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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 24, 2020, 10:36:48 AM »

Here in Germany they still insist that the current numbers cannot be compared to the spring numbers because they test more, which is kind of true, but the worrying part is that the test positive rate is going up steeply. It was way below 1% in summer and the latest number now is 3.6 %.

Those numbers are pathetic. We have a 15% positivity rate! Now, that is something! The dead are piling up. No matter. Stadiums are full with a major soccer event scheduled for the weekend. This is how real tough nations, like us, the Hungarians do it.
(first chart: positivity rate, second: daily deaths and 7 day moving average of deaths)

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 14, 2020, 09:58:05 PM »
SH, I think the focus on IFR is important because it allows  for a sanity check. Using a very simple  IFR as the criteria, is it worth doing anything about C19?

Let's assume an absolutely best-case scenario that IFR of C19 was 0.1% for eveyone. Then the chance of dying of C19 would be about the same as dying in a car accident. 

From a personal perspective, that's not bad, if you don't mind having car accidents.

From a social perspective, a person having a car accident is perfectly normal. But 100,000 accidents a day, when there were none before?

I'll attach an image from a paper posted upthread.

My asumption about of being 0.1% for everyone is way off. It is an order of magnitude worse than that.

So yes, we must certainly do something about it based on the simplest assesment using best case scenarios.

Want to talk long term? For all we know this virus repeats and gets worse with every iteration. It could be a real mankind killer and we wouldn't know it until 2 or 3 years from now.

The answer is erradication like the advance countries in the world have done.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 12, 2020, 10:23:31 PM »
Well that was a random angle. It is a known medical condition as pointed out.

The voice sounds oddly familiar somehow... (and yes someone is  ;) ).

Science / Re: 2020 Mauna Loa CO2 levels
« on: October 11, 2020, 07:04:02 PM »
Last year next week had an average of 408.3 ppm. An annual increase of 2.8 ± 0.3 ppm should be expected.

Sunday evening - time to post the latest CO2 concentration from NOAA (Mauna Loa)

Week beginning on October 4, 2020:     411.05 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago:              408.33 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago:           386.98 ppm
Last updated: October 11, 2020

The annual increase is 2.72 ppm. This value is again higher than the 10y average (2.41 ppm/a).
We are now in the seasonal minimum. The values were very smooth and didn't change within this week.

The next week of last year had an average of about 408.6 ppm. I expect an annual increase of 2.6 ± 0.25 ppm.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 02, 2020, 10:02:11 AM »
1. It is a commonly used technique by dictators to fake their own deaths and then emerge victorious. So take Trump's positivity with a grain of salt. He is probably doing it to gain support. Edit: Look at how all the media and even the military is going all out to make sure we KNOW Trump has Coronavirus. I'm certain he is faking it.

2. How is it justice if he gets Coronavirus? Even at his age he probably will be out and about in a week or two. Justice would be to put him in prison for the rest of his miserable life for the deaths and economic loses that his continual lying and cheating caused.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 01, 2020, 08:28:34 PM »
I'm betting it's easier to become a member of the ASIF than to become an MD.

Consequences / Re: Floods
« on: September 22, 2020, 07:00:04 AM »
I think you live in north-west Florida Tor. There's flooding in Florida because of 'stalled' tropical storm Sally. Are you okay?
I live right above the 'armpit' of Florida, called the "Big Bend" when tourists are listening.  I had 125 mm (5") of rain in 36 hours plus several 10-20 mm days before and after, due to Sally.  No flooding in my neck of the woods, but our neighborhood dirt/gravel road did get a bit rutted.  (We've certainly see worse.)  My papaya tree fell down, though, top heavy with fruit and sodden soil.  Its leaves seem to be perfectly happy, but most of the fruit broke off - about half the roots are still in the ground.

