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Policy and solutions / Re: Extinction Rebellion
« on: May 19, 2019, 12:54:20 PM »
fwiw given recent comments

New coalition of big-company CEOs pushes Congress for climate action
May 15, 2019 6:19 PM ET|About: BASF SE (BASFY)|By: Carl Surran, SA News Editor

A new initiative featuring more than a dozen major corporations and environmental groups is launching a new effort to urge Congress to pass legislation addressing climate change.

The CEO Climate Dialogue includes CEOs from oil giants BP and Royal Dutch Shell (NYSE:RDS.A) as well as from companies across the economy including Citigroup (NYSE:C), Dominion Energy (NYSE:D) and Ford (NYSE:F).

Also involved: BASF (OTCQX:BASFY), Dow Inc. (NYSE:DOW), DTE Energy (NYSE:DTE), DowDuPont (NYSE:DWDP), Exelon (NYSE:EXC), LafargeHolcim (OTCPK:HCMLF), PG&E (NYSE:PCG), Unilever (NYSE:UN).

The formation of the group could be another sign that the political window for D.C. to seriously consider comprehensive climate legislation is opening.

Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: February 20, 2019, 04:36:18 AM »
In other news:

-new estimates of Tesla US inventory have grown to over 10,000.

-it has become known that AutoPilot is actually more dangerous than no AutoPilot
I have no knowledge of the other info you posted, but these two pieces are from FUD sources as far as I am aware, certainly the second one.

What's the point of the Tesla Glory/Failure thread if nobody actually bothers to read any the negative Tesla articles
You actually replied directly to the post I linked the autopilot report:

In 2017, the feds said Tesla Autopilot cut crashes 40%—that was bogus

But now NHTSA's raw data set is available, and, if anything, it appears to contradict Musk's claims. The majority of the vehicles in the Tesla data set suffered from missing data or other problems that made it impossible to say whether the activation of Autosteer increased or decreased the crash rate. But when QCS focused on 5,714 vehicles whose data didn't suffer from these problems, it found that the activation of Autosteer actually increased crash rates by 59 percent.

arstechnica is definitely not what I would classify as FUD. And if you can explain to me how this report:
is FUD.  I'll offer the same wager to Rob to you.  $50 dollars to an org of your choice. Prove to me how this report can be classified as fear, uncertainty, or doubt. Give me some evidence. We are on a science-based forum after all.

Or maybe I don't understand your definition of FUD. Is FUD simply anything that casts Musk and Tesla in a negative light, even if it exposes lies and dishonesty? Any criticism, no matter the implications nor the quality of evidence, is simply cast aside as FUD. Why don't we just take it a step further and have Neven moderate any negative Musk discussion. Sticky this thread and let sigmetnow post in peace.

I just don't understand your obsession with Tesla, Oren. You're clearly a smart person, and have your head on straight about climate change. But your brain just switches off when anything Tesla/Musk related comes up .

I think you're missing the point zizek. There are hundreds of forum members who'd agree with you overall and who ignore this thread for good reasons. I did a scientific experiment by "testing the waters" to see what might show up only to find it poisoned beyond recovery. A waste of time iow.

All the facts data in the world will not make any difference to those who chose to argue the point with you. They don't care anyway and don't really think telsa will put a dint in agw/cc either nor make any real difference to anything else.   They just like to argue about issues that have nothing to do with telsa or evs. Sig seems to be stuck in the 2000s when reports about technical feasibility were more effective. Lost in the past iow. It used to be a barrier and now it's been swept away more or less leaving the really big important barriers more exposed. Rather than move on and address those unfortunately some here prefer to live in the past and keep up with old habits. Ever heard of big fish little pond? :)

Policy and solutions / Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« on: December 18, 2018, 11:43:21 AM »
Neither will exist?

The AI boom is happening all over the world, and it’s accelerating quickly

Yeah whatever. Hand waving is fun too.

But what does any of that have to do with  If not Capitalism... then What?  And, How?

Could we stick to the actual topic please?
If you hadn't deleted the other thread you started "Artificial Intelligence, Machine Learning, Technology & Ethics" you could've pointed Sig to that one?

Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: December 16, 2018, 10:04:27 PM »

Maybe it's not so much about changing the system, but more about changing oneself? Capitalism looks really quite like Samsara, driven by craving, hatred and ignorance, doesn't it? Just go meditating at the boneyard, the final goal for every single one of us, no matter what. Or meditate some years or decades into the climate future and you know what I'm talking about. There's no way to change the root of Samsara nor to get rid of it in total outside of yourself, there is only a chance to change oneself within resp liberate oneself from craving, hatred and ignorance, wich are the root causes of suffering. The rich are chained to craving, hatred and ignorance and they seem to enjoy Samsara for short term profit and high cost material pleasures, so... :)

" Lobbying, media, threats, violence, are all powerful tools the rich currently control, and will use them with great effectiveness against any threats to their position in society."

You name it. Therefore they will beat down any revolutionary activities, no matter what the cost may be as they are in deep fear about losing their samsaric privileges. I don't see any chance to change that, so I concentrate on my own liberation while teaching very few people around me about the overall situation. The rich don't want to be teached, they don't want to be saved, they prefer Samsara, craving, hatred, ignorance. You can't force anyone to be saved from that.

Policy and solutions / Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« on: December 04, 2018, 03:27:34 PM »
Connecting the Peace and Climate Dots 
The Sunrise CLIMATE Movement

Let’s face a second crucial fact: whether as separate issues–or as properly connected–our elites (and the major parties and corporate media who reflect their agendas) don’t give a flying frack about peace or climate. This fact is clearly illustrated by their deafening silence about the twin apocalyptic threats of nuclear war and climate Armageddon throughout the midterm election campaigns. A silence which Noam Chomsky rightly brands “moral depravity.”

When elites (and their political and media lackeys) wish to bar all policy action on an issue, they simply shroud the issue in silence. And blather endlessly about distractions to crowd the far more serious (but taboo) issue out of media space. That the peace and climate issues have been given the silence-and-distraction treatment is compelling evidence they are taboo issues our elites don’t want discussed, much less acted on.

What I hope I’ve established so far is that peace and climate are tightly interconnected life-or-death moral issues, both subject to political and media conspiracies of silence and distraction, that our ruling elites have overwhelming vested interests–contrary to humanity’s interests–in not acting upon. What follows is that peace and climate activists have an overwhelming vested interest in joining forces (and making a huge public stink) on these tightly linked life-or-death issues, now tabooed from mainstream political discourse.

As the real adults in the room, peace and climate activists must play regent to the willful, destructive, “child king” of our ruling elites, overruling their edict that everyone must overlook their unspeakably reckless acts of juvenile vandalism. While the planet literally burns.

The only important strategic question, for peace and climate activists desperately savvy enough to join forces, is whose issue should take the lead as the banner issue. I’ll argue here that it should be the climate issue, but framed not merely as a call for climate action but for climate justice, where world peace is rightly viewed as an absolutely critical precondition for addressing humanity’s climate emergency.

So my case here depends partly on arguing that climate justice–which includes peace–is the master moral and political narrative of our times. But even more importantly, it depends on highlighting a potent newsmaking force for climate action–and latently for climate justice and peace–already on the ground: the Sunrise climate movement.

Sunrise is a movement to stop climate change and create millions of good jobs in the process.

We're building an army of young people to make climate change an urgent priority across America, end the corrupting influence of fossil fuel executives on our politics, and elect leaders who stand up for the health and wellbeing of all people.

We are ordinary young people who are scared about what the climate crisis means for the people and places we love. We are gathering in classrooms, living rooms, and worship halls across the country. Everyone has a role to play. Public opinion is already with us - if we unite by the millions we can turn this into political power and reclaim our democracy.

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The politics / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: November 30, 2018, 03:33:18 PM »
Enough is enough. It's time the US starts bombing the hell out of Russia (and Iran and China while you're at it, drop them freedom bombs). Everyone agrees. Mattis, Pompeo, Bolton, the Atlantic Council, Lockheed, Clinton, Raytheon, Kristol, Boeing, Browder, Northtrop Gumman, Gisser, Dekker.

Policy and solutions / Re: Cars, cars and more cars. And trucks, and....
« on: August 17, 2018, 06:42:03 PM »
Musk said, “if you have anyone who can do a better job, please let me know. They can have the job. Is there someone who can do the job better? They can have the reins right now.”

I would like to nominate George. He won't commit securities fraud. He won't accuse anyone of being a pedophile. He won't give unhinged interviews. He won't make impossible promises. He won't nepotistically acquire failing companies. He will only improve employee moral. How do I get in contact with Tesla's board to let them know? Twitter the official channel?


Instead unclear numbers without a findable source (I never found any post from May 23, 2018, 11:11:22 ) you could look at papers like this one (attached above first image below). They usually try to give references and clear sources for readers to look up on, if they wish to do so.

