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Policy and solutions / Re: BAU until they peel my cold dead hands from it
« on: February 18, 2019, 12:50:12 PM »
A lot of the answers or on the first page of this thread. I recommend reading JimD's contributions.

The rest / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: February 18, 2019, 12:48:57 PM »
Yet another true accurate news report by Russia Today

 Venezuela kicks out ‘interventionist’ team of European MPs coming to meet with Guaido
Published time: 18 Feb, 2019

 A six-member European delegation that sought to meet with self-proclaimed Venezuelan ‘interim president’ Juan Guaido is being expelled from Venezuela after being accused by Caracas of coming with “conspiratorial purposes.”

European MPs arrived in Venezuela on Sunday and were supposed to stay until Tuesday to carry out a series of meetings, including with Guaido, the leader of the opposition recognized by a number of European governments as the legitimate leader of Venezuela.

Read More:

Off-topic, but some more on that:

The rest / Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« on: February 18, 2019, 09:30:49 AM »
What got Magnitsky killed, was his involvement in Browder's crony capitalist activities.

Policy and solutions / Re: BAU until they peel my cold dead hands from it
« on: February 17, 2019, 09:14:04 AM »
From another thread:

The evil Elon Musk paradox. He is a scammer who invested all his money and time on a company that is going bankrupt. He keeps buying his own stock even when there is no demand. He works for free on a company that can't produce cars.

 Worst. Scammer. Ever.

I mean, how much he can really sell and then hop on his jet to some extradition free location? Wouldn't he lose a lot of money if he was a scammer? The only way for him to gain something out of this is if he succeeds.

He puts his money, and more important, his time where his mouth is. Go Tesla. This is happening.

Jesus Christ. Every conman or fraud has had everything to lose when they conduct their shady business. It's called high stakes.  If scam and fraud didn't have consequences then everyone would be doing it. I feel like I'm speaking to a child when I have to explain this to you.

But here's the thing.  Billionaires and the ultra rich get away with everything. And that's why they always scam us. That's why Exxon kept polluting even though they knew about climate change.  That's why the banks kept selling garbage securities during the housing crisis. That's why Elizabeth Holmes kept lying about theranos. That's why pharmaceutical companies push opiates to addicts. Because they're fucking rich and can get away with literal murder.

Why the fuck do you think Musk is different.  The dude didn't even start Tesla. He knew that shit was a cash cow. Look at all the government and investor money that is thrown at it. His customers and fans display a cult-like obsession. The SEC has shown that's it toothless when he's literally committing securities fraud. This is a wet dream for assholes like Musk.

Like, I'm curious, what separates Musk from the rest of the assholes that are sucking our society dry, that makes you so honestly believe that he's one of the Good Ones.

Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: February 16, 2019, 11:17:43 AM »
Neven, please don't take Zizek out. We can handle a few angry voices around here.

I won't, but I want him to take his rants about the moral implications of Tesla/Musk elsewhere, like here or here.

This thread isn't about Tesla per se, but about whether Tesla is going to go bankrupt soon or not.

The rest / Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« on: February 16, 2019, 11:02:00 AM »
I agree, but I already knew Trump was a hypocrite. If I find someone who is an even bigger hypocrite, is Trump then off the hook?

The Democrats demanding apologies from Ilhan Omar, are Corporate Democrats and enemies of the American people, because they are going to get Trump re-elected (after getting him elected in the first place).

AIPAC funds both Corporate Democrats and Republicans. That's because they are the same, they're both enemies of the American people.

Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: February 15, 2019, 10:18:05 AM »
And then I read this thread. Sigmetnow has a particular knack for posting only positive news about Tesla. And obsessively.

That's the whole idea of this thread! How often do I need to repeat it?

It drowns everything out while making Musk look like Our Only Savior. It's tiring and annoying. People who digest a lot of information through these boards will get the wrong idea.

Then instead of ranting, post Tesla bear stuff! Or have your say, wait and see, and then go TYS.

We should be building guillotines not cars.

I know you don't mean this literally, but try to keep in mind - it's hard, I know - that rich people are just as much victims as we are. They are concentrated wealth junkies, nothing more than puppets. They should be pitied, not hated.

Take the rants elsewhere (preferably a Green BAU thread) or create your own thread. I've been very clear about what this thread is about: Tesla's survival/demise. Not the consequences of its survival/demise, or the moral implications. Next rant will be snipped.