Thanks for your concern.  Pensacola, which did get some rain, is about 325 km (200 miles) to my west.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 28, 2020, 05:06:13 PM »
Interesting Mortality study on COVID in U.S.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 26, 2020, 03:15:11 PM »
There are many studies that show higher levels of vitamin D are associated with a stronger immune system. There are zero studies showing that taking vitamin D supplements leads to a stronger immune system, despite attempts.
I literally linked to a paper that referenced MULTIPLE STUDIES in the post before yours.

I do believe Norway also had a proportionately LOWER mortality but SAME morbidity in 1918-1919 as Maryland (Bergen v. Baltimore study) due to Vit D supplementation in the diet at the time (which continues today).

The rest / Re: Cli Fi
« on: August 23, 2020, 07:44:59 PM »
Analog September/October 2020 Vol. CXXXX No. 9 & 10
has a short story THE WRITHING TENTACLES OF HISTORY, Jay Werkheiser set 67 million years in the future in a world where octopi have evolved a scientific civilization in the wake of the Sixth Mass Extinction caused by AGW. They debate whether humans were intelligent.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 13, 2020, 08:04:54 PM »
(When I recreated my account 2 days ago, I did it with the intention of explaining more thoroughly my reason for leaving this site. The comment did not pass moderation and I am fine with that. Below is a condensed version.)

1. I was attracted to this site in 2013 by its grounding in science.
2. I am dismayed by persons on this thread for whom I had developed a great deal of respect who have abandoned all science in arguing how inconsequential this disease is.
3. This has caused me to question in a very personal way why I come here.

I hope this comment passes muster.

<I think you are wrong on count 2. Neven chose a category in his description. The actual detail was not really important because it was more about the media in general. One problem is that we make a division when someone foregrounds an issue and then people focus on the less important part as intended by the poster.

If we would all be on voice comms you can ask quick questions to clarify. Here we can´t but we can ask slow questions before jumping to conclusions.

This is a general point not for SH per se.

Thank you Kassy for allowing this comment to post.

As for point 2, I am dismayed.

I did not single out Neven and, if I had the time or inclination, (I don't) I could go back into this thread and find numerous persons who have dismissed the data and argued for a ridiculously low IFR and dismissed the science that points to serious health problems for many who recover from the virus, the kinds of health problems you never find from persons who have recovered from the flu.

At any rate, the three numbered points above stand. They accurately and succinctly summarize exactly where I am. While I suspect this is my last comment on this site, I will not hastily delete the account this time. This will allow me to reconsider this decision in the future.

Everyone - Take care and stay safe.

<Another general comment: The main interest for this site is the Arctic ice. You can ignore huge parts of this site and still do things. Or even read AGWiG/C and just ignore covid. kassy>

Glaciers / Re: Norway glacier retreat 2007 - 2013
« on: August 11, 2020, 03:00:15 PM »
Thanks a lot RC. Those were not my specific interests back then... the visit was part of a general tour of Scandinavia. But interesting nonetheless of course.
It seems my memory is somehow wrong. I remember the name Briksdal well, but either we visited another branch of the glacier system, or I remember the approach to the glacier and not the location itself.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 10, 2020, 01:34:13 PM »
The secret to Sweden's "sucess" was compliance. Distancing, hand hygiene, very nice outdoor temperature for the last few months allowing people to comply. Unity of purpose. They have mature, informed population who kept their distance.
Yes. It's not just about population density distribution and single households. An important factor is the prevalence of stupidity, a disease far less common in Skandinavia (and parts of Asia).

(Returning to Germany after a few weeks in Finland or Sweden is like a return to the planet of apes. Even in Germany, the Swedish "model" (Covid euthanasia) won't work.)

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 10, 2020, 12:12:43 AM »
Imagine this was ignored by the media and governments and healthcare providers.

I didn't say ignore. I was implying an amount of attention that is in proportion to other diseases. Something like a very bad influenza year, and then some more because it's novel. It hasn't merited, and still doesn't merit, to be presented as a silent serial killer zombie virus plague that will kill everybody who is not a paranoid, hypochondriac germophobe, trying to live forever.

