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Thank you for that great post ShortBrutishNasty :) .

Re: extremely intelligent 16 year olds. To understand, don't think of them as children, not in the sense of not being developed. They may not have yet our detail of certain understanding of culture but their view of reality is sharper than extremely intelligent grown-ups. They are not yet blinded by what grown-ups call 'normal' without thinking about it. These young humans are used to thinking and learning. Most grown-ups are not. This is a completely new situation and the grown-ups seem stuck in their non-learning ways.

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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: Today at 10:59:11 AM »
Osborne Brothers - Rocky Top (1967)


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Thank you for that videolink and your defence of Greta, SATire.
And I also didn't get it.
I agree with you and blumenkraft. I get you both :) .

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Policy and solutions / Re: Water Resource Management
« on: Today at 10:15:54 AM »
  'I don't know how we come back from this': Australia's big dry sucks life from once-proud towns

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/14/i-dont-know-how-we-come-back-from-this-australias-big-dry-sucks-life-from-once-proud-towns
  by Anne Davies, Ben Smee and Lorena Allam


 Quotes:
Australia is experiencing one of its most severe droughts on record, resulting in desperate water shortages across large parts of New South Wales and southern Queensland. Dams in some parts of western NSW have all but dried up, with rainfall levels through the winter in the lowest 10% of historical records in some areas.

The crisis in the far west of the state became unavoidable after the mass fish kills along the lower Darling River last summer, but now much bigger towns closer to the coast, including Dubbo, are also running out of water.

Residents of three distinct areas talked to Guardian Australia about the state of their towns under extreme stress from water shortages, expressing anxiety about their future but also determination to keep communities alive.


“Ah, but it will be all right. We’ve got through this before.”

Macdonald says he was called “a communist” by a local Warwick identity for suggesting the weather patterns had changed and that October thunderstorms were no longer a regular occurrence.

“I’d be too frightened to talk about [climate change] in this town,” he says. “It doesn’t get through to people at all. Not one bit.”



Warwick is on track to run out of water within months. Roadside signs heading into town remind residents of the new restrictions: 100 litres per person, per day.

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  $1m a minute: the farming subsidies destroying the world

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/16/1m-a-minute-the-farming-subsidies-destroying-the-world
 by Damian Carrington

 Quotes:
Just 1% of the $700bn (£560bn) a year given to farmers is used to benefit the environment, the analysis found. Much of the total instead promotes high-emission cattle production, forest destruction and pollution from the overuse of fertiliser.

The report rejects the idea that subsidies are needed to supply cheap food. It found that the cost of the damage currently caused by agriculture is greater than the value of the food produced. New assessments in the report found producing healthy, sustainable food would actually cut food prices, as the condition of the land improves.


A series of major recent reports have concluded the world’s food system is broken. It is driving the planet towards climate catastrophe while leaving billions of people either underfed or overweight

The “remarkable” return of forests in Costa Rica, the report says, followed the eliminating of cattle subsidies and payments for improving nature. “But there is a long way to go,” the report concludes. “Perverse subsidies need to be rapidly redirected or phased out.”

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Consequences / Re: Pathogens and their impacts
« on: Today at 09:52:23 AM »
https://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/index.html

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Antibiotic resistance is one of the biggest public health challenges of our time. Each year in the U.S., at least 2 million people get an antibiotic-resistant infection, and at least 23,000 people die.

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Science / Re: 2019 CO2 emissions
« on: Today at 07:03:25 AM »
Almost Tom. Almost.  ;D :P

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Great posts sidd, thanks.

“We love our phones, but we do not trust them. And love without trust is the definition of an abusive relationship.”
Beautiful!  :-*

I love the feminist lens aspect. You can gain many new insights from looking through the 'lens' of oppressed groups.

Other lenses: nature animal lens, child lens, LHBT lens, poor people lens, old people lens, ill or disabled lens, indiginous people lens, prostitute lens, whistleblower lens, human rights fighter lens, nature defender lens and last but not least, the lens of history.

