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Consequences / Re: Origins of COVID-19
« on: January 05, 2021, 08:48:29 PM »
Ah, now censorship. :-*

First was attack the messenger, now just censorship of peer-review papers.  "move the discussion".

Nice, one @Oren.  Not wholly unexpected, however.

Certainly, University of Austria would disagree, because that is the institutional affiliation of main author of the previous study.   With 14 peer-review studies, and a full professor of Microbiology.

 8)

No, not censorship. There are topics for a reason. Origin is not relevant to discussion of status, impacts and treatment.

I appreciate the minds here that share the information available. I also appreciate evidence of origin, but this is not the place for it.

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That still leaves the emissions from.
Steel, Cement , Shipping, Air transport , Mining and Agriculture.
I doubt anyone alive today will live to see net zero.

And, I have yet to see anyone detail how the military will deal with not having these produced at the rate they can be with fossils until we have fully electrified all of the economy.  No military is going to give up it's industrial backing.  Production /volume/ is a strategic asset, not just the ability to ramp up production.

As long as humans are competitive, those fossils won't stay in the ground. IMO.

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Consequences / Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« on: December 16, 2020, 02:50:17 PM »
Earth may be even closer to 1.5°C of global warming than we thought

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2262953-earth-may-be-even-closer-to-1-5c-of-global-warming-than-we-thought

Global carbon emissions may have warmed Earth by 18 per cent more than previously thought, raising the prospect of the world having less time than expected to meet the goals of the Paris Agreement and avoid catastrophic climate change.

The global average temperature is thought to have climbed about 1.07°C since the industrial revolution, up from a previous estimate of 0.91°C. This update brings all three of the world’s key temperature data sets in line, suggesting the true temperature rise is at the upper end of previous ranges.

The finding means governments may have less time to curb carbon emissions to hold the temperature rise to 1.5°C or 2°C under the Paris deal, and current estimates of future warming may rise too.

“Climate change hasn’t suddenly got worse. It’s just our estimate of how much warming has taken place has improved,” says Tim Osborn at the University of East Anglia, UK, who today published a paper with Met Office colleagues on the fifth update to the data, known as the Hadley Centre Climatic Research Unit Temperature (HadCRUT5).

[...]

It is notable how closely these three independent data sets now resemble one another, says Kate Marvel at Columbia University, New York, who wasn’t involved in Osborn’s paper.

The change was overdue, say climate scientists. “Honestly, many of us have long recognised that the HadCRUT data set underestimated the warming,” says Michael Mann at Pennsylvania State University.

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Science / Re: Where are we now in CO2e , which pathway are we on?
« on: September 13, 2020, 02:27:30 PM »
I don't presume to speak for nanning.

But again I would point out that humans have devised thousands of different ways to live in the world without destroying it, and presumably there are countless more ways.

Global civilization seems to have hit on the one way to live in the world that destroys most other forms of life as well as disrupting the systems that support said life.

Our most desperate need is to rediscover a culture/way of life that fosters rather than obliterates the rest of the living community.

Any ideas? :)

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Science / Re: Where are we now in CO2e , which pathway are we on?
« on: September 13, 2020, 07:39:08 AM »
Quote from: wdmn
Back on this old nonsense eh nanning?
Nanning's logic -- as has been discussed elsewhere ad nauseam -- presumes

That's not my logic you describe wdmn. That's your logic projected onto me.
I won't react further to your unkind words and charges.
Main point is: high technology comes with high responsibility and we are not alone on this planet and this planet is not ours to spoil.

edit: added quotes

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Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: September 11, 2020, 08:55:27 PM »
Alaska's Salmon Are Getting Smaller
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/08/shrinking-salmon-alaska-fish
.......

E. P. Palkovacs, et.al., Recent declines in salmon body size impact ecosystems and fisheries, Nature Communications, 2020
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17726-z

As a commercial salmon fisher on the Yukon River (in Canada) since 1984, I, and all other fishers, have been acutely aware of this phenomenon since the 1980s.
Because we, both indigenous and non-indigenous fishers alike, typically had low levels of academic qualifications, our observations were resolutely discounted and disparaged by fisheries scientists for years and years.
We are still being ignored: It has always been obvious to us that the prime driver of the loss of the larger salmon has been size-selective fishing, undertaken of multiple salmon generations.
And yet, in this article, fishing is not identified as a driver because they had insufficient data.
They could have set a precedent and asked fishers.
Fishers selectively harvested the largest salmon for all the reasons that the largest salmon are identified as being important in the article.
This effect on salmon size is, in human life terms, permanent.
We have not only literally decimated the stocks, we have driven a permanent phenological change.
We could so easily have taken action, and fishers did, on multiple occasions, propose fishing methods to reverse the trend, before it was too late, but the proposals were not deemed sufficiently science based.
Unlike the scientific management that is driving the stocks to extinction.
We call it #ManagingToZero.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: August 19, 2020, 10:08:56 PM »
Some pretty incredible news from the North Pole today!