The rest / Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« on: February 15, 2019, 09:51:02 AM »
Did Bellingcat get that info from some intelligence agency directly, or did it first pass through the Integrity Initiative? Maybe New Knowledge was involved, or perhaps even the good people from Cambridge Analytica?

The rest / Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« on: February 15, 2019, 09:43:16 AM »
And which Democrats have condemned her? Do they happen to be in bed with AIPAC (like Clinton and Obama)?

I don't think any Democrat condemned her. Do you ?
They all accepted her apology.

The second sentence from the video you posted: Minnesota Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar was accused this week by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other top Democrats of spreading "anti-semitic tropes".

Condemned, accused, tomayto, tomahto.

Of course, if you happily agree that BDS is anti-semitic (because you have neocon/neolib leanings), it's easy to then focus on Trump, Trump, Trump. But thanks for confirming that the mainstream media also toes that line. I think it will be hard for Martin to find a panel of people in suits - most of them out-of-touch millionaires - agreeing that Ilhan Omar's stance or support of BDS has nothing to do with anti-semitism whatsoever.

Walking the walk / Re: How to resuscitate a dead field
« on: February 15, 2019, 08:21:48 AM »
I'm sure you have checked Reinsaat. Don't they have anything?

The rest / Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« on: February 15, 2019, 01:10:13 AM »
Jimmy Dore reports ... never saw anyone else mention this in the news:
Just one counterexample:

That's Ilhan Omar stating her opinion on this particular issue. Do you have an example of a panel of people in suits discussing Ilhan Omar's opinions on this particular issue? Preferably one saying similar things to Jimmy Dore, or that agrees with Ilhan Omar's arguments?

And which Democrats have condemned her? Do they happen to be in bed with AIPAC (like Clinton and Obama)?

The rest / Re: US intervention in foreign lands
« on: February 14, 2019, 09:54:09 AM »
From elsewhere:

More on the American-Military-Industrial-Congressional-Media-Think-Tank Complex

Phil Donahue on Democracy Now in 2013 reflecting on him being fired.
"What happened to me, the biggest lesson I think is the how corporate media shapes our opinions and our coverage. This was a decision, the decision to release me came from far above. This was not a system program director who decided to separate me from MSNBC. They were terrified of the anti-war voice and that is not an overstatement."

Jimmy Dore who annoys the crap out of some people here again speaks the truth of what happened by relaying the Historical Facts of the matter (the thing that Journalists are originally trained to do!) :
When Phil Donahue was fired they said it was for low ratings. He had the highest-rated show (on the network) and then a little while later guess what was revealed? There was a memo came out from the top brass at NBC that said: 'Phil Donahue against the war is a bad look for us, especially when we're selling war and we make a lot of money off a war' ..... because they're owned by General Electric at the time and General Electric makes you know (Military stuff) their biggest customer was the US Defense Department. Donald Rumsfeld was General Electrics biggest customer when Phil Donahue was talking against the war so they had to shut him up and they fired him.  Then it got revealed through that memo. Nobody ever talks about that!"

Now let's go bomb the crap out of Venezuela who are clearly EVIL because China, Russia and Turkey and Italy and Greece plus all the other sane rational non-psychopaths in the world say we shouldn't.


The rest / Re: Economic Inequality
« on: February 13, 2019, 06:27:32 PM »
When the U.S.S.R. collapsed, Washington bet on the global spread of democratic capitalist values—and lost.

Poor Washington, bad, evil Rooskies!

Arctic sea ice / Re: January Poll 2019: JAXA Maximum
« on: February 13, 2019, 09:59:42 AM »
Looking at the forecasts, it seems we'll have ice expansion in the Okhotsk and Atlantic front (Greenland+Barentsz), both from wind and low temps. No chance of a new record low maximum this year, IMO.

Walking the walk / Re: Heating with wood or pellets ? and air heat pump ?
« on: February 12, 2019, 11:15:20 PM »
Remember this problem?

Today I had smoke coming out of my stove, coming into my living room! And it was because there was a huge, cold wind outside (-5 °C) keeping the chimney cold, sucking away the air from the inlet. Man, the flames would just go out, the stove would go completely dark (with a faint glow in the middle), and out came puffs of smoke through the door and the cooking lid. I guess, the stove isn't as airtight as I thought, at least not in these circumstances.

