indulge my bathymetry-and-ice-distribution fixation one more time.  This gif is from images on the oden site.  I was not able to get images for the same date each year, so the images are from a day from each year during the first two weeks of September, showing the approximate ice extent minimum.  The thing that jumps out here for me is how different this year is from all the others in terms of the Atlantic front, as others have noted.  2020 melt has advanced into the deep basin of the Arctic Ocean in a manner that seems qualitatively different...   Retreating halocline?  Source: https://oden.geo.su.se/map/    Maps only go back to 2014, so no 2012.

Large gif.  Click to animate.  3 secs+ per image, a bit slow so features can be observed.


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Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: September 07, 2020, 07:59:43 PM »
It's 'old news' now, but Jim Petit's gaph/table of NSIDC extent was finally updated.  This is only the 2nd year with a 'permanent' orange band (under 4M km2) [Click on URL for current image.]
Image URL sometimes isn't as current as the actual image, for some reason: image at http://iwantsomeproof.com/extimg/sie_nsidc_max_min_plus_step_days.png

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Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: September 01, 2020, 05:31:54 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 31st, 2020:
     3,943,313 km2, a drop of -51,770 km2.
     2020 is 2nd lowest on record on this date.
     Highlighted 2020 & the 4 years with a daily lowest min in Sept. (2012, 2019, 2016 & 2007).
     In the graph are today's 10 lowest years.
     Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent

P.S. 2020 became the second lowest minimum on record today. There are still about two weeks left until the 2020 melting season ends.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: MOSAiC news
« on: August 23, 2020, 01:45:36 PM »
Thanks for the level headed reply A-Team. Next time I will do some more research first, and I should probably just ignore posts by <another user> I find derailing.

<Edited said user name. O>
Well, said user is of the opinion that if you condescend, then you must expect to be derailed.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: August 23, 2020, 04:07:16 AM »
Most contributors choose to remain anonymous.  There's nothing wrong with that, and it may be prudent, in many cases.

Announcing to the whole Forum that you want to know the identity of another participant is inappropriate.  in my view, it's grounds for banishment.  But I'm not in charge here. 

<Removed all personal references. O>

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: August 22, 2020, 11:31:48 PM »
Thanks for the feedback all.

Thoughts on this version?

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 22, 2020, 12:14:04 AM »
Genomic Analysis Reveals Many Animal Species May Be Vulnerable to SARS-CoV-2 Infection
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-genomic-analysis-reveals-animal-species.html



Humans are not the only species facing a potential threat from SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19, according to a new study from the University of California, Davis.

"Broad host range of SARS-CoV-2 predicted by comparative and structural analysis of ACE2 in vertebrates," Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (2020).
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/08/20/2010146117

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Hi Jim , I'm battered but unbruised , Roof remains .. catching up on lost sleep.. :) b.c.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: August 20, 2020, 07:17:43 PM »
Well Friv, 3rd was always, and still is a much better chance than getting down to 2-2.5m.

NO, as I said, 1 more like this and we are close to second even in the best year for the ice and then conditions are as far away from that could happen as it can get for now.

So it's a simple NO without having to get out on a limb.

<Removed personal stuff. O>

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Arctic sea ice / Re: When will the Arctic Go Ice Free?
« on: August 19, 2020, 12:18:17 AM »
Wadhams has been thinking the ice was due to vanish in 2015 since 2012 and has been ignoring data since 2012 in order to keep thinking that way. Maybe its because his expertise is in old ice, and the old ice has virtually all gone and he can't bring himself to understand an Arctic where the ice has a 2 year lifespan rather than the 10 year lifespan of the ice in the Arctic he studied.

Probably Wadhams is right, after all. The Arctic is already unrecognizable for those who loved it 40/30/20 years ago. Maybe the BOE we are all waiting for to happen in the near future, has just occurred under our deceived eyes. And what we are witnessing right now, is just the destroyed ice world shedding its last spoils.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Updating the ASIG
« on: August 15, 2020, 04:26:38 PM »
I apologize for being so late with updating the SIC maps. I always tend to procrastinate when it comes to tedious jobs. But it's all updated now, all the way to end of November.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« on: August 09, 2020, 06:26:45 PM »
I think someone fell flat on the face and is bleeding out now... DIAL 911!!!  ;D

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Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: August 05, 2020, 05:52:53 PM »
  .. or not ! .. I've got things covered .. I offered to cover Gero in circumstances like this a year or 2 ago so now i am .. however I'm delighted to see community in action .. b.c.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 03, 2020, 10:19:52 PM »
To all the anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-everything people, this is the logical conclusion of “freedom”.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: August 01, 2020, 07:02:21 AM »
July 1-31 (fast).

