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Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: March 01, 2021, 02:36:03 PM »
I actually received the paper from one of the authors if anybody would like to read it.

Arctic sea ice / Re: Casual 2021 melting season predictions
« on: February 19, 2021, 05:01:21 AM »
Area minimum of 3,695,000 on Sept. 17 2021; Extent minimum of 4,972,000 on Sept. 9 2021.  A fairly decent year for retaining ice.

Even "recovery years" such as 2013, 2014, 2017, 2018 did not see 4.9 million km2. Prepare to be wrong by a large margin.

My prediction is that icefisher's prediction will be very very far off the mark.

The forum / Re: Suggestions
« on: February 19, 2021, 03:58:29 AM »
Where has the option to edit posts gone?

I can't seem to modify some of my older posts but have the option for this one.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: February 13, 2021, 07:39:42 AM »
So Gina Carano of The Mandalorian was fired from the show for her tweets (which IMO were pretty disgusting). She tweeted that modern day republicans are treated as abhorrently by the progressive left as the Jews were treated by nazis during the holocaust.

I AM NOT STATING THAT SHE IS ALT-RIGHTmerely that she traffics in the common rhetoric of the alt-right. In this instance, mainly the downplaying of the holocaust. This is one of the tricky things though, how do you determine dog-whistle bigotry from conspiracy theory crockery?

I believe we are very close to witnessing a real neo-nazi coming forward and saying that modern day nazis are treated worse than Jews were treated by nazis during the holocaust. And that person will not see any irony in their statement.

Arctic sea ice / Re: 2021 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: February 13, 2021, 07:30:21 AM »
Based on date of maximum for the 2007-2020 period, the max could occur as early as Feb 24th or as late as March 31st. 11 to 46 days.

Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: February 09, 2021, 11:34:42 AM »
The Holocene extinction rages on, even against humans not considered to be part of the dominant culture.

Dubbed "The Amazon Chernobyl", Chevron (then Texaco) purposefully built pollution drainage pipes that dumped directly into drinking water and hunting area of 5 indigenous groups in Ecuador. Then when the indigenous people became concerned, Texaco flew in their engineers to waylay fears, lying directly to the faces of the indigenous peoples that the oil tainted water was fine to drink, fish in, and swim in.

Chevron has admitted that Texaco dumped more than 18 billion gallons of toxic
waste  into  Amazon  waterways,  abandoned  more  than  900  waste  pits,  burned
millions  of  cubic meters  of  poisonous  gases  with  no  controls,  and  spilled more
than 17 million gallons of oil due to pipeline ruptures.

Texaco  also  dumped  millions  of  gallons  of  oil  waste  along  dirt  roads,  never
budgeted for pipeline maintenance, and spent no money on environmental cleanup or health care for the local population.  The company never conducted a single
health evaluation or environmental impact study while it was the operator.

Experts  estimate  the  damage  is  30  times  larger  than  that  of  the  Exxon  Valdez
disaster.  Some call the area the “Amazon Chernobyl.”

One of the human rights lawyers working for the indigenous groups since 1993 has been arrested in the USA in order to prevent further litigation and scare other lawyers from taking on the case.

Listen to a detailed account of this atrocity and the assault on Steven Donziger here:

I have learned by working on this case, that the abuse of judicial power can only happen in darkness. When people speak up and call it out, those responsible don't want to show their faces. That's because acts of corruption by public officials are at core, personal acts of cowardice.

- Steven Donziger

The rest / Re: How Educated are we as a Forum
« on: February 09, 2021, 08:24:12 AM »

Welcome new members.

Walking the walk / Re: Informative & Useful Books
« on: February 09, 2021, 05:43:17 AM »
Read that back in 2016 right when it came out. Before I joined the forum, was just a lurker at that point. But yes I agree.

Walking the walk / Re: Informative & Useful Books
« on: February 09, 2021, 05:00:21 AM »
Read The Carbon Club by Marian Wilkinson. A brief history of how industry in Australia has successfully stoked doubt using the American model regarding climate change, fostering inaction on this crisis for decades.
Good book. Long and dense however.

