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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: November 12, 2020, 03:39:04 AM »
Trump and his goons affirm what I have long feared. Their current plan is to continue on as if the election did not occur.

For anybody who does not feel like clicking the link and watching the video below:

When Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is asked about a smooth transition to the Biden admin, he responds with

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There will be a smooth transition to a 2nd Trump administration

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/2020-11-10-biden-harris-transition-n1247204/ncrd1247291#blogHeader

Trump admin telling federal agencies to continue with Trump's budgets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/11/10/trump-federal-budget-post-election/


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The politics / Re: Poll: Spread between Trump and Biden (popular vote)
« on: November 02, 2020, 11:38:44 PM »
Yes Tom, it’s called compulsory voting and many countries have it.

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: November 02, 2020, 09:19:13 AM »
To be honest, I don't have the feeling the USA is a democracy anymore;

According to the World Democracy Index, the US is a flawed democracy; not a full democracy.

I would place the US in the Hybrid Regime as the US currently has a government that applies pressure on political opponents, non-independent judiciaries, widespread corruption, harassment and pressure placed on the media, anaemic rule of law, underdeveloped political culture, and low levels of participation in politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: October 31, 2020, 03:57:41 AM »
Could the Wildlife thread in The Rest be moved to Science or Consequences? Seems out of place and I often forget it is there.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: October 29, 2020, 06:06:29 AM »
2020 spent 95 days below 6 million km2. Previous record held by 2019 with 86 days.

JAXA Data.

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 27, 2020, 02:12:00 AM »
I will not condemn the counterviolence perpetrated by America's left in this day and age.

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Nobody in the world, nobody in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people who were oppressing them.

- Assata Shakur

Non-violent protesters who are beaten by the State authority (in this case heavily militarized police) gain sympathy from the public at large. The American public supported the peaceful protests of the civil rights era because they witnessed savagery perpetrated by the State. The news media of the right failed to maintain control of the narrative that violence was occurring and have spent the better part of 53 years preparing for the inevitable reignition in this conflict for rights. And now the media has an unprecedented ability to deny that peaceful protest is taking place, or spin the peaceful protests as riots. Pacifism does not work when the public does not see it.

When the police claim there was a riot, the news media reports on that information to appear non-biased and then nobody of a comparable size or weight to the authority is brought on to say "No. Obviously this was not a riot." The protesters may have been peaceful does not align the general public against the authority as well as the protesters were peaceful.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: October 23, 2020, 07:26:57 AM »
October** JCG

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Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: October 20, 2020, 07:40:02 AM »
64 days under 5 million km2

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: October 16, 2020, 05:07:36 AM »
Has anybody watched the town halls?

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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: October 12, 2020, 02:54:21 PM »
The alt-right is an extremely important topic. It is in the appropriate politics section of the forum. It should not be removed.

Please, please moderate the thread appropriately. I find it odd I was asked to not bring up abortion with my opinion yet tom can roll into my thread and derail everything by discussing abortion ad infinitum.

I should hope that everyone who read my thread noted I never stoop to individual attacks even after being called out repeatedly. Ignore tom and move on.

Moderate the thread appropriately.

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 12, 2020, 01:42:28 AM »
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The condemnation of liberation movements for resorting to violence or armed struggle is almost invariably superficial, hypocritical, judgmental, and unfair, and tends strongly to represent another example of the generalized phenomenon of blaming the victim. The violence of the situation the preexisting oppression suffered by those who eventually strike back, is conveniently ignored. The violence of the oppressed is a form of defensive counterviolence to the violence of conquest and oppression. In no armed national liberation movement I know of in history has this not been the case.

Jeff Sluka

Wili hit the nail on the head here.

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 03:47:44 PM »
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Critics who demand peaceful demonstrations are saying, whether they admit it or not, that the correct way to protest is to let a heavily militarized police force that has already demonstrated its willing to murder people in full view of the public beat them shitless. They are not wishing for nonviolence; they are stating a preference for whom the violence should happen to.

- Ian Danskin (Innuendo Studios)

 
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A riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

- Martin Luther King Jr.