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Off Topic
« on: July 28, 2020, 06:06:27 PM »
A little about bathymetry and atlantification, not enough for a thread, and don't want to affect popcorn eaters on ms thread.The tides will build from today towards 03:08 but due to the low by the Faroes there's been a decent amount of Atl. waters forced north, we have a high by Kara so only the most energetic fraction will penetrate to St. Anna trough, which implies a fair bit of forcing through Fram. The Pacific side had a persistent high for long enough to evacuate maybe 20+cms of water and now a deep low is there calling all that back and more. The persistent high forced a current to establish flowing away from it towards Lomonosov that drew in Pacific waters in it's wake and the hole [in the ice cover] north of Wrangel is where this current naturally falls into the deep and by coincidence it's right by a 'pinch point' of steeper slope where the Atl. waters that have made their way around the basins detatch, maybe due to loss of inertia maybe too saline[?]. Each current will accelerate the other so are likely to persist.
The incoming through Fram will seperate according to it's energetic state, that with the most inertia will drive along the Barents shelf and here it will generate vortices which stretch vertically causing melt above and small waves below in passing. Less energetic waters will be drawn across to Greenland and Ellesmere being the easiest means by which to resupply the Pacific side and here too as it passes it'll cause vortices as it holds fast to the shelf north of Greenland/ Ellesmere if not clearing the shelf then not allowing anything to settle.
Pessimistically it seems to mean up to 45cms of water will be drawn in from the Atl. and Pac and since these flows are pulsed with the tides then the extra movement around the Basins, before waves and wind are considered, is going to 'lubricate' the rotation of the 'pack'.
Already we see that surface ice is moving towards the low rather than being dispersed.
Other 'pinch points' exist the first in the rotation being directly after Laptev, spinning water off to the far side of Lomonosov the next at approx. 160E, other things to note is the emerging divide above Gakel ridge by Laptev and that as shown by Mercator the vorticiity is not confined to the shelf side of Amundsen/Nansen.
This much forcing followed by it's opposite is going to accelerate the exchange of Atl. and Arctic waters


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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: July 27, 2020, 08:01:46 AM »
Trump owes the world suicide.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: July 24, 2020, 11:57:39 PM »
Can people please just wait for JCG and Gerontocrat to do their things. It is always funny watching people try to jockey for the honorable position of daily data updater.

As long as users post data ir's ok. Maybe not always useful but no harm. Thanks to all who make the effort.

JAXA Extent -Comparisons with other years

With Juan having a bit of a rest (I hope - he certainly deserves one**) while others take up the slack, I attach my not-as-good-as-Juan's table of variations of Jaxa extent c.f. previous years from 2000.

I also attach another not-as-good-as-Juan's table, this one showing extent on this day c.f. previous years MINIMA from 2000. As extent diminishes 2020 will slide down the table.
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** Juan can't go to bed until the JAXA data arrives, and sometimes it doesn't..
Me, I can yawn, scratch my arse, get up, have a coffee or 3 and only then wake my laptop up.

Thank you all for your comments. The true is that it is hard to be the one that has the job to post 10 or 15 minutes after ADS makes public their data. Sometimes I want to go to bed earlier and sometimes I am doing other stuff and I have to leave it, just because it is the time to post. So, sometimes I just want to skip the post.

Yesterday I was watching Netflix with my wife and I have to stop watching, to make the post 15 minutes later than usual. In a way, it was a relief to saw the posts of Frivolousz21 and MrGreeny (*). I decided to return to watch TV. I think there is not harm if I don't post every single day.

So, thank you, Frivolousz21 and MrGreeny.

I understand the excitement that we have now, with all the records that are being broken. I share this excitement, so, as it is said on boxing, I am not throwing the towel. I will look to continue posting.

If I haven't made the post in 15 minutes after the JAXA data has been released, please feel free to make the post.
 
________________________
(*) P.S. A great relief that there was not a century drop...  :)

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: July 19, 2020, 08:22:43 AM »
Here is the next 3 days on the 00Z euro.  The ESS , part of the Chuchki, far far Northern Laptev, and the central Arctic basin is truly going to get decimated by this.

Concentration is going to straight
Plummet. 

Area will have a mini cliff.

Extent will continue to drop.

I AM ALMOST ASHAMED AT HOW EXCITED I AM ABOUT THIS.  WE ARE WITNESSING EPIC HISTORY IN REAL TIME!!!!