Read White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin DiAngelo. A book I think all white people should read. Especially some of the posters on this forum with more questionable intent.

Read The Dog Fence: A Journey Across the Heart of Australia by James Woodford. One mans 4wd trip from the South Australian coast to Queensland. Interesting enough. Further piqued my interest in aboriginal books and stories.

Currently reading Tip of the Iceberg: My 3000 Mile Journey Around Wild Alaska, the Last Great American Frontier by Mark Adams. Adams follows in the wake of the 1899 Harriman expedition to Nome, Alaska. So far so good.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: January 26, 2021, 05:20:48 AM »

"Artist Matt Furie, creator of the comic character Pepe the Frog, begins an uphill battle to take back his iconic cartoon image from those who used it for their own purposes."

When reading "own purposes", understand that means derogatory, sexist, racist, white nationalist, pro-hitler purposes.
Was an interesting documentary. Good luck to the original creator.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: January 10, 2021, 11:13:11 AM »
I’m saying

1. The police should not be judge, jury, and executioner.

2. Breonna Taylor, a black woman shot by police while SLEEPING IN HER OWN HOME DURING A NO KNOCK RAID should still be alive. She did not place herself in an illegal or incriminating position. She was fucking sleeping. The examples go on and on of black people being killed while committing no crimes.

3. If neonazis break in to the Capitol looking for violence, nobody should be surprised when they are met with violence. They committed violent crimes. They should still be alive so they can face criminal charges. But they are not.

Anybody who believes that black and indigenous people being killed while attempting to gain the same level of rights and recognition provided to white people are on the same level as neonazis attacking the US Capitol is a bonafide moron. If you cannot see the difference, you are either too stupid to comprehend, or being purposefully dense.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: January 09, 2021, 11:03:38 AM »
You are right Walrus. I am outraged. Outraged that nazis and terrorists and traitors could so easily breach, desecrate, and savage the Capitol.

4 “protesters” died you say. I say 4 terrorists died.

The left is protesting for equality and against the murder of unarmed black men and women. The right is protesting a free and fair election while being heavily armed. They are not protesting social and racial injustices. These things are not the same.

Had the police been as heavily armed as at BLM protests, or as at women’s marches, or as at Standing rock then the neonazis and terrorists would not have been able to force entry to the Capitol and they would not have been shot.

Fuck em

And a quick caveat: the police still need to be defunded. The entire system still needs to be reformed.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: January 07, 2021, 01:40:57 AM »
There is video proof that police removed the barricades and allowed terrorists to approach the Capitol. There is video proof of police and terrorists taking selfies in the Capitol building. There is video proof of police holding a woman's hand gingerly as he walks with her down the steps of the Capitol building.

When white supremacy is so entrenched in an institution that reform is not possible, the only remaining action is dismantling of that institution.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: November 12, 2020, 03:39:04 AM »
Trump and his goons affirm what I have long feared. Their current plan is to continue on as if the election did not occur.

For anybody who does not feel like clicking the link and watching the video below:

When Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is asked about a smooth transition to the Biden admin, he responds with

There will be a smooth transition to a 2nd Trump administration

Trump admin telling federal agencies to continue with Trump's budgets.

The politics / Re: Poll: Spread between Trump and Biden (popular vote)
« on: November 02, 2020, 11:38:44 PM »
Yes Tom, it’s called compulsory voting and many countries have it.

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: November 02, 2020, 09:19:13 AM »
To be honest, I don't have the feeling the USA is a democracy anymore;

According to the World Democracy Index, the US is a flawed democracy; not a full democracy.

I would place the US in the Hybrid Regime as the US currently has a government that applies pressure on political opponents, non-independent judiciaries, widespread corruption, harassment and pressure placed on the media, anaemic rule of law, underdeveloped political culture, and low levels of participation in politics.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: October 31, 2020, 03:57:41 AM »
Could the Wildlife thread in The Rest be moved to Science or Consequences? Seems out of place and I often forget it is there.

Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: October 29, 2020, 06:06:29 AM »
2020 spent 95 days below 6 million km2. Previous record held by 2019 with 86 days.

