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Consequences / Re: Chinese coronavirus
« on: Today at 09:20:53 AM »

A snapshot comparing SARS & Coronavirus


Consequences / Re: Chinese coronavirus
« on: Today at 09:06:37 AM »
From a personal vantagepoint.

The 1st Canadian patient, now in isolation in Toronto, apparently spent 9 hours at the ER of St. Joseph's Hospital in Hamilton Ont. (per Reddit)

St. Joseph's is ~40 KM from my building and is the hospital where my cancer problems are treated. The hospital is ~15 blocks from the home where I'd have had dinner last Saturday, if not for my paranoia.

No spread of infection in evidence from that patient, (other than his wife who is Canada's 2nd confirmed case), but I somehow feel vindicated for opting out of the dinner party.


I didn't know that anyone in Utah voted for Democrats. ::)

Policy and solutions / Re: Ships and boats
« on: Today at 06:23:21 AM »
I believe LNG has been proposed for heavy shipping in the polar route, at least by Russia. Their extant atomic icebreakers leave the door open for nuclear powered super cargo ships should the economics ever make sense.

The fleet of atomic icebreakers is still expanding & the technology has proven itself over time.

Policy and solutions / Re: Electric cars
« on: Today at 06:11:48 AM »
The maps you posted re. soil degradation don't come close to each other, and the second makes little sense WRT land I'm somewhat familiar with.

In Canada from east to west the first two red blobs are virgin forest, northern forests no doubt, but still for the most part unharvested. The 3d double blob appears to combine farm land with northern forest, while the most westerly large red area seems centered on Banff, a huge alpine wilderness area.

With the possible exception of the 3d blob none of these regions are suitable for agriculture now or in the future.
While the first map seems reasonable, the second seems totally unrelated.

Am I missing something?

Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: January 27, 2020, 09:08:49 PM »

Blame probably reflects your own perception of guilt, I suggest.

It could well be. I've seen many things that I blame humanity (and therefore myself) for.
Take a trip to one of the buffalo "jumps", where buffalo herds were stampeded over a cliff so that a season's, (or a month's), meat might be procured. It tarnishes your vision of pre-Columbian people living at one with nature.
There is a Mammoth kill site in Arizona where the Clovis people killed 13 Mammoths - and ate the right rear leg of one of them. These guys never developed the bow and arrow.

We're more efficient than our technically deficient ancestors, but I feel that it's only because they hadn't developed poisoned bait, high powered rifles or atomic bombs. They didn't burn the prairies to regenerate the land, but rather so they could club a few rabbits.

Blaming the civilization of our kind for the destruction you see may blind you to scenes of family groups preying on other family groups well before they came together as tribes. Civilization & our mastering of technology has only increased the effective scope of our predations.

The Yanomami believed a boy needed to kill a male from a neighboring tribe before he "became a man" - i.e. "before he could get laid". The missionaries found they could attract adherents simply by offering shotguns to their converts. Another success for the White Man's Deity, or simply a more efficient method of limiting population growth among the heathen?

Stay Healthy, but remember that you're the progeny of thousands of generations of predators.

Consequences / Re: Chinese coronavirus
« on: January 27, 2020, 07:20:26 PM »
That's good to hear Silkman, It's a story I'd never been told.

The UK is now taking the 14 day incubation period seriously.

“From today, we are therefore asking anyone in the UK who has returned from Wuhan in the last 14 days to self-isolate. Stay indoors and avoid contact with other people - and to contact NHS 111."

Note that they aren't limiting the instructions to those experiencing symptoms.

I've read that a vaccine won't be available for at least a year - and that's if it doesn't mutate.

I once wandered about in Nevada & So. California for ~18 months with a chemically castrated immune system. Mine had become distracted and was eating the myelin sheath from my nerves and brain.
I avoided door knobs, push buttons and handrails, stopped shaking hands or hugging, avoided large crowds and left the premises when I heard the 1st cough or sniffle. My wife mirrored my actions. Probably good luck as much as anything, but we never had as much as a runny nose until well after my immune system had been replaced through IVIG treatments.

We're about to repeat those rather odd affectations in hopes that this thing passes us by, and we'll be donning masks in public now to be on the safe side.

I'd rather be seen as the strange bird that lives upstairs, than remembered as the friendly chap that died in the pandemic.