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I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by nonviolently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor.

- Mahatma Gandhi

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 09:33:09 AM »
It is my understanding that the deep green movement is generally more about return to hunter-gather society and the total collapse of industrial society. Thus I would consider deep green groups to be anarchists -- although I do not like the term because of its negative connotations.

I may be incorrect and welcome feedback.

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 03:02:07 AM »
Briefly on the "alt-left": The term alt-right was created by the alt-right. The term alt-left was, unsurprisingly, created by the alt-right. It is used as a smear.

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The scholar of public affairs Thomas J. Main commented on the alt-right by saying: "They don't think blacks and Jews should have equal rights. On the left, there is nothing analogous"

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-alt-left-20170816-story.html

So everybody should understand, at least in modern America, there is no alt-left. Any attempt to shift the discussion to the "alt-left" is disingenuous and should be treated as such.

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 03:28:20 PM »
Renounce whatever you want. I post two 1000+ word discussions on the alt-right and tom decides the only thing to focus on is abortion.

Which to specify once again, is only a minor minor focus of the alt-right.

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 01:52:48 PM »
This thread is on the alt-right. I am happy to discuss your “murder” views in the appropriate abortion thread.

All I will say on topic is about the “white genocide” fake hypothesis. The idea that where other races spread, whiteness has to be maintained is insanity.

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 01:30:22 PM »
Interesting how god can make intersex animals (https://twitter.com/aventuraobscura/status/1314150808141864962?s=21) but not intersex humans. There are so many examples of intersex, bisexual, gay, or other animals but when it comes to humans it’s “abomination”.

I do think Iran, Saudi Arabia and other religious theocracies are oppressive. Don’t be delusional.

Ah good to follow the Catholic Church since the pope himself has positive things to say about LGBTQ+, has things to say about climate change.

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 10:51:38 AM »
Yes, as etienne described the problem is not with workers/the working class, but with those with institutional power.

Make no mistake, the wealthiest nation that has ever existed has the capacity to feed its’ hungry, has the capacity to house its’ homeless, has the capacity to provide healthcare to its’ citizens.

To say that you are against immigration because we cannot provide for our own (as I will freely admit I thought for many years growing up) is a falsehood.

The question to ask then is what if there is zero immigration and still we do not feed our citizens, still do not house our homeless, still do not provide healthcare to all? Do we expel citizens? Some fascists would say yes.

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 08:21:40 AM »
Yes absolutely correct Aluminium, I should not assume. Thanks for reading

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 07:43:36 AM »
I wrote those things because that is what alt-right groups tend to espouse and show support for.

The presence of a single one (or several) of those beliefs in a person does not make that person part of the alt-right. I would argue that the presence of a single one of those beliefs likely makes that person an asshole if sincere, and misinformed if not. I think there is also a sliding scale: being transphobic but generally supportive of other people and other rights just kind of makes you a jerk (this being as trans rights are generally newish on the larger political scene, many are still unfamiliar with trans people and trans rights. However similar to gay rights, in 10-20 years hopefully trans people are as accepted as gay people -- acknowledging that gay people still have a ways to go for full acceptance in mainstream culture). Being a full blown white supremacist makes you an absolute fuckhead.

My father has been leaning further and further right as he has aged. He now regularly posts anti-immigrant, anti-feminism, transphobic, and homophobic views. I would consider him both an asshole and a member of the alt-right. He has also surprised me occasionally by commenting in appropriate ways about the murder of George Floyd and the murder of Ahmaud Arbery. He has a gay brother who has been married since it was legalized, yet my father wants gay marriage overturned. Edit: People are complicated -- the above is reinforcement that you do not have to hold all of the above beliefs.

You do not have to join a specific group (sic hate group) in order to be a member of something/part of a movement. I firmly believe that the only reason my father has not joined one of these armed "militia" groups is that he is an old man in mediocre health.