I always try to provide links to support any data that I reference. One reason I do this is the article or paper goes into far more detail than I can do in a comment and I want to provide the people reading my comment an opportunity to dig into a topic they find interesting.

This fracking hydraulic fluid article which I linked to earlier is one such resource, very detailed and informative. If you want to know why you should be frightened by the boom in fracking in the U.S., this is a must read. I must warn you in advance, it is 168 pages long.

Please be clear. This boom in fracking is not because people are evil. It is because fracking natural gas is highly profitable and, as long as it remains so, fracking will continue to grow. This is why the efficient operations of the market (modern capitalism always seeks to maximize profit) will never get us where we need to go and, if it does, it will be far too late to save us.

The solution to this existential crisis lies outside of capitalism and any effort to implement the solution will always meet resistance from businesses and individuals. This is why I am pessimistic about our future. The science of AGW is sound. The technology needed to solve the problem is available. The will to embrace the social change needed is lacking. We will need to be staring death in the face before we react and it will be too late.

Great discussion, guys, but when quoting each other, please, remove everything from the quote that isn't relevant to your reply. My finger hurts from scrolling.
Great discussion, guys, but when quoting each other, please, remove everything from the quote that isn't relevant to your reply. My finger hurts from scrolling.
Great discussion, guys, but when quoting each other, please, remove everything from the quote that isn't relevant to your reply. My finger hurts from scrolling.
Great discussion, guys, but when quoting each other, please, remove everything from the quote that isn't relevant to your reply. My finger hurts from scrolling.
Great discussion, guys, but when quoting each other, please, remove everything from the quote that isn't relevant to your reply. My finger hurts from scrolling.
Great discussion, guys, but when quoting each other, please, remove everything from the quote that isn't relevant to your reply. My finger hurts from scrolling.

Great discussion, guys, but when quoting each other, please, remove everything from the quote that isn't relevant to your reply. My finger hurts from scrolling.

Re: Capitalism and Growth

There is support for capitalism without growth in models by Daly and others. In this article, Smith argues they are wrong:

"I will argue that Herman Daly, Tim Jackson, Andrew Simms and the rest of the anti-growth school of ecological economists are right that we need a new macro economic model that allows us to thrive without endless consumption. But they are mistaken to think that this can be a capitalist economic model."

Briefly: his argument is the laws of competition in the marketplace compels corporations to grow or die. 

"I maintain that the growth imperative is a virtual a law of nature, built into any conceivable capitalism"

He gives an example of stasis under capitalism:

"Since the fall of 2008, when the world economy suddenly ground to a halt, we've been treated to a preview of what a no-growth "stasis" economy would look like under capitalism. It's not a pretty sight: capital destruction, mass unemployment, devastated communities, growing poverty, foreclosures, homelessness and environmental considerations shunted aside in the all-out effort to restore growth. That is "stasis" under capitalism."

He attacks Daly's ideas:

"in Daly's model of a steady-state capitalism - the government's role is to set an upper limit on throughput consumption only and then get out of the way, leaving the market "alone" and in charge, why would the market act any differently than it does right now? "

A point he could have made but did not, was that corporates would treat the purchase and sale of legislators as any other market, resulting in regulatory capture and the state becoming an instrument of the largest capitalists. In short an oligarchy, as Stalin among many others foresaw.

Smith brings up Jevon's paradox:

"But Jevons lived, and we live, under capitalism, and, in this system, cheaper inputs give producers only greater incentive to "grow the market" by selling more product at lower prices to more consumers, and thus to push sales and profits still higher. So, ironically, the very capitalist efficiency and market organization of production that Daly celebrates just brings on the growth and further environmental destruction he so dreads."

Apparently Daly responded that he was not necessarily speaking of a capitalist economy:

" When this article first appeared in Real-World Economics Review No. 53, Professor Daly wrote a reply in issue 54 insisting that he was talking about a “steady-state economy” not a steady-state capitalist economy. I rejoined in issue 55 and explained why, in my view, he could only be talking about a capitalist economy. "

In the large i think the issue is not capitalism as it is preached, but capitalism as it is practised here and now. And I think Smith is correct, in that cpitalism as it is  presently consituted in the West is incapable of dealing with stasis. Perhap a utopian capitalism might do so, but we do not live in utopia.

Even if you do not agree, i recommend reading the article carefully. It is quite legible and well sourced and defines the issue with clarity.


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