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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 19, 2019, 10:16:18 AM »
(10% changed my mind.)  8)

Anyways, that's all for me here folks.

Thanks. This has been helpful. Nothing follows.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 19, 2019, 10:15:26 AM »
If you understood Econ 101, you would know that Tesla is demand constrained at current pricing.

Can you support this claim?

Eg
Significant unsold stock
Reduction in revenue per car sold due to squeezed margins
Reduction in production numbers to cater for restricted demand
Price reductions in the last 6 months to boost demand

M3 has had increases in the second half of this year
LR and SR+ are $1000 dearer than 6 months ago
P-LR is $2000 dearer.

S & X are unchanged.

That is a very very short term view. Maybe, maybe, maybe a marketplace and demand would shift that quickly. But if you look at 1 or 2 year price changes and sales over that time, Tesla looks extremely demand constrained at their current pricing.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019/2020 freezing season
« on: December 19, 2019, 08:36:59 AM »
The result has been ever increasing tidal flows into the Arctic, leading to greater outflows of other water.
Sea ice doesn't change tidal movements in any significant way. And generally speaking, the tides do not move water laterally, it's an up and down movement. So there is no tidal inflow, and hence no tidal outflow.

Kind of. But up and down movements can create serious lateral flows depending on (mostly) the bathymetry.

Ice may not effect tides very much but it does effect tides effect on ice flows. I believe what johniepooboy is saying is that the tides were previously not able to create any lateral ice lateral movement due to thick ice pack, but that they are now due to ice pack weakness and mobility.

In general, the whole theory 33 YO John Miller is putting forward confuses me though.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 19, 2019, 08:22:30 AM »
True, the market is on a bull run right now.

100% inflationary monetary supply expansion. Currently running at 8% (M2).

...what we are seeing, right now, is strong Tesla performance based on good results and expected continuation of those good results.

Every time Tesla has had good results there have been expected continuation of those good results. The actual results have been horrific.

Shorts and bears have been able to warp the Tesla results by calling everything into doubt.

No. The opposite. As normal you have it backward. The best 4 Qs Tesla has put together in the last 5 years is a $330 million LOSS. The bulls warp the results by claiming "future greatness soon to come".

Then there is Solar roof V3. They only need to sell 5,000 of them next year for it to have a positive effect.

Dude. Bro. Brah. Wtf are you talking about? What is a positive effect? Selling less than 10% of what they claimed is a positive now?

Maybe your day job is expectation management. I hear PR is a good gig if you have no productive talents or moral compass.

As for Gigafactory 4?

Giga 1-3 total operating capacity is at approx 10%. So ya, build another dozen factories. That's the key.

With a doubling of vehicles, again, in 2020, due to a doubling of manufacturing capacity, it really doesn't matter if they miss by a few months or not.

If you understood Econ 101, you would know that Tesla is demand constrained at current pricing. Doubling vehicle production in 2020 would require a significant price reduction. (China and the US are cutting EV subsidies btw.) The price reduction would eliminate any gross margin. You are business clueless. (I grow more curious every day what business you have run for 27 years as you claim. It must be an odd industry. There are plenty, so I'm not saying you are lying, but damn its weird how detatched your worldview is vs almost every other business man I have ever met.)



Mr. Neil T, you have been served.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 19, 2019, 08:03:09 AM »
#420 Smells like burning shorts. ;D

#420 should smell like something better.  ;)

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 19, 2019, 08:01:27 AM »
Quote
Mud field to actual deliveries inside 1 year.
Hats off to Tesla for this achievement.

Actual deliveries have not occurred. Delusion achieved.

Neurosis fed.

Customers have been contacted, deliveries are in progress.  Only the finest of fine hair splitting can allow someone to believe that deliveries are not going to happen.

I'm not saying they won't happen. It is just odd to say "look at what we did" before "we" did it. Especially with a company that spews BS. The list of lies and broken promises is HUGE.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 19, 2019, 07:59:38 AM »
Maybe brush up on your pronouns.

Do i smell a Peterson fanboi?

Not really. My bestie is into him bigly, but I find him hard to listen to despite his superb intellect and rhetoric.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 17, 2019, 05:23:19 PM »
Everyone please take a moment and have a little empathy with GSY. Bad day for them. Very bad day.

