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The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 23, 2020, 10:55:58 PM »
At the risk of oversimplifying things, Racism can be thought of as Prejudice + Power.
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Arctic sea ice / Re: "Stupid" Questions :o
« on: June 18, 2020, 11:37:12 PM »
The cherry picking here is in full swing, and the purported science not established as far as I can see, but since this is the stupid questions thread we have derailed this enough. I will attempt (tomorrow) to find another thread to move this weird conversation to.
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Policy and solutions / Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« on: June 14, 2020, 10:04:12 PM »
Maybe we should recognize the we are one individual but also one individual species on just one planet.
If you look at our current situation rationally we might be better of working to getting to get everybody to a better level. Not spend tons of money on weapons of destruction.
This is hard for individuals to see and there are always other lures like making big money as some lobbyist or way too much troubes to think about that.
An individual wealth cap is just a mere start.
Maybe rethink corporations. Think of them as organisms. As we configured them now they tend to control us. That is wrong.
Add other rules. 20 fold spread on salaries in companies, 20 fold spread max in society. 20 fold across the planet. You can pick lower numbers if you want to.
It would make things more fair and basically it is just a financial variant on War is a Racket which argues that the rich and powerful would be more wary if they send their sons to war too.
One problem is that people do not really like equality. So the relatively poor are more likely to vote against increases for the really poor etc. Of course this comes from our history of outcompeting eachother but maybe we should recognize our true role.
We dominate this planet.
It is also our only home for a while. Would you fill your home with plastics and toxic gasses?
Stoke up a fire that threatens to burn it down?
We are missing a paradgm shift.
The economics is about renters vs owners but with respect to earth we are neither.
Now go figure that out.
If you look at our current situation rationally we might be better of working to getting to get everybody to a better level. Not spend tons of money on weapons of destruction.
This is hard for individuals to see and there are always other lures like making big money as some lobbyist or way too much troubes to think about that.
An individual wealth cap is just a mere start.
Maybe rethink corporations. Think of them as organisms. As we configured them now they tend to control us. That is wrong.
Add other rules. 20 fold spread on salaries in companies, 20 fold spread max in society. 20 fold across the planet. You can pick lower numbers if you want to.
It would make things more fair and basically it is just a financial variant on War is a Racket which argues that the rich and powerful would be more wary if they send their sons to war too.
One problem is that people do not really like equality. So the relatively poor are more likely to vote against increases for the really poor etc. Of course this comes from our history of outcompeting eachother but maybe we should recognize our true role.
We dominate this planet.
It is also our only home for a while. Would you fill your home with plastics and toxic gasses?
Stoke up a fire that threatens to burn it down?
We are missing a paradgm shift.
The economics is about renters vs owners but with respect to earth we are neither.
Now go figure that out.
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: June 08, 2020, 04:56:37 AM »
The recent discussion here gives me the feeling you still have not understood the problem at hand, but I am tired of further explanations. Be warned, the snipping scissors have been sharpened and I will not tolerate further disruptions to the community.
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: June 08, 2020, 04:50:34 AM »
Thank you Phoenix for putting me in my place.
I did not realize that you had the superior intellect of Albert Einstein.
I will take my mediocre mind to my closet now and go sulk.
I did not realize that you had the superior intellect of Albert Einstein.
I will take my mediocre mind to my closet now and go sulk.
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Consequences / Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« on: June 08, 2020, 03:57:34 AM »
Hey Freegrass, I think you are making the same sort of mistake:
'Holland' does not exist. I am from the Netherlands and I'm Frisian and don't like being called from 'Holland'.
Sort of the same thing as you have with 'Dutch' in stead of Netherlandic, which is the correct word I use and thank you for using that also
.
Here in the north of the Netherlands this year has seen many changes to our weather systems. Especially the wind speed and general wind-direction have changed. Treetops swinging was something that happened occasionally when there were high winds, but this year there are high winds and swinging treetops every week on average. And where the direction was mostly south-western, nowadays it is dominated by winds coming from the north.
I sit in the woods every day and am surprised that most other people don't notice changes.
Whilst in a record drought year, the moment there's a bit of rain the people start complaining and wishing for nice weather, which means sunshine and comfortable temperatures.
Table below taken from: https://weerstatistieken.nl/
We also have had a record(?) number of sunshine hours this year. The middle column states "Zonuren (som)" which means "Sunshine hours cumulative".
What I can't explain is the third column which states "Neerslag (som)" = "Precipitation cumulative". Being in a record drought year according to our met-office KNMI, there are many years listed with lower totals.
Can someone explain that?
(It could have something to do with this specific weather station "De Bilt" which is located in the center of the Netherlands. Perhaps averaging over all weather stations changes this cumulative precipitation considerably)
'Holland' does not exist. I am from the Netherlands and I'm Frisian and don't like being called from 'Holland'.
Sort of the same thing as you have with 'Dutch' in stead of Netherlandic, which is the correct word I use and thank you for using that also
.Here in the north of the Netherlands this year has seen many changes to our weather systems. Especially the wind speed and general wind-direction have changed. Treetops swinging was something that happened occasionally when there were high winds, but this year there are high winds and swinging treetops every week on average. And where the direction was mostly south-western, nowadays it is dominated by winds coming from the north.