In 100 days, SARS-CoV-2 has received more attention than AGW in 20 years. That's not normal or rational. That's mass psychosis, and it's dangerous.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: July 20, 2020, 08:57:37 PM »
Luxembourgish Covid joke. We can get a free Covid test if we have reserved an hotel abroad.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 27, 2020, 10:22:35 PM »
Crazy thought, but is this virus making people stupid? Is being a covidiot a symptom of the illness?

All people are stupid. The only difference between people is that some know this and others don't.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 19, 2020, 08:20:50 PM »
OMG, i'm stupid. ;D

I thought it was aimed at the quality of the article.

I thought so too. What a shitty thing to say.  ;)

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 19, 2020, 07:27:32 PM »
OMG, i'm stupid. ;D

I thought it was aimed at the quality of the article.

Thanks, guys!

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 19, 2020, 07:20:34 PM »

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 19, 2020, 07:14:03 PM »
Humor !  Covid humor.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 12, 2020, 09:54:53 PM »
It started in February in Pakistan, and in the last weeks it started to run out of control. Did they had a lockdown, if it would be possible at all.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 10, 2020, 03:20:41 PM »
Some genetics work on how the virus came to the UK finds lot of imports.

They found the UK's coronavirus epidemic did not have one origin - but at least 1,356 origins. On each of those occasions somebody brought the infection into the UK from abroad and the virus began to spread as a result.

Only 0.1% were from China, and 3% from the US, with the vast majority from Europe. To have prevented large scale importation, travel from Italy would have had to be shut down by mid-Feb, travel from Spain by the beginning of March, and travel from France by mid-March.

The notorious football match between Liverpool and Atletico Madrid on 11 March was found to have had a negligible effect.


And for Scotland.

At least 113 introductions, the first of which was by someone that travelled to Italy for a rugby match.

The outbreak from the Nike conference in Edinburgh on 26-27 Feb, spanned 4 continents and 10 countries from Ecuador to Australia as well as multiple cases in Scotland.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 02, 2020, 09:45:44 AM »
Norway is a petro-state which subsidizes the welfare of its citizens at the cost of the entire planet's future

Other petro-states subsidize the welfare of their billionaires at the cost of the entire planet's future, right?

So is it really free or is everyone on this forum indirectly paying for it?

Do you think it needs a petro-state for free healthcare? Think again.

BTW, RC was referring to free as in "free of charge at service". Not your black and white definition of "free".

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 20, 2020, 11:56:43 PM »

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 15, 2020, 02:29:58 PM »
I don't use this word lightly, but here we go: The US president is a bloody retard!

Trump calls coronavirus testing overrated', if US didn't test 'we'd have very few cases'

"So we have the best testing in the world," claimed Trump. "It could be the testing’s, frankly, overrated? Maybe it is overrated. But whatever they start yelling, we want more, we want more. You know, they always say we want more, we want more because they don’t want to give you credit."

Link >>

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 27, 2020, 05:24:22 PM »
In Spain the fatalities must be multiplied by 1.5 to 2.0 due to underreporting of deaths without test taken, seems reasonable from the mortality anomaly I myself posted here and from the NYT article. I'll take the lower bound.
The last number I heard from health department was that for each case there might be fifteen not reported (news below 20 days ago...). Not sure how accurate was that but:

Spain: Deaths: 23521 Cases: 229422
Unofficial: 23521*1.5 = 35281 Cases 229422*16 = 3670752 (8% population)
Rate = 35281/3670752 = 0.96%

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 16, 2020, 09:10:47 PM »
I'm devastated to hear of the death [from COVID-19] of Sir John Houghton, former Chief Executive of the Met Office who set up the Hadley Centre & was instrumental in founding the IPCC.