JAXA Data.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 27, 2020, 02:12:00 AM »
I will not condemn the counterviolence perpetrated by America's left in this day and age.

Nobody in the world, nobody in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people who were oppressing them.

- Assata Shakur

Non-violent protesters who are beaten by the State authority (in this case heavily militarized police) gain sympathy from the public at large. The American public supported the peaceful protests of the civil rights era because they witnessed savagery perpetrated by the State. The news media of the right failed to maintain control of the narrative that violence was occurring and have spent the better part of 53 years preparing for the inevitable reignition in this conflict for rights. And now the media has an unprecedented ability to deny that peaceful protest is taking place, or spin the peaceful protests as riots. Pacifism does not work when the public does not see it.

When the police claim there was a riot, the news media reports on that information to appear non-biased and then nobody of a comparable size or weight to the authority is brought on to say "No. Obviously this was not a riot." The protesters may have been peaceful does not align the general public against the authority as well as the protesters were peaceful.

Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: October 23, 2020, 07:26:57 AM »
October** JCG

Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: October 20, 2020, 07:40:02 AM »
64 days under 5 million km2

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: October 16, 2020, 05:07:36 AM »
Has anybody watched the town halls?

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: October 12, 2020, 02:54:21 PM »
The alt-right is an extremely important topic. It is in the appropriate politics section of the forum. It should not be removed.

Please, please moderate the thread appropriately. I find it odd I was asked to not bring up abortion with my opinion yet tom can roll into my thread and derail everything by discussing abortion ad infinitum.

I should hope that everyone who read my thread noted I never stoop to individual attacks even after being called out repeatedly. Ignore tom and move on.

Moderate the thread appropriately.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 12, 2020, 01:42:28 AM »
The condemnation of liberation movements for resorting to violence or armed struggle is almost invariably superficial, hypocritical, judgmental, and unfair, and tends strongly to represent another example of the generalized phenomenon of blaming the victim. The violence of the situation the preexisting oppression suffered by those who eventually strike back, is conveniently ignored. The violence of the oppressed is a form of defensive counterviolence to the violence of conquest and oppression. In no armed national liberation movement I know of in history has this not been the case.

Jeff Sluka

Wili hit the nail on the head here.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 03:47:44 PM »
Critics who demand peaceful demonstrations are saying, whether they admit it or not, that the correct way to protest is to let a heavily militarized police force that has already demonstrated its willing to murder people in full view of the public beat them shitless. They are not wishing for nonviolence; they are stating a preference for whom the violence should happen to.

- Ian Danskin (Innuendo Studios)

A riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

- Martin Luther King Jr.

I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by nonviolently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor.

- Mahatma Gandhi

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 09:33:09 AM »
It is my understanding that the deep green movement is generally more about return to hunter-gather society and the total collapse of industrial society. Thus I would consider deep green groups to be anarchists -- although I do not like the term because of its negative connotations.

I may be incorrect and welcome feedback.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 03:02:07 AM »
Briefly on the "alt-left": The term alt-right was created by the alt-right. The term alt-left was, unsurprisingly, created by the alt-right. It is used as a smear.

The scholar of public affairs Thomas J. Main commented on the alt-right by saying: "They don't think blacks and Jews should have equal rights. On the left, there is nothing analogous"

So everybody should understand, at least in modern America, there is no alt-left. Any attempt to shift the discussion to the "alt-left" is disingenuous and should be treated as such.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 03:28:20 PM »
Renounce whatever you want. I post two 1000+ word discussions on the alt-right and tom decides the only thing to focus on is abortion.

Which to specify once again, is only a minor minor focus of the alt-right.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 01:52:48 PM »
This thread is on the alt-right. I am happy to discuss your “murder” views in the appropriate abortion thread.

All I will say on topic is about the “white genocide” fake hypothesis. The idea that where other races spread, whiteness has to be maintained is insanity.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 01:30:22 PM »
Interesting how god can make intersex animals ( but not intersex humans. There are so many examples of intersex, bisexual, gay, or other animals but when it comes to humans it’s “abomination”.

