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Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: Today at 03:05:59 PM »
If you have the edible type of lavender, you can make some syrup. The flowers have to be collected when the bees are not  interested anymore. You put it in a pan, add water so that it reaches the level of the flowers, let cook it for 15 minutes and let it stay one more hour.
When that's done, you filter it, keeps the liquid, add the same weigh of sugar and cook it an extra 15 minutes. Afterward you can put it in bottles. When you feel nervous, you can mix some of the syrup with hot water and drink it as a tee.
You can do the same with thyme, but that's for when you have a cold, also to be mixed with hot water.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: Today at 07:34:18 AM »
Well, the problem was more on the side of the national authorities that though that it was just a flu. Luxembourg is also going toward a second wave. We have now a weekly average of 4 cases per day and people feel so safe, it's just unbelievable. Once again, national authorities have not been able to provide a good message, I guess because they want to restart the economy as fast as possible.

Policy and solutions / Re: Becoming Vegan
« on: Today at 07:23:45 AM »
Making everything public is not always the solution, first of all because you can't control everything and cheaters might get better rankings than people doing the job seriously. I prefer a size limitation (number of animals) and a transport limitation (maximum time in a truck). I heard that the police doesn't like to control international pigs' transport because there is almost always a problem, and they don't know what to do with the pigs when they stop the truck.

The rest / Re: Masks
« on: May 30, 2020, 07:57:32 PM »
N95 or FFP2 masks also provide a good protection against pollen if you have allergies. But the weak point are the eyes, I guess just like with Covid19, it goes from the eyes down into the nose, but it is much more comftable than just sunglasses. So this year it is possible for people with pollen allergies to do sport outside with a N95/FFP2 mask without having everybody looking at you like if you were an alien.
Just like with Covid19, you have to take a shower when you remove the mask.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 29, 2020, 09:04:16 AM »
In the fight against slugs, I have found a flower, the rudbeckia hirta, that is so much liked by slugs that it seems to protects the other ones around. Looks like it helps.
My wife wanted some because of the flowers, and they were so much eaten that I put some between my vegetables. It seems to become big, but in the strategical places, some animals, I guess slugs, keep them small. In other places, they grow normally. It's a north American plant, don't know if you have experiences with that plant. Here, it is only used for decoration.

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: May 28, 2020, 07:15:22 PM »
Well, I think I agree with Neven. If we had been reasonable, hadn't put the older generation in retirement home, the younger generation in nursery, so that both parents can work like crazy, I think we would have been able to handle much better this pandemic.
Instead of going toward a more sustainable way of life, I feel that we are running toward a major crash. Well, good friends are getting good contracts from the state.

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: May 25, 2020, 10:53:57 PM »
If the way lockdown were organised where quite similar, the opening is quite different and much more politically oriented. Movie-theaters, air travel and pubs open before playgrounds in Luxembourg, it's because social distancing is quite difficult between kids.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 25, 2020, 07:44:27 AM »
There are plants like tomatoes where you really don't know which seed will germinate, so you can let them germinate together, than you can separete them in individual containers.
I use the germination in containers technique also because of slugs and birds, otherwise I don't know if the plant has been eaten or if there was no germination.

Well, I also use the stone quite a lot. I had a material science class in College a long time ago, and it is what I remember of that time.
There aren't so many old men who used the scythe intensively. Tractors arrived after WW2, and that's already more than 70 years ago.
On normal years, I wouldn't need a scythe, it's because of the Covid19 that I couldn't use the machine of a neighbor to cut the grass regularly, so it became to high for that machine. It's a field were we cut the grass so that the kids can play soccer, but with social distancing, the concept didn't work well this year. If I had the opportunity to use it more often, I would need a teacher.
One of my sons tried the scythe, and he wasn't convinced. He didn't have the patience to learn.

Instead I found this knive sharpening tool in an abandoned kitchen drawer (foto attached). I also use it for the axe.
The blade of the scythe is made of a "thick" piece of steel (I guess it is not Iron) that is not hard enough to be sharpened, but that is strong enough to support all the strokes it will get while working. The fold makes it rigid and stable.

The penning is there to create a short area that is extremely hardened (shaping steel at low temperature has a strong hardening effect) , very thin, that can be sharpened, but that would break if it wasn't supported by the thicker part.