Below, is a photograph taken from the Polarstern at 12:45 pm on August 19, 2020 as the ship reached the North Pole. There are lots of melt ponds, and the ice that is left looks very thin.
<snip>

https://www.awi.de/en/about-us/service/press/press-release/mosaic-expedition-reaches-the-north-pole.html

Wow, that ice is rotten. And as @gerontocrat says, that can't really be considered compacted, even if there are no big leads between the floes. That's a lot of melt ponds and rotten ice, and contrary to what @freegrass was saying, I don't think this state of compaction prevented much of July's solar insolation from getting into the water when such a high proportion is meltponds.

A high proportion of the solar energy would've passed right through those melt ponds and into the water, and the damage the sun caused is gobsmacking.

Now we get so see what happens if these wind events disrupt the water layers enough to bring heat up and cause more bottom melting, or if they're too late in the season.

Either way, it looks like huge swaths of the central pack are now rotten ice <50cm. Can you imagine what one more week of sunshine would've done?

Whatever ice survives this year will have done so by the skin of its teeth.



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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: August 14, 2020, 10:21:24 PM »
mountains & molehills

Guess people are the same everywhere... Humans are humans after all.

I like the scientific and intelligent vibe the forum gives whenever I visit it. It feels like a special place to be. But there are fairly few threads that I regularly check. Mostly to get updates on Arctic ice.

Then just out of interest I read this thread here too, and, you see the other side as well. So why not use that scientific mindset as an inspiration to approach any topic in life? It shouldn't abandon you once you exit some of the 'comfortable' topics, where you are used to using it.

And if anyone is close to losing their heads, remember that we are all just a speck of dust on a cosmic arena. Our in-fighting fades into insignificance in the grand scheme of spacetime.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 14, 2020, 02:12:29 AM »
The other main thrust from Neven is his theory that a lot of the hysterical Covid publicity is part of some sort of Illuminati conspiracy.

In my own defence - and I wish had more time to reply to comments, especially the twisting and slandering - but the Illuminati conspiracy stuff is wrong. That's not what I'm pushing at all. What I always say, is that the number one goal of the current global system is to increase concentrated wealth. That's not because there's some occult cabal conspiring to do so, but because this is simply what happens when wealth reaches a certain size and level of concentration. It takes over, and then increasingly worse things happen, until it destroys itself and the cycle begins anew.

Kassy, i have no idea what you are trying to say here. The fact is, Neven displayed gross disregard of science, committed victim-blaming, expressed misanthropy, makes this a political issue, deliberately posts fake news, disregards the valid fear of people to become sick or die, and downplays the implications of the virus.

Everything you wrote here, is either untrue or an exaggeration. Apparently, you are stuck in fighting-fascism-mode so much that just one small trigger is enough to convince you that you are dealing with 'The Enemy', and your reading comprehension goes down the drain. Or maybe you're just trolling to break this forum.

Either way, I thought that making you a moderator would make you less combative, authoritarian and annoying. Having to take on different roles can broaden one's horizon by empathizing with other perspectives, leading to further levels of understanding and wisdom. You, however, remain stuck in very simplistic and naive Us vs Them antagonisms, with no deeper analysis, wider overview or vision to speak of. Just the gut lashing out, a bit like a Trump supporter.

So, how about I revoke those moderator rights, and you can just be yourself, without having to take on a responsibility you're not cut our for?

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All this shouldn't happen on a scientifically oriented forum. He drove away valued community members by doing so.

The only scientifically oriented part of this forum is the one about Arctic sea ice. That was the intended goal of this whole thing. It's the only thing that makes this forum valuable. The rest is BS that can be found all over the Internet.

Members who don't understand this, who don't understand how the Internet works, and clutch their pearls and walk off indignantly when Neven says a minor virus doesn't deserve this amount of hype, are not valued. They need to stop putting me on a pedestal and extrapolating my work on Arctic sea ice to all my other opinions. I'm just some idiot.

