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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: January 20, 2021, 11:28:03 PM »
Thank the non-existent god it's over.
Except for the lawsuits and the criminal cases.
Except for the lawsuits and the criminal cases.
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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: January 20, 2021, 11:07:31 PM »Wonder how much America’s southern border wall grew under President Trump? The answer is 47 miles, raising the total walled distance along the U.S.-Mexico border from 654 miles when Trump took office to now 701 miles. (The entire border is 1,954 miles long.)Sometimes the bad can be made good
Pink seesaws across US-Mexico border named Design of the Year 2020
American and Mexican families enjoying the Teeter Totter Wall, which crosses the Mexican border with US
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The politics / Re: Biden’s Presidency
« on: January 20, 2021, 10:27:51 PM »A really dumb comic strip. Biden isn't a tool of the so-called military-industrial complex, and he actually does give a damn about climate change. Whoever wrote this junk would know that if they bothered to look at his climate plan.It is cerainly true that the term "military-industrial complex" is somewhat last century (warning by Eisenhower at the end of his Presidency).
The military-industrial complex is very much a junior partner these days.
It has been replaced mostly by Wall Street / Financial Institutions and now also by Big-Tech (though they may have blown it).
It is also certainly true that Biden is a Corporate Democrat to the core. I was interested to note that Amazon was one of the corporate donors invited to the inauguration. (Were any ordinary members of the public invited?)
The smart Wall Street money has clocked that the real money is to be made in the new industries linked to climate change. Fossil fuel companies and legacy automakers are already feeling the chill. Hence a bold climate change plan is pushing at an open door. Though will that just be promoting renewables + EVs, or will it include actively erecting obstacles to fossil fuel investments?
The smart Wall Street money also knows it needs internationalism - including smart immigrants. Though that internationalism is likely to be limited as it seems many Democrats and Republicans share various shades of protectionism.
The real test will be doing something about economic / education / housing etc etc inequality. Infrastructure spending - no problem $$$.
A more progressive taxation regime? Now we are talking hardball.
I hope Biden gets much of his agenda through. Though if he does I will be jealous as our idiot Boris leads us into permanent decline on this side of the pond.
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The politics / Re: Biden’s Presidency
« on: January 20, 2021, 06:29:00 PM »
what a joy to listen to America's poet laurate , Amanda Gorman . b.c.
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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: January 20, 2021, 06:28:42 PM »
The end of an error. Finally.
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The politics / Re: Biden’s Presidency
« on: January 20, 2021, 06:27:24 PM »
Amanda Gorman was AWESOME!!!! 🙂
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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: January 20, 2021, 04:58:02 PM »
GOODBYE YOU FASCIST PIG!!!
What will I watch now on TV after the end of the best soap in history ? 😭
What will I watch now on TV after the end of the best soap in history ? 😭
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: January 14, 2021, 11:48:10 PM »
Owing primarily to his recent reference to President Obama as 'the mulatto' , Tom has been invited not to post in the 'off-topic' section for a week . b.c.
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: January 14, 2021, 03:45:31 PM »
And to those occasional few who want to take time off from the forum, if you do so please don't delete your account. It's a shame to lose access to all previous posts and to cut off communications by private messages, when simply lurking silently is an available alternative. And when re-registering (which happens every now and then) people need to get to know you again.
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: January 14, 2021, 03:42:18 PM »
Actually the comment by blu_ice made sense, Covid discussions have caused much dissent this year (as have politics discussions in period after Trump's election). However, at least regarding Covid I would not delete that thread, I find it to be a very useful and in-depth source of information unmatched elsewhere. I wish that those who don't care for it will simply avoid it, rather than being dragged down into the occasional harsh disagreements.
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: January 13, 2021, 03:12:56 PM »
John , get over yourself , and if you don't like it here , get out . b.c.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: January 12, 2021, 10:35:45 PM »
What about straw man arguments? And wild-ass guesses?
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3376.msg297808.html#msg297808
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3376.msg297808.html#msg297808
Quote from: John Palmer.
Quote from: RodiusNo, I don't. It is a wild ass guess. ...Quote from: John Palmer.... I agree, but one scenario demands several years of natural virus evolution (accelerated by overpopulation by a factor 10?Do you have anything to support that claim?
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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: December 31, 2020, 09:30:35 PM »
We´re in this together by NIN. We were in 2020 and we are in 2021 and all those years after too.
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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: December 27, 2020, 06:23:56 PM »He's not actually pro-life either, and neither is the new SCOTUS conservative majority:Catholic theology accepts, [lots of stuff, clipped].