If you have a scythe that has been well penned during years, I'm sure you can just use a sharpening stone for years, but a time will come where the steel will become softer and the stone would have to be used so often that some penning will be required. My father in law has such a scythe, but I had to buy a new one, and my feeling is that "ready to use" in fact means "ready for penning".

I guess that if the scythe was fully hardened in the factory, that it wouldn't be possible to create the thin border that is required to cut the grass.

According to this web-site, the problem might not be the length of the handle, but the position of the elements.

I'll have to try next time.

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: May 23, 2020, 05:50:30 PM »
Good article in Time about College graduating young adults in 2020
How COVID-19 Will Shape the Class of 2020 For the Rest of Their Lives
Elissa DeFranceschi, Drexel University Class of 2020, with her boyfriend in Philadelphia Elissa DeFranceschi, Drexel University Class of 2020, with her boyfriend in Philadelphia
Hannah Beier
By Charlotte Alter | Photographs by Hannah Beier
May 21, 2020 6:57 AM EDT

They call it commencement because it’s supposed to be a new beginning.

College graduation is one of life’s last clean transitions, a final passage from adolescence to adulthood that is predictable in ways other transitions rarely are. Relationships end with breakups or death, jobs often end with quitting or firing, but college is one of the only things in life that ends with a fresh start. Except when it doesn’t.

Well, I would say that I reached level 2 in sharpening, I am now able to cut thin grass. It's not perfect but it's a step forward. Thanks Bruce for the video.
If somebody has a good tutorial on how to make a handle, I'd be very happy. Mine is good, it's a metallic industrial one, but it is too short. I have to bend my knees quite a lot and my back hurts quite fast.

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: May 23, 2020, 09:53:38 AM »
Interesting article from CJ Hopkins, part 1 is also interesting, but I can't put all the pieces together.

What bothers me most is that he says that lockdowns are there to reinforce the grip of the powerful on society, but Trump is an anti-lockdown.

I'm not sure that the picture is so easy to take, but I agree with the fact that governments have difficulties to recognize that they could have been wrong. When you start with "it's a flu", make a lockdown, try wide testing but don't find many cases so you stop doing it - but people willing to be tested still can't excepted if they have the right symptoms, than require masks without providing precises rules so that the police can decide if you're right or wrong, do some tracking without giving yourself the capacity to do it (restaurants will open soon, but they won't have to keep a track of who was there - don't need a name, just a phone number)... somehow it looks like they recommend what they have the capacity to offer... some steps must have been wrong, but if you can't discuss it, than you loose your credibility, people stop following your advises, an your policies - even the good ones - can only be implemented with the help of the police.

Where I live, people don't inform the Police when neighbors don't respect the rules, even Policemen living here don't do it, but at work, policemen can be annoying, I guess they need to show some results.

What worries me most is that science doesn't seem to be an issue. Why should airlines not be obliged to keep free seats, but restaurants have to ? Why were supermarket allowed to open the hobby section while hobby shops, bookstores... had to stay closed. Why do we save and open first companies that are worsening AGW ? If you can sit for two hours in a plane, why can't you in a movie-theater ? Why are kids playing together on the street, but not in school ? Cases are really very low now, being closer to one-another with masks outside of a building seems to be relatively safe, so what's the issue ? Why is it not possible to provide general guidelines, why is it not possible to explain what is safe and what is not ? Why is it not possible if some areas have no cases ? I feel that if people have to hide in order to meet makes it more dangerous, you can't open the window if you are having fun with friends, you would hear it from the outside. There is also an extra stupid question, why do some people feel that they are so important that they go to work with fever ?

The guy on the video recommended by Bruce also has a video about the second step of the sharpening, with the stone.

Both are very interesting.

I reached the level 1 in sharpening, which means that I can cut thicker plants like buttercups, but grass still bend when I try to cut it.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 19, 2020, 08:02:21 PM »
I made a graph with the number of daily new cases in Luxembourg, with a 7 days average, and a signal showing if the 7 days average goes up or down.

Now that the lockdown is eased since a few weeks (construction sites since 3 weeks, shops and schools since one week), the up/down signal is more often up than down. We stay very low compared to the peak, but I wouldn't restart air travels like planned for I think next week.

Well, my experience is that the scythe is not so difficult, but the sharpenning of the scythe is a major issue, so I haven't been able to use mine in good conditions.
I was told to use it in the morning when there is more humidity in the grass, it helps.