Without the early work of people like him, there probably wouldn't be an ASIF. We would be clueless about what's in store for us.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 16, 2020, 08:52:58 PM »
Via Richard Betts:

I'm devastated to hear of the death [from COVID-19] of Sir John Houghton, former Chief Executive of the Met Office who set up the Hadley Centre & was instrumental in founding the IPCC.


Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 16, 2020, 04:48:00 PM »
It doesn't really matter if the Dutch blood donor data is 100% or only 85% accurate. 3% infected population is very far from herd immunity meaning countermeasures and additional epidemic waves will keep us company for some time. This is gonna be a long ride.

A long ride will probably mean civilisational collapse, as fear and insecurity, incessantly pumped up by the media, will prevent people from being the consumers they were conditioned to be. Consumerism is a central pillar of our current global system. It could transition to something more resilient (if the lessons of this crisis are heeded), but it will take years, if not decades. It will collapse if everyone's eyes are glued to statistics (with no context), and fear and panic are used for ratings and to make sure people obey the installed measures.

The angle of the narrative will have to change, something along the lines of: 'Yes, this is a terrible new disease, but there are many of those. People are dying, but they are mostly very old and have comorbidities. And besides, 150 thousand people die every day. Death is a part of life. It's true that people die before their time, but on average perhaps a few months, not years, and certainly not 10 years. The only thing that really matters in all this, is that we prevent a collapse of our health care systems, and so we need to do as much as we can, but we must not be afraid, because we cannot afford to be in lockdown much longer.'

The psychological effect of this disease is much more dangerous than the disease itself.

I hope that Sweden will be (relatively) successful, that warmer temperatures do turn out to reduce the spread of the virus, and that ending lockdowns doesn't lead to new exponential rises (with everyone becoming paralysed, staring at stats). This will buy time to build out extra hospital capacity and train personnel, to deal with the next waves, as with influenza. And then I hope that some of the lessons this crisis is teaching us, will come through.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 12, 2020, 09:16:59 AM »
wiki, etienne - c'mon, your both smarter than this. ...

Quote from: wili
... all I ask is that you back up that claim with reliable data. Thanks 

I gave you the link to the CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) in reply #5323, (see also below) which I normally consider to be somewhat reliable (... say, versus Fox News). It requires reading the report at the link. 


Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR)

... hospitalization rate among patients identified through COVID-NET during this 4-week period was 4.6 per 100,000 population. Rates were highest (13.8%) among adults aged ≥65 years. Among 178 (12%) adult patients with data on underlying conditions as of March 30, 2020, 89.3% had one or more underlying conditions; the most common were hypertension (49.7%), obesity (48.3%), chronic lung disease (34.6%), diabetes mellitus (28.3%), and cardiovascular disease (27.8%).


Quote from: etienne
... I have a problem with the fact that we have a sum that is over 100%. ... If obesity brings hypertension, diabete and cardiovascular problems, the 3 together are at 106%, it doesn't mean anything for obesity that is at 48%.

Consider the possibility that a person can have more than one illness or condition at the same time ... See definition of: comorbidity

Quote from: etienne
...Furthermore obesity is not a sickness.  ...

Au contraire! ...

Mayo Clinic: Diseases & Conditions: Obesity

... Obesity is a complex disease involving an excessive amount of body fat. Obesity isn't just a cosmetic concern. It is a medical problem that increases your risk of other diseases and health problems, such as heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure and certain cancers.


Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 08, 2020, 04:54:59 PM »
Where Have All the Heart Attacks Gone?

This extract seems pertinent?

The most concerning possible explanation is that people stay home and suffer rather than risk coming to the hospital and getting infected with coronavirus. This theory suggests that Covid-19 has instilled fear of face-to-face medical care. As a result, many people with urgent health problems may be opting to remain at home rather than call for help. And when they do finally seek medical attention, it is often only after their condition has worsened.