I don't know your friends. I will say that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that shows that immigration is good for an economy. Immigrants pay taxes while not receiving many social benefits. Immigrants do not take jobs from citizens. Immigrants are overwhelmingly law abiding (similar to how citizens are overwhelmingly law abiding). The majority of "illegal aliens" in the United States year after year are from people who came to the states legally with a visa and then did not leave the country when that visa expired. Not people crossing the border as a horde or caravan or any other fear mongering term used.
Your friends may be anti-immigration for whatever reason, but if they are not bigoted against Mexicans, people from Central America/South America I doubt they would cross into alt-right territory.

There is also a difference between "I think people should come to the USA legally, and those who are running from violence seeking asylum should be welcomed with open arms" and anti-immigrant views as written in previous comments vis a vis "go back to your country, we don't want you here", "this is America, speak American", etc.



Sorry for the long and winding post. I hope that answers your question sidd.


Edit: Additional note: The alt-right's anti-immigration mindset is a thin veil for racism. When they say they are anti-immigration what they typically mean is they are anti-brown people from Central and South America. They do not advocate for increased policing to pull over white people who might be from Europe. Nobody talks about tightening security at the US-Canada border (the longest border in the world) even as illegal crossings have been rising sharply.

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: October 10, 2020, 04:01:00 AM »
538 national polling gives Biden a 10 percentage point lead over Trump.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 03:59:30 AM »
Okay I'll humor you, although I doubt anybody on this forum does not have an idea of what the alt-right is and what alt-right means.

Alt-Right --- term coined by Paul Gottfried in 2008 after a paper published entitled The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right. The term has been widely popularized and turbocharged by noted white supremacist Richard Spencer (seen here being punched in the face because ya know, nazis gonna nazi).

Admittedly, the term is "ill-defined" but generally refers to a the loose collective of groups which espouse and support ideas of white nationalism, white supremacism, white separatism, anti-immigration, pro-racism, anti-zionism and anti-semitism, holocaust denial, antifeminism, trans-phobia, homophobia, and islamophobia. Wow not a great list to be attached to. Groups using the self-appointed alt-right label are generally characterized as HATE GROUPS.

So now we know something of what the alt-right is, and some of what it believes. This is not a comprehensive list but I am happy to provide further studies if you or anybody else desires.

Violence --- Does the alt-right, by definition, involve violence. In my view American Conservatism is violence. The alt-right is a step further and so has to be more violent. Notably, my definition of violence may be different than yours.

The trajectory of the alt-right is to gently guide its followers further and further down the rabbit hole, swallowing red pill after red pill. With the majority of members being white, cis-het, males, the red pills swallowed tend to be about jewish conspiracies, holocaust denial, downplaying of slavery and the crusades, that feminism is about crushing men rather than elevating women to where men currently stand, sandy-hook truthers, reverse racism, economic precarity being caused by immigrants, and so on.

Many, I am sure, are aware that having a nebulous "other" to unite against is a compelling rallying cry for people. The alt-right provides many such "others" to rally against. The alt-right also, curiously, utilizes the fascist rhetoric that the nebulous other is simultaneously all-powerful and weak/unfit/sub-human (examples include Mexicans are coming to take our jobs, but Mexicans are also lazy; Jewish people control essentially all major corporations and governments in the world, but are also sub-human. Take your pick, there are many options.)

With the "other" provided, hatred abounds. Take 5 minutes to go browse /pol/ on 4chan, or save yourself the pain and trust me. Hatred and fear lead to violence. An excellent example of this is that hate crimes against Asian-Americans have been on the rise during the covid19 pandemic -- so much so that scientists have published journal articles about it). So once again, with an "other" provided (and that "other" including but not limited to women, LGBTQ+, immigrants, muslims, jewish people), fear and hatred flow. Young, white, cis-het men are told they are valuable for being white and cis-het. They are left to froth in their own anger. Violence follows: there has been an explosion of alt-right hate groups as tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center -- 55% increase in white nationalist hate groups since 2017 and 43% increase in anti-LGBTQ+ hate groups in 2019 alone. And according to the SPLC hate crimes reached a 5 year high in 2015 as Trump marched towards the White House. According to Justice.gov hate crimes in 2017 reached numbers not seen since 2008, 2018 down slightly from 2017 and 2019 numbers not out yet. Another fun fact: for years provided by justice.gov, the year with the highest hate crime rate was 2001. Hmm, I wonder what happened that year for it to see such a spike?