Brandon Bernard executed after Supreme Court denies request for a delay
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/10/politics/brandon-bernard-executed/index.html
Their doctrine of original sin refutes the idea that there are any innocent lives. Of course, that doctrine is also refuted by the evidence for evolution...
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: December 14, 2020, 05:53:13 PM »
^Just a Kristallnacht redux by Trump's Sturmabteilung (SA) stormtroopers ...
... with a little help from his friends ...
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1392.msg295721.html#msg295721
... with a little help from his friends ...
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1392.msg295721.html#msg295721
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Consequences / Re: Global recession, supply issues and other COVID-19 consequences
« on: December 05, 2020, 11:57:49 PM »Rodius, we are wrong. The stock market is the economy. Has been since the current market system began. The economy has never deviated from the market - ever. There have always been winners and losers, people at the top and bottom, from the beginning of time. The difference between today and previous systems is that there exist a large portion in the middle. They will be rich always and the poor will always be with us. Someone much wiser than me once said that.
Christ almighty! The stupid, it burns. Remind me to not take any investment advice from you.
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The forum / Re: Arctic Sea Ice Forum Humor
« on: November 28, 2020, 09:26:26 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/nov/27/a-dog-pissing-at-the-edge-of-a-path-wins-oddest-book-title-of-the-year-diagram-prize
A Dog Pissing at the Edge of a Path wins oddest book title of the year
Anthropological study of metaphor takes 2020 Diagram prize, pulling ahead of Introducing the Medieval Ass in public vote
‘Practically a perfect Venn diagram of an ideal winner’ Photograph: Nils Jorgensen/Rex/Shutterstock
A Dog Pissing at the Edge of a Path wins oddest book title of the year
Anthropological study of metaphor takes 2020 Diagram prize, pulling ahead of Introducing the Medieval Ass in public vote
‘Practically a perfect Venn diagram of an ideal winner’ Photograph: Nils Jorgensen/Rex/Shutterstock
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"A Dog Pissing at the Edge of a Path" has beaten Introducing the Medieval Ass to win the Diagram prize for oddest book title of the year.
Both books are academic studies, with the winning title by University of Alberta anthropologist Gregory Forth. It sees Forth look at how the Nage, an indigenous people primarily living on the islands of Flores and Timor, understand metaphor, and use their knowledge of animals to shape specific expressions. The title itself is an idiom for someone who begins a task but is then distracted by other matters.
Runner-up "Introducing the Medieval Ass", sees the University of Melbourne’s medieval historian Kathryn L Smithies explore “the ass’s enormous socio-economic and cultural significance in the middle ages”. Other contenders included Classical Antiquity in Heavy Metal Music, Lawnmowers: An Illustrated History and The Slaughter of Farmed Animals: Practical Ways of Enhancing Animal Welfare.
The prize, run by the Bookseller magazine, was first established in 1978 to reward the year’s strangest book title.
“I thought it would be a closer race, but A Dog Pissing is practically a perfect Venn diagram of an ideal winner,” said Tom Tivnan, the prize coordinator and managing editor of the Bookseller. He said it combined “the three most fecund Diagram prize territories: university presses (a tradition dating back to the first champ, 1978’s University of Tokyo-published Proceedings of the Second International Workshop on Nude Mice); animals (like 2012’s Goblinproofing One’s Chicken Coop or 2003’s The Big Book of Lesbian Horse Stories); and bodily functions (such as 2013’s How to Poo on a Date and 2011’s Cooking with Poo).”
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Policy and solutions / Re: Aviation
« on: November 18, 2020, 06:55:00 AM »
Not walking the walk !
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: November 12, 2020, 06:58:11 PM »A major milestone on the road to a Second American Civil War.
AFAIK this is the first time a significant media source has endorsed violence (correct me if I'm wrong).
I am documenting it here for you.
It is, as you might expect, the American Thinker.
Surveying the Aftermath of a Stolen Election
How much further down this road will the Right Wing go?
If I might suggest... This forum does not permit climate denial material, or even URLs to climate denial sites. The reason is that doing any of this promotes such denial.
I think we should do the same thing with alt-Right/fascist/NeoNazi material. Don't quote it, don't link to it. Talk about what they're doing, if you like. Have discussions. But do nothing that remotely promotes this toxic ideology.
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The politics / Re: Biden’s Presidency
« on: November 08, 2020, 04:31:32 PM »
Tom, Care to fix your quote with what Obama said ? Because slowing sea level rise might have actually been possible if we had acted. We all know you had other priorities and voted against Obama anyway but you could at least quote him correctly.
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The rest / Re: What is your likeability?
