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Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: April 01, 2020, 08:40:52 PM »
Everything became chaotic due to CV19.
Those with the best paid lobbyists will make the rules and decide who receives bailouts paid for primarily with dollars backed by the myth that the US will somehow at sometime repay its debt.

I don't imagine that those that have invested so heavily in politicians have our interests in mind. I fear that the Pre-Pandemic Era will be remembered as "The Good Old Days". An era when we somehow believed that those in power cared about our needs, our demands.

Best of luck to all, but I can't imagine this working out well for anyone not presently near the very apex of the elite.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 31, 2020, 03:39:34 PM »
My guardian planned to come here today but a person in his county was arrested for driving without grave cause, so I am on my own.
I am glad I have loads of rice...I think food shortages might be next.

Discouraging others from getting out and about is probably as important as staying inside yourself. I'm glad that at least one county in the States is apparently taking this seriously. :)

I don't know why you have a guardian, but I'm sure the last thing you want to be responsible for is your guardian or his family becoming infected.

Stay Isolated - Stay Healthy

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 31, 2020, 03:28:54 PM »
I've a dear friend that can't bear isolation, and she's afraid of being seen wearing a mask as she's of Chinese ethnicity and she's living in Florida.

She has no car, no money problems, is a very recent immigrant, and is the last person in the world that I'd expected to have such a problem with isolation or the fear of an attack.

I just recently found out about the paranoia side of things, but I've tried every approach I can think of to keep her indoors, or at least masked up.

Any suggestions or 1st hand experiences would be very much appreciated.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 30, 2020, 04:34:13 AM »
Church in the age of COVID-19.  ;)

Race Your Engine
We need more communal wine

Honk in time with flashers
When's the intermission?

The FSM welcomes Automated Automotive Adoration!

The rest / Re: Masks
« on: March 30, 2020, 03:56:53 AM »
It's changing all over.
Have you secured a few reusable masks for yourself and your family?
Just the sight of one being worn will keep others at bay.

I fear this will get much worse before it gets any better.
I've noticed that the Canadian Government has been buying plenty of commercials on TV - The advice they offered is good.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 30, 2020, 03:31:34 AM »
Onward Christian Soldiers??

There is only one God that deserves your fealty, our worship, your devotion and your contributions.

May his noodly appendages slowly bring you to rapture.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 29, 2020, 06:33:26 PM »
Why in the hell would anyone ask Elon about the spread of CV19?

I'm willing to accept that he's simply uninformed or misinformed. If he isn't and he's been fighting to keep his enterprizes busy anyway, then he's a very evil person.

EDIT] my remarks were a response to Archi's post.

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: March 29, 2020, 06:26:43 PM »
Do we know what % of middle aged Dutch are overweight?



With Xi and Putin wearing white surgical masks as well as white hats, it may be difficult for Trump to keep his sanctions in place. Europe may discover that inexpensive Russian gas burns every bit as clean as the expensive American LNG. This could hurt Trump with his base come November and might make the world a safer place if the Democrats can control the mighty MIC. :)

People will have long memories of those who rode through the night to rescue them, and their memories of those who forced the rescuers to make a long detour could last even longer.

Poland has done itself no favors.

Policy and solutions / Re: But, but, but, China....
« on: March 29, 2020, 09:49:29 AM »
As the Wuhan quarantine is being lifted the first train left the Wuhan Station yesterday carrying medical supplies and construction material for Europe.

First train with medical supplies for Europe leaves Wuhan as China eases Covid-19 lockdown
It will arrive in Germany with its precious cargo in 2 weeks. This will be the first China-Eu. freight train since service was cut in January.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 28, 2020, 11:18:25 AM »
No need for thanks.
It is what it is.

I'm taken aback that California hasn't been able to do more WRT isolating & encouraging mask use. California is one of the most progressive States, and is known for its health conscious lifestyle.

Here in Ontario our feckless elected leader often makes Trump seem reasonable, yet he's enacted some rules that will ease the strain on our government owned hospitals & will save the lives and health of many. It won't work perfectly, in fact it probably won't work particularly well unless or until even more businesses are shuttered and many of the loopholes are tightly plugged.

It is however an effort to deal with this novel situation.
The Chinese have proven that these methods can work, and that if they're put in place early enough the virus never gets a chance to do too much damage.
Check the stats from Shandong, the second most populous province in China and close to Hubei, the epicenter of CV19 in China.
Today they have 7 deaths and 752 recovered out of a population of close to 1 Billion.
Are these figures exact? Probably not - on the other hand even if they were under reported by an order of magnitude they'd still be damn impressive.

