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Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 02, 2020, 12:10:34 AM »
I used to dig a lot more than I do now. I still do some digging for laying wood down for hugelkultur, but I don't really have to dig potatoes out of the ground anymore, since I grow them in piles of leaves!

Alex, fungus and bacteria are everywhere and find there way into everything. But undisturbed, healthy soil is generally much richer in both (but especially fungus) than even most commercially sold compost, or so I'm told by folks who follow this stuff much more deeply than i do.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 01, 2020, 05:34:44 AM »
cover crops, my friend... cover crops

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: June 29, 2020, 07:25:17 PM »
Maybe this should go in the 'stupid questions' thread, but there are reports of lots of forest fires in Siberia after the big heat wave. Are those likely to deposit wind-blown ash on parts of the sea ice, changing albedo and leading to even faster melt?

Warning Sign of Major Proportions': Number of Siberian Forest Fires Increase Fivefold in Week Since Record High Temperature

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 29, 2020, 07:18:26 PM »
Phoenix, I saw that sad set of statistics, too.

One number left out, though, is the small but growing percentage of the population that has already had the virus.

And perhaps with a new president sending out consistent messaging, we could get the non-vaccinator numbers down by a few percentage points, too.

But yeah, it looks pretty grim.

Bbbut, at least... WE'RE STILL NUMBER ONE!!  ;D :-\  >:(

Consequences / Re: Floods
« on: June 29, 2020, 04:27:35 PM »
Lots of flooding around Minnesota and Wisconsin, with some areas reportedly getting 9 inches (23 c) over night

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: June 29, 2020, 12:52:45 AM »
Rod, I appreciate your concern, but really, isn't that what the ASI Blog is for? Am I missing something?

(And I'd love to hear your explanation of what is and isn't 'radical,' but that would involve you in a political conversation, I maybe not?  :-\ )

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: June 28, 2020, 03:26:13 PM »
That is a widespread motif in literature that apparently goes back to a work called "The Mysteries of Russia" where it is used as a political metaphor for how oppressive systems sap the humanity from their subjects.

It's not clear that wolves regularly (or ever) displayed such behavior, but it has been part of the myths about them that have encouraged people to exterminate wolves in the 'Old' and 'New' Worlds.

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: June 28, 2020, 02:12:18 AM »

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: June 27, 2020, 06:33:56 PM »
Good suggestions, all.

If you go with the wood chip suggestion, you should be even more careful to go with the bean suggestion, as wood chips tend to leach the soil of nitrogen. Clover is also nitrogen fixing, but obviously is not edible by humans (though some can be used for a nice tea).

You have to make your own choices, obviously. But weeds are generally considered weeds because they out-compete vegetables and most other plants for soil nutrients and moisture.

But yeah, you shouldn't expect to be particularly successful in gardening on your first try, any more than you would expect to pain a masterpiece the first time you put paint to canvas

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: June 27, 2020, 04:35:03 AM »

Thanks, kass. We got to see them live a couple years ago. We seemed to be the oldest ones in the crowd by a decade or two. Very fun, enjoyably raucous time

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 27, 2020, 03:47:55 AM »
We run from  our horrors, but the horror inevitably follows us...

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 25, 2020, 03:03:47 AM »
Good points, gl

Yes, it was a camera that prompted this thread (and more importantly a worldwide movement).

But it wasn't a camera worn by a cop.

I'm saying that cameras on cops is another way for some to feel that the situation is being taken care of, when in fact it is much deeper, something that a few cameras on a few cops will never begin to address.

But yeah, that they couldn't even get that weak measure through shows just how far the Republicans are to facing up to any of this sh!t

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 24, 2020, 09:36:10 PM »
Phoenix wrote:

Police reform appears to be dead in the senate.

The sticking points appear to be qualified immunity for cops, banning chokeholds and body camera requirements.

I always found it a bit weird to put trust in body cameras. Requiring them already implies pretty much total lack of faith in the cops. Why keep around a work force you have no faith in?

And if you don't trust people so much that you have to record their every move, why do you think they won't find various ways around the camera thing, as many have in many instances?

To the extent that we continue with anything like a police force anywhere, qualified immunity has definitely got to end, or be vastly scaled back. You can't have an entire segment of the population that can, in the words of our fearless leader, shoot someone on 5th Avenue in broad daylight and get away with it.

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 24, 2020, 04:16:51 PM »
But this piece suggests that corporate, old school dems, including Biden, may be in trouble this fall:

Policy and solutions / Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« on: June 23, 2020, 06:15:59 PM »
So do you think that status and comfort are the only things that motivate any human being ever?

Consequences / Re: Sea Level Rise and Social Cost of Carbon
« on: June 23, 2020, 06:13:27 PM »
'Coastal' can have many meanings, I suppose.

But what is relevant here is proximity to current and future sea levels.

There are lots of bayous connected to the Mississippi Delta that are essentially at current sea level, but do not, by and large house the wealthy along their banks...quite the opposite.

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 23, 2020, 06:00:47 PM »
Thanks for that perspective, Walrus.

Again, I would say that racism is too complex to just restrict it to any narrow range, including just intentional actions.