And if they can make an effort to actually understand what I'm trying to stay, instead of letting it get stuck in filters and projections, that'd be great. No need to twist my words so that it can be dismissed as nazi covidiot conspiracy stuff.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 10, 2020, 06:00:30 PM »
Some people have been trying to find the one thing that accounts for why some countries were more successful than others at controlling covid.

This article claims that there is no one thing. Any of a number of successes can be sufficient.

What doesn't work is doing basically everything wrong, and continuing to do nearly everything wrong for months, as the US seems to have done:

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The countries that fared better against COVID‑19 didn’t follow a universal playbook.

• Many used masks widely; New Zealand didn’t.
• Many tested extensively; Japan didn’t.
• Many had science-minded leaders who acted early; Hong Kong didn’t—instead, a grassroots movement compensated for a lax government.
• Many were small islands; not large and continental Germany.

Each nation succeeded because it did enough things right.

Meanwhile, the United States underperformed across the board, and its errors compounded. The dearth of tests allowed unconfirmed cases to create still more cases, which flooded the hospitals, which ran out of masks, which are necessary to limit the virus’s spread. Twitter amplified Trump’s misleading messages, which raised fear and anxiety among people, which led them to spend more time scouring for information on Twitter. Even seasoned health experts underestimated these compounded risks. Yes, having Trump at the helm during a pandemic was worrying, but it was tempting to think that national wealth and technological superiority would save America.

“We are a rich country, and we think we can stop any infectious disease because of that,” says Michael Osterholm, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. “But dollar bills alone are no match against a virus.”


(My formatting)

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/09/coronavirus-american-failure/614191/

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Science / Re: Beaufort Gyre Reversal and a Return to 1960's Level SIE
« on: July 31, 2020, 05:14:44 PM »
Hello Juan C Garcia, this is my first intervention on ASIF. I have decided to give up the crown of ASIF's oldest lurker ;). AbruptSLR had published this paper last year. It doesn't talk about BOE but it is nevertheless worrying. I hope it can help you. And if Bruce watches your updates every night before going to bed, I watch them every morning when I wake up.
ASIF is a wonderful place.  :)

quote:
"In a 2018 study, scientists have found that the amount of heat in the trapped warm layer in the Beaufort Gyre, a major Arctic Ocean circulation system north of Alaska, has doubled over the past 30 years. And, if the temperatures continue to spike, it could eventually spell trouble for the ice above."

https://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/feature/a-ticking-time-bomb-in-the-arctic/?fbclid=IwAR317B222eqL65aMwNhWkRlsYK00mAKtBDI0V2mirQWuGBMpsVD36nA_yVU

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Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 01, 2020, 10:53:26 PM »
Double-digging in the spring is good for at least three things:

1) Bury fresh manure and green cover crops well under root level
2) Bury warm topsoil at a deeper level to get the growing season started earlier
3) Bring fresh deep soil to the surface to help seed germination

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 02, 2020, 01:31:49 AM »
...
I follow the statistics, projections and reports published daily by Swedish health authorities. As of today some new advice and recommendations regarding distancing on public transport and in supermarkets were published. It is now forbidden to visit care homes for the elderly.
...

Swedish bureaucracy at its worst. On Tuesday March 31 they finally decided that our elderly need to be protected. WOW!

For how long did they already know that C19 kills first of all the sick and elderly? First reports about this came in the beginning of February afaik. Statistics and scientifical evidence from Wuhan. More than 6 weeks were lost doing nothing to protect our most vulnerable groups.

Due to their negligence to react and to act in due time on evidence they had, those Swedish politicians and bureaucrats are actively killing our elderly.
Murderers they are.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 11, 2020, 07:59:29 PM »

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Some folks here tend to think that plenty of oil in the vicinity will get them through the transition. They currently use phrases like - don't listen to the doomsday sayers and the apocalypse crowd.

The fact is, if you have tended your garden carefully for a couple of decades, observed climate change affect various crops in good as well as bad years, you instinctly have a much better sense of what to do without oil, even when the shtf... It all comes down to choosing the right perennials, produce your own compost, sow the right seeds at the right time, know when to water, and when irrigiation excercises are futeless.

There is a risk of interference around harvesting time, but if you have good neighbours and multiple crops to pick from, you should be fairly safe for the time being. Particularly if your potential enemies haven' got a clue about anything seasonal, when it comes down to roots, fruits, nuts and vegetables.