Masks are cheap here and altering your habits doesn't cost a nickel.
If you've a job that requires contract with lots of people, call in sick - or take a vacation.

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: January 27, 2020, 04:40:44 PM »

Consequences / Re: Chinese coronavirus
« on: January 27, 2020, 03:27:14 PM »

Will China become a great big 21st century Eyam and be respected for its actions?
I strongly doubt that China, or her leaders, will receive any plaudits for their actions. I do believe that they're due, but not that they'll be offered.

Thanks for the link to Eyam's story! Were they viewed as heroes or fools by their peers?

Consequences / Re: Effects of Climate Change on the biosphere
« on: January 27, 2020, 02:53:44 PM »
I think that part of the difference between terrestrial and ocean habitants is that it's hard to hide a clearcut forest and hard to visualize the demise of a kelp forest. (your pictures help, but few witnessed the kelp ecosystem when it was extant.)

If Halifax's cod were any where near 10% of their historic levels I don't think the Jellys could have invaded Bras d'Or. Not extinction, but a fundamental ecological disruption caused by overfishing.
Whales aren't fish, and they aren't extinct, but they're no longer herded, killed, and fed to captive mink, breed to beautify New York's 5th Avenue doyens in the colder months.

The last of the Stellar Manatees probably died at the hands of whalers, not a fish & not killed by fishermen, but aquatic creatures exterminated by those hunting aquatic creatures.

Grizzlies are alive and well in the Canadian Rockies. We could probably be talked into sending a breeding pair or two, if California would pledge not to engage in bear baiting extravaganzas.

We did donate a lot of beaver to take the place of those exterminated in the brutal quest for better quality top hats, but I haven't heard of how they are faring, or how they'd re-sculpted the riparian  wetlands.

Fishermen, farmers and herdsmen all share in the common goal of producing more food than they consume, but only farmers and shore bound fishermen see the destruction of their land / their bay as affecting their livelihood. The Santa Barbara trawlers, facing restrictions on a single sandy strand soon stray north, south or west until they find greener pastures with fewer regulations in which to practice their trade.
Newfoundland once famously chased a poacher across the ocean and back to her (well regulated) Spanish waters.

In the "Commons" it's the first and the fiercest that profit. The "Commons" are underwater now, and it's there that covert destruction can flourish.


Consequences / Re: Effects of Climate Change on the biosphere
« on: January 27, 2020, 12:28:14 PM »
Perhaps your building thought that with your person, there are enough nuts around. ;)
I'm not serious

My wife is the one that holds the owners nuts to the fire. She heads the Tenant's Committee, edits a Tenant Newsletter & hosts the building's Xmas Festival.

Don't mess with my Mrs :(

Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: January 27, 2020, 11:58:57 AM »
Is placing the blame of greater importance than working to end the mindless slaughter?

Consequences / Re: Chinese coronavirus
« on: January 27, 2020, 11:51:01 AM »
The Guardian has another constantly updated blog online.

The 14 days of asymptomatic contagion sources is a game changer in my eyes.
For 2 weeks an infected person attends school, goes to work, takes vacations and interacts with friends and family with no knowledge that he's a danger to anyone. Those he infected have have an additional 2 weeks before they develop symptoms, 2 weeks in which to infect the next generation of carriers.

Is our data 2 weeks behind the curve, or further?

We've difficulties getting enough kits to diagnose those exhibiting symptoms. How will those in their first two weeks of asymptomatic infection be identified and isolated?

Western Nations seem determined to break the quarantine WRT their own nationals. That seems a foolish/ungrateful response to the rather heroic Chinese attempt to internalize the problem, or at the least to provide some time for the rest of the world to prepare.

Stay home & Stay healthy

A few years back I watched as a pair of robins pecked into the snow in a forlorn quest for worms.


Consequences / Re: Effects of Climate Change on the biosphere
« on: January 26, 2020, 05:15:59 PM »


I don't doubt that it's been ongoing since the age of sail, it's just an increase in scale.

I've done enough recreational diving to realize how beautiful the coastal seas can be. I've never been very deep, but I have seen the videos.

I've never been able to shake the vision of a demented rancher tearing up the prairie in a crazed quest for a cow to eat. Damn near sated my lust for BBQed scallops drizzled with butter & a squeeze of lime.

In reality it's no worse than the local pioneers that chopped down forests of Walnut and Maple Trees to allow the planting of potatoes and carrots.