I do think Iran, Saudi Arabia and other religious theocracies are oppressive. Don’t be delusional.

Ah good to follow the Catholic Church since the pope himself has positive things to say about LGBTQ+, has things to say about climate change.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 10:51:38 AM »
Yes, as etienne described the problem is not with workers/the working class, but with those with institutional power.

Make no mistake, the wealthiest nation that has ever existed has the capacity to feed its’ hungry, has the capacity to house its’ homeless, has the capacity to provide healthcare to its’ citizens.

To say that you are against immigration because we cannot provide for our own (as I will freely admit I thought for many years growing up) is a falsehood.

The question to ask then is what if there is zero immigration and still we do not feed our citizens, still do not house our homeless, still do not provide healthcare to all? Do we expel citizens? Some fascists would say yes.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 08:21:40 AM »
Yes absolutely correct Aluminium, I should not assume. Thanks for reading

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 07:43:36 AM »
I wrote those things because that is what alt-right groups tend to espouse and show support for.

The presence of a single one (or several) of those beliefs in a person does not make that person part of the alt-right. I would argue that the presence of a single one of those beliefs likely makes that person an asshole if sincere, and misinformed if not. I think there is also a sliding scale: being transphobic but generally supportive of other people and other rights just kind of makes you a jerk (this being as trans rights are generally newish on the larger political scene, many are still unfamiliar with trans people and trans rights. However similar to gay rights, in 10-20 years hopefully trans people are as accepted as gay people -- acknowledging that gay people still have a ways to go for full acceptance in mainstream culture). Being a full blown white supremacist makes you an absolute fuckhead.

My father has been leaning further and further right as he has aged. He now regularly posts anti-immigrant, anti-feminism, transphobic, and homophobic views. I would consider him both an asshole and a member of the alt-right. He has also surprised me occasionally by commenting in appropriate ways about the murder of George Floyd and the murder of Ahmaud Arbery. He has a gay brother who has been married since it was legalized, yet my father wants gay marriage overturned. Edit: People are complicated -- the above is reinforcement that you do not have to hold all of the above beliefs.

You do not have to join a specific group (sic hate group) in order to be a member of something/part of a movement. I firmly believe that the only reason my father has not joined one of these armed "militia" groups is that he is an old man in mediocre health.

I don't know your friends. I will say that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that shows that immigration is good for an economy. Immigrants pay taxes while not receiving many social benefits. Immigrants do not take jobs from citizens. Immigrants are overwhelmingly law abiding (similar to how citizens are overwhelmingly law abiding). The majority of "illegal aliens" in the United States year after year are from people who came to the states legally with a visa and then did not leave the country when that visa expired. Not people crossing the border as a horde or caravan or any other fear mongering term used.
Your friends may be anti-immigration for whatever reason, but if they are not bigoted against Mexicans, people from Central America/South America I doubt they would cross into alt-right territory.

There is also a difference between "I think people should come to the USA legally, and those who are running from violence seeking asylum should be welcomed with open arms" and anti-immigrant views as written in previous comments vis a vis "go back to your country, we don't want you here", "this is America, speak American", etc.

Sorry for the long and winding post. I hope that answers your question sidd.

Edit: Additional note: The alt-right's anti-immigration mindset is a thin veil for racism. When they say they are anti-immigration what they typically mean is they are anti-brown people from Central and South America. They do not advocate for increased policing to pull over white people who might be from Europe. Nobody talks about tightening security at the US-Canada border (the longest border in the world) even as illegal crossings have been rising sharply.

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: October 10, 2020, 04:01:00 AM »
538 national polling gives Biden a 10 percentage point lead over Trump.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 03:59:30 AM »
Okay I'll humor you, although I doubt anybody on this forum does not have an idea of what the alt-right is and what alt-right means.

Alt-Right --- term coined by Paul Gottfried in 2008 after a paper published entitled The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right. The term has been widely popularized and turbocharged by noted white supremacist Richard Spencer (seen here being punched in the face because ya know, nazis gonna nazi).

