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I did not go personal without a reason. Gerontocrat should not ask for silence in the data thread or any other thread if then he makes a “deposition” here and there. He is not entitled to make more noise in the data thread than anybody else.
I don’t want to put off anybody’s efforts, anyway the guy is pretty tough skin, I don’t think I will really upset him and it is no longer my intention.
The forum has lost quality and I am angry about it. I suspect the new moderation system has not done other than accelerating the downhill.
Would be nice if there was a simple term for us.
My inspiration is the Jews who fought back in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising rather than submit to the assembly line death march. They had no chance to get out alive, but they caused the bad guys to expend resources which made a difference to some anonymous people they would never know. The people on Flight 93 did something similar.
THAT ISN'T THE POINT OF FORUMS!
How is this:
I'm starting to notice a lot of people pushing back against BLM. The main agreement seems to be that if black military-aged-males commit the majority of the homicides despite being only 6% of the population, of course they have more violent interactions with the cops. I'm having trouble finding data that can push back against this narrative.
Normally there would be hundreds of them in various states of dissipation, forming a veil making it difficult to so clearly see single ones:Airplane trail?
Pretty positive that's it.
EC and GFS seem to agree that the high pressure dominance will end at day 7, which is within a day or two of when high pressure dominance ended in 2011.
There are many similarities. Another. Until this summer, in 2011 there was a record of the earliest opening of the Northeast Passage.
There is a high probability that the September minimum of 2012 will stand. In July 2011, on July 20, the ice extent was 400 thousand km2 ahead of 2007, but the 2007 record was not broken.
The current situation does not guarantee a catastrophe in September.
They are cartoonish archetypes whose ideas are not (and should not be) taken seriously.
There seems to be a lot of mind reading going on here and its seems like a deflection to avoid discussing matters of substance.
As bl says, "play the ball, not the man".
.. says an optimist .b.c.
The surface temperature of melting ice is always going to be zero until the ice has melted and turned into water - that's thermodynamics -
Attached is the latest DMI 80N temperature chart. It shows the 2m temps coming down from an above normal peak. The forecast calls for a further decline in a few days. If it's not clear, I'm referring to temps at 2m, not at 0m.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
I'm assuming said individual doesn't "help out" people of color.
You might be surprised. Most midwestern racists I know would help any individual without hesitation. Their racism is focused on erosion of their culture rather than outward hatred. If you saw one of them interacting with a person of color, you probably would have no idea they were racist. Of course their inward xenophobic racism is still a scourge on society that does harm to all people in myriad ways, and I don't hesitate to tell them that. I'll talk with them about many issues, but I'm not going to concede on anything that I believe to be fascist.
One is a bigoted racist (yes, i call him that to his face, and he agrees)
The bigoted racist is an artist with big blade earth mover. All volunteer. No one got paid. We put the project together, had state DNR sign off, donated equipment, time, manpower, materiel and we are getting it done.
That aint gonna stop me working with them. Ya, these guys might not agree with me on a bunch of things (they have terrible taste in beer, for example) but i work with em where we agree.
Especially when that same guy is the one that comes by and stays with us all night soaked to the skin in a storm in freezing weather to keep a blocked culvert open so the road dont collapse.
We know where we stand, but we help each other out. Whatcha gonna do, stand there and snicker when the guy is drowning because he dont share your ideas ? Thats a pretty cold way to live.
sidd
@Oren as outrageous bbr claim can be, you should have responded in a post apart. Otherwise you're taking moderator privilege to highlight your own response, while not really moderating. I say this from the greatest respect to your labor.
So if you read my post carefully you can't just assume (jump to conclusion) that I'm talking about 65N and up because in fact i mentioned that I'm not.
Further the replies are not really surprising, in fact it's quite common to pick on a value or a word to discredit the entire post and it's meaning.
Wipneus processed a Jaxa-like number, the line is in the plot as well, but it is not exactly Jaxa extent. But you can see the tendency (daily, not 2-day average). Seems Jaxa is not going down much today as will include a flat day in the averageIn the meantime, this graph is up-to-date
If Wipneus has the JAXA number... ?
One more record to be registred.
The earliest date below 8M km2
The shortest ever "slot" from 9M down to 8M km2.
Old record was 7 days in 2005 !
I just cannot see this year not being a record anymore.
JAXA - 2.25 - 2.75 (High)
NSIDC - 2.75 - 3.25 (High)
if 2019 will reach a >300km2 gap in early august it's quite probable because then the GAC has been pre-compensated. if they reach the second week of august head-on, chance are high that 2012 will make the race one last time
That is not a real chart of july 3rd. It would mean a BOE within two weeks.It's not the real thickness. It merely shows how easily the ice will melt (which may still be thick). And it seems right now pretty much every place is vulnerable.
On an earth system time scale, we are ringing a bell with a sledge hammer, and we are only hearing the very first vibrations.