----

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What if the global ruling class was intentionally destroying the climate?

Funny that you mention this.
I have a good 'theory' of their fantasyworld and deep believes:

Via mystic, symbolic, 'secret society', illuminati, scientology and other sources these global ruling class shitpeople are convinced that 'The space aliens' say that they, the shitpeople, are the chosen ones; the winners. And of course deserve to enter the aliens' fantastic beautiful paradise but to make this possible, first the Earth has to be cleared of that simple stupid DNA based life it has now. Before the superior space aliens can conquer the planet.

Please don't for a moment think that it is not possible for those people to believe these things. What they believe is very likely far more extreme and insane than I sketched. This is not a joke.

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That would be a very good first test of finding out the melting properties of ice contaminated with microplastics.

How to get pure water?
How to contaminate pure water with a known amount and one specific type and size of microplastics?
How to get a homogenous distribution of microplastics in the ice?

I would advise to do the test not only with warming by insolation, but also with warming the tray or warming a layer of pure water underneath the ice.

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The rest / Re: Systemic Isolation
« on: Today at 05:43:15 AM »
Re: (Zen) meditation

I don't understand the meditation practice of 'emptying' your head.
Does it mean thinking nothing at all, or just not thinking in human language?

By having a head full of thoughts, I have so much fun, new explorations and insights. And I don't need to lose any lifetime by trying to stop my thinking. I lose enough lifetime by sleeping 8 hours every day ;) .
Restraint and quiet is good, but this kind of restraint seems purposeless to me.

To a certain degree I am already able to study the workings of my own head.


Nice word, "Zen". Has a mystic dreamy quality to it :) .

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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: Today at 05:26:24 AM »
Dear kassy, while I appreciate your argument and your posts in general, this made me respond:

<snip>
That is BS. You can read all you want to get the tone

Posted in the Forum Decorum thread.
I don't like to read those expressions. I think that you are better than this :) .

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The forum / Re: Suggestions
« on: September 15, 2019, 06:04:44 PM »
Would it be possible to implement a LaTex interpreter?

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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: September 15, 2019, 05:59:19 PM »
Yves Duteil - Tarentelle (fr) (1977)


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Policy and solutions / Re: Cars, cars and more cars Part Deux
« on: September 15, 2019, 05:56:27 PM »
 :P


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Consequences / Re: Prepping for Collapse
« on: September 15, 2019, 05:40:19 PM »
- Why has there been no success in eliminating tax havens?
- Why is the Keeling curve accelerating since the 2015 Paris accord?
- Why are there still massive subsidies given to fossil fuel related corporations?
(I could make this list much longer)

Please think about what these questions tell us about our leadership?
(hint: There's no meaningful effort at all, just make-belief and BAU)

Is really nothing big going to change? (Apart from the elimination of ecosystems and all other lifeforms, and receiving increasingly catastrophic weather)
How long is this going to go on?
In this way you are assured of collapse, almost working towards it in the most effective way.

I'd say supporting the current systems is very very stupid in this regard.
Very stupid to acquiesce with this destructive insane system that is responsible, and work towards your own lifestyle's quick end.

Please stop your bad behaviour. Please don't give in to ease, perceived 'comfort' and temptation; it is not the 'good life' you are sold, it is a destructive and by MSM/advertising conditioned 'dream'.
Why have a career? Just have a good and full and, yes, more difficult life. You'll get richer!

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The rest / Re: Archaeology/Paleontology news
« on: September 15, 2019, 07:54:07 AM »
  The bizarre social history of beds

https://phys.org/news/2019-09-bizarre-social-history-beds.html
 by Brian Fagan

 Quotes:
Groucho Marx once joked, "Anything that can't be done in bed isn't worth doing at all." You might think he was referring to sleeping and sex. But humans, at one time or another, have done just about everything in bed.

Much about our beds have remained unchanged for centuries. But one aspect of the bed has undergone a dramatic shift.

Today, we usually sleep in bedrooms with the door shut firmly behind us. They're the ultimate realm of privacy. No one else is allowed in them, aside from a spouse or lover.

it wasn't always this way.