I sit in the woods every day and am surprised that most other people don't notice changes.
Whilst in a record drought year, the moment there's a bit of rain the people start complaining and wishing for nice weather, which means sunshine and comfortable temperatures.
Table below taken from: https://weerstatistieken.nl/
We also have had a record(?) number of sunshine hours this year. The middle column states "Zonuren (som)" which means "Sunshine hours cumulative".
What I can't explain is the third column which states "Neerslag (som)" = "Precipitation cumulative". Being in a record drought year according to our met-office KNMI, there are many years listed with lower totals.
Can someone explain that?
(It could have something to do with this specific weather station "De Bilt" which is located in the center of the Netherlands. Perhaps averaging over all weather stations changes this cumulative precipitation considerably)
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Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: June 05, 2020, 11:09:48 PM »
America's Finest News Source: unexpected death, grief and loss
"they had left their elderly relative Beverly Foley to die in a nursing home, but not like this. "
"we figured we’d leave her there and forget about her until she died, obviously"
"I thought I’d at least see her one more time, next year, on her birthday."
"heartbroken that they were legally not allowed to attend the funeral that most of them would have skipped."
https://local.theonion.com/family-left-elderly-grandmother-to-die-in-nursing-home-1843922346
sidd
"they had left their elderly relative Beverly Foley to die in a nursing home, but not like this. "
"we figured we’d leave her there and forget about her until she died, obviously"
"I thought I’d at least see her one more time, next year, on her birthday."
"heartbroken that they were legally not allowed to attend the funeral that most of them would have skipped."
https://local.theonion.com/family-left-elderly-grandmother-to-die-in-nursing-home-1843922346
sidd
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The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 02, 2020, 12:38:16 AM »
Collateral Damage: One Dead In Louisville After Police and National Guard 'Return Fire' On Crowd
https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/5308229002
A man was shot dead in Louisville after police officers and the Kentucky National Guard “returned fire” while clearing a large crowd early Monday.
Shell casings from Police and NG weapons fire
Louisville Metro Police Chief Steve Conrad said in a statement that at around 12:15 a.m. his officers and the national guard were sent to a parking lot to break up a crowd.
“Officers and soldiers began to clear the lot and at some point were shot at,” Conrad said in a statement. “Both LMPD and national guard members returned fire, we have one man dead at scene”
David McAtee, who turned his talent for food into a popular West End eatery, was shot and killed by law enforcement officers early Monday morning.
McAtee, 53, operated a barbecue business at one of the West End's most popular corners, especially on the weekends.
McAtee's barbecue business is next to the Dino's Food Mart parking lot where the shooting took place around 12:15 a.m. Monday.
“I’ve been doing this for about 30 years, but I’ve been here for two," he told West of Ninth, a photo blog by Walt and Marshae Smith, in a February interview. "This location is the one of the busiest locations in west Louisville. I always wanted to be in this spot, and when the opportunity came, I took it."
McAtee said he hoped to one day buy the lot at 26th and Broadway, and build a brick-and-mortar restaurant.
"I gotta start somewhere, and this is where I’m going to start," he said in February. "It might take another year or two to get to where I’m going, but I’m going to get there."
Those who spoke with The Courier Journal said they knew the chef as someone who would cook at several community events across the area's nine neighborhoods.
"He was one of the ones who would donate all his time and all his food; everybody could just come up and take it and he wouldn't charge because it was for the neighborhood."
https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/5308229002
A man was shot dead in Louisville after police officers and the Kentucky National Guard “returned fire” while clearing a large crowd early Monday.
Shell casings from Police and NG weapons fire
Louisville Metro Police Chief Steve Conrad said in a statement that at around 12:15 a.m. his officers and the national guard were sent to a parking lot to break up a crowd.
“Officers and soldiers began to clear the lot and at some point were shot at,” Conrad said in a statement. “Both LMPD and national guard members returned fire, we have one man dead at scene”
David McAtee, who turned his talent for food into a popular West End eatery, was shot and killed by law enforcement officers early Monday morning.
McAtee, 53, operated a barbecue business at one of the West End's most popular corners, especially on the weekends.
McAtee's barbecue business is next to the Dino's Food Mart parking lot where the shooting took place around 12:15 a.m. Monday.
“I’ve been doing this for about 30 years, but I’ve been here for two," he told West of Ninth, a photo blog by Walt and Marshae Smith, in a February interview. "This location is the one of the busiest locations in west Louisville. I always wanted to be in this spot, and when the opportunity came, I took it."
McAtee said he hoped to one day buy the lot at 26th and Broadway, and build a brick-and-mortar restaurant.
"I gotta start somewhere, and this is where I’m going to start," he said in February. "It might take another year or two to get to where I’m going, but I’m going to get there."
Those who spoke with The Courier Journal said they knew the chef as someone who would cook at several community events across the area's nine neighborhoods.
"He was one of the ones who would donate all his time and all his food; everybody could just come up and take it and he wouldn't charge because it was for the neighborhood."
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Consequences / Re: Places becoming less livable
« on: May 25, 2020, 08:49:29 PM »
How do you define overpopulation anyway? In nature it is the carrying capacity of the system. With humans this is different.