I solved it this winter by installing this chimney addition. The pictures below explain how it works, no moving parts. No problems whatsoever anymore, no matter how hard the wind is blowing or how cold it is. It also made my chimney another 30 cm longer, which is great, because it isn't very long (long enough according to the chimney sweep who tested the pressure).

The rest / Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« on: February 12, 2019, 11:06:42 PM »
While NRA leaders embraced her, admitted unregistered Russian agent Maria Butina denounced US sanctions and advised a militia group helping Putin seize Crimea.

Bamford has a profile on the Butina case at the New Republic: it was a stitch up

"When I asked Frank Figliuzzi, the former head of the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division, about the prosecution’s conduct, he was angry. “I am troubled and hope there is a full inquiry,” he told me. “This is disturbing. The question is whether this is convenient ineptitude or something far deeper.”

" “They manipulated the evidence,” was the opinion of a former assistant U.S. attorney familiar with the Washington, D.C., office. It was a place he had spent many years prosecuting cases. “The government is basically calling her a whore in a public filing.... I think it was an attempt to influence media coverage.” He added, “This seems like somebody panicked, they moved too early, now they’re trying to figure out what to do.”

" It is also another example of the media marching in formation with the government, as it did in the lead-up to the war in Iraq. “I think journalism skepticism stops at whatever a prosecutor says,” the former assistant U.S. attorney told me.  "

" A senior CIA official who held one of the highest jobs in the agency’s Clandestine Service, and who worked closely with the FBI on many spy cases, offered a cynical view of the bureau’s counterintelligence work. “They want to generate headlines. They don’t care if the information is credible or not,” "

Bamford has been writing about US intelligence agencies for decades. Anything by him is worth reading.


Policy and solutions / Re: US Green New Deal
« on: February 11, 2019, 11:06:07 PM »
I remember watching that documentary 10 years ago. I wonder, how did concentrated wealth fare in Cuba during that period?

Policy and solutions / Re: US Green New Deal
« on: February 11, 2019, 05:01:04 PM »
This isn't about socialism and capitalism, but about growth and concentrated wealth. All political

As you can see, nations with the highest inequality don't look anything like emissions per Capita, except for the US.  The Netherlands is a good example of low inequality but high emissions per capital. Chile is a good example of very high inequality but low emissions per capital.

Heck, one of the top self proclaimed "socialist" countries in the world, Venezuela, survives out of fossil fuel sales. Their fossil fuels are government owned and "for the people". The fossil fuel they sell to pay for their socialist paradise emits as much carbon as capitalist Texas oil.

I'm not saying that inequality and AGW are somehow interrelated, or that one causes the other in some sort of correlation.

You compare apples and oranges. You can't compare Chile and the Netherlands, because the latter is decades ahead. Given enough time, Chile would reach Dutch conditions, using the same system (as the system is global, which also makes comparing individual countries unproductive). Conversely, inequality was greater in the Netherlands in the past.

In some countries there will be less inequality and more emissions, or more inequality and less emissions, or any combination you can think of. Because AGW and inequality are just two of many consequences stemming from the same system. Some countries will have more depleted soils than others, others suffer more from financial bubbles, yet others are involved in resource wars.

All of this is caused by need for GDP growth to fuel, grow and further concentrate concentrated wealth. You can't solve any of those problems, if you leave the system as is.

We must disagree about socialist and capitalist policies and reach an agreement that neither of us likes but solves the problem that will end both capitalism and socialism.

I don't know if stopping concentrated wealth to act as a black hole, will necessarily end either one. But I agree it would be something entirely new. This hasn't been done since primitive times, when in some tribes there was a taboo on excessive egoism and material accumulation. If this taboo doesn't return, nothing will be accomplished.

Policy and solutions / Re: US Green New Deal
« on: February 11, 2019, 12:13:58 PM »
Inequality and cronyism are real issues, but they are separate from climate change.

How can they be separate when they stem from the same system? Do you really think the problem of AGW can be solved, while inequality stays the same (of course, the system wants to increase it to further grow and concentrate concentrated wealth)?

It is impossible to solve anything, while at the same time making the likes of Gates and Bezos trillionaires asap.

Policy and solutions / Re: US Green New Deal
« on: February 11, 2019, 09:12:20 AM »
And another one:

It's Time to Think Big on Climate Change
By Eugene Robinson

Enter the resolution, introduced Thursday by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., and Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass., calling on Congress to create a Green New Deal.

Pelosi has sounded skeptical. "It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive," she said Wednesday, according to Politico. "The green dream or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they're for it, right?"