The subways are again opening up in Wuhan. Life and financial life is returning. - already!

We're not being asked to take up arms against an invading hoard. We're asked to stay home and look after ourselves. We're asked to not overwhelm our local health services. We can do this.

Stay Vigilant. Stay Isolated. Stay in Touch.
And Best of Luck - Because luck will play a huge part in how and if we survive this.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: March 28, 2020, 09:00:00 AM »
I think I get the concept.

For my part I'm a vegetarian, once removed.
The rabbit nibbles rabbit food
I in turn eat rabbit stew
And we all get the veggies we require. 8)
Terry ::)

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: March 28, 2020, 03:57:17 AM »

NeilSorry that I misinterpreted your earlier post.
The facts apparently are not as they seemed.

One of our Governmental missives said that wherever you slept the night before was where you were to remain until the crisis has passed.

Rough for some, but best for the majority.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 28, 2020, 03:44:35 AM »

I'm at a loss when you write of the prejudice on this forum.
I've noted a few anti-Chinese, anti-Russian zealots that take unnecessary crude shots at cultures they know little or nothing about. Usually I or others try to take a swipe, then let it pass.

There is no prejudice in Bruce or his writing.

What else is there to say.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: March 28, 2020, 12:53:47 AM »
Your seeds are fed a more nutritious diet than I. :-\

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 28, 2020, 12:29:45 AM »
That's terrible news that you're reporting from Fresno.

Get back home and slam the gate behind you!
What's happening today in Italy and NYC will happen soon in Los Angeles, San Francisco & apparently Fresno.

I expected so much more from California.
Is CalTrans at least providing protective garments for their work crews? Those guys are going to be filling a lot of hospital beds. Beds that nurses, cashiers, drivers and other heros of these times might yet need.

The "Macho" mindset so prevalent in California is going to be the cause of much suffering. It's the meek that will win this round.

Toyota is ahead of the curve and has extended it's proactive plant closures that have been in place across all North America. Hopefully their (healthy) employees will be rested and ready when it's again safe to build great cars and mingle with the public.

Hope you got a good price for your precious porcine protein. ::)
Get Isolated, Stay Isolated & Stay in Touch.

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: March 27, 2020, 11:30:18 PM »

His papers have expired, he's broken quarantine or whatever safeguards that more than one country had put in place, and you're now responsible for transporting him halfway around the world.

If it should turn out that he's an asymptomatic carrier responsible for outbreaks in possibly 3 countries, what should his punishment be? What if there are multiple deaths following in his path?

Do you share criminal responsibility, and if not why not. Laws were evidently broken, some before he enlisted your aid and some under your direction.

Should he - and yourself be civilly responsible for any harm he may have caused? What's the life of a Jet Pilot worth - how about the life of an Argentinian Peon?

I understand your motivation and might have done the same, though I certainly wouldn't admit my culpability on the internet.
I hope of course that he's well and has never been responsible for anyone catching as much as a mild case of the sniffles. I also dare hope that before some other doting father contemplates "rescuing" a loved one, that he considers the damage that his compassionate act might cause.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 27, 2020, 09:39:53 AM »
You've a job, you're insured & all's right with the world.

That's like the ultimate leverage for the employee. A perfect measure to enslave people...

That's nothing.
Wait till you've fathered a lil' darling with a congenital condition that will never be covered by another insurance policy because it's a "prior condition".

Your wages may shrink as your workload increases, but your policy keeps your butt in your chair.
It's only indentured servitude until your baby grows up and marrys some slob who can live with her congenital halitosis. ???

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 27, 2020, 09:06:58 AM »
as millions get laid off in the USA , their medical insurance becomes history too .. that will really help the situation ... b.c.
That's the most terrifying thing financially in the States.
You've a job, you're insured & all's right with the world.
You get sick and can't work. You lose your job, your insurance goes & all your assets follow.
You recover or you die - but your spouse is homeless & her insurance ended with yours.
Hopefully she hasn't caught the bug that brought you down.

And most people are advised to avoid stress.

Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: March 27, 2020, 08:31:11 AM »
nanning, when you mention 2050 being "Too far away in the future" I'm reminded of kassey's insistence that CV19 will pass, for most of us, but AGW is something we and all of our children will be forced to deal with.

The way I've been looking at it is that the most immediate problem is war - global nuclear war in particular.
I feel that if we let this one get away from us nothing else matters - nothing can take president!

