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The rest / Jason Group - Earth Turning to Mars?
« on: July 03, 2017, 12:13:35 AM »
Apparently, an insider from the Jason Group has stated that a meltdown of 450 nuclear power plants will destroy the atmosphere and turn earth to Mars. Given the chaotic nature of recent days, I thought I'd post the article about it and ask about it here (since this forum is very knowledgeable in the area of the dynamics of the atmosphere).


The rest / Presentation of Climate Change in News Media
« on: May 06, 2017, 12:12:37 AM »
Hello, my name is Liam, I am a media student in my final year and I am currently writing a dissertation about how Climate change is depicted in news media, both mainstream and on alternative media (blogs and message boards). There is a lot of knowledge about Climate Change on this forum, so I thought that I would open a thread asking about the opinion of this community with regards how Climate Change is shown in the news media along with the reasons for why it is shown in a particular way.

Consequences / Near Term Human Extinction
« on: October 28, 2015, 02:08:02 PM »
We have opened pandoras box in 2015 and a myriad of feedbacks have spurred, these feedbacks ranging from wildfires to the present El-Nino which is poised to bring the temperature well beyond 1C (, and these bring about a lot of known unknowns about how the overall system will respond because, as we all know, the IPCC is overly conservative with their worst case scenarios constantly being pushed all the way towards the end of the century.

So, I thought I would bring a new element into the Climate Change debate that doesn't seem to get thrown around often and that is the theory of Near Term Human Extinction that is discussed by Guy McPherson. The most well known theory in this area is that humans will become extinct in 2030. However, it should be noted that Guy seems to move this date around a little, even going as far as to say that humans, aside from those in bunkers, won't live beyond a few months (, so it is a testament to how bad the current climate feedbacks can actually get.

Another element to also add is the idea of peak oil hitting us rather soon as shown by Gail Tverberg on "Our Finite World" who doesn't really talk about Climate Change a whole lot, but her ideas are very relevant to the near term because of the consequences of Peak Oil from Deflationary Collapse( If we were to hit peak oil in the near term, that would rapidly cause the temperature to rise, on top of the El Nino and on top of the god knows how many other feedbacks there are out there which could cause earth's temperature to rise quite rapidly over an indeterminable period of time (some articles by Guy suppose 10C over a decadal timescale). 

So with this thread, I thought I would bring about a debate on the prospect of near term extinction and whether it is actually possible for humans to become extinct by 2030, or if that should be pushed to a latter or even earlier time period.

I don't know where to post this thread as it has a lot to do with the consequences of Climate Change, it's impact on civilisation resulting in its collapse which I believe will happen in the near-term, but it also covers a personal solution so it could go anywhere, but I'm not sure if it's suited for either the policies area or the walking the walk area.

Recently, after looking at the way the climate is changing and how the economy is close to buckling, I have been feeling the need to prepare in terms of working on growing food. However, another area of preparation that I was hoping to look at was the building up of a community, helping the community within my town, to help weather the collapse of civilisation, the reason being that I believe that it is better to try to fortify a town against Climate Collapse, than try to run out to the wild and hope for the best, but after looking at some stuff on Reddit, I've been wondering if perhaps the idea of helping a community to stand against Climate Change is a stupid pipe dream and perhaps it would be better to just go out with a bunch of people and hope for the best rather than staying in the small town that I live in and try to help the community there, or if that is a viable option for people to do in general.

The town I live in has a population of 13,000 to 20,000 people, has a strong offshore wind-farm and, in general, community ties are strong as people band together to fight common threats, for example, people here protesting against the introduction of the Water Charges. However, I wonder how community ties count when suddenly, Climate disruption or economic (which I believe will collapse civilisation altogether in 2016), the lights go out.

Would trying to help establish an agricultural community, or help a community protect itself against collapse be viable, or is it just as ideal as running for the hills?

Consequences / Climate Change and Civil Relations
« on: September 08, 2015, 04:22:41 PM »
Recently, Europe has begun to experience a large flow of Refugees that are trying to escape the terror that is occurring in their native countries and certain European countries are welcoming these refugees with open arms, for example Germany, while certain other countries are keen on limiting the number of refugees that are allowed in. What is noteable about the kind actions of Germany is the question as to whether or not they can continue to allow people into the country like this because there are issues that are surrounding the resources available along with the Cultural differences between the refugees and the native population. This question becomes even more serious when Climate Change is taken into consideration as it will increase the number of refugees going into Europe as more and more places are affected by droughts, storms and sea level rise.

The reason I have started this thread is because of the potential consequences of the increased number of refugees and the possibility of the host country becoming hostile towards the refugees because of tight resources approaching a certain limit or because of other factors, for example, Economic Collapse. There is a presence of hostility in the western world against refugees as certain countries want tighter controls over the flow of refugees, for example Hungary. Another element of this hostlity could be present in the Media through creating an atmosphere of fear, for example the following artcile ( ) that states that ISIS members could be amongst the incoming Refugees and judging from the comments on the article, people could see the refugees as a trojan horse in the sense that to them, terrorists amongst the refugees are likely to attack and worsen the European's way of life (whether or not this could happen in reality is debatable and probably depends on the situation in Europe which brings me to my closing remarks on this note).

With increased hostility, especially with fear of ISIS and tightening resources, this hostility will probably be verbal at first before becoming violent with certain Nationalist political groups that are opposed to immigration gaining power as people become more hostile towards the incoming immigrants.

Permafrost / Network of Hydrates found on New Zealand's East Coast
« on: May 19, 2014, 12:47:32 PM »
Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but the following article on the New Zealand Herald (, documents the discovery of a network of shallow Methane Hydrates found on the East Coast of New Zealand. I thought this would be interesting to discuss for two reasons; the first one being the fact that this is a new discovery as the Methane Hydrates were thought to be at the Seabed, but in this case they are only at a depth of 50km2

More than 100 flares, some shooting up columns more than 250m high, were found in an area of only 50km2, in what is now believed to be the densest concentration of seafloor gas vents so far known in New Zealand.

The second reason is that I thought this discovery would be notable in terms of the Clathrate Gun Hypothesis, since we already know that it is possible for 50 gigatonnes of Methane to be emitted from the Arctic on a decadal timescale and with the shallow hydrates on New Zealand's Coast; would this new discovery harbor any new additions regarding the effect of Methane Hydrates on the Climate?

According to the Alamo Project Facebook Page, those hydrates might act to initiate the Clathrate Gun scenario, but I am not entirely sure if that is a reliable source of information:

Image of Temperature Anomalies at that area

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