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Science / Re: 2019 CO2 emissions
« on: December 15, 2019, 12:56:33 AM »
With 2019 emissions estimates now in, we’ve got updated mitigation curves with remaining carbon budgets. 

Bunny slopes to black diamonds in the last few decades.  2.0°C & 1.5°C targets.
What these graphs really show is that humanity blew up its last realistic chance of avoiding 1.5C back in 2000, and its last realistic chance of avoiding 2C back in 2010. If humanity starts mitigating now at a realistic(???) 4% per year, it will perhaps avoid 2.5C, perhaps 3C. And if humanity goes on with its ridiculously slow (but the real realistic) rate of mitigation (meaning emissions actually haven't even stopped growing), then 4C and 5C and 6C are the realistic outcomes.

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Walking the walk / Re: Zero-Carbon Farming and Living via the Acorn Path
« on: October 23, 2019, 06:47:57 PM »
The foraged food I could do around here (San Diego area) is nopal (Cactus).

It is quite tasty and we eat it often, but we buy it in local Mexican Markets.


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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: October 09, 2019, 03:11:39 AM »
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Matthew (@TorbsTalks) 10/6/19, 8:17 AM
It has been brought to my attention that @FatboySlim has mixed @GretaThunberg’s speech into “right here, right now” and it’s incredible
https://twitter.com/torbstalks/status/1180819459382169600
95-second concert-audience video at the link.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: July 12, 2019, 05:22:51 PM »
Ken,

What is needed is a rapidly accelerating level of annual capacity installations for renewables to be able to make a meaningful dent in fossil fuel usage, and thus GHG emissions. Instead, we have a relatively stable level of annual additions (with industry groups forecasting the same for a good few years out). This is failure, as it will not reduce GHG emissions. Increases in renewable energy are not offsetting increases in overall energy usage at the global level, the first hurdle that must be crossed.We have the odd country spurt from a low level (China being the last) and then as Bloomberg points out, growth rates rapidly flatten and stabilize.

Short of a major global recession, GHG emissions will not fall for many years without some fundamental policy changes to trigger a much faster shift. We can celebrate that solar and wind are getting cheaper every year, but the inertia in the energy system seems to be more of a match for that for the time being.Getting the same renewable bang for less bucks is failure when we need a lot more bang.


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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 03, 2019, 04:00:37 PM »
A simple technique to visualize 1-week changes in the pack was used before by others, consisting on using only two images (in this case UH AMSR2 Jun 25 and Jul 02) and smoothly transition from one to the other, ignoring the real variations.

What strikes me about this is -- well, a lot of things, really -- but in particular the devolution of the eastern Beaufort into a killing field and the continued development of the CAA/CAB crack. I've been somewhat skeptical that the crack would play out as a "real" feature rather than a temporary artifact caused by wind driving the ice. But even just an open/close boundary created by wind oscillations does retain a structural weakness.

If the east flank of the Beaufort collapses as dramatically as AMSR2 suggests it's about to, then there's every reason to expect that the same factors driving melt in the Beaufort can infiltrate along the structural instability of the crack. Indeed, while there are reasons to be suspicious of HYCOM's methodologies, their thickness map also shows propagation of melt along the CAA/CAB boundary, at least as far as Borden Island. HYCOM also appears to show separation along the west coast of Ellesmere, although I'm less convinced that has a counterpart in AMSR2.

Between Borden and Ellesmere is Ellef Ringnes Island, long considered the bastion of the "cold core" of the Arctic environment. The station on that island, Isachsen, consistently reported the coldest summers of all Arctic weather monitoring stations. Accordingly, Ellef Ringnes marked the western vertex of the "triangle" (broadly speaking: Ellef Ringnes - Cape Morris Jessup - North Pole) of protected ice with greater thickness and better tendency to oversummer.

Last year, we saw the right vertex of that triangle under attack when open water propagated along the north coast of Greenland from the east. If the Beaufort's collapse, couples with a CAA/CAB crack that originated as a wind effect but evolves into a melt feature, then we may very well see damage on the opposite side of what passes for a safe harbor for ice. We're a long way -- hopefully -- from that triangle of ice  actually melting out in its entirety (because that's effectively the same thing as a BOE). But nibbling away at its edges, especially in relatively novel ways, damages the integrity of the ice and reduces its ability to resist melting in later years.