It is a developmental problem. Way back in the nineties aardrijkskunde/geography we had two theories. One said that areas would progress from simple production to more complicated processes. The other was the center periphery theory were the centre controls the periphery and that is more like the world we ended up with. Basically we never stopped exploiting Africa. See Moneyland for some examples.
Subsaharan africa does not follow the general trend but they never had reliable countries either so then you are back to family.
The african overpopulation is basically eurocentric BS. We just got there first and killed most of our forests long ago.
This is the 21st century. We have one planet and we are all one. It is disingenious to worry about african overpopulation while american mining operations keep spewing methane (and russia and SA etc).
It is a developmental problem. Way back in the nineties aardrijkskunde/geography we had two theories. One said that areas would progress from simple production to more complicated processes. The other was the center periphery theory were the centre controls the periphery and that is more like the world we ended up with. Basically we never stopped exploiting Africa. See Moneyland for some examples.
Subsaharan africa does not follow the general trend but they never had reliable countries either so then you are back to family.
The african overpopulation is basically eurocentric BS. We just got there first and killed most of our forests long ago.
This is the 21st century. We have one planet and we are all one. It is disingenious to worry about african overpopulation while american mining operations keep spewing methane (and russia and SA etc).
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 19, 2020, 07:31:05 AM »To the mass murderers in charge
<snip>
That is what we are facing.
Thank you for that great post Archimid! Very good analysis and observations imo.
I completely agree.
Re: Whereabouts of Terry mentioned upthread
I have PMed him a couple of times and then I sent an email on 14 May. He is not quick with answering but he sent me a PM on 29 April describing the horrors of his breathing problems. That was a harrowing reading. I am worried since. Luckily he is not alone and wrote that Carole is doing fine.
I wish that he is fighting a disease right now and will prevail.
Hang in there Terry, we love you.
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Policy and solutions / Re: Becoming Vegan
« on: May 18, 2020, 03:20:25 PM »
What makes jackfruit unique from other fruits is its protein content. It provides more than 3 grams of protein per cup, compared to 0–1 grams in other similar types of fruit, such as apples and mangoes.
When the fruit is ripe, it’s super sweet. But the unripe fruit has not converted starch into sugar and has a more neutral, less sweet taste
When the fruit is ripe, it’s super sweet. But the unripe fruit has not converted starch into sugar and has a more neutral, less sweet taste
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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: May 18, 2020, 04:36:17 AM »from my highschool class mate:Wow. I'm in awe.
prince
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 17, 2020, 07:52:24 PM »
Kinda like saying 'Typhoid Mary' had herd immunity
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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: May 16, 2020, 11:30:10 AM »
Lovely Dead Kennedys cover, thx wili!
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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: May 15, 2020, 08:48:40 PM »
And of course, Nouvell Vuage makes me remember Guns Of Brixton which ultimately brings us to The Clash.
The Clash - Jimmy Jazz
Punx not dead!
The Clash - Jimmy Jazz
Punx not dead!
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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: May 15, 2020, 08:42:03 PM »
Wili, Nouvelle Vague is one of my favorite bands! \o/
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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: May 15, 2020, 01:10:10 PM »
A romantic at heart, here's another one of my favorite love songs.
Harvest Moon - Neil Young (1992)
Harvest Moon - Neil Young (1992)
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The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: April 24, 2020, 07:13:49 PM »
I 'never' post here (maybe once or twice ever) and 'never' read (sorry about that), but this is where what I wrote yesterday belongs (I guess):
When Alice and I were married just one year, and our kids were 11-15 years old, they (Alice and the kids) got a kitten. This kitten was playful, and loved to climb to the ceiling on the textured English wall paper, and to shoot up at your face if you looked down into the dark corner between sofa and wall (you’d best jerk your head out of the way…) when he went into that particular hiding place. Because of these antics, we named him Houdi, after Houdini.
I’ve never liked cats much. They would do things like die on you, like get run over and things like that. I’d even say, “I hate cats,” while gently petting one. Because Houdi was cute, I declared Houdi was an elephant; problem solved. As Alice and the kids got the cat, and promised to care for him, life was easy peasy.
Houdi once brought a very young (live) duckling into the house. And once when I went into the bathroom he was resting on top of the door which had been ajar.
Then there was the freshly half eaten rat I found one early morning in the living room where I was learning how to weight train. Hey, that’s what cats are for, right? After we moved into the country, Houdi loved to chase snakes. I once ran into knee-high poison ivy (in shorts) to separate him from a black racer that lived here first (my opinion, not Houdi’s). Then there was the partly eaten pygmy rattle snake next to our front steps. Then the mature (live) water moccasin, prepared to strike, with Houdi a short 3 feet away trying to figure out how to get this snake, and me (when I came upon the scene) trying to figure out how to separate the two without me becoming the victim. (I last saw the snake [it having traveled in a 30 gal. trash can] two [not far enough] miles down the road chasing me, but that’s another story.)
In recent years Houdi would go for walks around the house and always stop at the bird bath and take a drink or two. Sometimes he’d make a bee-line to the bird bath and I had to run to check if it needed cleaning before he got there. Afterwards, he’d often walk some, than race me back to the house, always winning. Sometimes, especially in recent months, he’d have a drink, walk around the 14” tall pedestal - a little more than once around - get a drink, walk around it again - a little more than once around - and have a third drink, making it so he had tasted the water from 3 or 4 ‘corners’ of the round glazed dish. More recently he would just go to the birdbath, drink, then walk back to the front door.