I was certainly hesitant before attending Bodmin Community Hospital for a pre-arranged chest X-ray last week. On my way to reception I passed a door labelled "Isolation. Do not enter". Mine was the only mask I saw during my visit.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 02, 2020, 09:10:54 PM »
Welcome, neighbor ...


New Yorkers Fleeing City Face Fear and Hostility From Upstate Neighbors

As New York City has become the center of the coronavirus crisis in the United States many citizens, especially wealthier ones, have fled the city to second homes or rentals – but they have been met with hostility, fear and blame for potentially spreading the illness.

The flood of potentially disease-bearing city folk into countryside communities has even seen threats of violence and pleas from local politicians for them to stay away.

In Rensselaer county, a three-hour drive north of New York City, “many, many, many” people have recently arrived, the county executive, Steve McLaughlin, told the Guardian.

“They’re coming up and they’re occupying hotel rooms, Airbnbs, that type of thing,” McLaughlin said.

Rensselaer county had 51 cases as of Tuesday, McLaughlin said, “seven at least that are direct from New York City”.

... “You get a lot of people who are just plain scared who say: ‘Keep them out, keep them out,’” McLaughlin said.

... “Put the National Guard right at the damn Hudson River or other points, nobody crosses that line,” wrote one commenter.

... To the east of New York City, towns in the Hamptons – a traditional escape for wealthy city dwellers – have seen their populations surge. Southampton has seen its population grow in recent weeks from 60,000 to 100,000.

In some area of the Hudson Valley and in the Catskills, north of New York City, rental prices have quadrupled as people flee the city.


... reminds me of the first chapter of 'Earth Abides'


Armed Neighbors Cut Down Tree to Block Man's Driveway Because They Thought He Had Coronavirus

With a population of 1,165 people at the last census, the small town of Vinalhaven doesn't often make national news. Located on an island off the coast of Maine, the town known for its lobster is now an example of the dangers of fear and misinformation during a pandemic.

On March 27, a man went to leave his home on Cripple Creek Road after noticing his cable service was down. When he got to the end of his road, he found a tree blocking the end of it, but when he went to check it out, a neighbor started yelling at him.

He went inside and called the police, reporting that several people with guns had cut down the tree and were telling him and his two roommates, who had moved to the island from out of state a month ago, they needed to stay quarantined. When police arrived, the group had dispersed, but officers said in a press release the tree appeared to have been cut down and dragged into the roadway to block it.

"We are concerned that some believe that anyone from out of the state is potentially infected [with COVID-19] and needs to be quarantined," the Knox County Sheriff's office said in a release. “We want to bring to the public's attention the matter of restricting a person's movements within the state. Whether someone is a Maine resident or not, they have the right to free movement and anyone who infringes upon that free movement is potentially violating the law.”

(...and this is only month 2; Lord help them if they had the flu!)



Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 02, 2020, 07:11:56 AM »
Would the esteemed posters here not take everything so personally??
It is possible to have different opinions, even in a matter as heavy and important as the coronavirus issue.
Pietkuip and GrubbenGrabben are representing their government's position quite faithfully.  They are entitled to it, once the experiment is over we can see who was right. All sides should state their opinions clearly and with as little emotion as possible, or the discussion here will generate further.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 27, 2020, 07:41:24 PM »
Quarantine in India. That will work.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 25, 2020, 12:06:10 PM »
COVID-19, confinement, American version. Super-spreading live: (source Google "flight visualizer live and scroll down" )

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 23, 2020, 10:53:56 AM »
Also keep in mind, and this is something that is rarely mentioned, if at all: the general health of a population. It's clear that for decades now, western populations have been degenerating due to bad/addictive nutrition. I hardly know any people who feed their children well, and my heart cries when I stand in line at the supermarket and see what people have in their carts. It is also a fact that soils are being depleted by industrial agriculture, and thus fruits and vegetables contain less and less natural nutrients.