Admittedly, the term is "ill-defined" but generally refers to a the loose collective of groups which espouse and support ideas of white nationalism, white supremacism, white separatism, anti-immigration, pro-racism, anti-zionism and anti-semitism, holocaust denial, antifeminism, trans-phobia, homophobia, and islamophobia. Wow not a great list to be attached to. Groups using the self-appointed alt-right label are generally characterized as HATE GROUPS.

So now we know something of what the alt-right is, and some of what it believes. This is not a comprehensive list but I am happy to provide further studies if you or anybody else desires.

Violence --- Does the alt-right, by definition, involve violence. In my view American Conservatism is violence. The alt-right is a step further and so has to be more violent. Notably, my definition of violence may be different than yours.

The trajectory of the alt-right is to gently guide its followers further and further down the rabbit hole, swallowing red pill after red pill. With the majority of members being white, cis-het, males, the red pills swallowed tend to be about jewish conspiracies, holocaust denial, downplaying of slavery and the crusades, that feminism is about crushing men rather than elevating women to where men currently stand, sandy-hook truthers, reverse racism, economic precarity being caused by immigrants, and so on.

Many, I am sure, are aware that having a nebulous "other" to unite against is a compelling rallying cry for people. The alt-right provides many such "others" to rally against. The alt-right also, curiously, utilizes the fascist rhetoric that the nebulous other is simultaneously all-powerful and weak/unfit/sub-human (examples include Mexicans are coming to take our jobs, but Mexicans are also lazy; Jewish people control essentially all major corporations and governments in the world, but are also sub-human. Take your pick, there are many options.)

With the "other" provided, hatred abounds. Take 5 minutes to go browse /pol/ on 4chan, or save yourself the pain and trust me. Hatred and fear lead to violence. An excellent example of this is that hate crimes against Asian-Americans have been on the rise during the covid19 pandemic -- so much so that scientists have published journal articles about it). So once again, with an "other" provided (and that "other" including but not limited to women, LGBTQ+, immigrants, muslims, jewish people), fear and hatred flow. Young, white, cis-het men are told they are valuable for being white and cis-het. They are left to froth in their own anger. Violence follows: there has been an explosion of alt-right hate groups as tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center -- 55% increase in white nationalist hate groups since 2017 and 43% increase in anti-LGBTQ+ hate groups in 2019 alone. And according to the SPLC hate crimes reached a 5 year high in 2015 as Trump marched towards the White House. According to hate crimes in 2017 reached numbers not seen since 2008, 2018 down slightly from 2017 and 2019 numbers not out yet. Another fun fact: for years provided by, the year with the highest hate crime rate was 2001. Hmm, I wonder what happened that year for it to see such a spike?

The alt-right is a breeding ground for "lone wolves". If a person is unable to escape from the clutches of the alt-right there are generally 3 outcomes: nihilism/the black pill, becoming a "lone wolf", or joining a "militia" group or other hate group whose violence that person finds tolerable (i.e. "I find actually harming people to be too much for me, but I don't mind screaming racial slurs at hispanic American citizens and telling them to go back to their country.")

Edit: I would also like to add that among those who commit "lone wolf" type violence, many evoke reverence for the memes, hand signals, gestures, hashtags, and common talking points/phrases that the alt-right traffic in. We know that the alt-right radicalized him, the issue becomes did the alt-right tell him to do that. And generally the answer is no. There was no single directive issued by the alt-right to go out and shoot people. I would argue this is more plausible deniability on the part of alt-right leaders. They have clearly been enticing young men towards violence. But stopping short of saying lets go murder people, they cannot be charged with anything.

And another caveat: you can find videos of alt-right leaders talking on their podcasts/radio shows actually advocating for murder.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 09, 2020, 04:47:42 PM »
Hefaistos: perhaps I should have named it Alt Right violence or something of that ilk. My intention was to create a mega thread for the alt-right and their activities.

Tom: trolling, feigning ignorance, or a genuine question?

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 09, 2020, 11:49:15 AM »
Violence is the logical conclusion to an ideology of hate.