But one thing that has changed is who has occupied the bed. For most of human history, people thought nothing of crowding family members or friends into the same bed.

The 17th-century diarist Samuel Pepys often slept with male friends and rated their conversation skills.

Travelers often slept with strangers. In China and Mongolia, kangs – heated stone platforms—were used in inns as early as 5000 B.C. Guests supplied the bedding and slept with fellow tourists.


From public to private

During the 19th century, beds and bedrooms gradually became private spheres. A major impetus was rapid urbanization during the Industrial Revolution. In cities, compact row houses were constructed with small rooms, each with a specific purpose, one of which was sleeping.

Another reason was religion. The Victorian era was a devout age, and Evangelical Christianity was pervasive by the 1830s. Such beliefs placed great emphasis on marriage, chastity, the family, and the bond between parent and child; allowing strangers or friends under the covers was no longer kosher. By 1875, Architect magazine had published an essay declaring that a bedroom used for anything other than sleeping was unwholesome and immoral.

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The forum / Re: ASIF Statistics
« on: September 15, 2019, 06:52:34 AM »
From 2015 to may2019 I have lurked here. You can lurk without signing up.

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Permafrost / Re: Arctic Methane Release
« on: September 15, 2019, 05:42:13 AM »
^^
From the article:
Quote
What can we learn from the bacteria?

"Although there is a lot of energy in methane, methane as a molecule is difficult to activate and break apart, says Professor Thamdrup.

"Finding out how microorganisms do the job is not only important for understanding the process. In the long term, it may also potentially be of biotechnological value. Maybe it can help us convert methane into other useful products."

Univ. of S.Denmark says "What can we learn from the bacteria?" -> products & exploitation.

This is from the natural sciences no less. Behaving like corporations subsidised by us.
There probably are exceptions but I see in biotech and microbiology absolutely NO RESPECT for other lifeforms and ecosystems.

   Other lifeform = potential product.  Nefarious.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Cars, cars and more cars Part Deux
« on: September 15, 2019, 05:03:25 AM »
^^
I agree with Neven (microplastics from tyres) and TerryM.

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The forum / Re: Suggestions
« on: September 14, 2019, 05:25:45 PM »
^^
Thanks for the info gerontocrat, I didn't know.

Is that really your windows-pointer-icon? I have to say, the point where you click is clear with that monster :) . I have my lcd screen on 5% intensity (35% contrast) in the morning and lose my pointer quite often. Temporarily. A large red one will serve better. Thanks for the tip :) .

Sorry for the non-serious interlude.

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The rest / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: September 14, 2019, 05:04:10 PM »
^^
Just wow. I didn't know it worked that way. Un-F*-believable. What a chaos.

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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: September 14, 2019, 10:47:20 AM »
Re: dying sound equipment
Man, I really miss my HiFi system that I've enjoyed so so much since 1989. I've shed many tears from pure joy.

Because my Camtech8000A amplifier has problems since I moved  :(, I cannot use my Philips turntable, my NakamichiCR4E cassette deck, my MarantzCD85 cd player, my AudiolabCrestoMkII speakers and my SonySA5ES tuner. My Stax died earlier. I'm feeling kinda blue about it.

I now use 20 euro computerspeakers from Logitech because I have no money to repair my amplifier. It is built with only discrete components (no IC's) so should be repairable by an amateur if the PCB and the enormous trafo are still in one piece.
At least the old speakers make for nice furniture and I can put potted plants on them.

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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: September 14, 2019, 09:05:44 AM »
The Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want (1969)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv9sDn_2XkI?t=xx


edit: disable embedding. thanks gerontocrat and Jim.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Carbon tax
« on: September 14, 2019, 06:36:13 AM »
For direct emissions: Since we should have decabonised >2 decades ago, I propose a meaningful carbon tax of EUR 5000/tonne (EUR 5/Kg). This also applies to personal travel by aeroplane, boat and bus. But not for public transport which is exempted.
Corporations are legal persons and to be treated as natural persons wrt carbon tax.