« on: November 05, 2020, 06:49:42 AM »
worth a reply i guess.
I have a high like ratio on this blog.
About .5
In the real world my views are marginalized and I find it hard to relate to the "normal" person I encounter.
Because.
First and foremost I have what they call Asperger syndrome this simply means I dont think like "normal" person. I/100 ...
2nd is IQ apparently mine is something like 2 sd to the right . another 1/100....
On this forum both of my differences are approaching normal hence what I have to say often resonates with the average person on here.
What does my high like ratio mean to me ?
It makes me feel I am among my peers and a valued contributor with views worth considering rather than feeling alone in an incomprehensible uncomprehending world .
I have a high like ratio on this blog.
About .5
In the real world my views are marginalized and I find it hard to relate to the "normal" person I encounter.
Because.
First and foremost I have what they call Asperger syndrome this simply means I dont think like "normal" person. I/100 ...
2nd is IQ apparently mine is something like 2 sd to the right . another 1/100....
On this forum both of my differences are approaching normal hence what I have to say often resonates with the average person on here.
What does my high like ratio mean to me ?
It makes me feel I am among my peers and a valued contributor with views worth considering rather than feeling alone in an incomprehensible uncomprehending world .
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The rest / Re: The off topic off topic thread
« on: October 25, 2020, 02:01:06 AM »
Blumenkraft - wish you were here.
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Policy and solutions / Re: Nuclear Power
« on: October 22, 2020, 07:33:10 PM »
Instead of spending tens of billions on nuclear plants, spend far less on wind (and solar), put in an extra amount for grid batteries, and spend some change on keeping your coal plants mothballed rather than dismantle them. Then when the dreaded calm cloudy period comes AND WW3 is upon us so the interconnects stop working, use those coal plants for a week.
Achieving this solution will be much cheaper, much quicker, and will emit less CO2 overall.
Achieving this solution will be much cheaper, much quicker, and will emit less CO2 overall.
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Consequences / Re: Global recession, supply issues and other COVID-19 consequences
« on: October 12, 2020, 10:39:09 PM »
I agree. If ZH is your only gateway to the info just use the article they go from.
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 12, 2020, 01:47:35 AM »
Why does this thread exist, and why do I have to see this BS every time I open up ASIF?
The name "Alt right" is used as an alternative name for fascism because it sounds better. Please call this thread Fascism, or delete this BS!!!
The name "Alt right" is used as an alternative name for fascism because it sounds better. Please call this thread Fascism, or delete this BS!!!
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 12, 2020, 01:42:28 AM »Quote
The condemnation of liberation movements for resorting to violence or armed struggle is almost invariably superficial, hypocritical, judgmental, and unfair, and tends strongly to represent another example of the generalized phenomenon of blaming the victim. The violence of the situation the preexisting oppression suffered by those who eventually strike back, is conveniently ignored. The violence of the oppressed is a form of defensive counterviolence to the violence of conquest and oppression. In no armed national liberation movement I know of in history has this not been the case.
Jeff Sluka
Wili hit the nail on the head here.
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 09:40:16 PM »
... worth the read of the entire piece ...
Our Consensus Reality Has Shattered: A Whirlwind of Uncertainty Is Stirring Up Extremism
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/10/whirlwind-uncertainty-landed-us-year-and-its-stirring-extremism/169174/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/year-living-uncertainly/616648/
... When no clear, authoritative source of truth exists, when uncertainty rages, human nature will lead many people to seek a more stable reality by wrapping themselves in an ever-tighter cloak of political, religious, or racial identities. The more uncertainty rises, the more alluring that siren call becomes. And some Americans are responding by seeking out exclusive, all-encompassing identities that are toxic and fragile—and hold the seed of violent extremism.
... “Knowledge resides in consensus, rather than in any transcendent or objective relationship between a knower and that which is to be known,” ... The more people who agree on a fact, the more we understand it to be real.
Objective reality is presumed to exist, and it may enforce its strictures tangibly—for instance, through COVID-19 death tolls and hospitalizations. But objective reality is apprehended through consensus. We do not set out, individually, to count the dead. We trust others to do it for us. When our enveloping social consensus agrees that 200,000 Americans have died, it becomes a fact. It becomes real.
Perhaps most importantly, the nature of the consensus depends on who you know. Even today, surrounding yourself with people who believe that the world is flat is eminently possible. The more people you know who believe it, the more likely you will believe it as well. But if you move, or make new friends, the consensus may again change around you.
The instability of the consensus has always presented a challenge, but in today’s globally networked world, realities collide around us every day, sometimes dramatically—even violently—opposed in their verdicts on values, opinions, and facts.