I'm not short Tesla (in that way). Thanks for the thoughts though. Also, I am not a "them".  Maybe brush up on your pronouns. Grammar school was long ago and it is easy to forget these things. Once you are done with that, you can move on to middle school and learn about the difference between empathy and sympathy. Good luck with the learnings.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 17, 2019, 05:18:08 PM »
Quote
Mud field to actual deliveries inside 1 year.
Hats off to Tesla for this achievement.

Actual deliveries have not occurred. Delusion achieved.


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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 17, 2019, 05:14:47 PM »
One week til Tesla starts installing 1,000 solar roofs per week. Very exciting.

Negative 2.5 years til Tesla "definitely" achieves FSD. Very exciting.

Also looking forward to the Semi and 1-hour car repair. Happening in the next 2 weeks. Very exciting.

#420

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 15, 2019, 01:48:04 AM »
Did Elon make this truck because he wants it on Mars?

You are so smart. It doesn't make sense for earth. But on Mars the cybertruck will dominate. Brilliant. Congrats.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 15, 2019, 01:45:36 AM »

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 12, 2019, 05:29:17 PM »
Tesla has had 3 General Counsels quit in the past year. Probably cuz everything fElon does is soooo legal that it is too easy of a job and is boring.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 12, 2019, 03:30:39 PM »
....they never make money. They never become profitable. Never have and never will.

It is a waste of time arguing with you on this.

There is nothing to argue about. It is a fact. (Obviously, the "never will" is not a fact. But the "never have", "0 profitable years out of 50", etc, is a fact.

I have run a business for 27 years, it has never made a profit.  According to you, that means it must be bust...

Well, it is odd. At a small scale, you can pay yourself enough to make a business profit unnecessary. But in general, profit is the point of business. It is the point of capitalism. Take x, turn it into x plus more. That is the idea. Not take x, turn it into x minus some.

Or you can just go on shouting at people and calling them morons.

I use my fingers. I want a program that turns my shouting into text but I haven't found one that understands me.

If you think Tesla is making a larger profit per car made each year, you are a moron. There hasn't been a single profitable year. Third of a billion dollar loss is the best rolling average from the past 5 years. If you think that losses are profits, you are a moron. I'm not trying to shout. I'm just pointing out that if you think (0 - 3 = 2), you are a moron. I haven't actually been using the word moron, but you are correct that that is what I am getting at.



(just curious, why has your business never made a profit? 27 years is quite a while to be in "a growth phase". the 2nd year I ran a business we made a profit. seemed like the right idea. who knew I was doing it wrong. i should have asked you for advice  ;)

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 12, 2019, 03:47:40 AM »
Tesla just changed their battery and drive train warranty mileage limit from "unlimited" to "120,000 miles"...


...probably cuz the battery is even better than claimed!  ;)

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 12, 2019, 12:42:04 AM »
When assessing Musk owned or controlled companies, the article pasted has a lot of relevance.

Simply put, the company starts up, burns money until it gets it right, beats the competition with technology, effort and skill then takes a lead.

Then the following happens....

....they never make money. They never become profitable. Never have and never will.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 10, 2019, 05:24:47 PM »
Tesla sells dollars for about 93 cents. They used to sell dollars for like 75 cents.

Trying to sell dollars for less than a dollar is easy. Trying to sell dollars for more than a dollar is hard.

Tesla will never be able to transition to a company that sells dollars for more than a dollar.

No fElon Musk company has ever made the transition to profitability.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 10, 2019, 05:22:24 PM »
I think I supported you, that's special. What is special about the others? ;)

They are coming up with random calculations about why I would be referring to 15 days.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 10, 2019, 05:21:32 PM »
Every year the profit per unit sold increases.

You say the most untrue things.


In 2018 Tesla lost about $4,000 per car sold.

In 2019 Tesla has lost about $4,000 per car sold.

profit; noun:
a financial gain, especially the difference between the amount earned and the amount spent in buying, operating, or producing something.

A sane person would claim that the loss per car is decreasing, (which is still untrue). But a Teslemming will go all the way and say that the profits are increasing. Delusion!!!