Now we're faced with CV19. The threat of a devastating pandemic has always been there, but it had slid so far down on my list of possibilities that I ignored it.
After scanning past pandemics, specifically the Black Death (yersinia pestis bacteria) I found that it killed far more than I'd been aware of, and it kept coming back for hundreds of years.
Religion changed, government changed, we changed and the world changed because of Black Death.

The Novel Coronavirus isn't The Black Death. The problem is that it is a novel virus and no one knows just what it is or what it could become.

How "far away in the future" will 2030 be if this returns annually and disrupts the world the way it has this year?
What plans for the future will be initiated. How many of them will be completed.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 27, 2020, 05:52:39 AM »

No down side. I am now having to advise friends who have tested positive and who are running 102.5F fevers to bloody well get to the hospital.

There are vastly more people symptomatic in the US than the confirmed numbers show. The US is in the deep end of the muck. Trump brought the swamp to DC with him, and his swamp creatures are killing us.

It was the numbers coming out of NYC that shattered whatever preconceptions I'd had.
I hate to admit it but I don't remember where you're from. The perspective from a state which is locked down is probably very different than the view from an open state that hasn't taken much of a hit yet.

When I hear of Musk making great progress here or there I'm forced to remember that he'd be jailed here for the same actions. I don't expect much from Florida, Texas or Nevada - but California should be standing up, shutting him down, and fining him for every minute that he's putting people's lives in danger.
He's a multiheaded Typhoid Mary.

My friends locked up their shops because it was the right thing to do, and because they'd be in big trouble if they didn't. Pandemic Profiteer has a nice ring to it & it is alliterative.

If the US and Europe hope to survive this more or less intact they need to enforce national laws that can break the back of this, or similar diseases. One scofflaw that breaks ranks can ruin a multi Billion dollar quarantine.
The Americans have RICO Laws in place and a frankly terrifying history of asset seizure. I'm unsure if Europe or German law has anything similar.

Stay Isolated. Stay angry at those who negate your efforts.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 27, 2020, 02:38:26 AM »

If you should overstate the danger that CV19 presents, then more people might choose to self isolate, avoid risks to themselves and others, and possibly lead longer, healthier lives.

What's the downside?

Perhaps the generations that grew up on Horror Flicks where crowds ran screaming from Godzilla, or where elderly alcoholics sped their motorhomes recklessly across Pahrumpian Deserts to escape emaciated Martian Marauders, now believe that the great unwashed will inevitably, and foolishly panic when faced with sobering news.

Politicians have come to fear that any 'leader' projecting a less than rosy outcome will lose his or her favoured position at the trough. Sycophants posing as "experts" repeat the party line lie so often that it's common knowledge that the millions of once projected dead have been transmuted into millions of asymptomatic, possibly infected, but nonetheless unaffected, workers. All eagerly chomping at the bit for the opportunity to return to the treadmill just in time for their Easter Holiday Vacation, and the Traditional Easter Dinners where relatives gather together in mass and give thanks to the Wise Incumbents who lead them so successfully during these trying times.


The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: March 26, 2020, 11:21:38 AM »
Why are you down on delivered/take out food. It's the only chance many of the restaurants have of avoiding bankruptcy.
We've been ordering from 2 restaurants we used to patronise They're small family places that may fold anyway, but at the moment delivery is their only lifeline.

Otherwise I'm in complete agreement with your expressed sentiments.

Stay Healthy

Glad the powerwall is proving it's worth.
Just a guess, but I'd imagine that restaurants will be among the first enterprises to recover once this has run its course.
Food delivery services are doing well presently & they must need supplies. It seems possible that their usual providers might be having difficulty.

Stay Healthy & Enjoy the Chicks ;)

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 26, 2020, 10:52:01 AM »
The involuntary DNR Do Not Resuscitate posts were interesting.
As a mid 70s male with ongoing breathing problems I'll make sure to sign a DNR before I'm hauled off.
I'd done so in the past and survived. This time it might save my bed and ventilator for someone more likely to benefit.

When adding up the possible death counts, those unable to receive life saving interventions unrelated to CV19 need to be taken into account.
I've one friend already who isn't having her cancer treated as rapidly as would have been the case if the pandemic wasn't at our door.

Wikipedia has decent articles on the Black Death & The Black Death in England that speculate on the effect on politics, religion and the economy.

Stay Isolated. Stay in Touch

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: March 26, 2020, 10:07:44 AM »

"Having some company will be worth the risk."
Bruce - I hope it doesn't come to that.

I was kept in isolation for 10 days in a Californian penal camp once and it was mind breaking.
Spending weeks at home with my sweety and my toys ain't too bad.