... How much engagement does it take to make an alternative fact credible? One hundred thousand retweets? Fifty thousand likes? Ten thousand shares? These numbers were within reach for virtually everyone, and even they are overkill. For some people, seeing 100, 50, or 20 is enough. In a small group—a chat room or a Telegram channel—affirmation from 10 people might be sufficient to tilt someone toward violence, because consensus is more powerful when it is found among others you trust. We listen most closely to chat members, friends, family, and colleagues. We value most dearly the opinions of people from the same neighborhood, or from the same religion, or from the same race.
... Some people are better at living with uncertainty than others and can navigate a landscape of contradictions more comfortably. But most of us will seek to reduce uncertainty by turning to the people we trust the most: people who are like us, people with whom we can identify, what social scientists refer to as an in-group.
The in-group is not a designation of power or popularity. It’s simply your group. Anyone who’s not in your group is part of an out-group. ... We identify with in-groups because we understand that they are filled with people like us—who hold similar opinions, listen to similar music, enjoy similar foods. Because they’re more like us, we relate to them more easily and agree with them more often than we do members of our out-groups.
A related effect is equally venerable, but less understood. People who associate with in-groups tend to develop negative attitudes about out-groups. We like our music and don’t like theirs. Our food is good; theirs is not as good. This often extends to the quality of the members: Our people are better than they are.
... in-groups don’t necessarily develop negative feelings about out-groups, even when the groups are competing for resources or status. As the social psychologist John T. Jost has demonstrated, people usually favor maintaining the status quo over changes that might benefit their in-group, an effect called “system justification.”
However, when the status quo is upended, as in a civil war, people experience massive uncertainty. When the status quo collapses, there is no system to justify. But even short of societal collapse, the system-justification impulse can fail. What happens when the status quo is not just beset by uncertainty, but is itself the source of uncertainty?
That’s when things get ugly.
... During times of great uncertainty, our need to make the world real and know what is true becomes much more urgent, and we can satisfy that need by immersing ourselves ever deeper in an in-group that offers a clear, authoritative consensus.
The social psychologist Michael A. Hogg found that feelings of uncertainty make people more likely to strongly identify with in-groups.
Michael A. Hogg, et.al, Extremism and the Psychology of Uncertainty, Applied Social Psychology Series Book 9
But Hogg’s findings go further. People who are experiencing uncertainty tend to assign a higher value to the in-group’s most distinctive traits, such as skin color or religious practice. They are attracted to in-groups with rigidly defined rules and boundaries, and to in-groups that are internally homogenous—filled with people who look, think, and act in similar ways.
More destructively, people who are experiencing uncertainty tend to develop hostile attitudes toward out-groups, seeing them as threats, and entertaining dark fantasies of hostile actions toward the hated other. Some in-group members may go beyond fantasy, engaging in acts of violence, terrorism, even genocide. They gravitate toward social movements that are bigoted, hateful, and authoritarian.
They become extremists.
... Unemployment and poverty do not drive extremism directly. People can live with deprivation if they know what’s expected, where they fit into the picture, and how they will survive, if only barely. They can live with adversity if they can plan for it.
But when unemployment and poverty surge unexpectedly, overturning the status quo, when hopes and dreams and long-laid plans fly out the window, extremism becomes much more attractive. When uncertainty overtakes the system itself, when the system is the source of uncertainty, things can really fall apart, and it becomes difficult to know which way society will turn. ...
Our Consensus Reality Has Shattered: A Whirlwind of Uncertainty Is Stirring Up Extremism
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/10/whirlwind-uncertainty-landed-us-year-and-its-stirring-extremism/169174/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/year-living-uncertainly/616648/
... When no clear, authoritative source of truth exists, when uncertainty rages, human nature will lead many people to seek a more stable reality by wrapping themselves in an ever-tighter cloak of political, religious, or racial identities. The more uncertainty rises, the more alluring that siren call becomes. And some Americans are responding by seeking out exclusive, all-encompassing identities that are toxic and fragile—and hold the seed of violent extremism.
... “Knowledge resides in consensus, rather than in any transcendent or objective relationship between a knower and that which is to be known,” ... The more people who agree on a fact, the more we understand it to be real.
Objective reality is presumed to exist, and it may enforce its strictures tangibly—for instance, through COVID-19 death tolls and hospitalizations. But objective reality is apprehended through consensus. We do not set out, individually, to count the dead. We trust others to do it for us. When our enveloping social consensus agrees that 200,000 Americans have died, it becomes a fact. It becomes real.