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 10, 2019, 05:08:35 PM »
In 15 days, Tesla will begin installing 1,000 solar roofs per week.
25 Oct 2019
“We’re doing installations as fast as we possibly can, starting in the next few weeks,” Musk said about availability, adding that the goal is to “get to 1,000 roofs per week” sometime in “the next several months.”
https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/25/teslas-new-solar-roof-costs-less-than-a-new-roof-plus-solar-panels-aims-for-install-rate-of-1k-per-week/

Another fact from GSY that is not a fact. Tiresome, except it was worth checking.

If they are not getting close by end March 2020 then it will be time to ask awkward questions.

Perhaps GSY added 2 months to the date of gerontocrat's linked article (25 oct) and got 25 dec which is in 15 days?  ;D
Perhaps he didn't.

Perhaps it was 15 days until the last week of the year. Wow. You are all very special.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 10, 2019, 05:07:27 PM »
In 15 days, Tesla will begin installing 1,000 solar roofs per week.
25 Oct 2019
“We’re doing installations as fast as we possibly can, starting in the next few weeks,” Musk said about availability, adding that the goal is to “get to 1,000 roofs per week” sometime in “the next several months.”
https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/25/teslas-new-solar-roof-costs-less-than-a-new-roof-plus-solar-panels-aims-for-install-rate-of-1k-per-week/

Another fact from GSY that is not a fact. Tiresome, except it was worth checking.

If they are not getting close by end March 2020 then it will be time to ask awkward questions.

Swing and a miss.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1156005185656782848

"Spooling up production line rapidly. Hoping to manufacture ~1000 solar roofs/week by end of this year."

https://electrek.co/2019/07/30/tesla-solar-roof-tile-production-1000-roofs-per-week/

"Tesla Solar Roof Tiles are one of those products that have been delayed for a while at Tesla, but CEO Elon Musk now says that the company is ramping up production to “1,000 roofs per week” by the end of the year."


THE PRODUCT WAS "UNVEILED" OVER 3 YEARS AGO. BUT IT ISN'T TIME TO START ASKING QUESTION UNTIL 3 MONTHS FROM NOW. HOW ABSURD!

Btw, genocrad, what "fact that was not a fact" are you even referring to? (Total nonsense straw man BS as always!)


Cars produced at Giga3 = Zero. Teslemmings celebrate.

Solar roofs installed = Zero. Teslemmings say we need to wait just 10% longer before we get concerned that the fake product is fake.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 10, 2019, 04:59:41 PM »
Tesla's Shanghai assembly plant to be completed in May - The factory to have its own production lines by the end of the year.


Negative one billion percent chance.

How can anyone possibly believe a muddy field is going to be a factory in 2 months? Just absurd.

It wasn't a factory in may. It still isn't producing anything. Is spiking the ball at the five yard line fun?

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 09, 2019, 05:51:53 PM »
In 15 days, Tesla will begin installing 1,000 solar roofs per week.

 ;)

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 09, 2019, 05:50:07 PM »
I'd say that Musk is setting an improbably high standard and just missing.  GSY is assuming that improbable equates to impossible and so winds up in a blind alley most of the time.

When you exhibit a fake product that is pretending to be capable of doing the improbable, and then start taking down payments on the fake product, IT IS FRAUD. How is this lost on you? Or do you think it is acceptable behavior to sell something which is improbable to be made.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 09, 2019, 05:46:59 PM »
Most pople in 3rd world countries aspire to a car. It is their burning ambition.
(emphasis mine)

Maybe you are more witty than I thought.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 06, 2019, 04:17:03 AM »
As for believing that nobody needs personal vehicles? That is normally a position held by City dwellers and students who have 0% visibility of the real world.

Those of us who live in the country know different.

Most people who live in rural places don't own a car. First-worlders are extremely first-world-centric and struggle to understand how anyone could live without all the high energy luxuries they see as essential.

Approximately 1% of people who have ever lived have owned a car. So, cars are a super luxury and totally unnecessary.