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Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: July 18, 2020, 07:15:28 PM »
Apologies if someone already mentioned it, but I thought it worth noting that the sea ice extent as measured by NSIDC on July 17th (6.954 million km2) is already lower than the September minimum extents from 1980 (7.533), 1982 (7.16), 1983 (7.204), 1986 (7.122), 1988 (7.048), 1992 (7.159), and 1996 (7.147).

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Science / Re: Where are we now in CO2e , which pathway are we on?
« on: July 17, 2020, 08:56:50 PM »
Wind farms can't make wind farms. A drilled oil field can provide enough energy to drill a new field (or make a wind farm). Basically the energy comes from fossil fuels originally. If the energy is used to build a solar panel rather than spin a turbine, maybe it is more efficient, but the foundation is always fossil fuel energy.

Industry relies are fossil fuels. Manufacturing, mining, and practically everything else can't be run on wind or solar. These renewables are great at providing addition electricity to a grid that has a base load maintained on fossil fuels. This is the lowest of the low hanging fruit. And we are barely succeeding at that.

The transition will always seem to be at hand in the next decade or two. But it will never happen (until society collapses). It is impossible.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: July 17, 2020, 08:14:17 PM »
Military Medics Deploy in California, Texas as Virus Surges
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/military-medics-deploy-california-texas-virus-surges-200717154400390.html

Teams of military medics were deployed in Texas and California to help hospitals deluged by coronavirus patients, as Miami area authorities on Friday began stepping up enforcement of a mask requirement - echoing efforts in many parts of the world to contain surging infections.

In California, military doctors, nurses and other healthcare specialists were being deployed to eight hospitals facing staffing shortages amid record-breaking case numbers. In Houston, an 86-person army medical team worked to take over a wing of United Memorial Medical Center.

There were signs elsewhere in the country's Sunbelt that the virus was stretching states' capacity to respond. The medical examiner's office in metro Phoenix has gotten portable storage coolers and ordered more to handle an influx of bodies - reminiscent of New York City at the height of the pandemic there earlier this year.

In Florida's Miami-Dade County, the county commission unanimously approved an emergency order giving all code and fire inspectors authority to issue tickets of up to $100 for individuals and $500 for businesses not complying with guidelines to wear masks and practice social distancing. Police officers already had this enforcement power.

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US Military Arrives at Eisenhower Health in Rancho Mirage Amid Hospital's Staffing Shortage
https://abc7.com/eisenhower-health-rancho-mirage-hospital-us-army-doctors-riverside-county-coronavirus/6321377/

... Dr. Alan Williamson, the hospital's chief medical officer and vice president of medical affairs, told ABC News earlier this week they're "close" to a breaking point.

As of late Thursday night, the intensive care unit was at capacity.

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White House Document Shows 18 States in Coronavirus "Red Zone"
https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/exclusive-white-house-document-shows-18-states-in-coronavirus-red-zone-covid-19/

A document prepared for the White House Coronavirus Task Force but not publicized suggests more than a dozen states should revert to more stringent protective measures, limiting social gatherings to 10 people or fewer, closing bars and gyms and asking residents to wear masks at all times.

The document, dated July 14 and obtained by the Center for Public Integrity, says 18 states are in the “red zone” for COVID-19 cases, meaning they had more than 100 new cases per 100,000 population last week. Eleven states are in the “red zone” for test positivity, meaning more than 10 percent of diagnostic test results came back positive.

The following 18 states are in the red zone for cases: Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.

The document has been shared within the federal government but does not appear to be posted publicly.

Dr. Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, said he thought the information and recommendations were mostly good.

“The fact that it’s not public makes no sense to me,” Jha said Thursday. “Why are we hiding this information from the American people? This should be published and updated every day.”

... In May, the World Health Organization recommended that governments make sure test positivity rates were at 5 percent or lower for 14 days before reopening. A COVID-19 tracker from Johns Hopkins University shows that 33 states were above that recommended positivity as of July 16.

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Faced With Second Wave, Europe Tightens Virus Measures
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-europe-tightens-virus.html

Here is an overview of recent developments in each individual country, which include localised lockdowns and the obligation to wear face masks among others: ...


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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: July 17, 2020, 10:14:32 AM »
Force Trump to fire him

I think you are being unfair, Archimid.

Ask yourself the question if you want Fauci or a random trump goon in this position. Because this is the alternative.

Trump turns everything he touches into brown stinking liquid shit. This is a trump problem, not a scientist problem. Please don't fall into this trap.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: July 17, 2020, 06:15:14 AM »
My bad on implying I would walk away from the forum over what I take as deliberate ignorance or you could call it deliberate misdirection.

I only meant that I'm not going to engage in the nonsense that seems to seep out of ideology being crushed


Anyways...


From the other thread.