Don't risk your health - please.
Having a connection with you, and others on this forum makes self isolating so much easier.

Sorry if I'm sounding like some sort of frigging ass, but I don't want a dirge in Bruce's Memory to be posted on the damn good music thread.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 26, 2020, 12:52:39 AM »
We've been lucky in the past & may get lucky this time around.
All we can and should do as individuals is stay at home.

We're not being asked to defend Stalingrad, just to sit quietly at home.

Group meetings of 3 or more have been banned at McMasters University. A wise edict that precludes group activities of any kind.

Stay out of the Streets! Stay in Isolation. Stay in Touch.


Thank you. I have been in total isolation for two weeks. I am planning a minimum of 12 more and can easily stay isolated for 40 weeks. My many friends are not so fortunate. Many are still having to work. Many are now out of work and do not know how they will survive financially. Safety for me is not my concern. My decades of experience will protect me. My worry is for the safety, health, and welfare of others, not just in my community and nation, but in the world. Alas, the world does not want to be helped. Neither apparently does my nation.

I think we both worry more for the plight of others than any discomfort that may fall our way.
I'm in my 2nd day of isolation after a 21 day isolation prior to a short jaunt outside with mask and gloves.
I suppose I could continue on indefinitely as long as water, power, and food are provided. We've a fairly stable safety net in Ontario and I don't imagine that any will fall through for lack of available funds.
I believe that rent and utilities will not need to be paid until sometime after the crisis, but that's not written in stone.

AFAIK no one I know personally is working. If they were I'd advise them to stop if their work isn't essential. My friend in Florida is teaching her classes from home on the internet & she is having a difficult time living without friends to interact with. She's only been in the States since the semester began and knows no one. She ate out once last week.
Another here in Ontario recently tested positive for breast cancer and now her treatment can't begin until the worst of this has past. She seems to be taking it in stride.

Our first duty to family and friends is to stay healthy, otherwise we're a burden to everyone and everything. My hope is that I'll be able to help a little once the worst has past.

Stay Isolated
We need your input

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 25, 2020, 11:36:13 PM »
We've been lucky in the past & may get lucky this time around.
All we can and should do as individuals is stay at home.

We're not being asked to defend Stalingrad, just to sit quietly at home.

Group meetings of 3 or more have been banned at McMasters University. A wise edict that precludes group activities of any kind.

Stay out of the Streets! Stay in Isolation. Stay in Touch.

Food insecurity may be closer than many believe.

In SW Ontario the wife has been ordering food online, making an appointment to pick it up, then phoning from their parking lot to have it delivered to her car.
Since today's lockdown the BB store has asked all to wait for confirmation before attempting a pickup.
Our order from 3 days ago was to have been ready for pickup today @1:00 PM - it's now 6PM and they still aren't ready. I suspect some minor glitch as they inaugurate their new system. If they should fail there are many other options open & we've plenty to sustain us for at least 10 days.

I don't imagine that this is anything but a minor glitch at a single store, but it does emphasize how dependent many of us are on a long chain of just in time deliveries.

Great thread Bruce, even for those of us unable or unwilling to make even minor adjustments.

OT - Vacuum packed dried mushrooms will store for a very long time & take nothing more than warm water to rehydrate. - cheap, tasty, compact and damn nutritious.

EDIT] - 7:10 PM
Store just E-Mailed to confirm that our pick-up is ready to go. Some items are not available but most is as ordered.
I won't continue unless a problem occurs.

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: March 25, 2020, 10:37:25 PM »
Will organized religion see a resurgence in the time of CO19, or will religionists be seen as charlitans when they and their followers show no particular resistance to the virus?

This could be an important result no matter the outcome.

The rest / Re: SpaceX
« on: March 25, 2020, 08:52:35 PM »
Schiess said military officials are working with dozens of contractors required to support range operations. If Florida’s government issues a stay-at-home order — as other states have done — range employees with a federal badge should still be able to travel and from work, he said. <snipped>
Badges - We don' need no steenkin' Badges
Said no one in particular ::)


Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 25, 2020, 01:15:00 AM »
Quick update here since many of you were very helpful and caring earlier - I have thankfully been given paid administrative leave for 2 weeks starting tomorrow after work (also due to Inslee's order). So now I will perform social distancing to my best abilities.
Wonderful news!!

Use the two weeks wisely by curling up with a favorite book, binge watching your favorite series, or painting landscapes from old photos. It doesn't really matter what you do as long as it's done from your residence.

You got a reprieve!
Don't waste it.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 11:54:51 PM »
My previous information that Ontario would be shut down Wed. night was wrong.