The alt-right is a breeding ground for "lone wolves". If a person is unable to escape from the clutches of the alt-right there are generally 3 outcomes: nihilism/the black pill, becoming a "lone wolf", or joining a "militia" group or other hate group whose violence that person finds tolerable (i.e. "I find actually harming people to be too much for me, but I don't mind screaming racial slurs at hispanic American citizens and telling them to go back to their country.")

Edit: I would also like to add that among those who commit "lone wolf" type violence, many evoke reverence for the memes, hand signals, gestures, hashtags, and common talking points/phrases that the alt-right traffic in. We know that the alt-right radicalized him, the issue becomes did the alt-right tell him to do that. And generally the answer is no. There was no single directive issued by the alt-right to go out and shoot people. I would argue this is more plausible deniability on the part of alt-right leaders. They have clearly been enticing young men towards violence. But stopping short of saying lets go murder people, they cannot be charged with anything.

And another caveat: you can find videos of alt-right leaders talking on their podcasts/radio shows actually advocating for murder.

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 09, 2020, 04:47:42 PM »
Hefaistos: perhaps I should have named it Alt Right violence or something of that ilk. My intention was to create a mega thread for the alt-right and their activities.

Tom: trolling, feigning ignorance, or a genuine question?

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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 09, 2020, 11:49:15 AM »
Violence is the logical conclusion to an ideology of hate.

Take it as you will.

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The politics / The Alt Right
« on: October 09, 2020, 04:40:27 AM »
13 men have been arrested, state and federal officials announced conspiracy, terrorism and weapons charges.

6 of the men created a detailed plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitemer, extradite her to Wisconsin, and put her on "trial". Likely outcome of the trial would be execution.

The men planned to blow up a bridge in order to distract police during the attempted kidnapping.

The men regularly participated in military style weapons training, and on at least 2 occasions attempted to build IEDs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/us/gretchen-whitmer-michigan-militia.html


The Radical Left: Hey we want everybody to have healthcare!

The Radical Right: Let's kidnap and kill a governor.

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: October 08, 2020, 09:44:33 AM »
Calmly told lies. Avoiding questions at all costs.

The American debating system is broken. Politicians don't want to give a hard answer for anything. Never more evident than the VP debate. We need a total overhaul in politicians and politics.

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Walking the walk / Re: Informative & Useful Books
« on: October 05, 2020, 03:33:19 PM »
Just finished Endgame Volume I by Derrick Jensen. A masterful compendium of the problem of civilization: that any creature that degrades its land base cannot live in that space sustainably, let alone forever.

Much of Jensen’s writing I found to be striking and profound, interspersed by uncomfortable and raw moments. He prefaces every chapter with a quote from some famous author/philosopher/etc. I found these to be compelling preludes and looked forward to finishing chapters so I could read the next introduction.

Volume II is apparently about how to take down civilization. But first, The Overstory by Richard Powers.

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 30, 2020, 11:02:35 AM »
That was, without a shadow of a doubt, the worst 1.5 hours of television I have ever seen.

I know there are undecided voters still (somehow), and watching that debate would not have convinced me of anything except that both candidates are children.

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The politics / Re: Your 2020 US Presidential Election Map
« on: September 29, 2020, 02:32:06 PM »
I have only minor qualms with what you have said, Walrus.

There has always been voter suppression. The United States was built on voter suppression.

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 28, 2020, 07:33:28 AM »
Voter fraud does occur. Via mail-in or absentee ballot it is exceedingly rare.

I can find multiple sources citing voter fraud by polling station officials by both parties in just a few quick google searches.

And election rigging (thanks for ignoring that aspect of my comment) has been done successfully by the Republicans. 2000 springs to mind. The electoral college of course decides against the will of the people (2000 and 2016). And Trump has openly admitted that this election may be decided by the Supreme Court.

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 28, 2020, 12:28:13 AM »
Bbr is trying to accuse dems of election rigging and voter fraud? That’s rich.