Some use the distinction of active versus passive racism. Active racism, on the individual level, is the kind of intentional activity you are talking about (though the line between intention and non-intention can be fuzzy sometimes).

But there is also passive racism (again, I'm talking in this case about the personal level), where you don't counter racism when you see it, and don't act aggressively to fight against its pervasive systemic forms. I would say that most whites are guilty of this form at some level, though I understand that many (especially whites! :) ) don't find it useful to lump both of these together.

What we all need to be is actively anit-racist.

Words create meaning in many ways, and besides the denotative discussions we are having here, we should also be clear that a term like 'racism' and 'racist' also can have strong connotative meanings...they can be emotionally charged 'fighting words' so to speak.

So it can be hard to navigate these semantic waters without someone getting their hackles up at some point. Hopefully we can avoid those kinds of reactions here.

Thanks all for a valuable discussion  so far, by the way. And apologies for any toes stepped on when I was under maximum stress a couple weeks ago.

The rest / Re: Archaeology/Paleontology news
« on: June 23, 2020, 04:30:12 AM »
Good point about how pacing would actually account for the irregularity. I had thought that maybe they constructed a very, very long rope to get an exact circle. Rope technology is quite old, as I recall. But your account does make good sense.

I used to live near some fairly impressive mounds in Macon, Georgia, US. There were also pits dug around these, but in more irregular patterns, I think, and not as far away.

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 22, 2020, 05:03:03 PM »
Tom may be making the common mistake here of confusing prejudice--which is everywhere and which probably humans could not function without some form of it--and systemic, or 'institutional' racism.

A short thought exercise my help clarify--if you were a Jew living under Hitler's Germany, you probably would have quite a few prejudices against many of their non-Jewish German neighbors. But I hope you can see, Tom, that the consequences of their prejudice is less dire than the systemic racism of German society at that time against them.

(Most activists use racism and systemic racism interchangeably, which can also be a problem. Racism, like so many things, is as complex as it is pervasive in much of modern society)

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: June 21, 2020, 06:27:11 PM »
nan, you might try sewing winter rye this fall. It will compete with your other grasses, but is an annual so won't keep coming back.

Grasses are pretty amazing really. I read that a four month old sprout of rye will have a root system that, if you laid out every bit of it in a straight line, would be something like 500 k long, iirc.

So they can be great at developing soils (basically how the American midwest got its deep but now thinning layer of topsoil), but yeah, perennial grasses can be a major hassle.

If you follow Cid's advise, just be sure you got the 'weeds' before they started putting out seed, or you will be basically helping the weeds reseed into your garden.

If you have a big enough compost (~ on meter ^3), it will likely get hot enough to kill most weed seeds.

Best, of luck, and just so you know, I encourage and even plant certain 'weeds' (native grasses and flowers), but regularly move them off to the periphery of the garden.

Consequences / Re: Heatwaves
« on: June 21, 2020, 08:03:33 AM »
Yes, some are now using the term 'perma-melt'  :'(

Tiny sand grains trigger massive glacial surges
"It's within the realm of possibility that we could get 1 to 3 meters of sea-level rise from West Antarctica within our lifetimes," Minchew says. This type of shearing mechanism in glacial surges could play a major role in determining the rates of sea-level rise you'd get from West Antarctica."

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 19, 2020, 12:58:31 PM »
And these statistics would be

The thread is about cops, who are supposedly sworn to protect citizens, brazenly and casually killing citizens they are supposed to protect. And that killing (and other brutality) by those supposed protectors is far more likely to happen to you if you're Black (though all US citizens are far more likely to get killed by those supposedly there to protect us than in any other supposedly developed country).

So again, how would those stats be relevant to this particular discussion?

Or is this yet another example of 'whataboutism'?

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: June 18, 2020, 08:21:52 PM »
Wow, what a relief!! Send him our very best wishes.

Arctic sea ice / Re: "Stupid" Questions :o
« on: June 18, 2020, 08:18:38 PM »
"there is still significant energy arriving in the infrared spectrum (otherwise the sun would not heat the Earth)"

This seems...the best word I can find is confused

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 18, 2020, 02:16:18 PM »
Funny, dnem, I was thinking the same thing.

Inside transmission seems to be much more likely than getting it outside.

I would think that this would extend to places (like Minnesota) where most people have all their windows open during the summer, rather than air conditioning.

A test case may be if we get a string of 90+ F days (32+ ), in which case most people who have them will put in window units and shut all the windows.

I doubt most systems have very sophisticated filters

Recently, at least, the Catholic Church has been very much a promoter of AGW concern, so that may help explain the high level of concern on those countries.

In a country where about 40% of the population still approve of the job Trump is doing, I'm surprised the US didn't score even worse.

The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: June 16, 2020, 12:47:51 AM »
Trump's disapproval rating in the aggregate polling at 538 is higher than any time in about a year and a half (since the depths of his idiotic government shut down).

Will this no ~6 week trend continue?

Policy and solutions / Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« on: June 15, 2020, 12:09:17 AM »
Very nicely put, kassy!