But hey, Neil thinks his ride is an imperative, and he is never totally wrong.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 04, 2019, 05:41:22 PM »
This thread is such an eye opener. Many posters here follow the exact pattern of climate change deniers. No matter what you say, no matter how much logic and/or facts and/or proof you name, they will always counter with either non-sense, putting the messenger with the bad news into the corner to be a bad guy or asking aggressive questions that they know cannot be answered even though they're obvious but lay in the future and hence one has to wait till things have unfolded.

This really is the heart of it all. The Teslemming followers of fElon Musk are oh so similar to climate change deniers. Rather than deny the entire problems, the Teslemmings deny that it is a predicament because if we just paint it all a very thin layer of green alloy that fElon just invented, it will all be fine. No need to change lifestyle, just paint it fElon green, the color that solves all problems through lies and deceit.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 04, 2019, 05:35:26 PM »
https://electrek.co/2019/12/03/tesla-model-y-deliveries-within-4-months-says-deutsche-bank/

A totally BK bank is reporting that a totally BK auto manufacturer is going to start delivering a new car in a few months according to the totally BK auto manufacturer's PR blog. Very exciting.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 04, 2019, 05:02:43 PM »
Rob, "Do you want to bet ?"

Sure. I bet it never happens. Just like the rest of the products Tesla has "launched" in the last 3 years.

OK dude. Please make up your mind : Is it "double the claimed $40k" ? Or is it "at least $60k" ?

Ok not-genius-Rob. There is a difference between the price they would sell the car for...(double the $40k claimed), and how much it would cost to make...(close to $60k). At least they is typically how businesses work. (I am however aware that Tesla is not really a business but instead more of a cash incinerator.)

Either way, show us your math on why Tesla cannot possibly offer this truck for $40k.

The starting prices for the X and S are about $80k. The cost for Tesla to make them is about $60k. There may be some aspects of the truck which allow Tesla to save considerable money versus the X and S, but there are also some elements of heavy trucks that cost A LOT more. So I consider it a wash.

Anyone who thinks the cybertruck will cost tesla $17k is delusional.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 04, 2019, 04:50:09 PM »
The Model3 was never going to be built, according to GSY. 

Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. Just a total lie.

Then it was never going to be made in volume. 

Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. Just a total lie.

Then it was never going to make a profit.

Tesla best 4 Qs in a row in the last 5 year resulted in a $330,000,000 LOSS. Average is about a billion dollar a year loss. Tesla doesn't make profits.

Then Tesla was going bust.

Tesla is going bust. They burn cash. You can burn a billion dollars year of other ppl's money for a while, but eventually ppl find a new incinerator.

Gigafactory 3 was never going to be built.

Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. Just a total lie.

Then it would not produce a single car before the end of 2020.

Of course not! You believed they would be operational in May or some nonsense like that. I figured Tesla couldn't set up a factory WAY faster than anyone ever has, and OF COURSE I WAS RIGHT.

Now onto Giga4 though, right? LOL.

Giga1 30% operational.
Giga2 5% operational.
Giga3 0% operational.

GigaTotal 12% operational. WE NEED MORE CAPACITY. Giga4!!! LOL.

I'll wait to add the model Y production to the list of never happening.

That will be a future lie. Always good to be prepared for your next straw-man arguments.

I'll expect more Semi's to appear.

So, magic isn't real. Tesla needs to set up a production line to actually manufacture vehicles. They haven't yet. Nor do they have permits to do so. Nor have any plans been announced on how they would do so. On a "product" launched in 2017. The emperor has no clothes.

Compare the track records of Tesla commitments and GSY predictions.  I do not feel I am on a losing streak.

You couldn't be more wrong. Almost every one of "my false predictions" is a pure fantasy of yours which I never actually said. Meanwhile fElon spews nonsense constantly...and it is well documented...

https://elonmusk.today/

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 03, 2019, 01:15:26 AM »
Note for those interested in the cybertruck:


The cybertruck will never exist. The design does not make sense. Engineers were reportedly given 2 weeks to whip something up.

If it ever was built as show and sold, the cost would be about double the claimed $40k.