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 27, 2020, 12:17:16 PM »
Oren’s take is correct. Biden is not good. Trump is clearly worse.

Between gerrymandering, voter suppression, and intimidation, it is very possible for trump to win again. He could also lose and have a victory assigned by the Supreme Court.

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The politics / Re: Your 2020 US Presidential Election Map
« on: September 27, 2020, 04:10:18 AM »
Right, one of the bluest states in the country and it is only likely dem according to you. Makes sense. I am sure you applied this excellent R bias filter to the rest of your map as well.

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The politics / Re: Your 2020 US Presidential Election Map
« on: September 27, 2020, 04:02:12 AM »
bbr's map has no basis in reality. California isn't solid dem? Washington state only leans dem? So many other issues lmao

First debate is September 29th. No candidate has backed out or refused to debate yet. Although Trump has requested PED testing.

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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: September 23, 2020, 12:21:20 PM »
I’ll bring it up as needed when the Trump admin brings it up.

It has become a political topic. It is a central focus of the current admin. This is the politics subforum.

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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: September 22, 2020, 01:46:11 PM »
I wouldn’t waste your time Tskoul.

As said in the InnuendoStudios video entitled I Hate Mondays: it’s not actually about stopping abortion, it’s about punishing those who get abortions and controlling women.

When Tom and I took the topic of abortion to PM last time, I asked him if holding an 8 week old baby in one hand and a several day old fetus (read a clump of cells in a test tube) and he absolutely had to drop one off a cliff, which one would he choose?

Read his answer for yourself

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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: September 22, 2020, 12:32:49 PM »
When presented with evidence that the abortion rates drop faster under Democrat administrations, he sticks his head in the sand. La la la I'm not listening!!!!!!!

Live as you want. Don't spew bullshit at me.

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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: September 22, 2020, 10:49:11 AM »
While it may be unpleasant for some to discuss, the reality is that the trump admin and potentially the newest iteration of the Supreme Court will be attacking Roe v Wade (or at least the conservative judges shortlisted to replace RBG have said they will attack it).

So we have something many would rather not discuss that this admin makes a concerted attempt to undermine and attack. We cannot sit idly because some here feel uncomfortable. The short list for SCOTUS picks from Trump is full of judges who want Roe gone. It must be discussed.

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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: September 22, 2020, 08:22:16 AM »
Seems to me that if somebody were actually against abortion, they would vote for people who have a track record of seeing the greatest percentage decrease in abortion. Not partisan bullshit.

And +1 to basically everything said by wili

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 20, 2020, 05:46:33 PM »
I guess it depends if he succeeds with that approach or not.

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 20, 2020, 12:44:12 PM »
Trump wins election night, Biden wins in the following days/weeks as mail in voting is tabulated.

Although some fuckery may occur with trump trying to persuade the Supreme Court to halt mailed in ballot counting.

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 19, 2020, 10:21:44 PM »
While I would say that Disney is much too large (Especially!!! after buying Fox), that does not make them fascist.

Pumping out propaganda? I'll give that a soft yes. The US government provides money for films that make the US military look good. That is propaganda. Making a princess movie that children enjoy is not propaganda.

Disney famously underpays their workers at amusement parks. That is messed up. I think those workers should unionize. I do not think Disney is a "nice company" (your quotes not mine). I think they should likely be split. I encourage it.

Your "quotes" of me seem to be wildly off. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. Additionally, thanks for hyper-focusing on one small aspect of everything I bothered to respond to you about. And finally, I have (once again) refrained from insulting you in my posts. I ask that you do the same.

Yes my stupor, quite enjoyable with some soma!

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 19, 2020, 05:17:09 PM »
And finally, if you have had any doubts that Trump would be attempting to use the Supreme Court to keep himself in power, you have been duped. Horrendously so.

He is drooling at this. 3 SC appointments in the first term? That's a unicorn. 6-3 conservative loaded court. The next oldest justice, Breyer, was appointed by Clinton. Another 4 years of Trump makes a high likelihood of a 7-2 swing.

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 19, 2020, 05:11:32 PM »
Are you insane?