Perhaps most importantly, the nature of the consensus depends on who you know. Even today, surrounding yourself with people who believe that the world is flat is eminently possible. The more people you know who believe it, the more likely you will believe it as well. But if you move, or make new friends, the consensus may again change around you.
The instability of the consensus has always presented a challenge, but in today’s globally networked world, realities collide around us every day, sometimes dramatically—even violently—opposed in their verdicts on values, opinions, and facts.
... How much engagement does it take to make an alternative fact credible? One hundred thousand retweets? Fifty thousand likes? Ten thousand shares? These numbers were within reach for virtually everyone, and even they are overkill. For some people, seeing 100, 50, or 20 is enough. In a small group—a chat room or a Telegram channel—affirmation from 10 people might be sufficient to tilt someone toward violence, because consensus is more powerful when it is found among others you trust. We listen most closely to chat members, friends, family, and colleagues. We value most dearly the opinions of people from the same neighborhood, or from the same religion, or from the same race.
... Some people are better at living with uncertainty than others and can navigate a landscape of contradictions more comfortably. But most of us will seek to reduce uncertainty by turning to the people we trust the most: people who are like us, people with whom we can identify, what social scientists refer to as an in-group.
The in-group is not a designation of power or popularity. It’s simply your group. Anyone who’s not in your group is part of an out-group. ... We identify with in-groups because we understand that they are filled with people like us—who hold similar opinions, listen to similar music, enjoy similar foods. Because they’re more like us, we relate to them more easily and agree with them more often than we do members of our out-groups.
A related effect is equally venerable, but less understood. People who associate with in-groups tend to develop negative attitudes about out-groups. We like our music and don’t like theirs. Our food is good; theirs is not as good. This often extends to the quality of the members: Our people are better than they are.
... in-groups don’t necessarily develop negative feelings about out-groups, even when the groups are competing for resources or status. As the social psychologist John T. Jost has demonstrated, people usually favor maintaining the status quo over changes that might benefit their in-group, an effect called “system justification.”
However, when the status quo is upended, as in a civil war, people experience massive uncertainty. When the status quo collapses, there is no system to justify. But even short of societal collapse, the system-justification impulse can fail. What happens when the status quo is not just beset by uncertainty, but is itself the source of uncertainty?
That’s when things get ugly.
... During times of great uncertainty, our need to make the world real and know what is true becomes much more urgent, and we can satisfy that need by immersing ourselves ever deeper in an in-group that offers a clear, authoritative consensus.
The social psychologist Michael A. Hogg found that feelings of uncertainty make people more likely to strongly identify with in-groups.
Michael A. Hogg, et.al, Extremism and the Psychology of Uncertainty, Applied Social Psychology Series Book 9
But Hogg’s findings go further. People who are experiencing uncertainty tend to assign a higher value to the in-group’s most distinctive traits, such as skin color or religious practice. They are attracted to in-groups with rigidly defined rules and boundaries, and to in-groups that are internally homogenous—filled with people who look, think, and act in similar ways.
More destructively, people who are experiencing uncertainty tend to develop hostile attitudes toward out-groups, seeing them as threats, and entertaining dark fantasies of hostile actions toward the hated other. Some in-group members may go beyond fantasy, engaging in acts of violence, terrorism, even genocide. They gravitate toward social movements that are bigoted, hateful, and authoritarian.
They become extremists.
... Unemployment and poverty do not drive extremism directly. People can live with deprivation if they know what’s expected, where they fit into the picture, and how they will survive, if only barely. They can live with adversity if they can plan for it.
But when unemployment and poverty surge unexpectedly, overturning the status quo, when hopes and dreams and long-laid plans fly out the window, extremism becomes much more attractive. When uncertainty overtakes the system itself, when the system is the source of uncertainty, things can really fall apart, and it becomes difficult to know which way society will turn. ...
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 08:19:34 PM »Actually I expect most of the violence is neither Left or Right...not political at all.Maybe you're right, but political violence is something specific because it targets people who are totally innocent, and is done in order to gain power. It destroys democracy, and once the violent one is installed, it is quite difficult to get him out.
I's drug lords fighting each other, muggings, assaults...mostly done for reasons not having anything to do with politics.
And the violence, while it has been rising the last couple years, is nothing like it was in the ACW, or in Europe in the World Wars. The scary thing is worrying about it getting that bad again.
The violence of criminal organizations is something that a democratic society should be able to control, even if it is not always easy.
I'm living in Europe, so I can't testify about what's happening in the US, but in the news over here, we only see political violence coming from the alt-right, excepted sometimes people reacting to planned provocations.
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 03:53:48 PM »How do the riots that occurred after the George Floyd murder fit into this?I would say that most riots occur when people are angry, demonstrate and loose control. Nothing to do with any alt-right or left.