Interesting article about technology and pandemics, but I don't agree with all what it contains. Some local shops also make better business right now, I have never been so much to the shop around the corner and really try to avoid large supermarkets, well I have to say that I never enjoyed them. Ordering clothes over the internet is not only linked with good experiences, I would say that for about half of what we ordered, we just keep it because we need something, few items will go to the local charity, we just send back expensive items that don't match the reqirements.

Quarantine is the future big tech wanted us to want. How long before we want out?

Consequences / Re: Climate Change and Landslides
« on: May 17, 2020, 07:47:53 AM »
Train accident in France because of a landslide.

I wonder if a mix of drought and heavy rains doesn't make the ground less stable than engineers are used to.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 17, 2020, 07:37:18 AM »
It's funny, on wikipedia, in French, many plants, including the Hesperis matronalis have a medical use. Not so much in English.
The freezing was also very strong over here. I'm lucky that my wife stopped me in my will to plant. We lost some pumpkins, unfortunately the ones the kids wanted to try to sale during the summer. It was the first time they wanted to try it.

The forum / Re: Arctic Sea Ice Forum Humor
« on: May 15, 2020, 09:33:35 PM »
Middle school humor, it was for the art-class in home schooling.
The original version is in Luxembourgish.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 12, 2020, 10:20:14 PM »
Finally, Prof. Dr. Christian Drosten said something about the transmission path on todays podcast.

He thinks ~ half of all infections are due to aerosol, another ~ half due to droplets, and only a small part due to smear infection.
This seems reasonable to me, otherwise track and trace wouldn't bring so good results. It is always said that you need more than a short contact with an infected person to get sick, so this matches with the idea that surfaces transmission isn't very efficient.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 10, 2020, 11:47:19 AM »
The reason that this thread has been somewhat derailed is that most of the science is close to final

There is another thing that we don't know, but it will take time to find it out. The reason why some areas seem more fertile for the virus is really not clear for me. Is it pollution, genetics, culture... Age distribution explains the difference in the number of death, but not of cases.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 10, 2020, 11:34:21 AM »
Slugs are back in Luxembourg.
The French government organized a web site to help people since many chemicals are not allowed anymore. Here is what they say about it. Nothing really new.

I have a new gardening book that recommends a mulch with oak's leaves (too early) or horsetail (don't have any), so right now I cut them in 2 pieces.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 09, 2020, 12:21:19 PM »

Is this the Kawasaki stuff that the UK organisation tried to defuse? It seems really important that SARS-CoV-2 is a danger to children, after all, isn't it? Are there any behavioural scientists encouraging this kind of news?

It's a Kawasaki-like Covid-related syndrome.  But hey, it's only a few dozen children.  Their lives aren't so important, are they?  It's way more important to get the GDP back up, because the wealthy really need that GDP.
Yes, because the wealthy are the ones being devastated by mass unemployment, and not the people reliant on paychecks. No, definitely not. GDP is only for the wealthy, poor people live off the land, this hasn't even affected them!

This is completely disingenuous tripe. And it IS only a few dozen children. Oh well. We don't halt the world for car accidents, and that kills thousands of children per year. Life goes on.

But THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!! Oh noes. And not the 30% of people who are now unemployed, many of whom have children, who will imminently be unable to afford food or shelter as state unemployment funds reach 0.
Would it be possible to stop with this BS discussions. We know some people are scared, we know others aren't. It doesn't make sense to through the arguments from one side of the Internet to the other one.
We are entering in the next step of the Pandemic, maybe with a future 2nd wave (nobody knows, but I see a high probability), and there could have been a 3rd way between lockdown and full open, just look at Taiwan and Korea. I feel that the required measures have not been implemented during lockdown, making a second wave possible, and it makes me sad.
I heard that the reopening doesn't work too well, in Trier (Germany) some shops would have said that it was cheaper to be closed with employees paid by the unemployment fund than it is now to be open. We need to find ways that are acceptable, reasonable and safe so that life can restart more or less normally. The "it's a flu" message of some governments probably harmed economy more than the lockdown because people get the feeling that they have to protect themselves because the government doesn't do it, so people stay home because they think that they will not be protected outside.
Same thing with masks, when to many people don't wear one, I leave the area because I don't feel safe, and many people do like me. The ones who don't wear a mask show to the world that they don't care about others, that they have an egocentric personality. Same thing for the people who wear a mask that only filters the air that comes in.
Honestly, there are shops where I won't go again because I didn't feel safe the last time I was there, If some people feel they are heroes because they go downtown without masks, I'd like to tell them that they are idiots, they might infect some, but they scare  many who will stay home, so they make the restart of the economy more difficult.
Test, trace and protect is the only solution for the economy until we have herd immunity through vaccination or through major suffering.