Sure, if that's what you need me to be.

The Democrats are encouraging riots in the streets,

No

have shutdown all local businesses,

No

and are willing to do it again if they haven't stopped it already.


2nd shutdown may occur. No arguments there.

All while favoring AMZN, NYT, etc.

Posturing. I wouldn't say they are favoring Amazon. Dems want higher taxes on ultra wealthy and corporations. Sanders (independent but I digress) wants to break up banks and prevent monopolies.

By definition they are consolidating the state and corporations into a few behemoths a la Mercedes-Benz and BMW during the rise of the Nazis in Germany.

Amazon should be broken up. Mega corps should be broken up. Authoritarian Right leaders (term used in the context of Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians) are not the ones to do so.

And they have armies of stooges like you, and vox_mundi,

Baseless attack. Happy to be called a stooge, if it makes you feel strong. King stooge even.

who repost propaganda from the WaPo (AMZN) and NYT (NYT) as if it had factual value and weren't designed to bolster the bottom lines of aforementioned FascistCorps which also have deep ties to the military-industrial complex (especially NBC and its affiliate networks).

My post was from ABC which is owned by Disney FascistCorpsTM.

Proposing a new Supreme Court justice is not a "Nazi" move

Never said it was. Perhaps I should have placed that in a comment section of its' own. Do you disagree with the statement that a nazi sympathizer should be called a nazi?

and pretending like a Democrat would not do the same if they had a favorable Senate is to be blithely ignorant.

You Go High, We Go Low! - Republican Mantra circa creation of modern political parties.


Many American Democrats are useful idiots and have willingly demonstrated their tendencies towards banal evil in the wake of the manufactured pandemic restrictions. Hannah Arendt would be horrified.

Press X to doubt. Although that was after only a brief rifling through of her wikipedia page. I'd be happy to read some of her books, appears to be up my alley anyway.

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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: September 19, 2020, 03:17:56 PM »
Hopefully nobody here is a woman/has daughters/nieces/aunts/wives/mothers.

Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) ladies and gentlemen: Tom Cotton after Trump names him potential Supreme Court nominee: 'It's time for Roe v. Wade to go'

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/515728-tom-cotton-after-trump-names-him-possible-justice-its-time-for-roe-v

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 19, 2020, 02:41:20 PM »
And from ABC news:

Donald Trump to put forth nominee to replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in coming days: Sources

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/donald-trump-put-nominee-replace-justice-ruth-bader/story?id=73107862&__twitter_impression=true

Anybody surprised by this shit hasn’t been watching. Anybody voting for a Republican is supporting fascism.



The correct term for Nazi sympathizer is nazi.

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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 19, 2020, 01:18:38 PM »
They don't have the numbers to filibuster. Judicial votes need only 51 to pass (or 50-50 tie with Pence as the tiebreaker). Currently senate is 53-47 in favor of republicans. Need 4 to break party lines, if 3 or less Pence will tiebreak.
Also, McConnell can bring any vote to the senate floor that he wants at any time. Even if it would fail 1-99 he could still say he wants to hold a vote on it. It would just get filibustered and they would move on. So McConnell has the power to bring the SC nomination vote to the senate floor whenever, only needs 50 votes to pass it.

So far we have Murkowski (R-AK) who said she would vote no as recently as this Friday; Susan Collins (R-ME) claims it is "too close" to election day to hold a vote. https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/ruth-bader-ginsburg-death-live-updates/h_73403b4eaf42724ec9db79154591d223

Lindsay Graham (R-SC) in 2016 AND 2018 said that he would vote no if this scenario occurred. He has since walked that back. https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/1307145653856985089

Chuck Grassley (R-IA) seems to be considering voting no. At the very least he is recommending against holding a vote. That does not mean that if a vote is held, he would say no. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/18/how-ernst-grassley-said-they-would-handle-supreme-court-vacancy/5831959002/

Mitt Romney (R-UT). Will the man who seems to have broken with republicans do it again? So far only a tweet stating that a "high level Romney insider says Romney will vote no." https://twitter.com/JimDabakis/status/1307120855454044160

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