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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020/2021 freezing season
« on: October 09, 2020, 08:37:18 PM »
<snip> Open water during the polar night *is* the positive feedback, the ultimate cause of Arctic amplification.
   But surely increased Long wave radiation outward from the ocean does result in increase of energy exported out of the system into space.  Not all of it is captured in the atmosphere to contribute to Arctic amplification.  Therefore, to some extent open water ---> increased LWR ---> is to some degree a negative feedback that works to stabilize Arctic energy balance.

    Granted all that LWR does not immediately leave the system, and can cause intermediate effects such as warming the overlying blanket of air and water vapor along the way.  Thus, there are feedbacks within the larger open water --- LWR feedback.  But the net effect of greater LWR emission has to result in more energy leaving the system eventually, and thus to some degree serve as a negative feedback.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: December 06, 2019, 09:43:51 PM »
Is "try so desperately to silence us"
appropriate? OTT? or ... ?
I've seen this desperation on individual levels here in Germany. E.g. what once was a good old sweet hippie friend of mine turned into an elderly white male spitting bile, condescendingly calling her "Gretel", confessing his total intellectual and moral bankruptcy on Facebook. I had to slap him with Dietrich Bonhoeffer's essay on stupidity and left it there. Many elderly white alpha males are wailing in the agony of their intellectual-moral castration. It is a significant part of the population. Methinks the less one cares about them the better. Leave the sorry old clowns behind.

P.S.: Coincidentally Tom quotes a perfect example. "Religion" Hahaaaaaaahahahaha.....

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 17, 2019, 11:11:32 PM »
re 278: It matters to her that she travels at zero emissions it does not matter that much how the guy got the boat. Probably anyone with a boat contributed somewhat more then the average person anyway.

Do we know what she actually discussed with DiCaprio? I hope she talked to him a bit about his lifestyle but probably not in public.

Her mission needs publicity so she also had to go to some photo shoots for those magazine covers and all kind of weird stuff she would likely rather not do. And she is probably learning stuff about the world that people her age usually donĀ“t.

The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 09, 2019, 12:25:50 PM »
But the EU is also the sum of its nations and all the people enjoying the 4 freedoms

Ok, but this is ignoring that GB stalled the progression of the EU for decades.

Also, don't forget that they always had _more_ freedom than others. This kind of inequality is a burden IMHO.

and not only the burocracy in Brussles (which is comparably very small - e.g. similar in size to the administration of the city-state Hamburg).

Yes, for a community of 500mio... It is kind of amazing the right uses this as a talking point. But hey, there are enough idiots eating up that shit.

Thus EU lost a lot of time

There are resources spend on Brexit from the EU side, yes. But i think this point is overrated and is the same fallacy than the ' too much bureaucracy' one. You can only spend so much time on telling them 'no'.

and it is about to loose a very good democratic partner, which helped in the balance North vs. South, Celtic/Romanic vs. Germanic, liberalism - socialism and much more in EU. EU is loosing a lot, really.

Yeah, so democratic that they don't even have a constitution. That's very modern...

Unfortunately I think a remain would not help anymore anyway - to much have been broken and remain could be considered a fraud on both sides.

But GB will remain - one way or another. Even if there is a Brexit (which i doubt), they are not out! With a hard Brexit, a new agreement will be reached and when GB wants the EU as a trading partner they have to bow to all the requirements the EU sees fit. Because GB has become a toothless tiger. Just another dying empire. Nothing will change that fact.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 06, 2019, 09:10:53 AM »
Greta is having more impact than a few thousand political suits and overrated celebs going to yet another international wank feast where they talk for days and achieve nothing besides another thousand page toothless document of intent.

Greta has made us all take notice.

She has personally shifted the Overton window towards  doing something among hundreds of thousands of future voters . Many of the kids she has inspired will be voting towards action on AGW next election in your country as well as mine.

Greta takes AGW seriously and attempts to limit her carbon impact as much as humanly possible.
As such she has the right to fly, drive,sail  or whatever else she thinks she needs to do to achieve her goals .
Those that don't like it should get of their fat arses and achieve as much as she has .
Until they have they should shut the fuck up.

Excuse the swearing sometimes blunt truths need blunt language.


Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 16, 2019, 10:05:33 PM »
In the video, GT explains that she frequently calls or texts several climate scientists, including Anderson, in order to ensure that she doesn't make factual errors, and that they always respond quickly. Which is of course not "handling" in the sense of directing someone. It's only logical.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 01, 2019, 11:19:25 AM »
Sorry if I'm a bit persistent about asking you to think of human species as something different to human individuals. (I'll try to post a doc showing the difference between a bee hive and a bee as an individual).
It doesn't matters if you're wrong or right, but at certain  point we all love arguing about the sex of the Angels. When we all know they don't exist!!!
It is a social, very deeply attached, characteristic of us humans. The nicer speech (this involves a lot of speech's characteristics) will win social acceptation, giving a higher social status to the person who made it, even if he was just defending that all angels are female.
Greta is not as affected as the rest of us about this social behavioral primate's constriction. She wouldn't waist her time discussing Angel's sex. She's just telling what's important without a lot of the emotional restrictions the rest of us have.
Don't argue about angels and ACT!!!

Arctic sea ice / 2018 sea ice area and extent data
« on: January 04, 2018, 04:50:55 PM »
Here's a new thread to replace the 2017 version.

Have at it, spread the data.

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