Social medias are terrible. When works have to be done on the drinking water network, we used to inform the concerned people with an flyer in the mail box. Nowadays, people put these flyers on Facebook, so non concerned people get scared because they don't know if they are concerned, so we have to publish it also on our website.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 09, 2020, 07:42:35 AM »
In Luxembourg, I have the feeling that people are reluctant to be tested. This is probably linked to a too invasive policy. Once you are detected as positive, there are so many constraints to follow that it might be easier to self quarantine if this is an option. Students doing the high school diploma had the opportunity to be tested, but a positive result would have made almost impossible to go to the exams required for the high school diploma, so many didn't go.  I guess this is the result of a chaotic communication starting with "it's just  flu, masks are dangerous", and now with masks mandatory in specific situations that are not clearly defined (if you can't keep 2 meters distance) and a lack of information about the cases (where, how old...?).
We have a government that knows better what is good for us, and this probably brings that people don't agree to play the game. This is not specific to Covid19, but with this pandemic, it's quite easy to take care of yourself instead of following the advices of the government. With schools, taxes... It is much more difficult.
This is just a feeling.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 07, 2020, 06:54:15 AM »
The lockdowns are an emergency temporary measure. We should make the most out of them while they last. By making the most out of them I mean reducing the number of new cases to the lowest number possible. But lockdowns will not work forever, many are already breaking down.

Places that made the most out of their lockdown start from almost 0 new cases every day. Places that didn't shut down hard enough start from a high number of cases every day.

Places with a low number of new cases and with contact tracing capabilities should open everything but ask businesses and services to take precautions. Masking, avoiding crowded places, constant surface wiping, and social distancing should remain in place. Numbers of cases should go down to one every few days if any at all. Employers that can't provide PPE should be liable in both criminal and civil courts.

Even then, it is likely that epidemics break out in many places. Contact tracing must be right on top of the breakouts with local quarantines. This way life can resume.

Places who wasted their lockdowns are in trouble. As they relax rules, cases will go up. They are likely to see many local outbreaks and economic disruptions for the next year or two. Their fatality count will be high for many more months.
I fully agree, lockdowns were an emergency measure because of the failure of the track and trace strategy. I would add protect now that we know that masks are efficient.
My worry is that it is very difficult to reopen society after, and that I feel that the governments failed to organize the track, trace and protect strategy during the lockdown. Let's hope for the best, Covid19 really is a wierd sickness.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 06, 2020, 11:15:23 PM »
hawthornes under the moon.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 06, 2020, 07:52:22 AM »
 :you're welcome. Maastricht Luxembourg is worth more than 3 days, on the German and on the Belgian sides, but as far as I know, they are better equipped for pedestrians than for bicycles. I think that the roads could be dangerous and it goes up and down all the time.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 05, 2020, 08:36:41 PM »
Yes, thank you very much.  That's good to know, because I always planted them in pots or in May. That's for next year.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 04, 2020, 07:23:55 PM »
Just wondering, du sunflowers support a light freeze or is it like the tomatoes?

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 04, 2020, 05:33:58 PM »
Hi etienne, since you addressed me I have looked up Hawthorn to see what you could mean.

Is this your Hawthorn?  (Dutch: Eenstijlige Meidoorn)
In the description on wikipedia it says "The hermaphrodite flowers are produced in late spring (May to early June in its native area)" so it is very early for it too blossom and I would not worry about that.