His last outdoor drink was the day before yesterday. I actually carried him to the birdbath (the previous outing he didn’t walk but 5 feet from the porch steps) where he got a single drink and walked back home; as he did sometimes, he took a slight detour past Alice’s parked car.
He has liked getting brushed with a flea comb by Alice or me (whether he had fleas or not, and he almost never had fleas this past year), like forever, and would walk into the bathroom (where he’d get brushed) when he wanted a brushing. He stopped leaping up to the counter a few years ago, and a couple years ago stopped using the lid-down toilet as an intermediate step. I brushed him three times yesterday.
We celebrated Houdi’s 22 birthday a week ago.
Houdi wasn’t only a delight. In recent years he learned that he could get what he wanted by complaining, loudly. His meow, previously almost nonexistent, became loud and piercing and I often didn’t need a 6 a.m. alarm - he liked his breakfast and morning brushing. He also demanded outside walks. He didn’t often get an outside walk at night/early morning, but he got one a couple nights ago.
He has suffered from slowly developing kidney failure and other things for years, and had a special diet (two types of fancy - one prescription - cat food blended together which I did about once every 5 days for some 5 years) and various medications regularly applied (He loved cat-lax and having heart medicine rubbed in his ears.), but a few days ago it seemed he was in more pain and wasn’t getting relief. He started crying or whimpering, and mostly stopped complaining. He would eat only warmed food, and not much of it. The vet today confirmed he was getting worse. We decided against more interventions. Because of Covid-19 precautions, we weren’t with Houdi while receiving life-ending injections, but we held him before each one, and he fell asleep in Alice’s arms. I buried him next to his birdbath this afternoon. We had intermittent heavy showers while I dug, and since, but a magnolia tree shielded me from the rain. God was crying and I was crying, and Alice watched from the laundry.
Alice has her own stories, and dearly loved Houdi. They’ve been almost constant companions (like 23 hours per day) for over three years.
Rest in peace, you old elephant, Houdi. I’ll miss you dearly. I cleaned and refilled the birdbath for you, too.
Tor
When Alice and I were married just one year, and our kids were 11-15 years old, they (Alice and the kids) got a kitten. This kitten was playful, and loved to climb to the ceiling on the textured English wall paper, and to shoot up at your face if you looked down into the dark corner between sofa and wall (you’d best jerk your head out of the way…) when he went into that particular hiding place. Because of these antics, we named him Houdi, after Houdini.
I’ve never liked cats much. They would do things like die on you, like get run over and things like that. I’d even say, “I hate cats,” while gently petting one. Because Houdi was cute, I declared Houdi was an elephant; problem solved. As Alice and the kids got the cat, and promised to care for him, life was easy peasy.
Houdi once brought a very young (live) duckling into the house. And once when I went into the bathroom he was resting on top of the door which had been ajar.
Then there was the freshly half eaten rat I found one early morning in the living room where I was learning how to weight train. Hey, that’s what cats are for, right? After we moved into the country, Houdi loved to chase snakes. I once ran into knee-high poison ivy (in shorts) to separate him from a black racer that lived here first (my opinion, not Houdi’s). Then there was the partly eaten pygmy rattle snake next to our front steps. Then the mature (live) water moccasin, prepared to strike, with Houdi a short 3 feet away trying to figure out how to get this snake, and me (when I came upon the scene) trying to figure out how to separate the two without me becoming the victim. (I last saw the snake [it having traveled in a 30 gal. trash can] two [not far enough] miles down the road chasing me, but that’s another story.)
In recent years Houdi would go for walks around the house and always stop at the bird bath and take a drink or two. Sometimes he’d make a bee-line to the bird bath and I had to run to check if it needed cleaning before he got there. Afterwards, he’d often walk some, than race me back to the house, always winning. Sometimes, especially in recent months, he’d have a drink, walk around the 14” tall pedestal - a little more than once around - get a drink, walk around it again - a little more than once around - and have a third drink, making it so he had tasted the water from 3 or 4 ‘corners’ of the round glazed dish. More recently he would just go to the birdbath, drink, then walk back to the front door.
His last outdoor drink was the day before yesterday. I actually carried him to the birdbath (the previous outing he didn’t walk but 5 feet from the porch steps) where he got a single drink and walked back home; as he did sometimes, he took a slight detour past Alice’s parked car.
He has liked getting brushed with a flea comb by Alice or me (whether he had fleas or not, and he almost never had fleas this past year), like forever, and would walk into the bathroom (where he’d get brushed) when he wanted a brushing. He stopped leaping up to the counter a few years ago, and a couple years ago stopped using the lid-down toilet as an intermediate step. I brushed him three times yesterday.
We celebrated Houdi’s 22 birthday a week ago.
Houdi wasn’t only a delight. In recent years he learned that he could get what he wanted by complaining, loudly. His meow, previously almost nonexistent, became loud and piercing and I often didn’t need a 6 a.m. alarm - he liked his breakfast and morning brushing. He also demanded outside walks. He didn’t often get an outside walk at night/early morning, but he got one a couple nights ago.
