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Science / Re: 2019 Mauna Loa CO2 levels
« on: January 09, 2020, 12:35:23 AM »
Does anyone have access to the red graph that shows each year as a wavy horizontal line stacked above previous years?

A poor description for a marvelous graph. Particularly helpful in early January.


Hi Terry, were you thinking of these? From

You have to be joking.

Consequences / Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« on: October 30, 2019, 03:16:20 AM »
No, the article seems to answer that quite explicitly.

Consequences / Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« on: October 25, 2019, 02:30:37 PM »
Right, breaking the old record by 190mm is somehow... precedented? That makes no sense by definition. What exactly is your deal here?

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019/2020 freezing season
« on: October 03, 2019, 03:50:31 PM »
Free(grr)ass   .. gaining more knowledge can be done by reading the past .. your lack of knowledge could be overcome readily . AMOC and Svalbard's ghost hotspot have been frequent topics of discussion .
nothing new has been added to the debate in several years .. just new posters repeating .
 I usually avoid this thread now .. after multiple visits daily since 2013  . Thank you ! As you well know I cannot afford your continual delivery of self-loading mp4's .

I agree. It's admirable to want to learn about these topics but when the discussion here is dominated by those who (to put it kindly) are still in the process of learning, that dilutes the value of this thread which used to be filled by people who knew what they were talking about. There are other places on this forum to ask questions on pet theories or learn the basics.

Consequences / Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« on: September 03, 2019, 06:39:58 PM »
How is that satellite image obtained through the hurricane's cloud cover?  Is the left image a photograph or some other imaging technique?

"The ability of SAR to penetrate cloud cover makes it particularly valuable in frequently cloudy areas such as the tropics. Image data serve to map and monitor the use of the land, and are of gaining importance for forestry and agriculture."

The rest / Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« on: August 29, 2019, 10:06:56 PM »
But if Americans are susceptible and want to believe the lies would not Americans lie to Americans first and a lot more then Russians?

I'm sure they do. But many middle-aged people aren't able to really distinguish truth from fantasy online, and a coordinated campaign really was effective at persuading many people at certain points of the campaign, and even more importantly at encouraging that distrust.

I honestly think that rather than blaming Russia we need to look inward at our own problems, but I do think it made a big difference.

And yes, America has done many similar if not worse things in the past, even in the recent past. I don't think that's a reason to ignore it when somebody else does it.

The truth is that this has been a long time coming - the rot in our civic understanding and our relations with each other goes very deep. I doubt that Russia expected such a large result.

The rest / Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« on: August 29, 2019, 09:27:58 PM »
That's why Russia did it - Americans are susceptible and want to believe the lies, and it's much cheaper to pay people to post on Twitter all day than to fight a real war.

Consequences / Re: Places becoming less livable
« on: August 29, 2019, 05:28:31 PM »
Re. moving:

Not gonna happen. Like everyone else, we have a reason why we are better off where we are.

Of course, but if you live in an area that will be affected at some point you will have reasons why you would be better off somewhere else, and at that point it would have been better to have already moved.

Several decades too late to take any solace. He has just escaped the consequences of his actions, which we and our children will have to face.

Policy and solutions / Re: When will CO2 emissions peak?
« on: August 21, 2019, 07:36:43 PM »
Forbes allows any person to become a 'contributor' and post pretty much anything they want to. Just because an article appears on their website does not mean it's any good at all.

Consequences / Re: Forests: An Endangered Resource
« on: August 15, 2019, 09:01:20 PM »
You're aware that Maduro's family and friends are directly implicated in major drug trafficking schemes as well, of course.

You didn't read the article. It is about how an increased vapor pressure deficit causes more water to be lost through the leaves, which causes plants to close their stomata to prevent water loss, which in turn reduces the amount of photosynthesis that takes place, so they grow more slowly. Nothing about the amount of water in total available to the plant.

Killian, your insults outweigh your insights by a great margin.

Depends on how much the plane has in terms of provisions :P

Consequences / Re: Places becoming less livable
« on: August 06, 2019, 09:38:00 PM »
Hi Mozi .. I fear the thought was .. what a handy way to lose the world's poor .. those who consume least are seen as the most expendable .. a rather nasty nazi outlook .. b.c.