I don't have this plant therefore I still don't understand why you have addressed me. Could you please explain what you mean?
Well, since Luxembourg and Belgium are very close to the Netherlands, I thought you would also have that plant where you live. I shared that way of knowing when the freezing time is over because it is a good reminder that even if April sometimes has very good weather, it is too early to take the tomatoes out.
With the potatoes, I always put them early because it already takes about 10 days until they come out, and they are quite easy to protect because they stay on the ground. Earlier potatoes means less trouble with the mildew. It is also not an issue if the potatoes freeze a little bit, they grow back soon.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 04, 2020, 07:09:30 AM »
Hello Nanning,
There are two types of hawthorn, one that has flowers first, and one that has leaves first. My grand-father used to say that you have to wait until the second type is full of flowers before you take out any freezing sensitive plant.
Don't know how the hawthorns are doing now in the Netherlands, but last week, they had not much flowers here in Luxembourg, it was just the start.
Regards, Etienne

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 03, 2020, 08:21:14 PM »
I was able to eat the first fresh onions this year. I always plant them too close so that I can eat like half of it in the spring.

Since I didn't feel like going in a shop for the aviary wire, I am trying an olfactory war and have placed some fresh rosemary, old savory and some fresh nettles around the sprouts. It helps but it is too early to say that it works.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 02, 2020, 01:42:50 PM »
A new instalment in the Perspectives on the Pandemic series:

I somehow find this gentleman less convincing than others I've seen, but he still says plenty of interesting things. I was struck particularly by his statements at 26:39:

I agree that he isn't so convincing and didn't have the patience to look at the interview until the end. I find him overoptimistic, but I really don't know. I would be so happy if it would be like he describes it in the beginning, but it doesn't match with what I feel.

My wife says that COVID 19 is the sickness of our civilization, you get it in airplanes and public transportation, inside high technology buildings... it is worse in polluted and crowded areas, football stadiums.... and it hits really badly when people don't take care themselves of their older parents.

I can't agree with the idea that the virus behaves the same way in Europe and in the USA, and the best proof of this is that it doesn't behave the same way in all the European countries, the difference between Spain and Portugal is amazing, and both countries are not so different on a cultural and climatic point of view.

I also believe that a second wave could (doesn't have to be) worst than the first one. Immunity is not guaranteed yet, and who knows how the virus will mutate. We could get a very contagious mutation that would be like a cold, so everybody could get it without harm, but that's just one of many possibilities. It's difficult to know what the requirements are for a second wave, is it just the end of the lockdown, or will spring help keep the virus quieter until the fall ?

We don't know yet if the lockdown was an overreaction, for sure we have now very few cases and we don't know how things will be when the economy will restart. In Luxembourg, we had now 2 weeks with constructions site open, and we didn't see any impact on the number of cases, of course companies opened first the small sites which are much easier to manage and require less changes in the processes.

I guess that if masks would have been available at the beginning of the pandemia, maybe lockdowns would not have been needed. If we're lucky, we can manage the 2nd wave just like Taiwan managed the 1st one.

Homes for elderly people in Luxembourg start to look like prisons, some have now containers with a Plexiglas window in the middle, so if you want to visit somebody, you have to make an appointment and have the right to be there for 30 minutes; communication works with a parlophone.

Added : I heard that in France, visits in homes for elderly happen in the park of the home, I would much prefer such a solution, but Luxembourg is a rich country, so sometimes easy and efficient solutions are very difficult to choose.

Added 2 : I believe that one of the human rights that isn't much respected now is the right to die like you wish, and I'm not talking of suicide. My mother told me yesterday that she is so old that she doesn't have to worry about Covid 19 anymore. I'm not sure that the medical staff would agree, but if this thing would be there for 3 or 4 years, maybe she's right.

Consequences / Re: Temperature signals from Covid-19
« on: May 02, 2020, 10:35:50 AM »
Maybe this could simply come of a lower fossil fuels consumption, less burning means less heat produced. I really am not a specialist, but my understanding is that we are in a heating process, which means that the temperature is lower that what it should be with the greenhouse gas concentration we have because of the inertia of the system.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 25, 2020, 08:59:17 AM »
I'm watching the Austrian news tonight. For over 10 minutes they explained everything wrt how schools will re-open. It's absolutely insane what they are going to do to kids, to the point of abuse. All because of fear and control freaks who want to prevent being held accountable for anything. There is still so much irrational fear...