In the meantime, this directly targets volume in a way that won't necessarily be reflected in area or extent measurements and exposes the normally secure reaches of the CAA to melting factors from the north. Nothing about this is good, even if it doesn't show in the bottom line metrics.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: February 24, 2019, 04:48:45 AM »


Now I wonder why so often the ox is preferred over the horse. What I found on the internets is a bit contradictory. The horse can exert more power in short time (in fact you can work them to death quickly - I've once seen one sweating like hell and almost collapsing after half an hour of timber pulling.). The ox is slower and can work longer (contradicted by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_collar ). I guess the major point today is the price. A horse collar nowadays is way more expensive than the simple ox yoke.


Back in the 1980s I found myself unemployed and at a loose end in the Yukon one fall. So I went to Edmonton where I heard there was plenty of work. I wound up getting an interview at a show jumping and dressage stable because I had a fair bit of experience working with horses (and dogs). The interview however took place in a dark stall where I was informed I had to be acceptable to the biggest animal I've ever seen that was not an elephant.
"Mosquito" was a Holstein ox that was taller than my 6 feet at the withers, and beef to the knees as they say and must have topped a ton easy.
In the dark, Mosquito rose and rose and rose to his feet in the way that anyone who has watched a cow stand up will recognize.
He snuffled me with his wet nose and I scratched him in the 18 inches of space between his eyes and thereby got the job.
I worked with him for six months, mostly mucking out horse stalls.
The advantages of an ox over a horse (which is really the point of this post) are that they have a really low gear- so they can shift a stupendous load at a really slow speed, and their patience- they are really happy to stand and chew the cud for ten or fifteen minutes while one shovels shit into the pick-up sized sledge he pulled.
The main reason Mosquito had a job was his emissions were non-toxic to the very expensive horseflesh whose shit we were hauling.
One day we got to haul a Mac truck out of the ditch in our lane way- very satisfying!

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Policy and solutions / Re: US Green New Deal
« on: February 12, 2019, 07:48:23 PM »
If the GND removed all agricultural subsidies in the US, and charged a realistic carbon tax (US$100+) and/or brought in personal carbon quotas, the level of change could be quite interesting. Would also give a break to farmers in many other countries, as they would stop being destroyed by subsidized US agriculture (the EU does very much the same of course). And of course, ban GMOs and do a RICO investigation of Monsanto/Bayer and other big ag. players.

That would be the basis of a real new deal.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: January 31, 2019, 12:19:12 PM »
I was talking to a utility administrator once and he said it costs about three times as much for new underground local utility lines compared to overhead lines. Further overhead lines don't have to be dug up for upgrades and repairs. California electric costs are already high but you want to dramatically increase them. Maybe you are swimming in money but for the rest of us costs matter. ultimately I expect california tax payers will end up footing the bill for those wildfires.

Mostly I know about the utilities in Washington state especially my local utility. I don't really know that much about utilities in areas other than Washington and california. Unfortunately national organizations tend to assume we are similar to california when we are nothing like them. We have much greater hydro resources and good wind but far less solar. Further we built new generation as needed rather than blocking new generation for decades then racing to build it all at once (at greater expense) when people finally realized they needed power. So I guess I am a bit touchy when people assume that californias utility problems represent the larger region. A few years back, after california passed a renewables bill, there was an similar initiative to get to I think it was 20% (I am not sure of exact numbers this is from memory) renewables on then some future date. It passed but since we were already around 60%(it varies for the different local PUD's) many decided to add that percentage of new renewables. Another article in the national news complained about when california passed some solar law and condemmed Washington for not doing the same. Solar is not ideal for the area so it didn't make that much sense. We did add a number of very large wind farms though.   

Five to ten years ago the local coal plant was running 24/7. Recently they shut down the coal plant nearby because it couldn't compete with renewables. While the loss of local jobs was a blow to the area other businesses are moving in. The local natural gas co-generation is less then fifteen years old and was built to supply base load power. While they haven't shut it down yet it is almost never running any more. This was accomplished by "repowering" one dam and adding turbines to an existing dam. Hydropower is now around 83.58%(2016) up from about 60% ten years ago.
 

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Policy and solutions / Re: Ships and boats
« on: January 03, 2019, 07:40:33 AM »

Rolls Royce & Finferries Put To Sea In An Autonomous Ferry
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The Falco used a combination of Rolls-Royce Ship Intelligence technologies to successfully navigate autonomously during its voyage between Parainen and Nauvo in the southwestern part of the country. It is equipped with a range of advanced sensors which allows it to build a detailed picture of its surroundings in real time and with a level of accuracy beyond that of the human eye according to a Rolls Royce press release. The vessel was able to avoid potential collisions along the route using sensor fusion and artificial intelligence.