If younger people in the US are hit hard, it's because of things like high-fructose corn syrup, energy drinks and junk food. Not because of COVID-19.

The same, BTW, goes for old people. They are less degenerated because they were probably fed well when they were young, especially if they lived outside of cities. But most old people eat lots of sugary stuff, and then take pills to compensate. A lot of them smoke (my father was killed by Big Tobacco last year, after 60 years of loyal service).

This is why Italy is hit hard. Not because of COVID-19.

So, the big question is what will be learned from all this. Two options:

1) Develop a vaccine or medicine for COVID-19, so that the circus may continue.
2) Make populations more resilient by making them more healthy. To do that, you need to understand why populations have degenerated so much. If you think it all the way through, the answer is: To increase concentrated wealth.

Stop the limitless increase of concentrated wealth, and the population may become healthier and more resilient.

Stop the limitless increase of concentrated wealth, and you can reduce hyper-globalisation and put a stop to Coronavirus capitalism, and a host of other interconnected global crises.

Which lesson will be learned?

Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 22, 2020, 11:26:21 PM »
A friend just phoned from his pizza restaurant in a mall in Hamilton. He was locking up when done with our conversation. He'd been open for less than a year.

Zero walklin customers today and no capacity to maintain his payroll. Everyone was terminated so that they could immediately apply for unemployment.

In 5 days his mall has gone from 184 businesses to 6 - now 5.

He closed his other location in Kitchener last Wed.

The Neapolitan Pizza he's been offering for a little over two years is new to the Canadian market.
They're wonderful when fresh but don't travel well.
Pizza as health food - who woulda thunk it.

This was his first attempt at business and he was doing well, if not spectacularly well. He expressed concern over his employees futures as well as his own. None of them have anything to fall back on, and he expects that his credit has been ruined. His 25 year old BMW is looking it's age & needs work.

He's young, healthy and bright as hell - but he put his heart into the business & his heart is broken. He expects to live with his sister. They've 2 youngsters and have use for a live in sitter.

We spent the best part of an hour online. I'd no idea what to say other than encouraging niceties. Platitudes that don't placate.
What do you say to someone who has called to say that they've lost their dream?

Calls like this are being made all over the world. Whenever you see a boarded up window someone's dream was crushed.

Sad Times

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 20, 2020, 10:43:35 PM »
How many hamsters did you buy?

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 17, 2020, 11:31:09 PM »
From here in the UK....

To me (alone it appears?) it apears that the gods/fates are pretty pizzed at the selfissh, I ,Me,Mine, mentality which seems to be now 'deep rooted' in Society and so 'WE' are now being given a radical work over by 'Nature' Herself?

How many 'Socialist Actions' are now being rolled out, only 3 months away from a thumping 80 seat majority for the "I ,Me,Mine" mentality surely needed for such a result? How do such voters reconcile their choice on Dec 12th with the 'Reality' now (apparently?) needed?

All the folk whining for "Get Brexit Done" are now getting a real time view of just what such ' Splendid Isolation' means (prior to our severing contacts with our European Partners on Jan 1st?) to the UK?

All the folk who ignored the disabled/unemployed now face 'living' under their 98 quid a week reality....... (eat yer oats guys & all will be well!!!!)

The ''silent move' to a majority of rented accomodation now comes front and centre as folk try and make their '98 Quid' cover rent and 'leccy/gas/food'......

We may have been 'whining ,annoying voices' in the recent past but now 'Millions' will face our 'fate'..... for months beyond their 'repossession' date.....

And mortgages?

We saw in the 80's how 'compassionate' such comps were (and the millions left in negative equity for decades?)

All the folk 'turning their backs' on the 130,000 'needless'  dead since 2010 are now losing their shiite about 71 dead!!!!!!

Get Real folks!!!

You, over the past ten years.; have voted for 'YOU' alone......time to think of 'OTHERS'?