I'm more impressed than the speaker is, however. The point of the resolution is not to propose specific, detailed policy prescriptions. What it does accomplish, though, is lay out the enormous scale of the climate change problem -- and, as a commensurate response, call for "a new national, social, industrial and economic mobilization on a scale not seen since World War II and the New Deal."

Round and round in circles we go.

"I'm all for taking urgent revolutionary actions to address climate change BUT .............. gee we gotta be realistic right?"

Policy and solutions / Re: US Green New Deal
« on: February 11, 2019, 09:11:15 AM »
From another thread:

Could go in any number of threads, like media bs good or bad, but I think it'll work just fine here:

Let's call it the PUSH BACK begins? Let's also call out that when arguing against Paradigm Shifts 99.9% of the complaints come from people who are totally STUCK in the existing PARADIGM .... people like xxxxxx, xxxxxx, and xxxxx et al (y'all know who they are] have major difficulties like this.  It's a lack of vision. It's a lack ability to see anything different than what already is.

In this regard AOC/Markey's New Green Deal equally suffers from such constraints as well -- those constraints limit it's ability to make a historic difference or to lead the nation to a better place. It's been written by Americans in America where all kinds of pre-existing Fallacies live and have their Being no matter how "liberal/progressive" they may believe themselves to be - they are still STUCK FAST to a rock like a chinaman's hat by the sea. ;)

This little LAT article (I'd call it a missive) while not trying to shows precisely how this surfaces and explains why this is so (imho for those with eyes to see.)

A few extracts:
AOC's Green New Deal could finally force the U.S. to get serious about climate change
By The Times Editorial Board Feb 08, 2019

The Green New Deal legislation introduced in the House by rookie Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and in the Senate by veteran Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) acknowledge the freight train barreling down on us all, and, to its credit, does what has been missing in the debate. It bellows out a bold, transformational, no-more-baby-steps approach to a catastrophe that has been ignored for too long even by the non-climate deniers in Congress, where oil and gas interests have held sway for decades and where inaction is always easier than the alternative.

To that degree, we welcome the effort and endorse its sweeping calls for getting Americans out of their cars, for transforming our power sources from fossil fuels to renewables, for seeking to recalibrate the nation’s economy away from the things that may kill us, and for reorienting us toward more sustainable means of production, transportation and daily living. Good for Ocasio-Cortez and Markey for making a dramatic statement acknowledging honestly where we are and how far we need to go.

[ now comes the PUSH BACK from unintelligent mindless ignorant fools at the LAT Corporate Troughs ]

On the other hand, we live in the real world, and if this potentially existential problem is going to be addressed, it is going to have to be addressed there. In that regard, this proposal — expressed in twin, nonbinding resolutions — suffers from overreach. It reminds us a bit of the talk about healthcare for all and a livable wage for all and free college for all. Who isn’t for those things? (Well, some people).

As a vision statement for the progressive left, the New Green Deal is admirable, but also largely unreachable. The difficult question is not “Do you support social justice?” or “Do you oppose poverty?” but “How do you fix those in a cautious, money-dominated, politically polarized, uncertain nation like ours?”

More significantly, why laden a clarion call for revolutionary action on climate change — which has wide popular support, according to polls — with attenuated social justice measures that can be more fractious?


The nonbinding nature of the Green New Deal legislation is both a weakness and a strength. On the one hand, we are too far along the path of global warming for symbolic acts. On the other, at least the proposal offers targets for binding legislation in the future that could move us closer to where we need to be.

The more controversial elements of the proposal, meanwhile, should either be excised or allowed to wither on the vine.

For instance, the measure calls for “high quality union jobs” and guaranteed jobs for all.

But unions are the creations of workers and ought to come into existence through workplace democracy, not government edict. [ A Fallacy and a Denial of Historical Fact!!!]

And what would a guaranteed-jobs program look like? How would it get paid for? What would those jobs be? The Green New Deal also calls for “ensuring a commercial environment where every businessperson is free from unfair competition and domination by domestic or international monopolies,” and “providing all people of the United States with high quality health care [and] affordable, safe, and adequate housing.” [b]What in the name of John Muir do those goals have to do with combating climate change?[/b]

[ Um? Pretty much everything imho. Dumb as dirt and half as smart prattles on the know nothing nobodies at Corporate Media Editorial Boards. Not the smartest people in the room that's for sure. :) ]

 We urge policymakers to focus the debate on the core crisis of climate change, while recognizing the magnitude of the transformations required to address it. Regardless of what happens to the Green New Deal proposal itself, serious work lies ahead.