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 14, 2020, 11:59:33 PM »
It is known


And see:

The amount of particles a person is exposed to can affect how likely they are to become infected and, once infected, how severe the symptoms become.

The amount of virus necessary to make a person sick is called the infectious dose. Viruses with low infectious doses are especially contagious in populations without significant immunity.

The minimum infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is unknown so far, but researchers suspect it is low. “The virus is spread through very, very casual interpersonal contact,” W. David Hardy, a professor of infectious disease at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, told STAT.

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 14, 2020, 03:50:55 AM »
Tom, I've read academic studies that confirm that this is indeed the general pattern. Mostly, older police are less likely to use lethal force, while new recruits come to policing through the lens of cop shows they see on tv. Generally, the older cops tend to have a mellowing influence on younger cops as they tutor them.

This was not, apparently, the case with the cops who killed George Floyd (remember his name).

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: June 13, 2020, 05:45:31 AM »

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: June 13, 2020, 05:42:45 AM »

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 12, 2020, 10:17:49 PM »
Tom, your article swings from admitting the horrid, long history of racism, to suddenly pretending that his racism suddenly and magically and completely vanished and is no longer a factor, with no supporting evidence (perhaps, because there isn't any?).

And it also breathtakingly refuses to see any connection between the long (and yes, ongoing) horrid history of racism, and what roll that history played in the 'cultural' traits discussed.

The levels of blindness (nicest word I can think of right now) that the writer unconsciosly reveals are too multifold and pervasive to fully unpack here. But at the very least (and again,  using the nicest word I can muster) it is a vastly simplistic picture of complex history and present.

kass, I would agree that all of white society has participated in the history of black suppression, and yes  is particularly disappointing behavior for those who have at least given lip service to the needs of oppressed minorities.

But blacks (and especially black women) have consistently voted overwhelmingly for Democrats.

Are you saying that they are all, and have long been, completely and utterly wrong, and they should have thrown all their support behind Trump, for example, in the last election?

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: June 11, 2020, 05:46:40 AM »
we named our only child 'Etta'...need i say more...

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: June 11, 2020, 05:33:27 AM »
it's on us

to end this


The rest / Re: Good music
« on: June 11, 2020, 05:29:45 AM »
no words

remember their names

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 11, 2020, 05:27:13 AM »
went to The Site today

moved beyond words

can't breath



The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: June 10, 2020, 08:34:18 PM »

But that number keeps going down over the last few weeks. But, yeah, I have always found it rather flabbergasting and disheartening than anybody other than some lunatic fringe would support this guy.

But nearly the entire Republican Part seems to have become a large 'lunatic fringe'--his support remains higher than most other Republican presidents during their presidencies among Republicans.

The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: June 10, 2020, 08:11:03 PM »
Not sure what it's worth, polls being pretty damn unreliable these days, but 538 aggregate polling (and most others) show Trump's support collapsing and his disapproval sky rocketing

And...for a bit of comic relief:

Trump campaign demands CNN apologize for poll that shows Biden leading

(This is NOT an Onion article!  :o )

No expert here, but isn't this what is meant by snow having an insulating value, at least within that narrow range?

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: June 08, 2020, 05:10:53 AM »
Thanks, nan

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: June 08, 2020, 01:20:19 AM »
The world's 25 richest just made over a quarter trillion dollars in just the last two months

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 08, 2020, 12:51:23 AM »
9 of our 13 city council members here in Minneapolis announced their plans to dismantle the police department today...

Now all we have to do is dismantle racism ! :)

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 07, 2020, 02:22:55 PM »
Absolutely, but the brunt of that work, as is generally the case, has fallen on the relatively young.

I have been concerned that Trump, if/when he loses the next election, will simply declare the election invalid and establish a military dictatorship.

On the one hand, the actions of some in the military refusing to go along with Trump's recent plans, gives me some hope that he won't be able to do this.

On the other hand...

‘American secret police’? Trump deployment of unidentified law enforcement officials across DC sparks alarm

This is some scary sh!t (on top of all the other scary s!hit going on...)

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 07, 2020, 02:05:41 PM »
Thanks for these, as always, vox

I would guestimate that ten times those numbers would be on the street if it weren't for covid, and maybe more.

This includes nearly all my relatives, friends and neighbors.

And for every person who is strongly enough motivated to take his voice to the street, there are generally ten more who are sympathetic but not motivated or unable to join the protest.

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 05, 2020, 08:22:52 PM »
Minneapolis City Council taking first steps to ‘dismantle’ police department

Has that been done anywhere else?

ETA: Ah, just saw this from a tweet that was quoted a ways down in the article:

"Camden, New Jersey completely disbanded & reconstituted its police force."

Maybe worth looking into how that went...

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 05, 2020, 05:44:54 AM »
to paraphrase chris h

“I do not fight fascists because I will win. I fight fascists because they are [fucking] fascists.”

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 05, 2020, 05:00:12 AM »
We're not eager to get back to normal

We're planning on how to go forward

to something that will be better

than the old fucking normal...

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: June 05, 2020, 04:58:47 AM »
r we gonna let the elevator break us down...

oh no

let's go

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