'They've done it to us' (whilst you wilfully ignored?) now they'll do it to you (and your loved ones!!!) be sure of it!!!


EDIT: Maybe ALL that a 'Corbyn Govt' promised suddenly appears more 'humane' now eh?

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 16, 2020, 08:48:56 PM »

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 15, 2020, 03:15:15 PM »
Blumenkraft, your attack on greylib is uncalled for and unjustified. I suggest to delete it.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 15, 2020, 10:58:02 AM »
It is difficult to do the right thing. Many families in Norway are fleeing the city, working remotely from their cabins in the countryside.

But now the government is ordering them to return to their homes, because this would overwhelm healthcare in the countryside, where the average age is higher. If necessary by force (civil defense forces).

Wow. I don't think the preppers were prepared for that.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 13, 2020, 10:10:33 AM »
This is not new, and I don't remember if anyone quoted this, but great statistical analysis of possible Iranina cases (at least 0,5 million but possibly many more they say and it is convincing):

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 11, 2020, 07:59:29 PM »

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 10, 2020, 11:11:08 PM »
According to the liar mike Pence there are a million tests available. At the same time, the healthcare workers are the Life Care facilities with symptoms are still waiting for tests.

They will keep the ruse going. They will keep not testing. At this point, I'm convinced they are somehow botching post mortems to hide coronavirus deaths as unknown deaths.

Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 10, 2020, 09:29:00 PM »
Well Russia as a defender of free market capitalism, who'd a thunk it?

Great joke if I might say so. Russia and free markets should not really be in the same sentence. Ever. (I studied in Moscow, I have first hand experience)

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 10, 2020, 09:10:48 PM »
Coronavirus, 1000 lung ventilators ready for Italy from China

China is preparing to send massive aid to Italy. As far as we learn, in a phone call between the Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio and his counterpart Wang Yi, this morning it was discussed the opportunity to start a great health and technological cooperation between the two countries in favor of Italy, which now is facing the coronavirus emergency with great difficulties. Beijing has said it is willing to send 100,000 high-tech masks and 20,000 protective suits to Italy, as well as 50,000 swabs to carry out new diagnostic tests in Italy.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 10, 2020, 07:26:10 PM »

I named this a "side effect" because consequences go far beyond the direct lethality and demographic impact of the virus, which was the main point of my post.

In the UK the 'side effect of a right wing regime for 10 years is 17,000 less beds and 48,000 nurses short with 'corridors' routinely used for treatment even when not facing a pandemic!!!!

It has nothing to do with a right wing government. It's because you guys are globalist consumers that want to have everything as cheap as possible. And for that you send all your money to the rest of the planet. And if your government would not print money day and night. You would not even have a health care sector. You would be as poor as the poorest state in India.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 09, 2020, 11:24:24 PM »
Article in the swedish paper Aftonbladet.

It's too late for Italy
The professor doesn't think the giant quarantine will help.

- It's a disaster in Italy. It is too late for them to stop the infection in the country now. There will be more and more infected. Some younger ones will get severe infections, but the vast majority will be healthy. Among the elderly, those over 75-80, quite a few will die, says Agnes Wold, professor in clinical bacteriology.

She fears that health care in Italy can be forced back to a level far below what we are used to today.

- They can be forced to shut down ordinary operations except the most important ones. They have to change completely to be able to cope with those who have severe corona infection and difficulties to breathe. Even though there is a small risk for the individual, there are very many people that must be taken care of right away. It's a horrible scenario and it will be that way until we get a drug for corona, and eventually a vaccine.

- 90 percent of cases in Sweden are Italian travelers. It says a bit about the situation in Italy.

n.b. Current cases in Sweden: 261.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: February 26, 2020, 06:34:36 AM »
This site has been mentioned previously, but this thread has grown quite a bit since then.  With the outbreak breaking to so many different countries, this page gives a great overview, with highlighted changes.  I believe it is updated 2x per day, might be more.

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