He has suffered from slowly developing kidney failure and other things for years, and had a special diet (two types of fancy - one prescription - cat food blended together which I did about once every 5 days for some 5 years) and various medications regularly applied (He loved cat-lax and having heart medicine rubbed in his ears.), but a few days ago it seemed he was in more pain and wasn’t getting relief. He started crying or whimpering, and mostly stopped complaining. He would eat only warmed food, and not much of it. The vet today confirmed he was getting worse. We decided against more interventions. Because of Covid-19 precautions, we weren’t with Houdi while receiving life-ending injections, but we held him before each one, and he fell asleep in Alice’s arms. I buried him next to his birdbath this afternoon. We had intermittent heavy showers while I dug, and since, but a magnolia tree shielded me from the rain. God was crying and I was crying, and Alice watched from the laundry.
Alice has her own stories, and dearly loved Houdi. They’ve been almost constant companions (like 23 hours per day) for over three years.
Rest in peace, you old elephant, Houdi. I’ll miss you dearly. I cleaned and refilled the birdbath for you, too.
Tor
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 22, 2020, 09:36:53 PM »Quote
However, Neven is correct in that a zombie apocalypse did not occur - even in Italy, and even if the deaths are under-reported by 30%.
A zombie apocalypse didn't occur because the action was taken to stop it. When the action stops the apocalypse will resume.
Thousands of people died unnecessary and painful deaths and thousands more will die unless further action is taken. Earlier action would have saved thousands of lives.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 23, 2020, 01:37:27 PM »
As the crisis worsens and doctors have to pick who lives and dies, surely one of the criteria will be age.... meaning young people will get more critical care than older people which will skew the death stats by reducing deaths from young people to lower and older death rates will increase.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 16, 2020, 03:38:14 AM »Same here, Bruce. I wish you all the best.
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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: March 12, 2020, 02:35:40 AM »Sweet Blindness - The 5th Dimension
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 10, 2020, 03:44:55 PM »
If the US gets back to science, I could finally win an ASIF poll. If the US keeps "toughing it out" then once more I get the ASIF poll wrong.
I really want to get this one right.
I really want to get this one right.
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Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 09, 2020, 03:18:43 PM »Yup, crazy sh!t goin' down:QuoteIt is the most crude price-bearish combination since the early 1930s. The price collapse has just begun
https://business.financialpost.com/investing/shockwave-of-oil-price-crash-slams-markets-sending-stocks-around-the-world-plummetingQuoteItaly’s FTSE MIB lost more than a tenth of its value ...
https://www.ft.com/content/8273a32a-61e4-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68QuoteJoachim Fels, global economic adviser at US asset manager Pimco, said a recession in the US and the eurozone in the first half of the year was now “a distinct possibility” and that Japan was “very likely” already in one.
Nearly all the stock market gains since Trump became president have been wiped out...they were all an illusion
Didn't take a genius to see how over inflated the market was. Just wait until major supply chains get ruptured. A bottleneck has already appeared and if things continue like this, we will most likely see the DJI fall below 20,000.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 08, 2020, 09:20:24 PM »Really? I’d say I’m better informed than most people. I do work in logistics after allWhy the toilet paper hoarding? I doubt world will run out of paper because of the virus
This comment suggests a remarkable lack of knowledge regarding how things appear on your supermarket shelf.
My point is toilet paper is not essential. Even in the first world people can survive without it so if you plan to hoard then hoard something necessary.
Btw Chinese industry is getting back on its feet. Plenty of new bookings coming in for sailings from mid March onwards.
So you go from "the world will not run out of paper" to "toilet paper is not essential". For me TP is essential as is soap.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 08, 2020, 09:15:17 PM »
I didn't find any precise information, but it seems that paper is used in the toilets since around 1850.
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The politics / Re: The Koch Watch Thread
« on: February 29, 2020, 07:56:50 PM »
Jane Mayer, "Dark Money"
The influence of extreme libertarians such as the Koch brothers, their ideas about taxation and government regulation and how they furthered an agenda that advanced their own interests at the expense of meaningful economic, environmental, and labor reform.
The influence of extreme libertarians such as the Koch brothers, their ideas about taxation and government regulation and how they furthered an agenda that advanced their own interests at the expense of meaningful economic, environmental, and labor reform.
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: February 29, 2020, 12:02:20 AM »
If you have this problem again you can go to Neven’s other blog, Arctic Sea ice Blog, and get current update on status of the ASIF.
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: February 28, 2020, 11:48:01 PM »
I had withdrawal symptoms 
and could not think of any way to find out if it was just me or every one.
and could not think of any way to find out if it was just me or every one.32
Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: February 25, 2020, 05:12:03 PM »
We humans tend to our sick and if they can’t go to the hospital because there are no more hospital beds we keep them at home. If death is close for a family member custom says we need to visit them and say our goodbyes . For a highly communicable disease whole families can become fatalities.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/18/coronavirus-kills-chinese-film-director-family-wuhan-covid-19
Quarantine in tight quarters , like your apartment , a hospital ward, or a ship cabin is not how a quarantine should be implemented. If I were to design a quarantine procedure it would be to isolate each individual , in tents if necessary. What masks, suits, gloves and face masks are available should be used by those who carry food, or deal with hygiene for those stricken . The care givers should have first access to protective gear.