On the other side of the road during the George Floyd riots, it seems like the alt-right was well organized. The main problem with riots is how they are used by organized groups to gain power and influence, this is why I believe that non violence is the only way out, and it is required if you want to be heard by all the people who don't really care.
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Consequences / Re: Worst consequence of AGW
« on: October 10, 2020, 06:21:22 AM »
I misread the last sentence as "destroying our souls." Wendell Berry might nod.
sidd
sidd
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 08, 2020, 04:39:01 PM »
"this forum is as always so quick in wanting to make oneself or a selected few guilty of whatever opinion"
Erhm, perhaps you should think before you post generalisations on a public forum. You can think, can't you? This is not the Daily Mail.
Your post reads as a couple of excuses and then you write the above quote. Doesn't come across as sincere gandul.
edit: typo
Erhm, perhaps you should think before you post generalisations on a public forum. You can think, can't you? This is not the Daily Mail.
Your post reads as a couple of excuses and then you write the above quote. Doesn't come across as sincere gandul.
edit: typo
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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: October 08, 2020, 04:44:09 AM »
Well, at least that was better than the first debate.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 01, 2020, 06:03:57 PM »That a healthy level of Vit D and administration of Vit D as part of Covid treatment is positive is also generally recognized, and once again, we are talking about thousands of doctors across the world, it makes no sense all of them putting first ideological convictions rather than medical reasons.
From the WHO:
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FACT: Vitamin and mineral supplements cannot cure COVID-19https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters
Micronutrients, such as vitamins D and C and zinc, are critical for a well-functioning immune system and play a vital role in promoting health and nutritional well-being. There is currently no guidance on the use of micronutrient supplements as a treatment of COVID-19.
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Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 29, 2020, 07:29:54 AM »
Just opened ralfys comments
Should not have bothered
Still single study syndrom still has not understood renewable energy is both cheaper and more efficient than way back in 2015
And can not get it is getting cheaper every year as we climb the learning curve and reach economy of scale.
Wasted space...
Should not have bothered
Still single study syndrom still has not understood renewable energy is both cheaper and more efficient than way back in 2015
And can not get it is getting cheaper every year as we climb the learning curve and reach economy of scale.
Wasted space...
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 27, 2020, 10:57:11 PM »
Scientific reports about effects of the virus are not really tied to a certain date. If there is newer research that might be better but these things are not just going to go away.
How much people suffer from them and which specific groups they hit most is another question but debating that takes more then stating it is from may or june.
Basically it is one disease but people have a different focus which also varies with where they are geographically and economically and thus we disagree.
Neither focusing on the worst outcomes or the best is going to help because in the world is going to produce it´s own outcomes. This is sort of similar to the whole general debate on global warming. Arguably it would be more interesting to explore what we could agree on.
How much people suffer from them and which specific groups they hit most is another question but debating that takes more then stating it is from may or june.
Basically it is one disease but people have a different focus which also varies with where they are geographically and economically and thus we disagree.
Neither focusing on the worst outcomes or the best is going to help because in the world is going to produce it´s own outcomes. This is sort of similar to the whole general debate on global warming. Arguably it would be more interesting to explore what we could agree on.
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: September 25, 2020, 05:20:03 PM »Oren:
I was being antagonistic to the position of A-Team, not the person, since he uses his expertise in the area to construct “express science” pictures of very alarmist scenarios. Many posters swallow his paintings as if it was ex cathedra truth. It is not. He complains of slow science sometimes (and of bothersome contributors, and of a thousand things more, he’s basically a “victim”) but the truth is, slow science is rigorous and true and at the end will save our skin, all the noise here will not, including his beautiful constructions.
I hoped you would have not touched my post, but it’s ok.
A-Team gives numerous references to back up his main points and to educate those of us who want to dig into the details. He is not just dazzling us with beautiful graphics. The "alarmist scenarios" are possible outcomes that are consistent with the data and models at hand. To date, scenarios once presented as most likely by the IPCC have been replaced by ones that are more "alarmist".
Your use of the word "alarmist" makes you sound like a right wing troll. Your abusive comments about posters do as well. Have a nice day.
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Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 25, 2020, 05:02:46 AM »
Sorry, I give up.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 21, 2020, 05:26:43 AM »OK, so you are basically a <Try adressing the argument instead of attacking people. kassy> saying I need to take something that BigPharma has cooked up because people cannot take care of themselves. I live alone. Yet "I need to take this" according to you, some rando on the other side of the planet who apparently knows my living situation.I am not taking the vaccine for a year+ after release, if at all.