To ease the change, step it up in three years from EUR 500, EUR 1000 to EUR 5000. Right now, we should be shaking from being in a feverish hurry to change our ways if we take reality and eco/climate science seriously. "I want you to panic".

Half of the carbon tax revenue must be distributed to poor people in your rich country, so rich people will have a strong incentive to change their behaviour. The other half must be invested in electrification of all public transport and making it free for all. A beautiful effect will be the disappearance of the abomination of foodbanks. And oil-derived biocides.

For indirect emissions of products (food, clothes, packaging etc): make it mandatory to state the carbon footprint per unit of mass/volume on the packaging so consumers are aware of the real cost. After 2 years, impose the same carbon tax on the products. By this time the poor people should have enough money cover the increased costs of basic products such as food. Organic food (local) will be cheaper so that sector can grow and expand.


I haven't really thought it through for the many unintended/unforeseen consequences (too complex and not enough knowledge). Financial breakdown is not an unintended consequence. We need to stop these high energy, high carbon footprint lifestyles! We are already too late to prevent catastrophic climate change (>2C GMST).


edit: changed "a" to "the same" in 2nd to last pararaph.

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The forum / Re: GIF size, your Internet, and what is usable?
« on: September 14, 2019, 05:32:19 AM »
Maybe it is possible to change the forum software. To provide a separate way to load the thread without all the embedding and autoloading. To only load the bare HTML.

Have you tried to use wget in stead of your browser?

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Science / Re: Trump Administration Assaults on Science and the Environment
« on: September 13, 2019, 08:20:33 PM »
Thanks vox_mundi. This wall is abominable and obscene.
(I think you forgot to give the link to the article)

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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: September 13, 2019, 08:12:11 PM »
That classical stuff is nice to whistle  :).

(how do you make the youtube hyperlink to not embed the video?)

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The rest / Re: Systemic Isolation
« on: September 13, 2019, 06:44:44 PM »
<snip>
But he was already stoned ;)

Yes but he asked for more.
I can understand that, and his 'need' ;). I smoke 8 joints a day on average (0.6g).

About the photo, that is a picture I took from the Internet. Those are not mine, sorry for the confusion. I don't use cigarettes.
Over here we have shag  8).

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Consequences / Re: Prepping for Collapse
« on: September 13, 2019, 06:39:03 PM »
A true predator would want to kill it's own food.

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The rest / Re: Systemic Isolation
« on: September 13, 2019, 06:35:22 PM »
^^
I think it boils down to language representation limits and not understanding the concept of conscience. To thinking in the wrong level of detail; missing many 'bigger pictures'. To trying to define something that in reality is not one thing.

There are many limitations to new understanding and new interpretations because of language representation limits. I run into that a lot. It's better to leave ideas floating until they're clear and consistent. Then practice in how to formulate it in human language.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: When will the Arctic Go Ice Free?
« on: September 13, 2019, 06:20:45 PM »
Thank you for giving your view gerontocrat. And I fully agree with your reasoning and wording.

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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: September 13, 2019, 06:01:23 PM »
Nelson Riddle - Lisbon Antigua (i) (1956)


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A reaction to the recent post by ALSR from 7PM.
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2205.msg228282.html#msg228282

Thanks ASLR (I'm not specifically addressing you in this post).

I agree with what ALSR wrote but disagree with the article.

We NEED to lose the capitalist system asap. Not change it. Fundamental changes are paramount. We NEED to lose the concept of rich people (=all non-poor people). They are the culprits. They have the power (direct or via consuming choices) but are so deeply addicted and insane that they fight any fundamental change. They just don't want to change their behaviour.

In order to heal, many times you have to go through a painful phase.

The longer you postpone healing, the more painful it will get. In this metaphore it will not get more painful for just the non-poor (ie the rich), but for all life on Earth, not just humans.
If you could take a photograph of this low morality and insanity of rich people, you would get a very black and dirty picture. Stinking.