Take it as you will.

The politics / The Alt Right
« on: October 09, 2020, 04:40:27 AM »
13 men have been arrested, state and federal officials announced conspiracy, terrorism and weapons charges.

6 of the men created a detailed plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitemer, extradite her to Wisconsin, and put her on "trial". Likely outcome of the trial would be execution.

The men planned to blow up a bridge in order to distract police during the attempted kidnapping.

The men regularly participated in military style weapons training, and on at least 2 occasions attempted to build IEDs.

The Radical Left: Hey we want everybody to have healthcare!

The Radical Right: Let's kidnap and kill a governor.

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: October 08, 2020, 09:44:33 AM »
Calmly told lies. Avoiding questions at all costs.

The American debating system is broken. Politicians don't want to give a hard answer for anything. Never more evident than the VP debate. We need a total overhaul in politicians and politics.

Walking the walk / Re: Informative & Useful Books
« on: October 05, 2020, 03:33:19 PM »
Just finished Endgame Volume I by Derrick Jensen. A masterful compendium of the problem of civilization: that any creature that degrades its land base cannot live in that space sustainably, let alone forever.

Much of Jensen’s writing I found to be striking and profound, interspersed by uncomfortable and raw moments. He prefaces every chapter with a quote from some famous author/philosopher/etc. I found these to be compelling preludes and looked forward to finishing chapters so I could read the next introduction.

Volume II is apparently about how to take down civilization. But first, The Overstory by Richard Powers.

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 30, 2020, 11:02:35 AM »
That was, without a shadow of a doubt, the worst 1.5 hours of television I have ever seen.

I know there are undecided voters still (somehow), and watching that debate would not have convinced me of anything except that both candidates are children.

The politics / Re: Your 2020 US Presidential Election Map
« on: September 29, 2020, 02:32:06 PM »
I have only minor qualms with what you have said, Walrus.

There has always been voter suppression. The United States was built on voter suppression.

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 28, 2020, 07:33:28 AM »
Voter fraud does occur. Via mail-in or absentee ballot it is exceedingly rare.

I can find multiple sources citing voter fraud by polling station officials by both parties in just a few quick google searches.

And election rigging (thanks for ignoring that aspect of my comment) has been done successfully by the Republicans. 2000 springs to mind. The electoral college of course decides against the will of the people (2000 and 2016). And Trump has openly admitted that this election may be decided by the Supreme Court.

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 28, 2020, 12:28:13 AM »
Bbr is trying to accuse dems of election rigging and voter fraud? That’s rich.

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 27, 2020, 12:17:16 PM »
Oren’s take is correct. Biden is not good. Trump is clearly worse.

Between gerrymandering, voter suppression, and intimidation, it is very possible for trump to win again. He could also lose and have a victory assigned by the Supreme Court.

The politics / Re: Your 2020 US Presidential Election Map
« on: September 27, 2020, 04:10:18 AM »
Right, one of the bluest states in the country and it is only likely dem according to you. Makes sense. I am sure you applied this excellent R bias filter to the rest of your map as well.

The politics / Re: Your 2020 US Presidential Election Map
« on: September 27, 2020, 04:02:12 AM »
bbr's map has no basis in reality. California isn't solid dem? Washington state only leans dem? So many other issues lmao

First debate is September 29th. No candidate has backed out or refused to debate yet. Although Trump has requested PED testing.

The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: September 23, 2020, 12:21:20 PM »
I’ll bring it up as needed when the Trump admin brings it up.

It has become a political topic. It is a central focus of the current admin. This is the politics subforum.

The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: September 22, 2020, 01:46:11 PM »
I wouldn’t waste your time Tskoul.

As said in the InnuendoStudios video entitled I Hate Mondays: it’s not actually about stopping abortion, it’s about punishing those who get abortions and controlling women.

When Tom and I took the topic of abortion to PM last time, I asked him if holding an 8 week old baby in one hand and a several day old fetus (read a clump of cells in a test tube) and he absolutely had to drop one off a cliff, which one would he choose?

Read his answer for yourself

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