I think that people deal with these horrible eventualities in different ways, and dark humor is a good coping mechanism. Just important to not come off as clumsy or dismissive. I think many people must have had thoughts like 'if some pandemic wiped out 99% of our species, that would at least give the world a chance...' But when you actually visualize what that might look like for the billions of innocents who haven't meaningfully contributed towards the current disaster, it becomes a very bitter thought. Which is not really different than considering what business as usual will bring, either. It's difficult to think about and to talk about.

Consequences / Re: Places becoming less livable
« on: August 05, 2019, 03:38:24 PM »
Keep in mind that in India, for example, is transitioning to a cashless economy and is still going forward with the demonetization push; they are far from the only country to be doing so. Many poor people lacking bank accounts entirely do all their banking through their mobile phone. So when one wishes for the whole system to crash, keep in mind that wouldn't primarily affect people paying for their Starbucks with Apple Pay, but instead hundreds of millions, if not billions, of the world's poorest.

Science / Re: Has climate sensitivity been under-estimated?
« on: July 31, 2019, 02:09:44 PM »
So no, we are not tracking faster than the worst case scenario so far.

While this is true, it doesn't necessarily mean that climate sensitivity has not been underestimated. Obviously aerosols could be playing a huge part in restraining the temperature rise to date.

Greenland and Arctic Circle / Re: Greenland 2019 Melt Season
« on: July 24, 2019, 01:56:52 PM »
I appreciate the daily updates, but you might make the caveats/notes section a weekly occurrence?

Keep in mind that there is near universal agreement among countries to strive the keep the future warming to 2 degrees C or less.  There has been great progress in the deployment of carbon free power generation and transportation technologies and the transition is well underway.  It would seem that we are far more likely to see future temperature increases of 1.5C to 2C than we are of seeing 5 to 8 C temperature increases.

No offence but this sentiment seems to be coming from some alternate reality, one in which I would also much prefer to exist.

Arctic sea ice / Re: 2019 sea ice area and extent data
« on: June 02, 2019, 02:13:59 PM »
Perhaps you would prefer to take this BOE discussion to the "When will the Arctic go Ice Free" thread?,2348.400.html

The rest / Re: SpaceX
« on: May 28, 2019, 01:47:05 PM »
Satellite Internet will be much cheaper than laying thousands of kilometers of cables along the ocean floor.

Just gotta hope there's not a big solar flare anytime soon!

The BBC in some aspects could be considered propaganda for a certain establishment right-wing point of view (especially after Cameron,) but to put that on the same level of complete disconnect from facts or reality as is Breitbart's stock in trade is ludicrous.

Perhaps it would be better to take your debate to a different thread.

The rest / Re: Wildlife
« on: April 12, 2019, 09:28:57 PM »
It is hard to imagine what the ethical review for this project entailed, not to mention the rhetorical skills of the proponents who succeeded.

"Come on... what's the worst thing that could happen, anyways?"

Consequences / Re: Places becoming less livable
« on: March 18, 2019, 04:13:59 PM »
Polio is the result of infection by the poliovirus.

Consequences / Re: Places becoming less livable
« on: March 05, 2019, 12:46:29 PM »
Polio is the result of infection by the poliovirus.

The rest / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: February 27, 2019, 03:24:38 PM »
The graph is quite relevant. Venezuela has been falling apart on their own accord for years now. I do not support US-led intervention which makes the current situation difficult to discuss, as the US has obviously decided to stick their foot in (though to what extent remains unknown.) But if you support the Venezuelan people at root, you would also be wishing for Maduro and the PSUV to go. Much better would have been a regional intervention. But just because both sides are wrong doesn't mean I have to throw my lot in with those who for many years have claimed that the CIA gave Chavez cancer. The fundamental problem in Venezuela is the criminal corruption of the PSUV.

Permafrost / Re: Arctic Methane Release
« on: January 12, 2019, 01:07:37 AM »
In this case they are not allowed to work, even if they wanted to.

Arctic background / Re: ''The Sea Says SOS''
« on: December 18, 2018, 01:42:26 PM »
This reads as more of a politically biased attack than anything scientific.