[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

July 16th, 2020:
     6,820,565 km2, a century drop of -145,352 km2.
     2020 is the lowest on record.
     Highlighted 2020 & the 4 years with a daily lowest min in Sept. (2012, 2019, 2016 & 2007).
     In the graph are today's 10 lowest years.
     Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent

Now 420,000km2 below #2 and roughly 600,000km2 below the average of the worst years.

Truly amazing.


The BIG QUESTION IS BECOMING....

HOW MUCH OF THE SOUTHERN 1/2 OF THE CAB MELTS OUT THIS SUMMER??

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: July 17, 2020, 05:50:46 AM »
To Friv, and all, please don't be frustrated by some dissenting voices here. Part of the forum is about educating less knowledgeable folks, who sometimes make ignorant comments. These do not dominate the conversation, though they can piss off sometimes.

I will take the feedback to heart though, and from now on I will try to moderate and edit more heavily claims that are in contradiction to common knowledge and established ice science (as far as my limited knowledge allows). Ignorant and insistent posters will have to suck it up or take the arguments to less popular threads.

This is certainly an unprecedented melting season, and the damage done will manifest itself even more in the next two months. Stick around! You won't be sorry.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: July 17, 2020, 05:47:38 AM »

ALL RIGHT I'M DONE YOU GUYS ENJOY THIS NONSENSE

Yikes, Is Frivolous leaving? But the best/scariest part of the melt season is just coming up! I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’d much rather have Friv on this forum than the sea-lioning commenter he’s ranting about.

Not leaving.

I don't want anyone else to leave. Including Phoenix.

I WANT EVERYONE TO EXIST HERE WITH INTEGRITY AND GENUINITY.

ITS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE WITH THESE NONSENSICAL  TALKING POINTS THAT ARE NOT BACKED WITH FACT OR DATA AT ALL.


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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: July 17, 2020, 05:45:19 AM »
It can not be argued that we have (not) seen some extreme surface melting over the last few days.

I added the word "not" that I think you meant to put in there.

I don't think it's very scientific to try and draw boundaries around what can and can not be argued. Clearly there is visible and undeniable evidence supporting the massive extent declines being reported by JAXA. The 2D shrinkage is undeniable.

But there is room for reasonable people to question how much of that shrinkage is due to melting and how much is due to relocation.

There is a lot of evidence which will be forthcoming in the next two months which will shed more light on what has transpired during the GAAC. There isn't any reason to label less common perspectives such as those implied by Nico Sun (and his depiction of a negative current melting energy anomaly) as being invalid at this moment. The likelihood of proof is just around the corner.

I certainly think its fair to criticize and dissect the logic of unpopular arguments, but we should not make declarations that characterize arguments which have yet to be made before the proof. At this point, I don't see proof which enables us to reasonably quantify how much of the extent reduction is due to ice relocation.
When worldview, bremen concentration maps, hycom and the july piomas agree on the impact of the gaac on melt it cannot be argued, the fact that ess concentration is dropping while in a compaction pattern says it all. Furthermore, denying it would be like denying thermodynamics, temperatures have been reliably above the ice melting point, both air and sst, the insolation is high unabated by the usual clouds and albedo is low. Denying physical phenomenons is also the m. o. of climate change deniers, but beyond that it is just plain wrong, especially with the relative wealth of information provided here


It's amazing it's truly amazing.  We're trying to have an adult conversation centered around dozens+ pieces of scientific data that is aquired through dozens+ pieces of UNBELIEVABLY ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY THAT HAS BEEN TESTED TO NEAR PINPOINT ACCURACY BY THE FINEST SCIENTIFIC MIND OF OUR GENERATION AND THE PREVIOUS TWO.

THIS TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN TESTED IN THE REAL WORLD FOR DECADE WEATHER IT'S NEW OR OLD IT IS ALL RELIABLE TO NEARLY 100% RELIABILITY.

WE HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT INTERPRETATION AND IN REAL TIME WE CAN PUT IT INTO SCIENTIFIC FACT.


AND YET THIS PRECIOUS FORUM.. WHICH IS A LAST REFUGE... The LAST SANCTUARY WHERE THOUSANDS OF CURIOUS INTELLIGENT WELL UNDERSTOOD AND JOE'S WILLING TO LEARN MINDS OF PROFESSIONALS & AMATURES ALIKE CENTERED AROUND THE BUBBLE OF CLIMATOLOGY METEOROLOGY, GLACIOLOGY, PHYSICAL SCIENCE, PHYSICS, CHEMISTRY, BIOLOGY, ADVANCE MATHEMATICS, CALCULUS, GEOMETRY, ALGORITHMIC MODELING, ALGORITHMIC DATA INTERPRETATION, AND ON AND ON AND ON.. 