And given Congress’ general inability to act, the work falls to all of us, from personal choices in consumption to pressuring elected officials loudly, strongly, and incessantly to get their heads out of the sand and deal with this.

Oh Mirror Mirror on the Wall ......... always with the right advice but never practising it. :)

Policy and solutions / US Green New Deal
« on: February 11, 2019, 09:10:27 AM »
I believe there are two proposals in the US with the name Green New Deal. One by the Green Party and the other now by Democratic representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Edward Markey.

I figured it deserves a thread of its own, so it doesn't get discussed in a fragmented manner in other threads.

Arctic sea ice / Re: Latest PIOMAS update (January)
« on: February 10, 2019, 10:58:41 PM »
PIOMAS February 2019 is up on the ASIB.

The rest / Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« on: February 10, 2019, 07:38:01 PM »
People who support Pelosi, Clinton and all the other neoliberal hypocrites, are not serious about AGW. It's as simple as that.

The rest / Re: US intervention in foreign lands
« on: February 10, 2019, 07:27:23 PM »
American hero:

Arctic sea ice / Re: PIOMAS vs CryoSat
« on: February 10, 2019, 07:17:02 PM »
Maybe something interesting is going on again on this front. CryoSat-2 has ice thicker than 2011-2018 baseline north of Greenland and CAA, PIOMAS has it thinner.

I'll write about this in the next ASIB PIOMAS update. Anyone have any ideas what could be causing this? Another snow issue?

Arctic sea ice / Re: Latest PIOMAS update (January)
« on: February 10, 2019, 06:48:43 PM »
Looks like the graphs have been updated, but the data not yet.

Edit: Data updated too now.

Policy and solutions / Re: Cars, cars and more cars. And trucks, and....
« on: February 10, 2019, 04:58:40 PM »
I have a feeling the Sion will fail due to escalating costs, but it's a great idea.

Yes, initial price for the battery (size unspecified) was 4000 Euros. This was recently increased to 9500 Euros for a 35 kWh battery, and led to much disappointment on the German forum that I occasionally visit to keep track of things. People cancelling their reservations, etc.

BTW, I don't think this was known when the Fully Charged video was made. The car also won't have a sun roof with solar modules in it (because light effects could cause epileptic seizures) and there won't be three individual seats in the back, but rather 2+1. The rest is still up for grabs (V2G for instance, or heat pump AC), but Sono Motors has struck partnerships with large firms like Continental and Bosch.

On the one hand that's good for an image of reliability and professionalism, but on the other you do wonder whether the price tag will stay at 25,500 Euros, or whether it will go up some more (initial price was 20K until the battery price increase). I'm willing to pay 27-28K. If it gets higher than that, I'll have to think about it.

They have over 9000 reservations now, and allegedly some serious investors as well.

Policy and solutions / Re: Cars, cars and more cars. And trucks, and....
« on: February 10, 2019, 04:19:57 PM »
This is the car I've ordered last summer. I'm number 6000-something on the list.

Though I'm still somewhat sceptical, I really hope they can make it, because this would the first affordable family EV on the market, and could very well be the VW beetle for the people that Tesla and others refuse to build.

With luck, they'll start producing before the year is out, and we'll hopefully get ours before the summer of 2020.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: February 09, 2019, 12:02:44 PM »
Hey Neven,

i never heard of utilities keeping the subsidies for themselves. I will check this out though. I'll get back to you on that one.

It was more something along the lines of 'renewables make things cheaper at certain times, but the utilities (RWE, etc) keep those profits for themselves, instead of distributing back to the German people who made those renewables possible in the first place'.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: February 09, 2019, 10:58:40 AM »
I believe some of the cost in Germany is also caused by utilities keeping the subsidies for themselves instead of giving back to the consumers. But it's a while since I watched a good documentary on the Energiewende.

As for what Blumenkraft said: +1. France's nuclear disposal and decommissioning is going to cost huge amounts of taxpayer money.

The rest / Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« on: February 08, 2019, 10:48:09 AM »
Nancy Pelosi had, a day earlier, referred to the new plan as “the green dream, or whatever they call it

Did she really? How surprising.