The components to make a truck a truck are heavy. In order to move those heavy components around takes a lot of battery power. (Significantly more power than moving a S or X). The basic truck component cost and battery cost would make the cybertruck cost at least $60k to build.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: December 03, 2019, 01:12:46 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/tesla-sells-more-products-it-doesnt-yet-make-products-it-does

Meanwhile, here are TSLA’s current cars/products not in production:

-Roadster (unveil was 2yrs ago)
-Semi (unveil was 2yrs ago)
-Model Y (TSLA refuses to mention how many pre-orders they’ve received here)
-Cybertruck ($100 fully-refundable deposits on a car that will likely cost $60K, or  0.167%, is the equivalent of someone putting $1.67 toward an $1,000 i-Phone & apple calling it an order)
-ATV
-FSD (to be FSD, TSLA would have had to achieve level 5 autonomy… they’re at level 2)

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 30, 2019, 03:02:16 PM »
Bullshite all right GSY .
Its called research wacko. You use Dr google  type in the right question next thing you find out about stuff.
That you are incapable of doing so  means you are gibbering nonsense from ignorance not talking about any actual demonstrable  reality.
This is a science based site for informed people or those who wish to learn,  That you can not even manage to do basic research instead rely on ignorant gibbering tells me you should not really be here .

Oh, I should have research fElon's "new alloy"? What would I find out about bullshitium? Is it made from Martian minerals? Is it 10x hard than normal metals? 10x stronger? 10x sexier?

Researching fElon's absurd claims is a hobby for simpletons. A smart person can just point and laugh.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 27, 2019, 06:18:37 AM »
Now the cybertruck is called a fake.


"We’re creating this alloy at Tesla. Not a problem to create a lot of it, but we’ll need to come up with new body manufacturing methods, as it can’t be made using standard methods."

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1198704127439560705


Ya it isn't fake. It is made out of a super secret super metal that nobody has ever worked with before. Very exciting. Not total bullshit.


EDIT:

From Luv my TSLA @MyTsla
Tesla is making these trucks out of rare earth alloy called "bullshittium".

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 23, 2019, 03:13:39 PM »
That hammer was totally real and made out of steel. It didn't do more harm to the white door because it was not properly used. If it was me swinging that hammer, I would put a hole to the white door and at the very least leave a mark on the stainless steel frame.

Whoa man, you can tell that it was made of steel? That is an impressive super power.

But no, it wasn't a real hammer. Maybe a dead blow hammer.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 23, 2019, 03:07:18 PM »
fElon's decision to "show off" the "bullet-proof" glass. Shows how much of a managerial moron he must be. Must be all "yes men" around him. Not a single person with their head on straight to tell the emperor he has no clothes.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 23, 2019, 03:04:06 PM »
That it will last for decades is the selling point.

Drive it on earth for a decade, then take it to Mars for the next decade. Muskian Cultists very smart.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 23, 2019, 03:01:33 PM »
Rivian’s R1T pickup starts at $69k.  For about that price, you could get a cybertruck with 2.9 second 0-60, more (500+ mile) range, and 50% more towing capacity.  The cybertruck is not just a pickup truck. It is a utility truck with sports car performance.

Actually you couldn't.

It isn't a utility truck. It isn't a sports car. It isn't really anything other than a stage prop and some made-up specs (including bulletproof)  ;)

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 22, 2019, 02:46:07 PM »
Oh the fraud.


Fake sledge hammer.

Fake ATV.

Fake bulletproof glass.

Fake specs.

Fake product.


Taking reservation now.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 22, 2019, 02:39:14 PM »
Not a box on wheels but close. Much more powerful than the competition. Much more durable than the competition. Cost of operation of an EV. Possible 1 million mile life expectancy. Starting at 39,995.

As a work tool, this vehicle will be amazing.

This is a case of function over form. I love function over form. But I also love the form of this vehicle. What I need to know is the drag coefficient of this thing.

You have clearly never used a work truck.

The thing is a joke. If you still don't get it, may the lord have mercy on your silly soul.

The Semi was "unveiled" years ago and still doesn't exist. This truck thing broke on stage and is a total laughing stock.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 22, 2019, 02:36:28 PM »
Tesla is a Rorschach Test to see who can actually think for themselves and trust their eyes vs those who are just virtue-signally hollow-brains who let themselves get told what to believe.