Why do I need to be vaccinated for something that has is a lower risk to my age/weight/health cohort than seasonal influenza? I am supposed to take something some nincompoops made in a lab without actual safety trials in hopes of avoiding something that is most likely benign to my risk category?
This does not compute.
Ironically, or not, the group that most needs a vaccine -- the obese and elderly, but especially the obese -- are also the group hypothetically MOST at risk of needing either an absurd number of doses for efficacy, OR an ADE-reaction that actually kills them, with the risks of said response increasing with each sequential dose of vaccine. LOL.
Big pharma has manufactured this entire crisis. I wonder if they push the vaccine on "high-risk" groups (specifically the obese). There is a not-small chance this ultimately results in mass deaths worse than the virus itself given the specifics of COVID and its similarities to Dengue which I outlined on the previous page and which does not have an effective vaccine for the same reason (ADE). Is it a guarantee? No. But precedence and lack of effective coronavirus vaccines to date, or vaccines for similar diseases, says it is likely.
A few points....
If a safe vaccine happens then as many people need to take it as possible... even you. The reason is because stopping Covid may not be an issue for you personally but for those who it is highly risk need people like you to have the vaccine to stop it reaching them.... it isnt just about you.
Do you have any research to support your opinion that Covid is more risky or even as risky for the obese than it is for the elderly?
Also, these people are not hypothetically more at risk, they are proven to be more at risk. Why do you think it is hypothetical?
No vaccine has been approved. So where are you getting the information that the vaccine is worse than Covid? Or is that just another opinion?
Can you imagine if I cooked up something in a lab and stuck it in you? You are suggesting the same be done to me.
Western societies are now at the point where a substantial portion think that people who are not in any way vulnerable to a virus should be vaccinated with mystery vaccine to protect people whose vulnerability to the virus is largely of their own doing if they are under 65.
So now obesity is literally inflicting its pain on everyone else who isn't fat and you have <Try adressing the argument instead of attacking people. kassy> like Rodius who would assist this effort. Why have any healthy people anymore? What use would that be for bigpharma? LOL.
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Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 07, 2020, 01:17:36 PM »The last thing I want to see is an echo chamber.
And yet you have created an echo chamber all on your own. You do not engage in structured discussion that enables dealing with the points one by one, and keep relying on outdated sources that are plain and clear propaganda against renewables.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 03, 2020, 06:29:13 PM »
BBR, TONE IT DOWN. You are hijacking this thread with your over-confidence and your intolerance of any other opinion or data. Post after post after post with no room to breath. You cannot hog threads like that, else there might be ramifications.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 03, 2020, 05:05:40 PM »The UK is a country where most people are overweight, and do not get exercise or regular sunlight, and have terrible diets of mushy peas and beans on toast or whatever the f*ck horrible food they have these days. The relics of Post-WWII culture in British cuisine are truly awful and they've been made even worse by the Americanization that has happened almost everywhere globally since 1989.Utterly & complete piffle. Evidence?
Do you live in the UK?
Have you lived in the UK?
Do we in the UK have a growing problem with obesity? Yes.
Will I die? Yes.
Soon? With our Government doing its best to follow the Trump Master Plan, probably Yes.
However I will not be a willing sacrifice for Herd Immunity in the service of the false god GDP.
Wild generalisations such as " terrible diets of mushy peas and beans on toast .... relics of Post-WWII culture in British cuisine are truly awful" are......
No, that's all I'm going to say about that.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 03, 2020, 04:48:27 PM »
CCP, really.
BBR - at least get your metaphors right. Trotsky ism and ist's would be much more relevant terms for a flavour of Marxism and its supporters that embraces and hopes to introduce worldwide revolutionary change. The CCP although more flavoured by their own flavour of Trotskyism abandoned revolutionary Trotskyist marxism pretty much when Mao died. However for established governments that clamp down or rights and increase control over everyday aspects of peoples lives, I would suggest the term facism. Hannah Arendt is my favourite author to define the term.
For a trenchant analysis of one of the key factors that enable this control of society the works of Jaques Ellul ( coined the phrase "Think globally and act locally" in 68 I believe) especially The Technological Society - 1964 and/or The Technological Bluff 1990. If one believes in a growing current global techno-facism - IMHO it would be proceeding along nicely without COVID-19.
And as far as where the COVID-19 virus originated, the possibility that it originated in a CAFO (concentrated animal feeding operations) is for me well within the realm of possibility. Wherever and whenever COVID-19 originated, the overriding questions are what to do about and how to live with. And if CAFO's are introducing new mutated versions that can cause epi- and pan- demics, what do we do for the "-demics" of the future?