My building felled two aged black walnuts last week. No explanation given. The nuts just went to landfill, but ...

Consequences / Re: Chinese coronavirus
« on: January 26, 2020, 12:41:56 PM »
Thanks Sam
Well researched and well written!

We had our 1st suspected case in Toronto last night, so I opted out of a planed dinner engagement. The patient tested positive, but the result hasn't been confirmed yet?


Consequences / Re: Effects of Climate Change on the biosphere
« on: January 26, 2020, 10:58:09 AM »
Is the ocean floor the last unexploited and undestroyed part of the Earth? For greed and high tech. This is not for food.
An example of food harvesting.
As the scallop dredgers were returning to port in Nova Scotia a local explained the process.

"If every time you wanted a steak you blindly raced out across the range in a bulldozer cutting a few inches of topsoil until you'd bagged your limit of bovines, some might view this as unsustainable. If you do the same when you've a taste for scallops, it's called a commercial success."

And that ongoing process of rampant destruction brings those delicious scallops to a supermarket near you!

Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: January 26, 2020, 10:27:41 AM »
Did you kill them before boiling them?
Sorry Terry, I couldn't resist ;)
At that time the limit was 10/person/day - without a license!

Myself, a friend, 3 borrowed kids & 5 open net traps, with 5 salmon heads for bait.
One run to drop the traps, a return run to haul them in, then back on the trailer & home to cook them before they tore each other apart.

We'd toss the keepers into the garbage can on board the boat, then on land we'd build a fire under the offloaded can and cook em for 5 min. after they stopped "screaming". ???

Similar to the way they trap & steam lobsters in Newfoundland outports.
Brutal perhaps, but effective, efficient and unbelievably tasty 8)

Policy and solutions / Re: But, but, but, China....
« on: January 26, 2020, 02:35:24 AM »
I'd feared it was much more.


Policy and solutions / Re: But, but, but, China....
« on: January 26, 2020, 02:23:34 AM »
Is anyone talking about what effect SRM will have on solar installations?

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: January 25, 2020, 07:09:32 PM »
Discouraging energy use, rather than subsidizing it seems the more sensible option.

If we want 1.50C we apparently need to reduce emissions by 7.6% every damn year starting this month!
We won't get there by providing solar panels to the wealthy, (those that own their own home).


Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: January 25, 2020, 06:28:57 PM »

<snipped some more>

Meanwhile methinks that's a bad idea, at least in my case. :)

That's progress!

Consequences / Re: Chinese coronavirus
« on: January 25, 2020, 06:21:24 PM »

Thanks for the thread!

I've a dear friend whose parents are in Jinan, ~450 miles from the epicenter. I'll be talking to her tonight.
I'm not ready to pack up provisions and head into the bush to wait this thing out, but I am fearful for what this could become.
China is working as well as only the Chinese can, but no one has ever attempted quarantines at anything like this scale.

I've a dinner tonight and expect 20 or 25 to attend. If anyone has the sniffles I'll cut out early without shaking hands.
Stay Healthy

Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: January 25, 2020, 06:06:36 PM »
I think that pollution played a part in their nomadic lifestyle. Pollution, lack of accessible firewood and lack of game are the reasons usually given for indigenous wanderings in North America.

Not surprisingly, they often returned to a site after leaving it fallow for 50 years or more. At one with the land, as long as there was plenty of land & sufficient time for the land to heal itself.


Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: January 25, 2020, 05:46:44 PM »
For a few years I'd harvest 50 each Saturday at Coos Bay Oregon (in season).

We'd cover them with sea water, then boil them in a pristine galvanised "garbage can" we kept on board. We'd break off the shell and hose out the nasties, then eat our fill and bag up the rest.
With a load in the fridge/freezer of the motorhome, I was very well received whenever I dropped in on friend's while heading up or down 101. :)

Happy Times, and good eating.

Consequences / Re: Decline in insect populations
« on: January 25, 2020, 05:19:07 PM »
Are you sure it wasn’t a Viceroy? I almost got fooled by one in my grade school insect collection.

I'd never heard of the "Viceroy", and can't tell the difference from the photos.

In the 50's we had millions of monarchs in the milkweed field just down from our property. I'd clap my hands loudly and they'd darken the sky, the caterpillars were everywhere.