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That level of sacrifice is unacceptable to most.

What is unacceptable to XR, Greta and me, is losing the future for all life on Earth and the likely extinction of the human species.
That is the real sacrifice! THE DESTRUCTION OF THE FUTURE OF ALL LIFE ON EARTH. In order for rich people to keep their high energy life styles today.

This real sacrifice is a couple of hops further on the inference chain, so less intelligent people don't 'see' it.
Well, of course they see the poor people around the world suffering from the consequences of their high energy lifestyles, but those poor people are not Real people like Us. They're just numbers. So they're not important...
Try telling a poor African about your imaginary sacrifices.


edit: improved wording of 2nd to last sentence

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 13, 2019, 07:51:04 AM »
<snip>
Katowice (December 2018) interview Part 1:
Katowice interview Part 2, together with Kevin Anderson:
"... and we don't want to be screwed." -- Greta

Thank you for these links Florifulgurator. They were interesting to watch :).

Strangely and beautifully, I recognise a lot of arguments and acting upon them by Greta.
My very strong 'feeling' of justice (morality) and personal responsibility has made me go all the way to ZERO DIRECT EMISSIONS and move away from the civilisation interpretation of 'good life'. Live like people lived in the old days. And started my research in urban hermitage to find the reasons for civilisation and human behaviour.

I would expect all people like Greta and like me, to follow our paths. This is in general not what I observe.
Then again, I consciously never became a grown-up. Perhaps that is the distinction?

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The forum / Re: Arctic Sea Ice Forum Humor
« on: September 13, 2019, 06:15:26 AM »
Nature washing and cleaning the rich from their destructive dreams; their precious beloved stuff. Pop.

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Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: September 12, 2019, 06:11:59 PM »
Good question Tom. I think the answer may be in the article/paper.

To add to vox_mundi, I'l like to point out that there may be another essential resource that is diminishing: Thiamine
From wikipedia:
Quote
It is an essential micronutrient, which cannot be made in the body.
---

Wild birds of declining European species are dying from a thiamine deficiency syndrome

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2715476/

Quote
Abstract

Wild birds of several species are dying in large numbers from an idiopathic paralytic disease in the Baltic Sea area. Here, we demonstrate strong relationships between this disease, breeding failure, and thiamine (vitamin B1) deficiency in eggs, pulli, and full-grown individuals. Thiamine is essential for vertebrates, and its diphosphorylated form functions as a cofactor for several life sustaining enzymes, whereas the triphosphorylated form is necessary for the functioning of neuronal membranes. Paralyzed individuals were remedied by thiamine treatment. Moreover, thiamine deficiency and detrimental effects on thiamine-dependent enzymes were demonstrated in the yolk, liver, and brain. We propose that the mortality and breeding failure are part of a thiamine deficiency syndrome, which may have contributed significantly to declines in many bird populations during the last decades.

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Consequences / Re: Prepping for Collapse
« on: September 12, 2019, 06:00:03 PM »
Look at our teeth and molars. We are not predators. Our eyes are in the front because we needed to catch the branch after leaping.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Electric cars
« on: September 12, 2019, 04:35:29 PM »
[sarc]
isn't human contemporary language deliciously unequivocal  :P ::)
[/sarc]

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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: September 12, 2019, 04:30:19 PM »
A real classic (I can strongly recommend the movie as well :) ):
Oh how things were better in those days. Tranquility and freedom. And humour. And really deep connections and trust.

Henry Mancini - Theme From 'The Pink Panther' (i) (1975)


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Consequences / Re: Prepping for Collapse
« on: September 12, 2019, 03:49:33 PM »
I find specially easy to join Bruce opinions, maybe because I have been sailor, fisherman and farmer..

Sounds like an interesting life outside :).
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Some have stated that our farming only started after growing too much to keep being hunters/gathers.

I don't think so, seeing all indiginous tribes prospering since our agricutural beginning, until they met civilisation.