The rest / Re: Political theatre/wrestling
« on: February 08, 2019, 10:45:06 AM »
While NRA leaders embraced her, admitted unregistered Russian agent Maria Butina denounced US sanctions and advised a militia group helping Putin seize Crimea.

The rest / Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« on: February 08, 2019, 10:40:02 AM »
Sidd on another thread:

Prof. Lukin takes a thoughtful look back: paying for past sins

"Many Russians who advocated democratic reforms in the early 1990s and for whom both the Yeltsin kleptocracy and the Communist dictatorship were anathema now have reason to blame Talbott and his like-minded associates for contributing to authoritarianism in Russia. Those policies served to discredit Russia’s pro-Western forces completely ..."

"Putin was not initially opposed to the West. Not only did he make several significant concessions to the United States shortly after coming to power ..."

"Putin went through the same stages as Yeltsin had: from hopes of establishing equal cooperation with the United States to the understanding that it was impossible and transitioning to a more independent course. Gorbachev went through a similar process, but only after he was no longer in power. Today, Gorbachev is extremely skeptical about the United States. The similar evolution in the views of three initially pro-Western Moscow leaders shows that it is nearly impossible to establish equal cooperation with the United States because Washington does not, in fact, accept this concept. "

"Like the “true communism” that never actually emerged, Western ideology anticipates a “liberal world order” that has never actually existed, but that the United States and its allies—as the global avant-garde—hope to create."

"the real Russia turned out to be very different from the Russia of their imaginations. In fact, the same can be said about the real America ..."

Read the whole thing:

Prof. Lukin is kinder than I would be.


Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: February 07, 2019, 11:37:26 PM »
Sorry, Sig, I was being sarcastic!

To make up, here's a video of a bunch of bros (one of them running the most popular podcast in the world) who drool over Tesla and Musk:

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: February 07, 2019, 11:10:37 PM »
I've decided to go another route. Instead of buying the 300W grow light I mentioned earlier, I'm buying two second-hand lamps with four fixtures each, and eight LED light bulbs that can operate at either 2700K or 4000K (simply by pressing the switch two times in a row). 2700K is 'warmer' and tends more towards red in the spectrum, which is good for blooming, and 4000K is 'colder' and tends towards blue in the spectrum, which is good for seedlings to get going and remain stable/not falling over.

This way I save some money, get to tinker a bit, and have a fanless (=quiet) set-up that uses some salvaged materials. The eight LED lamps total 64 Watts for 6400 lumen vs the grow light that consumed 130 Watts for 6000 lumen. Now, I know that there are other specs that are more important for grow lights (PAR, PPFD, and so on), but I'm confident that the LED light bulbs will emit enough light in those parts of the spectrum plants like.

If it doesn't work, I can still use the lamps for other purposes.

Below an image of one of the second-hand lamps I'm buying, and an image showing the spectral power distribution of a LED lamp that can go either 2700K or 4000K (unfortunately the lamp this chart is based on, was too expensive (I'm using lamps of this brand throughout the house), so I've decided to go with the Osram version, which is four times cheaper) and the absorption spectrum of photosynthesis below it. As you can see, the charts overlap quite a bit, FWIW.

The rest / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: February 07, 2019, 09:46:39 PM »
Joe Scarborough: 'Vladimir Putin considers America to be an enemy'. I don't believe Putin ever said that. So, either Morning Joe can read minds, or he's just pushing a new (cold) war.

But anyway, Tulsi Gabbard gets some air time on MSNBC, so they can attack her face to face:

If this was journalism, it would be bad journalism.

The rest / Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« on: February 07, 2019, 08:42:40 PM »
This guy is still learning to be a YouTube political commentator, but that video clip of Hillary Clinton... There's only one word for it: psychopath.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: February 07, 2019, 02:41:34 PM »
The reality, just like Lurk is saying, is that all these cuts are made to benefit concentrated wealth, under the guise of climate accords or whatever. A carbon tax would work perfectly well, if you would transparently distribute all of the tax revenues to the population on a per capita basis.

If you use that tax money to either benefit concentrated wealth or bureaucracy, yes, people will get mad. And rightly so. But the system demands it. If you don't (want to) change the system, don't expect AGW to be solved any time soon.

Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: February 07, 2019, 02:34:47 PM »
Does it also show how much savings you make if you buy the car but then never drive it?