This appeared to be a monarch that was totally exhausted. It alit on my towel to rest which gave me a chance to look it over before it took off. Parts of its wings were missing as if it had been caught out in a bad storm, I doubt that it lasted the day.

It's the only thing I've seen that looked like a monarch since I've been back, but a friend with a farm closer to the lake told me he'd sited plenty last spring.

Perhaps a return?

Consequences / Re: Pathogens and their impacts
« on: January 25, 2020, 04:59:34 PM »
Great Tom!!

Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: January 25, 2020, 12:22:40 PM »
My understanding is that when primitives polluted their environment, they moved.

Consequences / Re: Places becoming less livable
« on: January 25, 2020, 12:17:52 PM »
Please keep the link in your private stash. ::)

Consequences / Re: Pathogens and their impacts
« on: January 25, 2020, 12:13:15 PM »
I linked to an updating news blog about the coronavirus on the China, China, China thread,

This subject probably needs a dedicated thread - especially if it proceeds as expected.

Consequences / Re: Decline in insect populations
« on: January 25, 2020, 12:08:24 PM »
We had a cottage at Lake Erie in the 50's. The screens had to be cleaned twice a season to clear out the dead mayflies. I was alarmed when I went back to the cottage in the early 2,000's and couldn't find a single one, alive or dead.

A friend of mine who makes movies in the North Bay region assures me that they're alive and well in the north. She apparently spends half her day cleaning lenses and shooting around the swarms. :)
The local loss of mayflies is a huge loss of available protein. I hope the predators have been able to follow their prey.

Last summer I spotted a single monarch butterfly at Port Dover. I hope they've found a new flyway.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: January 25, 2020, 11:50:08 AM »
Thanks so much!

Policy and solutions / Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« on: January 25, 2020, 11:48:36 AM »
I'm not sure that I disagree with anything you've written, and some of your examples have a very familiar ring to them.
Those of us that can improvise & put things back together that never had been assembled properly will find more work than we can handle, but repairing machines designed to fail is damn difficult, doesn't pay worth a damn, and scavenging parts that can be cross used takes lots of space.

New installations are done by minimum wage kids that don't know & don't care. Then they're sent back to fix up their screw ups. ::)

Integrated systems installed at the factory shield the manufacturers. A Johnson control valve has all of the safety circuits built in, but it wholesales for twice the retail price of a valve and all of the safety sensors. Robots built the valve, by now they are probably are installed in the system by robots. The grunts simply attach the supply line, the leads to the (installed) breaker box, and run control voltage to the (robotically assembled) T-stat.

When the flame sensor fails, the grunt throws in a new $valve because it's "integrated".
The last dehumidiator I looked at had the control voltage transformer built into the board! The OEM board cost so much that replacing the unit made more sense to the customer. (and myself)

I'm on my 3d window shaker in the 15 seasons I've been up here. The first two failed because the manufacturer hadn't drilled out oiling passages for the blower/fan motor. I drilled one myself and got an additional season even with the metal filings floating in the oil I'd added, by the time the second one failed for the same reason it went straight to landfill, refrigerant & all.

It's still fun to putter about, but I'd hate to rely on making these patches for a living.

We used to manufacture water source heat pumps from angle iron, sheet metal and off the shelf compressors. We wound our heat exchange coils on an antique threading machine & built the beasts custom by hand. Myself, my partner and his teenage kid. Damn efficient machines built to be repairable!

We produced and installed ~1/wk & filled our spare time fixing up other's fuckups, hustling commercial ice machines & installing/repairing walkin coolers/freezers. My partner got old, I got sick, and his kid is now in charge of Steve Wynn's HVAC department. Life was good! We heated swimming pools while cooling homes, warmed an oversized commercial septic tank once, and generally made systems that the "installers' deemed impossible.

I think those days are gone.

Robots on the factory floor kick out a thousand units/day, and the "installers"/salesmen take a two semester course at night school that hopefully keeps them from burning the customers building down. Thread in some pre-charged lines and sell it as the latest model, its Green and it will Save You Money!!

Bah Humbug!

Good link - Thanks!

The scum is heavy on our Canadian shores.
It's as bad as what we used to see in Lake Mead Nevada, and the fish there all turned into females at one point!

I wonder if this is somehow related to the lowering testosterone levels recorded in NA males?

Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: January 25, 2020, 04:44:24 AM »
Re: nerve gas

Seek medical help.