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Policy and solutions / Re: The Hyperloop
« on: November 14, 2019, 01:21:54 AM »
Its a fElon Musk idea. Total fiction. No working product. Semi, battery swap, super service, hovercraft, cyborg, alien dreadnaught, solar tile, pickup carrying a pickup, 7 seater model 3, 10x reuseable rocket.

I'm sure the list is waaaaaayyyy longer. But thats just off the top of my head.

Musk makes up nice sounding stuff. And he screams it from roofttops. He makes some money off the baffoons who buy into the impossible idea, but nothing comes of it.

Dr.Seuss at least made his clever nonsense rhyme.


HYPERLOOOP!!!!!!!

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Policy and solutions / Re: Electric cars
« on: November 14, 2019, 01:17:40 AM »
We have a Europe wide energy market though.

Maybe I'm wrong and I'm a moron. But I'm pretty sure you are wrong, and you are the moron.

There is not some sorta magic European wide energy market.


I mean, especially for electricity. Which seems to be the point you are making.

Norway cant just sell its surplus hydro power to portugal. You believe in a world that doesn't exist. Maybe it should it should exist. Maybe we should advocate for it. But confusing that with WHAT IS, is childish, sad, and pathetic.

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Policy and solutions / Re: The Boring Company
« on: November 14, 2019, 01:12:13 AM »
Big bricks and tunnel brace sections (upper left), likely made with the dig-site dirt, as promised.

This is the d*mbest thing ever.

I'm ever into earthworks. But this is the d**best thing ever.

Has boring company created a new drilling machine? No. Does the dirt the are digging up make for good rammed earth? No. This is the dumbest thing ever.

Who think that tunneling is the key to sustainability? Only the ****est ppl ever.

Bricks are basically free. The cost is in the transportation and resale. The dirt is nothing. Super nothing. That culttards think this is smart is the *um*best thing ever.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 14, 2019, 01:07:07 AM »
Only thing that is wondering me a bit is how and why he got the Chinese into the boat,
could be for technology transfer/know-how and the likes.

Duh. fElon is a perfect asset. Erratic drug-addict CEO "billionaire" with high level government top secret contracts who is financially illiquid! That is like a joke in the "how to recruit an asset" textbook, cuz it is way too perfect and the payoff is way too big.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 14, 2019, 01:03:49 AM »
We have had never make M3 in volume
We have had never make a profit
We have had Giga3 will never be built
We have had Giga3 will never produce a single vehicle

Just made up straw man nonsense.

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Walking the walk / Re: Zero-Carbon Farming and Living via the Acorn Path
« on: November 11, 2019, 03:25:20 PM »
My wife read this how-to on acorns and their preparation on a site she occasionally visits (and said: Hey, aren't some of your Arctic buddies involved with that?). I don't know if it's accurate or complete.

Not sure about your arctic buddies. But your arctic foes are!

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 11, 2019, 03:16:43 PM »
If you want to know how fElon tries to silence critics....well there are so many ways. But a common one is to sue them. And John Oliver made a video about these things last night, so I thought I'd share.



EDIT:

Here is a nice TSLAQ thread from today about the same thing...

https://twitter.com/TESLAcharts/status/1193857211069583362

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 11, 2019, 03:13:07 PM »
The required rescue of Solar City....

You are aware that fElon sold the acquisition as a business no brainer and promised future exponential growth and a new amazing product (fake roof tile).

It's total fraud. It is one of dozens of reason he is fElon. That you look at this whole saga and shrug and say, "whats the big deal", it insane and shows you to be a deranged person. I suggest you take a health dose of legal healthy dose of hallucinogens or go to a sweat lodge or spend 40 days in the desert. And rethink your life and your values.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: November 10, 2019, 03:11:59 PM »
https://buffalonews.com/2019/11/08/pennies-on-the-dollar-the-tesla-plant-isnt-worth-nearly-what-the-state-paid-to-build-it/

What happens when you give fElon $1 Billion taxpayer dollars? He turns it into $75 Million for you in a few short years.

New York State spent $958.6 million to build Tesla Inc.'s solar panel factory in South Buffalo and buy a big chunk of the equipment inside.

Now, auditors are saying the building and all that equipment is worth just under $75 million

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