The rest / Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« on: February 07, 2019, 10:27:32 AM »
While the boss is busy fueling the political wrestle match with Trump, the aides assure the donors that nothing will change (and millions of Americans don't have cheap access to medical care):

New paper our, stating that Petermann velocity has increased by 10% after the 2012 mega-calving, and that new one is coming. From AWI:

Risse kündigen Abbruch eines großen Eisberges am Petermann-Gletscher an

AWI-Forscher messen höheres Fließtempo des Gletschers und sagen eine weitere Beschleunigung im Falle eines Abbruchs voraus

[06. Februar 2019]
Risse in der schwimmenden Eiszunge des Petermann-Gletschers im äußersten Nordwesten Grönlands deuten auf einen weiteren Abbruch eines großen Eisberges hin. Wie Glaziologen des Alfred-Wegener-Institutes, Helmholtz-Zentrum für Polar- und Meeresforschung (AWI) in einer neuen Studie berichten, hat sich seit einem Eisberg-Abbruch im Jahr 2012 das Fließtempo des Gletschers um durchschnittlich 10 Prozent erhöht, sodass in der Folgezeit neue Risse entstanden sind – ein durchaus natürlicher Vorgang. Modellsimulationen der Forscher zeigen jedoch: Sollten auch diese Eismassen abbrechen, wird sich der Petermann-Gletscher vermutlich weiter beschleunigen und mehr Eis ins Meer transportieren, mit entsprechenden Folgen für den globalen Meeresspiegel. Die Studie ist im „Journal of Geophysical Research: Earth Surface“ erschienen und frei erhältlich.

The rest / Re: US intervention in foreign lands
« on: February 06, 2019, 10:18:11 AM »
Some more from neocon psychopath Max Boot (in a normal, sane country, people like this wouldn't have such easy access to media):

The rest / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: February 06, 2019, 09:14:33 AM »
I also liked this quote towards the end:

It's cartoon now. It's cartoonland. And again, I want to point out that - you can bring this up in your own conversations - when it comes to Venezuela, Trump is backing the coup and wants to overthrow Maduro in Venezuela and take the oil, and Russia is stopping him. Now, if Trump is a Putin puppet, why is he opposing Russia in Venezuela? So, if you're for overthrowing Maduro, you agree with Trump. Trump is a Putin puppet, you already admit that. So, how could you be going along with a Putin puppet? And if you're against Trump in Venezuela, you're on the side of Russia, so now you're a Putin puppet. So, no matter which side of that equation you're on, you are a Putin puppet.

So, can we stop this now? Of course, we won't. But that's the easiest way to reveal that this Russiagate stuff is BS, and people pushing it aren't thinking. The people who are pushing Russiagate... Again, I'll explain to you what it is. Their lizard brain gets excited by Donald Trump, and their critical thinking skills go right out the window.

Some of the smartest people I know, Rachel Maddow, she's really smart. She's a maniac, she's worse than Glenn Beck used to be with his chalkboard and saying 'Muslims are coming, Muslims are coming'. She's doing it, she's saying it's Russians.

Arctic sea ice / Re: Latest PIOMAS update (January)
« on: February 05, 2019, 01:13:57 PM »
I've taken the liberty of uploading it to YouTube (let me know if that's not okay with you, Wip):

Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: February 05, 2019, 10:32:11 AM »
Enough with the general debates already! This is a forum full of threads, and if you can't find one to fit your general debate, then create one!

I have to sleep at night, and now there are too many off-topic rants, one after the other. But the next time I will delete every single one of them. I created this thread to discuss Tesla glory/failure. I want to see bull/bear links, op-eds, videos, whatever, and not too much personal opinion, let alone rants and insults.

This is going to play out for a while, so please, have some patience and stop this repetitive vicious cycle.

Arctic sea ice / Re: 2019 sea ice area and extent data
« on: February 04, 2019, 03:28:17 PM »
ps: I am looking forward to March when Neven has to decide when to open the 2019 melting thread, and is bombarded with unwanted advice and demands from all sides as daily extent change wobbles around above and below zero.

Yes, that's my favourite time of year!  ;D

Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: February 04, 2019, 03:26:46 PM »
I agree, Neil, but don't you find it somewhat strange that so many financial people leave?

The forum / Re: Milestones
« on: February 04, 2019, 10:37:31 AM »
According to the stats member number 1500 has just registered. It could be that some of those 1500 members are sleeping spambots, although I do seem to catch most of them.

The rest / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: February 03, 2019, 10:03:19 PM »
Anderson Cooper, perfectly channeling the conditioned thinking that protects the status quo:

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