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We can not "morally" accept a cull on humans but our intuition is telling us that it's becoming a must. And that's why is not rare to will for a 'natural' wipe out.

I don't understand. I have no such intuition. A cull? Did you really mean to write that?
There's a cull planned in the U.K. for 10000's badgers. A wet dream for hunters. Most hunters are humans, a prey animal, pretending to be predators by using technology. Pushing buttons. Sorry for the off-topic part.

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That strange collective property of our minds, something emerging from the human's super organism

In my opinion those ideas don't describe reality.


edit: added badger cull text

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Policy and solutions / Re: Cars, cars and more cars Part Deux
« on: September 12, 2019, 03:39:46 PM »
You don't need to do 50 mph. -7C is very doable on a bicycle.
You don't need to shower. I have three siblings and we all showered once per week on Fridays. My mom and dad as well. And no fancy products and odours. This was in the 70's, not so long ago and a shower is an enormous luxury. Warmed potable water raining on you. Potable water down the drain.

I see the things you think you need and can only say that please, try to view it through the 'lenses' of someone from the 70's. Or 50's. Or all those millenia before.

Have you forgotten public transport? Shared transport?
Are you putting that option perhaps unconsciously away? Just asking :)


edit: corrected number of siblings

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Policy and solutions / Re: Cars, cars and more cars Part Deux
« on: September 12, 2019, 11:36:05 AM »
<snip>
Clearly you have not ridden a motorcycle in -7C conditions in freezing fog.....  Or in a snowstorm, or a rainstorm, or hail.

I don't know why that's clear to you, but it is wrong. Apart from the snowstorm (we don't get many of those here).
At one time I was riding on an icy road inbetween cars and trucks. I lost front traction for a moment and was lucky to stabilise my motor again.

Most people want to put no more effort in than pushing some buttons and then 'fly' as fast as possible to place far away. Afraid of the elements. Afraid of physical exercise. Afraid of cold, wet, wind etc.

On a bicycle you are not cold. The face and hands can get cold, so what, that's normal in winter. There are gloves and mittens to help with that.

Don't be a weakling and hop on your bike  :P ;)

I have done the things you wrote for years on my bicycle. As a teenager. No problemo. People have been doing that since the 1940's.
Bicycles have advantages:
                 No emissions,
                 they are cheap,
                 you are outside,
                 going at a speed that you are still able to take in the surroundings,
                 it is safer,
                 it is much much lighter (I always lift mine up and down the stairs),
                 takes hardly any space,
                 less 'highway' traffic rules,
                 if you've taken the wrong turn you just turn your bike around,
                 no helmet,
                 no special clothing,
                 no noise,
                 easy and cheap to repair it yourself,
                 it is good for your health, it is exercise,
                 there are many more different models to choose from,
                 if you fall there is little chance of hurting yourself if you're an experienced cyclist,
                 there are models for females and disabled people.

I buy my beer in a crate of 24x30cl bottles from a supermarket 2 Km away. Put it on the luggage carrier of my bicycle and secure it with elastic bands ("snelbinders").

I have been cycling with 2 or 3 others on my bike, there's a steer you can sit on and the "stang", the upper connecting metal rod where you can sit on. Having fun. Crashing in the water or bushes or going downhill for fun.

When you're the first away when the traffic light turns green, you have done it yourself, it is a real accomplishment and not just being smug from pushing buttons.


edit: improved layout

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Policy and solutions / Re: Cars, cars and more cars Part Deux
« on: September 12, 2019, 06:47:03 AM »
What we need is the lightest possible box that can move objects from point a to point b as fast as possible and without emitting.
<snip>

Why the need for a "box"? I assume you mean a form of enclosure, a form of being 'inside'. Why is that needed?

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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: September 12, 2019, 06:07:23 AM »
Jonathan Richman & The Modern Lovers - Egyptian Reggae (i) (1977)

Great special effects ;D

(I couldn't find the videoclip on youtube)

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The rest / Re: Empire - America and the future
« on: September 12, 2019, 05:52:00 AM »
Normalized murder.
Example of a soldier who joins the military:

Wanting to be a soldier, you join the government organisation for violence and death.
You get send to a country far away you don't know.
There, from a distance, you kill other humans you don't know,
following an order from someone you don't know.
When you return home you're a hero.