The children will, indeed, be subject to harm and abuse if schools reopen too soon.  They will lose parents and grandparents.
It is very difficult to know what is reasonable and what is exaggerated. The issue with schools is that you can't expect social distancing with kids and teenagers, so what's the deal, rules that can't be respected so that politicians are clean?
I'd like to have openings on limited areas like a village, a district... But it looks like it is not in the plans. We get some kind of "all or nothing" decision, and I guess that this is all about control, you can't control if people don't leave the district, and trust is something that is not available right now, people don't trust the government, and government doesn't trust people, this is valid in other domains as well. I think it was Blumenkraft who posted a video where a guy said that a leader is somebody who is capable of motivating people do difficult things for the common good, we don't have many of these. And rules are getting so complicated that it becomes normal not to respect them, and in many cases it is tolerated because it is easier for everybody.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: April 24, 2020, 07:40:56 AM »
Thanks Bruce for the tip regarding aviary wire. I didn't thing about it and was doing netting that was quite complicated and had sometimes birds that were caught in it and that I had to free.

Regarding the just germinated seeds, I'm not sure that birds are the problem. I also have the problem in areas that are protected, and I don't have it when I let the plants grow on the terrace. it could be slugs, but I didn't see any this year, or insects, or mice. I also had a spinach whose roots were eaten, I was just left with the leaves, don't know what animals does that.

Added : I have spinach germinating between lines of garlic, and no animal is eating it.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: April 23, 2020, 07:29:55 PM »
I never had problems with birds regarding tomatoes, it is more with spinach, salads... Some plants like my carrots this year just disappear after germination but I'm not sure if birds or insects are the reason. Below a picture of my spinach, this is clearly due to the birds.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: April 22, 2020, 08:59:28 PM »
Very good link regarding the tomatoes.

I believe that you can already plant the spinach. Mine are already growing. My carrots are also already 1 cm tall.

My main problem are birds that eat everything.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 18, 2020, 11:14:55 AM »
We hear surprising stories in Luxembourg. There would be areas where the lockdown wound not be so much respected, some streets where kids are playing together, parents socializing... some of them tested positive to the Covid 19.

My sister in law lives in such an area, so she wanted to be tested, but it was not possible because she didn't have any symptoms.

I would not be surprised  if some people with symptoms don't want to be tested in order to avoid the whole reporting process that is required for the people with mild cases.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: April 17, 2020, 11:27:30 PM »

I have a little question. Because of the Coronavirus, we decided that we would make our plants ourselves. On the picture below, I have courgette and pumpkins.

I know I made a mistake because they were in a room that was too warm, they have grown a lot and very fast at the beginning, and die now with only 2 leaves. Does anybody know what I should do ?

Thank you very much,

Light was the problem. I changed the place where I keep the plants, and now that the weather is very hot (for April) in Luxembourg, I take them out almost everyday. Many died, but the few that survived are doing well. I have put sunflowers in the pots where the zucchini died, and even had one zucchini coming out near a sunflower.

Added : I also have some tomatoes that are going great, and am trying to grow some perennial plants that can be eaten in order to save time the next years (salad burnet, marsh mallow plant, arugula, cardoon, chamomile). I already have rhubarb and sorrel (and all kinds of herbs, mint...).
Cardoons should produce food every second year, but the year you can't eat it (to be checked), they have beautiful flowers).
It's a try, if you have other perennials to recommend, it's always nice to know.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 12, 2020, 09:41:38 PM »
Steve wrote:
This is part of a widespread problem with the pandemic data.  We have lots of data, the interpretation of which is fraught with pitfalls.

Well put.

If you have any links about what different groups using different definitions of obese, they would be appreciated.

Here is the definition of the WHO

I remember seeing in Eastern Germany (DDR, in 1989) a table with ideal weights compared to size, and it was much less that in Switzerland (I used to live in Geneva).

In Luxembourg, they used to have a formula for the ideal weight where the age was taken into account (older people could be heavier). Don't know if it is still in use.

Added : there is also a country close to South Korea where people in front of the pictures always are heavier than the ones in the back. It would be funny if it was a joke.

Added 2 : the WHO has Food and nutrition tips during self-quarantine

Added 3 : and also how to stay fit.

Well, I have a new home trainer, I prefer this than the exercises of the WHO

The rest / Re: Masks
« on: April 12, 2020, 09:29:59 PM »

Just a link to a comment made by Sam before the Mask topic was separated of the Covid19 topic.

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The forum / Re: Arctic Sea Ice Forum Humor
« on: April 12, 2020, 03:35:44 PM »
Airplane travel during the Coronavirus

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 12, 2020, 03:28:34 PM »
The reason: within the household the risk of infection is many times higher than in the general population, a complete count of all family members therefore results in an excessive percentage for immunity, which cannot be transferred to the general public. But that's exactly what was done in Streeck's study. (...)