The rest / Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
« on: November 06, 2018, 02:24:06 PM »
The only thing Bolsonaro understands is fear and hate, which is more than you understand, apparently.

The rest / Re: 911
« on: August 29, 2018, 03:47:25 PM »
Well, that’s convenient. Don’t suppose global warming is a hoax as well?

Greenland and Arctic Circle / Re: The Nares Strait thread
« on: January 03, 2018, 04:31:35 PM »
Hi Neven, the reason that is not playing here is because the video link is for an http:// address and this forums runs on https://, and Chrome and other browsers don't like including insecure content in a secure webpage. I'm afraid there isn't a simple solution for this other than hosting the video on an https:// address (or users can adjust their browser configuration, though this is probably a bad idea in general.)

Antarctica / Re: Rift in Larsen C
« on: December 21, 2017, 02:24:50 PM »
As a member of the general public, my reaction to that is "that's a lot of ice."

Arctic sea ice / Re: IJIS
« on: September 27, 2017, 04:22:43 PM »

I'm sure I'm not only speaking for myself when I say I'm sorry to hear that!

Your regular efforts and attention have always been appreciated.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: August 30, 2017, 09:30:42 PM »
The same as could have been (and was) said throughout this entire melting season... If all the ice can rely on going forward is the weather, before long luck will turn against it, whether this year or the next.

Consequences / Re: Conservative Scientists & its Consequences
« on: August 25, 2017, 06:52:36 PM »
He did say SO2, not CO2.

Consequences / Re: Wildfires
« on: August 17, 2017, 02:47:15 PM »
Good grief... with fires like that, what is stopping the entire landscape from going up? Only the turning of the seasons, I suppose.

The rest / Re: 2017 open thread
« on: July 24, 2017, 06:51:43 PM »
They are actually looking at data, with all the caveats required.

You have made up your mind as to the outcome and seem to have no goal but to remind people of that.

Which is not to say you will not be correct eventually, but only one of those discussions is in any way interesting.

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: July 14, 2017, 07:33:40 PM »
I have to ask how this compares to a candidate hiring a foreign ex intelligence officer specifically to dig up dirt on an opposing candidate, paying him for his labors & disseminating his report prior to the election?
I refer of course to ex MI5 agent Steele.


If you will recall, said report was commissioned by one of Trump's (Republican) primary opponents, and that the report was not disseminated because it could not be verified. Steele himself was disturbed by his findings and its eventual release was due to his efforts after not being able to persuade anybody else (including the Clinton camp) to use it themselves.

Consequences / Re: Places becoming less livable
« on: July 11, 2017, 11:29:01 PM »
You could also call it 'putting two and two together.'

Antarctica / Re: Rift in Larsen C
« on: July 05, 2017, 07:49:06 PM »
'The giant berg, the size of Delaware (or 0.31 SWU, Standard Wales Units,)...'

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: June 17, 2017, 06:13:14 PM »
Maybe you should make your own forums if you can't stand reading other people's ideas.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: June 03, 2017, 03:38:45 PM »
Don't be patronizing; you're well aware this isn't the thread for it.

Consequences / Re: Ice-free Arctic
« on: February 23, 2017, 08:32:44 PM »
The false implication being as well that what humans are currently doing to the environment is well understood and characterized - that the choice is between addressing global warming and not affecting the environment in unknown ways, when in reality our entire way of life is built around messing with systems that we do not fully understand.

Antarctica / Re: Rift in Larsen C
« on: February 22, 2017, 06:59:29 PM »
The British Antarctic Service has posted an article with an attached video of the rift - quite striking footage.

"On Tuesday, researchers with the British Antarctic Survey released new aerial footage showing the widening rift that threatens to tear the ice shelf asunder at any moment. The footage makes the immensity of the crack clear, as the yawning chasm stretches off into the horizon."

Arctic sea ice / Re: Stupid Questions :o
« on: January 19, 2017, 04:59:33 PM »
The files may have been renamed? I see that there are files named 'N_seaice_extent_daily_v2.1.csv' and 'S_seaice_extent_daily_v2.1.csv', respectively.

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