The Falco is also equipped with an autonomous docking system that can reduce speed and guide the vessel to a safe and secure berth once it arrives at its destination. One additional advantage of the autonomous hardware and systems is that the vessel can be controlled remotely by a “virtual captain” at the Finferries operation center in the city of Turku, 50 kilometers away. The Falco made its way back to its point of origin by remote control. ...
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/01/02/rolls-royce-finferries-put-to-sea-in-an-autonomous-ferry/



WHY?
Terry

Fewer crew are required.The crew can be sitting in an office anywhere with an internet connection (such as a call centre in India) and each crew can remotely operate multiple vessels. Mines are doing the same thing now. It saves them a bundle.

Saving bundles may be the present cause celebre, but when has a bundle ever done anything for you? Are bundles endangered? Are bundles to be hoarded like squirrels save walnuts, stashed in the crotch of a rotting Elm?

To the One in the Cloud


Our Father who began with cards
Hallorith was the name
Then Windows came
And Intel's shame
Was backdoors open to hackers


With hackers now well embedded
Security is a farce
Your secrets open
Your codes broken
In Finland
As it is in Delhi


Give us this day
Our daily fix
But forgive us our incredulity
As we forgive those who disbelieve us
And deliver us not with Rolls Royce Robots
But with  properly captained ships.


Ramen
Terry :)

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Science / Re: ECS is 2.5
« on: October 19, 2018, 06:28:35 AM »
Re: "Say that 5% is the result of the CO2 feedback."

Mmm. Glacial-interglacial swing is a lot more than that. But, there are a lot of other things going on, so back to a vanNes type approach, for me, nyhoo.

I think  a lot of the difficulty in is imprecision of definition. We don't have an Earth where CO2 ppm increases by 1%/yr for seventy year. We don't have an Earth where we instantaneously double CO2, hold it there and see what happens in a thousand. So everything is in terms of hypothetical, modelled Earths. TCR, ECS and even ESS are what happens on these modelled Earths.

Meta: not on topic

In a larger view indicators like global mean surface temperature or climate sensitivities are of peripheral interest to me.

Since, here in the sidd Unalmighty world, we subject Gaia to multiple stressors, CO2 being just one. We use around a third of NPP, we hugely increase runoff impermeable surface, we establish monoculture and GMO crop to exclusion of else, we suck underground aquifers dry and mighty rivers, and poison both and kill oceans to boot. And many more stressors will occur to you.
 
Doom looms nigh. The threat that will overtake us first is not direct temperature increase but habitat collapse. Our habitat.

There's probably a thread for that discussion, but it is not here, so i'll shutup.

sidd

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The rest / Re: Poetry
« on: August 15, 2018, 05:22:48 AM »
Of all the courses I took in college/grad school creative writing/poetry was among my favorite. I'll post up what I got and see if it is at all decent:

 - In Retrospect -
   
Find a mirror,
a glass puddle amidst shattered pavement
filled with clear rain once pure,
now a flat gray of rejected oil and settled dust.

Let it bark back all of your impurities.
Everything seen is through a warped lens subjective,
a lens attempting to see only what it deems beautiful,
but your depressed reflection remains.

Image is a conglomeration of the positives and negatives
that have decided to remain and advance on the surface.
Unwilling to tell age,
but willing to expose the meaningless train wreck
of the life
of the mesmerized onlooker

Angry with that stark visual the broken road allowed you to see?
Bring the red inside your veins to a boil?
Good.
Those years of neglect cannot be hidden by the latest trend,
or past diet,
or last run,
or fake laugh.

Begin to let that fury build inside the toes
then lift through the lower extremities like a balloon
and burn the stomach
then explode with ferocity out of the wrists.

Now then a dribble of salt water
rises from two glowing white spheres
and warmly slips off the chin
and befriends the gray puddle with a slight pop.

Find temporary breath in the last drop of an exhausted bottle,
anger thrown in the direction of degrading
and not restoration.
Process has been accelerated.

Then build a smile at the quick realization
that what is seen is what has been willed
subconsciously,

a two dimensional reflection of what was desired all along.

So cherish that similar object eyeing you like a starving wolf
because,
that clone of you does not know
you,
or your experiences,
or your continual progression,
it,
is jealous, no longer questions,
it,
had the answer prior
and weeps with joy
as a result.

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