I presented the images that back up my claims, so I have provided the same level of evidence I ask of anyone who wants to dispute my claim. Your accusation of double standards is false and offensive.
its a question of whether people trust my (and those who agree with me) subjective eyeball estimates, and whether anyone who disagrees can put together some convincing images to show otherwise.
Despite all of the hyperbole and wish casting, 2019 WILL not be in the top 3 lowest sea ice minimums on record in area or extent.
All the subjective interpretation of data will not translate to reality, no matter how many members reiterate it.
there won't be ice in hudson by then.
what would that take away from the 2nd place prediction ?
The Slater prediction has its value, but the Slater map, in my view, is pretty strange. I would not base any specific interpretations upon it.
They found that during a 40-day period in the summer of 2017, the coast had retreated a remarkable 47 feet — with daily rates of collapse sometimes exceeding 3 feet.
Slater's latest shows a XXX-rated "Pole Hole" coming to a planet near you by July 24th.
For some reason the image isn't updating properly ^, if it isn't showing 7/24, click here for the exclusive XXX-rated content.
http://cires1.colorado.edu/~aslater/SEAICE/
It seems strange to me that this image is showing a high percentage chance that the little ice arm extending on the siberian coast towards Chukchi will still be there a month and a half from now. It seems in awful shape already when inspecting on worldview. The little piece attaching to the alaskan coast is likely to still be there too, according to the image. I find that very hard to believe.
I totally appreciate the bookeeping. It's excellent.
I don't see any analysis here, I see a daily conclusion that there is no reason to believe that sea ice levels will decline by above average amounts in the near term. The analysis behind that conclusion is opaque.
The reference to users who are predicting higher losses to come as predicting Armageddon comes across as passive aggressive.
There are some new users who might come here and look at the data and think everything is fine, especially when the person delivering the data is reinforcing that message.
I'm with Greta Thunberg. People should have appropriate fear of where we are heading. What happens from day to day is a mystery, but the decadal trend is horrible.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can be grateful for the data and be critical of the accompanying editorial.
OK, so the snow is melting. This happens at this time of year.Yeah, and the same happens with sea ice, and with the frost in my freezer if I unplug it.
Dumbest thing I read, your entire comment.
Should we then close the thread and talk about football? Come on, ice is gonna melt, more or less who knows, who cares, hey its freaking normal in summer!!
How snow melts out in May and June, on continents and on ice, is relevant to what’s gonna happen to ice, be it causality or correlation, and I pay good attention to it.
Blocking highs are not something new, but their intensity and persistence in increasing. The record Greenland melt years of 2010 and 2012 were associated with strong high pressure over Greenland. Those were also bad years for the Arctic sea ice.
The coming together over the Arctic ocean of the Alaskan block and the Greenland block is particularly bad for sea ice because it creates a dipole that imports heat from the Pacific and exports ice through the Fram Strait.
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.
Will 2019 stay as the lowest on record for the whole April?
Or will 2016 become the lowest on record on the following days?
Yikes!... it is 8 days out, but the map shows a major low pressure system impacting the Bering, Chukchi, and Beaufort with +0C warmth and significant wind, waves, and likely rain as well.
Well, I've thought it over and maybe people would dismiss a hippy type talking on AGW. Not me, it would make me more likely to believe that he really means it and that he doesn't have an axe to grind.
I respect Ted Kaczynski for how he lived (not for, you know, the bombing shit), he showed he meant it.
People who believe taxes should be raised for the common good should add a high voluntary contribution to their annual tax return - or they are hypocrites and their voices cannot be heard. Right?
(Wrong - they campaign for a shared pain, and are willing to take the pain when it is adopted, though not before. They are not martyrs, but neither are they hypocrites)
People who campaign for a global ban or sharp reduction of flights should not fly themselves. Right?
(Wrong - they campaign for a shared pain, and are willing to take the pain when it is adopted, though not before. They are not martyrs, but neither are they hypocrites)
Even if you are an Atheist, you have to admit the embryo is human. What else would it be...an aardvark? And if you can kill a human because it is less than 9 months old, can you kill him/her because he/she is less than 6 years old? After all, such children do not think as sophisticatedly as us adults. Or should we use an IQ test where you have to score 100 or more? If that is too high, why not just 90? Or go up to 110 and just have smarter people. Where do you draw the line?
Actually, as a Catholic, I believe no one should masturbate, which is why I replied to your post that way. But that is not something for law, because an innocent life is not at stake until conception. It is also a Mortal Sin to miss Mass on Holy Days and Days of Obligation, but I am not going to pass a law on that either. But when a helpless infant in the womb is involved, then the law should protect that infant.
Some feedback - not sure if you are aware but images don’t seem to load on mobile. When I hold down on the empty space and ask to open image though, it does show up on the next tab.
I still have to upload daily updated images to google drive and insert a shared link into the website. (I don't know yet how put them on the github server)
Oren had the exact same problems and it had something to do with his googleaccount. Can you try opening the webpage in incognito mode?
btw iirc, that single ≥ 3.5 ppm vote was by me. I might end up wrong on that obviously but we'll see huh?