Damn good advice!
I inhaled a huge quantity of R-12 that had passed through an Oxy-Acetylene flame. The phosgene, a WW1 nerve gas, left me unable to scale a ladder for >a week.
The doctors couldn't do much about it, but they did make me very conscious of the danger the next times I was welding R-12 systems.

It's not impossible that it is responsible for my present problems, though the doctors think not.

Stay Healthy

Is the DNC's Primary something to be won, or does it represent something one is appointed, or annointed to?

We may soon find out.

The rest / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: January 25, 2020, 03:55:19 AM »
Empire moves to muzzle media: First amendment does not apply to non US citizens

"Julian Assange has no First Amendment freedoms"


But American Laws apply to Everyone!

The rest / Re: Economic Inequality
« on: January 25, 2020, 03:52:17 AM »
Research shows cops picking on non white people: Cops shut down research


If thy right eye offend thee ...
Damn near a Biblical response!
God, Guns & Bubba

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: January 25, 2020, 03:08:35 AM »
With all that you've done to date how are you ever going to be able to lower your footprint by 7.6 percent each year for the next decade? ::)

Policy and solutions / Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« on: January 25, 2020, 03:02:15 AM »
Re: What 1st world job can't be done better and more efficiently by the robots/AI

Plumbing. HVAC. House renovation.


You chose the 3 jobs that I spent far too much of my life working in.

Plumbing's been reduced to gluing plastic pieces together. Knowing which plastic pieces go where is in the realm of residential, or commercial space AI designers. Grunts with a glue bottle will be around for a while.

Many of the more recently marketed "window shaker" ACs & Heat Pumps are designed to be plugged in, then landfilled rather than repaired. A robot can take it to the dump when it's time is done. Larger systems can't be far behind.

Renovation for sale or rent has become more more standardized just as living spaces have been reduced in individuality. 3 bedrooms, 2 baths and a family room. A tree in the front yard and a gated entrance to the rear. Clean it, paint it beige and call the realtor - its been renovated!

We've been taught that less is more - more "modern". That the neighbors dark coloured fake shutters create visual diversity in an otherwise identical row of McMansions, some are the mirror image of the others - how innovative!

Grunts will find work until someone decides it's easier to design a throw away replacement. Easier and more profitable!

The rulers are in ultimate control of the robots.

Finance today requires assets, a connection to the world, and a program that tells you which button to press and when to press it. - You take fliers at your own peril! Too many fliers and your assets move to other folders as your financial firm folds.

Administration requires people to order about. No people to do your bidding, no administrator. When your "crew" gets charged up by the Watt/hour instead of by your rousing pep talk, you've lost your administrative position. You're unneeded, unwanted, redundant and soon unemployed. Mid-level management only works when lower levels need to be managed. Upper level management then drops to mid-level management before following them to the unemployment office.

The grunts will exist longer than those ordering them about. The "thinking" jobs go first because their the easiest to replace with a "thinking" machine.

"TOP"-Assignment-"Build a shed to protect these pieces under these conditions".
"A"- Hire design team, order material, assemble shed, deliver shed, return to "A"
"B"- Scan designs, order (appropriate) shed delivered to site, return to "TOP"

"B" can be accomplished before "A" can complete its first task. "B" requires no administrators, foremen, factory or transportation. Even a secretary is redundant.
"B" is the future. "A" is so 20th century.

By the way, when the order is received by the ShedShop Comptroller, modification "x" is initiated prior to the order being executed by the SHEDMACH & the DELIVBOT is fed the address.

Coming soon to a manufacturing hub near you.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: January 25, 2020, 12:12:49 AM »

If the Swedish Government (along with the rest of the world including the recalcitrant US of A) does "what it promised in Paris", the UNEP estimates a rise to 3.2 C0 this century.
Jim Hansen called the Paris talks "fraud, with no action, just promises".

We need emission cuts of 7.6% per year from 2020 to 2030 to hold global temperatures to 1.5CO. Will you eschew heating your home this winter?, perhaps pledging to never use the AC next summer would be easier.

If we all walked or rode a bike for the next decade that would help. We wouldn't meet the target, but if everyone did it we'd be closer.

Relying on the magic of negative emissions is much easier, even if not more effective, but it is certainly easier than cutting our personal carbon footprint 7.6% each and every year for the coming decade. Prayer is also easier, and probably just as effective as waiting for negative emissions to rapture us away from the consequences of our unholy reliance on fossil fuel.
Hallelujah, pass the hopeum.