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Consequences / Re: Prepping for Collapse
« on: September 12, 2019, 05:29:37 AM »
<snip>
"In this respect, any movement toward a more just and civil society can now be considered a meaningful climate action. Securing fair elections is a climate action. Combatting extreme wealth inequality is a climate action. Shutting down the hate machines on social media is a climate action. Instituting humane immigration policy, advocating for racial and gender equality, promoting respect for laws and their enforcement, supporting a free and independent press, ridding the country of assault weapons—these are all meaningful climate actions. To survive rising temperatures, every system, whether of the natural world or of the human world, will need to be as strong and healthy as we can make it."

Great! Having high morality and acting upon it (ethics) is meaningful climate action  :D.

High morality such as taking other people into account; treat everyone with respect; be kind; have a very low carbon footprint; don't give in to temptation (buying stuff and candy, making everything easy on yourself); do not hurry; don't be rich; ride bicycle; share; pay compliments; don't care about 'status' etc.
Why aren't people doing that? What's the problem?
 ::)

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Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: September 11, 2019, 04:58:45 PM »
  I never thought I'd see the Australian rainforest burning.
  What will it take for us to wake up to the climate crisis?

  by Joëlle Gergis

 Dr Joëlle Gergis is an award-winning climate scientist and writer based at the
 Australian National University. She is a lead author of the United Nation’s
 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Sixth Assessment report, and an
 expert advisor to the Climate Council
.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/10/i-never-thought-id-see-the-australian-rainforest-burning-what-will-it-take-for-us-to-wake-up-to-the-climate-crisis


 Quotes:
"The extreme events that our community has been talking about for decades are now becoming part of our lived experience, season after season, year after year across the entire planet. What we are seeing play out now is much faster than many of us ever imagined."

"Barely a week after sweltering through an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) lead author meeting discussing the UN group’s sixth global climate assessment report during an unseasonable European heatwave, it’s been surreal to return home to find much of Australia’s eastern seaboard engulfed in unprecedented bushfires crisis. In spring."

"What we expect to see in our future climate is playing out right now, not decades in the future. As we begin to drift away from the safe shores of historical variability, the only certainty is that life in the “new normal” will be outside the range of human experience."

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Science / Re: Trump Administration Assaults on Science and the Environment
« on: September 11, 2019, 07:36:25 AM »
vox_mundi, thanks for all the info and the very nice and suitable cartoons :).

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The rest / Re: Economic Inequality
« on: September 11, 2019, 07:20:36 AM »
Thanks sidd. Horrible. Hard to imagine. The richest country in the world. Being rich = low morality (it creates poor people).
I am poor by choice and am so glad that I don't live in the U.S.A.
In the U.S.A. I probably would be suffering and faced with violence and bad food.
I very probably would have left the U.S.A..
Message to poor people in the USA: Go go go now. Leave to the north or east or west. It is a vanishing option. Organise. Cooperate.

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Consequences / Re: Prepping for Collapse
« on: September 11, 2019, 07:01:16 AM »
We need to source our primary energy in such a way that does not increase atmospheric CO2 levels. This is actually quite easy compared with mining coal, extracting oil and gas.

We(*) had it so easy with so much freedom, equality, diversity and intense shared experiences not so long ago. For the 'we' in the expanding conquering civilisation you have to go further back. 10000 years or so.
Civilisation went totally in the wrong direction. Control living nature by technological forces in stead of cooperating and living with nature. We have to revert to old ways of doing things. Retrace our steps, our wrong cultural choices.

(*) this "We" means all of humankind, not just civilisation. For example the Frisians lost it 2000 years ago, the North-American indiginous 'indians' lost it 400 years ago, the Australian aboriginals lost it some 250 years ago, the Amazonian indiginous 'indians' are losing it NOW.

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