Food can be bought ahead of time and if you don’t have a couple months of dry goods stored away by now you are either in denial or you expect someone else to carry you through the quarantines that will inevitably happen. Being a positive thinker is fine until it gets you killed.
Here is some quality film from inside Wuhan. Nothing shocking. There is ,near the end of the film, a man singing from his apartment window. It is worth your time to watch.
https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1005196/film-crew-documents-life-in-wuhan-amid-covid-19-epidemic
Over one billion
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/18/coronavirus-kills-chinese-film-director-family-wuhan-covid-19
Quarantine in tight quarters , like your apartment , a hospital ward, or a ship cabin is not how a quarantine should be implemented. If I were to design a quarantine procedure it would be to isolate each individual , in tents if necessary. What masks, suits, gloves and face masks are available should be used by those who carry food, or deal with hygiene for those stricken . The care givers should have first access to protective gear.
Food can be bought ahead of time and if you don’t have a couple months of dry goods stored away by now you are either in denial or you expect someone else to carry you through the quarantines that will inevitably happen. Being a positive thinker is fine until it gets you killed.
Here is some quality film from inside Wuhan. Nothing shocking. There is ,near the end of the film, a man singing from his apartment window. It is worth your time to watch.
https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1005196/film-crew-documents-life-in-wuhan-amid-covid-19-epidemic
Over one billion
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The politics / Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« on: February 24, 2020, 01:43:19 PM »
The reason why education is expensive and the reason why education is important!
Joshua Potash U.S DemSoc
Quote
"One of the scariest things
about America is that there
are millions of people who
are more scared by the
idea of socialism than
the idea of dictatorship."
Joshua Potash U.S DemSoc
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Policy and solutions / Re: Extinction Rebellion
« on: February 19, 2020, 08:40:26 PM »
Again, a superlike would be nice to have...
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Policy and solutions / Re: Extinction Rebellion
« on: February 19, 2020, 06:34:29 PM »
Last two posts.
Iain and NeilT, sorry, but I think that's dung from a male cow.
I'm not taking the effort now to give any arguments. Maybe later in another thread.
Iain and NeilT, sorry, but I think that's dung from a male cow.
I'm not taking the effort now to give any arguments. Maybe later in another thread.
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The rest / Re: Archaeology/Paleontology news
« on: December 28, 2019, 02:50:58 AM »
Archaeologists Discover Remains of Vast Mayan Palace in Mexico
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/27/archaeologists-discover-remains-of-vast-mayan-palace
Archaeologists in Mexico have uncovered the remains of a vast Mayan palace over 1,000 years old in an ancient city about 100 miles west of the tourist hotspot of Cancún.
The building in Kulubá is 55 metres long, 15 metres wide and six metres high, and appears to have been made up of six rooms, said Mexico’s National Institute of Anthropology and History.
It is part of a larger complex that also includes two residential rooms, an altar and a large round oven. Archaeologists have also uncovered remains from a burial site, and hope forensic analysis of the bones could provide more clues about Kulubá’s Mayan inhabitants.
The palace was in use during two overlapping eras of Mayan civilisation, in the late classical period between AD600 and AD900, and the terminal classical between AD850 and AD1050, said Alfredo Barrera Rubio, one of the lead archaeologists at the site.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/27/archaeologists-discover-remains-of-vast-mayan-palace
Archaeologists in Mexico have uncovered the remains of a vast Mayan palace over 1,000 years old in an ancient city about 100 miles west of the tourist hotspot of Cancún.
The building in Kulubá is 55 metres long, 15 metres wide and six metres high, and appears to have been made up of six rooms, said Mexico’s National Institute of Anthropology and History.
It is part of a larger complex that also includes two residential rooms, an altar and a large round oven. Archaeologists have also uncovered remains from a burial site, and hope forensic analysis of the bones could provide more clues about Kulubá’s Mayan inhabitants.
The palace was in use during two overlapping eras of Mayan civilisation, in the late classical period between AD600 and AD900, and the terminal classical between AD850 and AD1050, said Alfredo Barrera Rubio, one of the lead archaeologists at the site.
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The rest / Re: CLIMATE STATE USCREEN Dedicated Climate Video Streaming Platform
« on: December 27, 2019, 09:22:38 PM »
So while this was planned as a YouTube alternative, the monthly upkeep turned out too expensive. Thus, there is now the Vimeo CLIMATE STATE channel https://vimeo.com/climatestate
However, YouTube remains a target platform, due to lack of competive features at alternative video streaming platforms.
Latest video
On VIMEO you will find content no longer available on YouTube, same with the video archive on Bitchute https://www.bitchute.com/channel/ClimateState/
However, YouTube remains a target platform, due to lack of competive features at alternative video streaming platforms.
Latest video
On VIMEO you will find content no longer available on YouTube, same with the video archive on Bitchute https://www.bitchute.com/channel/ClimateState/
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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: December 25, 2019, 04:37:19 PM »
Yeah, that happened, Wili. 
Think about it. Why would he say such a thing? For us, it's bogus, right?
I think for him, this makes perfect sense. In his antisemitic mind, all Jews are greedy. And he knows for a fact, that he is way more greedy then them.
Makes sense this way, no?
Think about it. Why would he say such a thing? For us, it's bogus, right?