In centuries past great minds contemplated the numbers of angels that could dance on the head of a pin. Today we recognize that angels are a-sexual creatures with no interest in choreography, or needles. We struggle to understand the negative mass that negative emissions must surely possess, always assured that in the near future negative emissions will sweep the CO2 from our heavens as efficiently as our Roomba sweeps feline dander from our pristine parquet.

1.5C0 is a levitating pile of Unobtainium marketed by charlatans that would make David Copperfield blush.

Policy and solutions / Re: Robots and AI: Our Immortality or Extinction
« on: January 24, 2020, 09:49:22 PM »
"Living" Robots!

Manufactured from skin cell and heart cells, our friends at DARPA have invented non living creatures that are dying to carry out their every wish. 8)

Frog embryos are providing the tissue for the first announced mini bots that will soon be able to enter veins and deliver whatever drugs are called for to just the right location.
They're advertised as self healing & apparently leave little evidence of having been deployed as they simply rot when their energy source is depleted.

Possibly of use to fight cancer, I imagine that DARPA had other conflicts in mind when they funded this research.

And - there are plenty of other sites harolding this breakthrough by the MIC.

Even in his darkest dystopian nightmares Huxley never imagined our interactions with such mindless living entities.

Sleep Well :(

The rest / Re: Unsorted
« on: January 24, 2020, 09:01:58 PM »
We certainly employed measles infected blankets in the genocide proudly remembered as "Manifest Destiny".

Suddenly Thermal Nuclear Warfare has lost its horror.

The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: January 24, 2020, 08:20:16 PM »
I spent hours on a response, then lost it in the wilds of the interweb. There really wasn't much in it of substance in it.

Have a Great Day!

The rest / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: January 24, 2020, 04:44:21 PM »
Money is fungible & liquid. It's a symbol, a metric with no intrinsic worth. Why are we discussing comic book depictions of wealth in a Journalism Thread?

The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: January 23, 2020, 05:13:36 PM »
I left that out on purpose kassy.
Gizeh? What a monstrosity of a memorial to Insanity and Suffering. Equality? Freedom? Rights? Humanist?
Almost all hierarchies are bad in my understanding.

Without some form of hierarchy we're left with anarchy.
Is anarchy a preferable choice in a crowded, armed world?

"All Animals are Equal - but some are More Equal"
Was that Orwell, or a Lion King?


The rest / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: January 23, 2020, 05:00:19 PM »
Thanks for the link sidd.

This marks the first time in a long time that I've disagreed with Chomsky on a major issue.
I don't find Trump quite as evil as N.C. does, and I find his "lesser evil" to be a far more dangerous choice than he.

Trump is a horrible President, but N.C. considers that another term will cause our extinction as a species. He bases this on AGW and the money Trump has handed out to the MIC. Both valid concerns, but not in my opinion necessarily terminal, or rather not terminal because of the differences in policy between another 4 years of Trump vs 4 years under a Biden Presidency.

The "lesser evil" candidate could be Biden, or one of the other Corporate Democrats. N.C. believes that this evil can be moderated by pressure from the electorate. I disagree. I don't believe that Corporate Democrats are susceptible to any influence except for the influence of their donors, or prospective donors. Would Biden veto MIC handouts, would he defuse the military tensions anywhere? Will Corp-Dems go after Big Oil, or do anything meaningful to meet the Paris Accord targets?

I find disagreeing with Chomsky daunting, & I'm hoping he expands on his reasoning.

Bernie, hopefully with Tulsi as a running mate, or a pox on both Parties.

“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."- Frederick Douglass

From one of the comments at the linked article, but it expresses my thoughts when contemplating a President hand picked by Pelosi and the oligarchs who have hijacked the party I'd supported since LBJ's departure.

The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: January 23, 2020, 02:40:52 PM »

Science / Re: 2019 CO2 emissions
« on: January 23, 2020, 02:07:37 PM »
So, 7 years and 8 months from now we'll instantly halt emissions and simultaneously quickly capture enough CO2 to counter the loss of aerosols.   ... And then still suffer the consequences of the AGW caused by the 1.5C rise.

It's been a while since I heard "350 or bust".  I guess we're more interested in "bust."
And this appears to be a "bust" of truly Partonesque proportions! ::)

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