And if you truly want to go down the path of "viral demented mental infections" , using viral as an exponential meme or thought that ravages the economy and freedoms of a nation, I would suggest looking at nuclear weapons and their impact on the usa and their possibly causing global extinction if used.
Please, can you take it down a notch?
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The worst thing about COVID is the brain damage it causes in people who aren't infected. It has helped foster the rise of CCP-style authoritarianism globally. It truly is the Chinese virus in that it seemingly turns random Westerners into CCP-style authoritarian automatons. I wonder if a virus has ever previously caused more damage amongst those it didn't infect vs those that it did?
BBR - at least get your metaphors right. Trotsky ism and ist's would be much more relevant terms for a flavour of Marxism and its supporters that embraces and hopes to introduce worldwide revolutionary change. The CCP although more flavoured by their own flavour of Trotskyism abandoned revolutionary Trotskyist marxism pretty much when Mao died. However for established governments that clamp down or rights and increase control over everyday aspects of peoples lives, I would suggest the term facism. Hannah Arendt is my favourite author to define the term.
For a trenchant analysis of one of the key factors that enable this control of society the works of Jaques Ellul ( coined the phrase "Think globally and act locally" in 68 I believe) especially The Technological Society - 1964 and/or The Technological Bluff 1990. If one believes in a growing current global techno-facism - IMHO it would be proceeding along nicely without COVID-19.
And as far as where the COVID-19 virus originated, the possibility that it originated in a CAFO (concentrated animal feeding operations) is for me well within the realm of possibility. Wherever and whenever COVID-19 originated, the overriding questions are what to do about and how to live with. And if CAFO's are introducing new mutated versions that can cause epi- and pan- demics, what do we do for the "-demics" of the future?
And if you truly want to go down the path of "viral demented mental infections" , using viral as an exponential meme or thought that ravages the economy and freedoms of a nation, I would suggest looking at nuclear weapons and their impact on the usa and their possibly causing global extinction if used.
Please, can you take it down a notch?
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 03, 2020, 03:27:03 PM »
Let's look at the below data.
Which countries here are accurate? I'd wager, it is Singapore, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Iceland, Kuwait, and Malta.
All of them have CFRs of .6% or below, including Kuwait, which has an extremely obese population. The data confirms that the worst outcome of the virus is the lockdowns and authoritarianism and not the death toll. These will probably end up killing way more people through economic disruption (famine, etc).
Funny enough, the above countries are all islands, or for all intents and purposes, islands (UAE, and Kuwait, both surrounded by desert, although I guess you have some Iraqis near Kuwait).
Singapore, Qatar, Bahrain, Iceland, and Malta all provide ideal case grounds a la cruise ships for ACCURATELY gauging fatality rates. Better than New Zealand, Taiwan, or Australia, all of which are way bigger and more populous / spread out. The data from ALL OF THESE POINTS confirms that the true case fatality rate is well under 1% and for young / healthy people it is almost 0.
Source? "Screen shot" is a notoriously unreliable source.
Some places have quite low fatality rates, some much higher. What's the rationale for dismissing places with higher rates? People manufactured corpses for their statistics in the UK?
Civilized societies go to great lengths to prevent avoidable deaths. That's what makes them civilized. The main cost to avoiding deaths is suspension of non-essential activities for some months.
Dismissing concerns about avoidable deaths as insanity is itself insane,
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: August 28, 2020, 03:26:47 AM »
bbr, I recommend reporting to mod and waiting a bit before going for the decorum thread with guns blazing.
In this case some criticism against use of 10-day forecasts was justified but all the rest was not, which is why I responded to your mod report with an edit of the reported post and with a follow-up post. As I sometimes sleep a couple of hours, this can't always be immediate.
Going all-out attack on people who criticize you will not necessarily reduce future criticism. Take it easy.
In this case some criticism against use of 10-day forecasts was justified but all the rest was not, which is why I responded to your mod report with an edit of the reported post and with a follow-up post. As I sometimes sleep a couple of hours, this can't always be immediate.
Going all-out attack on people who criticize you will not necessarily reduce future criticism. Take it easy.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 26, 2020, 01:55:25 PM »
There are many studies that show higher levels of vitamin D are associated with a stronger immune system. There are zero studies showing that taking vitamin D supplements leads to a stronger immune system, despite attempts.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 26, 2020, 01:43:38 PM »
bbr you are let loose here with bad results. Your stance on Vit D is way over-confident given the evidence, it could be right or wrong but that certainly doesn't give you the license to attack anyone opposed to your opinion using such harsh language.