I think for him, this makes perfect sense. In his antisemitic mind, all Jews are greedy. And he knows for a fact, that he is way more greedy then them.
Makes sense this way, no?
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Arctic sea ice / Re: "Stupid" Questions :o
« on: December 08, 2019, 01:06:07 PM »If I want to know which countries are the happiest/best to live in I do not need to look at GDp or any other data, just one:
Where do people emigrate to and where do they emigrate from?
So if people hate living there, but the money is good, this is a sign of happiness?
(Middle East may well be better example of this. However it suggests you need more than one piece of data.)
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Arctic sea ice / Re: "Stupid" Questions :o
« on: December 05, 2019, 01:43:52 AM »So all in all I'm not at all convinced that we are looking at any existential threat to civilisation. I'm actually pretty optimistic that wars and famines can be avoided even in a worst-case AGW situation, and I'm absolutely convinced that humanity will not be able to do anything purposeful to avoid what is going to happen.
So, in summary, we can do nothing about AGW and everything will be just fine.
I'm not going to block you but I am certainly going to skip over anything you write from now on.
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Science / Re: 2019 Mauna Loa CO2 levels
« on: November 29, 2019, 10:25:18 AM »Quote
At the same time, the major stories out now breathlessly talk about how CO2 levels now exceed any time in human history going back 3-5 million years. They utterly miss the fact that under current or even under vastly reduced growth rates, the “current” atmospheric CO2 levels will race above that short term blip in CO2 level 3 million years ago and rise to levels not seen in over 25 million years.Think of a once in three million year weather event.
Then consider that as a new normal.
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Arctic sea ice / Re: "Stupid" Questions :o
« on: November 28, 2019, 02:02:59 AM »
https://skepticalscience.com/saturated-co2-effect.htm
basic, intermediate and advanced tabs depending on audience.
https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
https://skepticalscience.com/co2-levels-airborne-fraction-increasing.htm
https://skepticalscience.com/CRU-tampered-temperature-data.htm
(perhaps not quite the concern raised but....)
https://skepticalscience.com/urban-heat-island-effect.htm
It might be possible to add something along the lines of:
All these common myths are so often debunked that someone felt the need to create website containing the rebuttals so it can just be referred to rather than working out how to state the rebuttals each time. If all 5 listed items are pretty well dealt with, this might imply something about the denialists drifting from one rebutted myth to another and never managing to come up with anything that hasn't been debunked.
basic, intermediate and advanced tabs depending on audience.
https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
https://skepticalscience.com/co2-levels-airborne-fraction-increasing.htm
https://skepticalscience.com/CRU-tampered-temperature-data.htm
(perhaps not quite the concern raised but....)
https://skepticalscience.com/urban-heat-island-effect.htm
It might be possible to add something along the lines of:
All these common myths are so often debunked that someone felt the need to create website containing the rebuttals so it can just be referred to rather than working out how to state the rebuttals each time. If all 5 listed items are pretty well dealt with, this might imply something about the denialists drifting from one rebutted myth to another and never managing to come up with anything that hasn't been debunked.
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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: October 06, 2019, 12:04:44 AM »
Terry - whose name, using a Paraguayan keyboard, would be Perry. 
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The politics / Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« on: October 04, 2019, 12:01:27 PM »
I wish it weren't so, but Sanders really is America's best hope for positive change. If he isn't elected president, the country will go nowhere (except probably further downhill).
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Consequences / Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« on: October 03, 2019, 11:03:25 PM »
^^
Gerontocrat, it seems as though we've run out of time to do much more than hunker down and face what's coming.
I haven't been overly impressed by our progress to date - your charts made things all too clear. We've had opportunities to cooperate but found more profit in competition. We could have legislated against mining exporting, or shipping coal, but we relied on "market forces" - forces totally divorced from any thought of survival.
Plans for initiating mitigation that begin decades after the crisis weren't just useless, they froze out other schemes that could have been initiated soon enough to have had some effect.
Nuclear power has always had it's dangers. Germany's sudden pull back necessitated increasing her reliance on coal, oil, and gas - then America slowed Germany's access to relatively clean Russian gas in hopes of replacing it with much dirtier LNG shipped across an ocean. Poland welcomed her transition to home grown coal - while the EU did nothing, even as the EU chides others for ignoring their Paris Accord commitments.
I'm not forgetting my own heavily hypocritical Canada. We recognized the necessity, most even had some sense of the urgency. We voted out the deniers, then our new "progressive" government opted to shore up the dirtiest oil producing scheme on the planet. We're a rich country that wouldn't have been brought to ruin by shutting down the tar sands, but we hadn't the political will to do the one meaningful thing we could have done as a country.
Russia isn't the enemy & neither is China. This isn't an attack by "others", this is a suicide pact that our representatives, and theirs, signed in all of our names.
Terry
Gerontocrat, it seems as though we've run out of time to do much more than hunker down and face what's coming.
I haven't been overly impressed by our progress to date - your charts made things all too clear. We've had opportunities to cooperate but found more profit in competition. We could have legislated against mining exporting, or shipping coal, but we relied on "market forces" - forces totally divorced from any thought of survival.
Plans for initiating mitigation that begin decades after the crisis weren't just useless, they froze out other schemes that could have been initiated soon enough to have had some effect.