AND YET DISSENT RAINS DOWN ONTO THE ASGARD OF ARCTIC SCIENTIFIC GROUP THINK....

TRYING TO WEDGE ITS WAY DEEP INTO THE ESTABLISHED, INFINITLY TESTED WITH EVERY RELIABLE WAY OF UNDERSTANDING THE ARCTIC BIOSPHERE AND IN PARTICULAR IN THIS DISCUSSION MORE SPECIFICALLY THE SEA ICE.





SO YES I AM VERY TRIGGERED WHEN I COME TO THIS SANCTUARY TO READ THE THOUGHTS OF ALL THESE BRILLIANT PEOPLE AND AND INDULGE MYSELF AS DEEP AS I CAN INTO THE DOPAMINIC EXCITEMENT OF NOT ONLY FOLLOWING THE UNPRECEDENTED IN REAL TIME BUT SHARING AND THAT EXPERIENCE WITH THOUSANDS OF BRILLIANT PEOPLE. 


THAT IS CAPPED OFF WITH THE STEADY HIT OF B
THE SEROTONIN SATISFACTION  OF LIVING THIS HISTORICAL REAL TIME TRACKING AND UNDERSTANDING OF AN EVENT.. 


WHICH IS THE FACE...

THE EPITOME...


THE BEAUTIFUL ANOMOLOUS REAL TIME EXPLANATION, THE HOLLYWOOD BLOCKBUSTER THAT IS ONLY SENTIENT SPECIES THE EVER WALK THIS PLANET, AN APEX PREDITOR WHO RULES BE WORLD WITH OVERWHELMING VIOLENCE....

WHILE ALSO DEMONSTRATING THE ABILITY TO ASCEND DISPLAYING UNPARALLELED...

COMPASSION
LOVE
EXPOTENTIAL TECHNOLOGICAL GROWTH...

THE SPECIES OF PHYSICALLY WEAK UPRIGHT WALKING ADVANCED APES UNIQUELY EXISTING AS AN ALONE SINGLE CHILD OF THE HOMINIDS....

YET CARRYING SOME OF THE FABRIC OF ITS NEANDERTHAL SIBLINGS AND DISTANT COUSINS WHO BRAVELY NAVIGATED THE PATH TOWARDS HUMAN ENLIGHTMENT THAT WE ALL GET TO ENJOY...

AND YET WE ARE DESTROYING IT ALL WHILE EXPOTENTIALLY ASCENDING....


AND YET HERE WE ARE:


HAVING TO ACCEPT THAT....

 HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS OF TONS OF ICE HAVE FOUND THE FORCE CAPABLE OF MOVING MILLIONS OF TONS OF ICE OUT OF OCEAN AND ON TOP OF OTHER ICE THAT IS LITERALLY SITTING 1.5-3 METERS AT ITS SURFACE ABOVE THE CLEARING HEIGHT OF THE ADJACENT ICE THAT IS APPARENTLY...

FINDING ITS INNER MICHAEL JORDON...


:)

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: July 16, 2020, 06:23:12 AM »
July 1-15 (fast).

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: July 15, 2020, 07:30:01 PM »
I wrote out a very long post.  And after Reading the message I wrote out I realized that being so confrontational isn't productive.  So quickly:

1.  I think the notion that energy in the open Waters that are very warm next to the ice DOESN'T contribute quite powerfully to melting adjacent ice is utter rubbish.

2.  The conclusion that the ice is currently compact is utter rubbish.

There is open water all over the ice pack and huge melt lakes and ponds.

3. The melt momentum lacking compared to other years is utter rubbish.

I am getting triggered again.

These same talking points and bullshit rationalizing took place all over between 07-12 and it really hurt the quality of the group discussion.



Accordingly if 2020 finishes above 4 million km2 on jaxa.

Assuming 250-300k losses in Sept.

The rest of the main melt season will only lose 2.75 km2 BETWEEN now and Aug 31st .

That would be an average of 59,000km2 a day.

If the rest of July sees 1.25 mil km2 loss.  Which would be 78,000km2 a day.

And August would be:  48,000km2 per day.

And I can't buy that.

Below is todays modis. Absolutely massive area of sunny skies roasting the Arctic.

And the July 925mb temps so far which are straight insane.

SAY INSANE MELT MOMENTUM.











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Arctic sea ice / Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« on: July 15, 2020, 04:29:31 AM »
The Arctic tries its hand at Abstract Impressionism.   Rather successfully, I think.

The last ice in the Kara Sea, Worldview, July 14.

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