This would only be true if average household size in Gangelt is larger than in the rest of Germany.

Speaking of households, I've talked to people in Paris and Spain who got the virus. What I don't understand, is how the rest of the household hasn't gotten infected, when this virus is so highly contagious.
I heard the same thing here in Luxembourg. The man is sick, but not the wife and the kids. Well, the case is not closed yet.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 12, 2020, 03:17:59 PM »
wiki, etienne - c'mon, your both smarter than this. ...

Quote from: etienne
... I have a problem with the fact that we have a sum that is over 100%. ... If obesity brings hypertension, diabete and cardiovascular problems, the 3 together are at 106%, it doesn't mean anything for obesity that is at 48%.

Consider the possibility that a person can have more than one illness or condition at the same time ... See definition of: comorbidity

Quote from: etienne
...Furthermore obesity is not a sickness.  ...

Au contraire! ...

Mayo Clinic: Diseases & Conditions: Obesity

... Obesity is a complex disease involving an excessive amount of body fat. Obesity isn't just a cosmetic concern. It is a medical problem that increases your risk of other diseases and health problems, such as heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure and certain cancers.

Sorry to disagree with you regarding obesity. I don't see obesity as a sickness, also not as a cosmetic concern, there are culture where overweight was (is?) seen as nice to have in order to get over hard times. Our modern society made obesity a sickness in order to be able to sale so many useful diets, home trainers, coaching hours... the issue is whether you feel good in your body or not. Of course overweight is not healthy, but underweight is also unhealthy. If we continue that way, overweighted people will get less reimbursement from heath insurance because they didn't take care of themselves.

I agree with the comorbidity concept, but if I have 3 health issues, which one was the problem if I don't survive ? Maybe the problem is not even the health issue, but the drugs we take to handle it. My son was sick just before the Covid came to Luxembourg, and Ibuprofen really made it worse, so we only used paracetamol, so if we go back to the Covid 19 issue, what is the impact of all the drugs that elderly people take everyday on the Covid 19?

My point of view is always more that we know much about the Covid 19, but there is even more that we don't know, and we really need to keep calm and see. Final conclusions can't be taken on any subject regarding this virus, excepted that it kills and that it spreads. Right now it's impossible to say if China/Korea/Japan or Sweden/USA got it right.


The forum / Re: Who would like to take over the ASIF?
« on: April 12, 2020, 02:55:52 PM »
Another suggestion: open a ”forum moderation” thread so mods can direct all moderation related off topic comments there.
I wouldn't do that. I don't believe that the work of the moderators should be discussed by the members.
i would understand such a thread only if is it private for the moderators.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 12, 2020, 07:08:10 AM »
Hypertension, obesity are most common ‘underlying conditions’ of coronavirus patients requiring hospitalization: CDC study

The 5 most common underlying conditions of COVID-19 patients requiring hospitalization, according to the study:

Hypertension: 49.7%

Obesity: 48.3%

Chronic lung disease: 34.6%

Diabetes mellitus: 28.3%

Cardiovascular disease: 27.8%

Obesity was the most prevalent underlying condition for patients under 65; for those over 65, hypertension was number one

... So far, only about a third of patients put on ventilators survive.
I have a problem with the fact that we have a sum that is over 100%. Furthermore obesity is not a sickness. If obesity brings hypertension, diabete and cardiovascular problems, the 3 together are at 106%, it doesn't mean anything for obesity that is at 48%. I feel that some people are trying to calm themselves making studies showing that things they don't have are problematic.

The forum / Re: Who would like to take over the ASIF?
« on: April 09, 2020, 11:07:43 PM »
Thank you very much Neven. I didn't imagine you could do all that work alone. To burn out is a dangerous thing that should be avoided at any cost, because once the point is reached, everything breaks anyway.

I'm not sure that we need to regulate what can be published, common sense should be enough and Neven is a good example of how it should work. But I believe that we need rules to say how the forum is managed.

From what I read here, I would imagine a team of moderators, each one would manage one or more of the 12 main categories depending of their interests (from "Arctic sea ice" to "The forum").
To block a user (including a moderator), a majority of the moderators should agree.
The first group of moderators could be selected by Neven, and in the future a majority of moderator would be needed to select a new one.

Once again, thank you Neven for the work. I also learned a lot here.


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