Nuclear power has always had it's dangers. Germany's sudden pull back necessitated increasing her reliance on coal, oil, and gas - then America slowed Germany's access to relatively clean Russian gas in hopes of replacing it with much dirtier LNG shipped across an ocean. Poland welcomed her transition to home grown coal - while the EU did nothing, even as the EU chides others for ignoring their Paris Accord commitments.
I'm not forgetting my own heavily hypocritical Canada. We recognized the necessity, most even had some sense of the urgency. We voted out the deniers, then our new "progressive" government opted to shore up the dirtiest oil producing scheme on the planet. We're a rich country that wouldn't have been brought to ruin by shutting down the tar sands, but we hadn't the political will to do the one meaningful thing we could have done as a country.
Russia isn't the enemy & neither is China. This isn't an attack by "others", this is a suicide pact that our representatives, and theirs, signed in all of our names.
Terry
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The rest / Re: Peak Oil and Climate Change
« on: October 03, 2019, 04:27:07 AM »
A. Lots of self-admiration on the blog. Very tiring to read.
B. Taking turns shooting at climate change activism, renewable energy, and nuclear energy, although making sure to acknowledge that AGW is "a real and serious issue". Strongly smelled of disguised denialism.
C. A whole blog post about the catastrophe of Peak Oil yet not a single mention of the remote possibility that electricity could be an alternative to oil, or of the very existence of Battery Electric Vehicles (even managed to take a potshot at Elon Musk without mentioning EVs).
D. Freely mixing energy consumption and oil consumption, with not a single mention of natural gas as a possible alternative to oil for some uses.
I am deeply unimpressed. While the blogger seems to have the economic cycle of oil prices and production analyzed and understood properly, and the finiteness of the planet etc., all the rest is contrived IMHO. Ignoring EVs is such a serious flaw in the analysis of demand destruction that it has to be intentional. And the disguised denial overtones made me sorry I clicked the link.
B. Taking turns shooting at climate change activism, renewable energy, and nuclear energy, although making sure to acknowledge that AGW is "a real and serious issue". Strongly smelled of disguised denialism.
C. A whole blog post about the catastrophe of Peak Oil yet not a single mention of the remote possibility that electricity could be an alternative to oil, or of the very existence of Battery Electric Vehicles (even managed to take a potshot at Elon Musk without mentioning EVs).
D. Freely mixing energy consumption and oil consumption, with not a single mention of natural gas as a possible alternative to oil for some uses.
I am deeply unimpressed. While the blogger seems to have the economic cycle of oil prices and production analyzed and understood properly, and the finiteness of the planet etc., all the rest is contrived IMHO. Ignoring EVs is such a serious flaw in the analysis of demand destruction that it has to be intentional. And the disguised denial overtones made me sorry I clicked the link.
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The politics / Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« on: October 02, 2019, 09:57:30 PM »
I hope he recovers soon and continues campaigning.
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The politics / Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« on: October 02, 2019, 02:02:08 AM »
So what. A news organization got a detail in a story wrong, and then corrected the story. It happens pretty much every day. If you or Dore are going to jump up and down every time that happens, you're gonna get sore leg muscles from repetitive motion sickness!
Indeed. Trump asked the President of Ukraine to "do us a favor, though" and launch an investigation into the Bidens. The aid to Ukraine was very clearly implied as hostage to compliance. The facts are clear. Overstatements by one or another news outlet are irrelevant to the overall picture.
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Consequences / Re: Worst consequence of AGW
« on: September 25, 2019, 05:47:03 PM »
Tom,
Thanks for putting your posts (or at least most of them) in one place (here). It has to be easier on you, too! If a post 'really belongs' someplace else, though (like a great picture of Arctic ice), put it where it 'belongs', if you like.
Tor
Thanks for putting your posts (or at least most of them) in one place (here). It has to be easier on you, too! If a post 'really belongs' someplace else, though (like a great picture of Arctic ice), put it where it 'belongs', if you like.
Tor
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The politics / Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« on: September 24, 2019, 08:16:40 PM »
Every Group Except Older Republicans Is Concerned About Climate Change
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/climate-change-poll_n_5d87ab74e4b0849d472adbb3
GOP LEADERSHIP HUDDLES WITH FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY DURING CLIMATE WEEK
https://theintercept.com/2019/09/22/gop-fossil-fuel-fundraisers-climate-week/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/climate-change-poll_n_5d87ab74e4b0849d472adbb3
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But the poll also finds a significant generational divide within the GOP: 69% of Republicans under age 45 describe themselves as at least somewhat concerned about climate change, compared to just 38% of those age 45 and older. There’s not a similar difference based on age among Democrats.
GOP LEADERSHIP HUDDLES WITH FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY DURING CLIMATE WEEK
https://theintercept.com/2019/09/22/gop-fossil-fuel-fundraisers-climate-week/
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YOUTH DEMONSTRATORS stormed streets across the world demanding drastic action on the climate crisis on Friday, following a visit by Swedish activist Greta Thunberg on Capitol Hill last week to press lawmakers to view rising greenhouse gases as an existential problem that requires an immediate response.
Behind closed doors, across town in Washington, D.C., Republican lawmakers, including leadership, huddled with the fossil fuel industry, maintaining the very ties that bind U.S. policymakers and prevent them from addressing climate change.