Ontario and Quebec will lockdown for at least 14 days beginning tonight at midnight.
The excluded will be pharmacies, gas stations, grocery stores, and liquor stores - other exceptions will be posted.

Sorry if my disinformation caused problems, I was listening to the radio & misheard what was said.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 11:46:00 PM »

Do you have links to back this up? Mind you, not anecdotes.

This was my source re. Italy


Policy and solutions / Re: But, but, but, China....
« on: March 24, 2020, 11:31:08 PM »
Sounds reasonable.

Lots of changes will be seen as much of the world's industry and transportation grinds to a halt.

Stay Well

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 11:17:36 PM »
Self isolated for 21 days + 1 day after <1hr out masked & gloved.

Yesterday's unusual snow has melted away.
Very little traffic today though pharmacies, food and gas stations remain open.
Schools remain closed. No signs of kids roaming the streets.
Cooked yesterday's mask for 1 hr. @ 170F to sanitize - at some time will do the same to those still hanging on the line.
Garbage is being collected.
An enforced lockdown is set to begin tomorrow night. - At least one source says the lockdown will start tonight at midnight?
Tomorrow morning's farmer's market is still on, I think. I can see the lot from here and will report.
Big Box grocery stores will fill orders and deliver to your car in their parking lot using phoned in credit card numbers for payment.
Pharmacy deliveries no longer require signatures, they ring at the door, drop the package, then wait down the hall to make sure the delivery was received.
No shortages of masks, gloves, goggles or hazmat suits experienced of expected in Ontario.
Can't tell if masks are being used from my perch - very few on the street in any case.
The US/Canadian border is closed.

Ventilators may become a problem even though Ontario had built up a stockpile after the SARS epidemic in 2003. American manufacturers have not filled orders from Canada, so I'm hoping that our earlier gift of ventilators to China will reap rewards. We apparently have enough to tide us over for another 2 weeks.
Time required once ventilation begins is between 2 and 3 weeks.

Anyone working at necessary jobs deserves our thanks and generous tips. - They are the heros!

Stay Home, Stay Healthy, Stay in Touch.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 10:16:09 PM »
400k+ world wide
50k+ USA - ~1/8 of WW cases
25k+ in New York - ~1/2 of USA cases

Northern Italy was refusing ventilators to anyone over 60 2 days ago
How long before NYC refuses necessary aid to anyone over 60, over 55, over 50?

Stay the Fuck Home!

Science / Re: Trends in Atmospheric N2O
« on: March 24, 2020, 07:00:30 PM »

Perhaps as condition for reopening after CV19 has run its course, a pollution solution might be integrated into any available loan or grant package.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 06:14:52 AM »
The US is now  #1 according to

New York State now has more confirmed cases than Iran

Los Angeles, Alameda and Santa Clara lead in California - did you understand that much Mr. Musk?

Will the US finally take some needed steps to save her recalcerent population from the schemers and scammers who insist on continuing BAU?

Put off your planned road trip. Please don't tempt fate.
Isolate and save what you can without putting yourself and your loved ones at risk.

No one knows what next year will bring, and if you die this year you'll never find out. ::)

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 04:43:34 AM »

I wasn't inferring anything other than praise to you for pointing out the risks we face.

People are not running into the streets in panic. They deserve to know the truth no matter how ugly it may seem.

50 years ago doctors would hide the facts from terminal patients. I once had a doctor who couldn't bear to tell me I had cancer. I eventually straightened him out, but I fear that many of those with microphones are hesitant for fear of being accused of inciting a panic.

I was just sent this URL, and agree with the major points.

Baking your masks for an hour at 70C to sanitize them was new to me.

Stay Isolated, Stay Healthy, Stay in Touch


Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 24, 2020, 04:20:32 AM »
Crisis Profiteers are seldom well thought of once the crisis has past. I know that war profiteers faced a backlash in Canada that lasted well into the 1950s.

Any relying on the good will of the populace, or the voters, may find it easier to go into hiding than face the wrath of their neighbors - especially if those neighbors have lost a loved one.


Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 02:22:59 AM »
It puts a lie to the theory that all is well after 9 days, and that 14 day quarantines are maximally effective.

Policy and solutions / Re: Oil and Gas Issues
« on: March 24, 2020, 02:17:13 AM »
Natural Gas closed at $ 1.60 million btu.

US Oil / Gas Patch another step forward to DOOM.
Burn Baby Burn
Otherwise it will all escape into the atmosphere. Use it or lose it to Global Warming!

As an aside.
How many young guys do we have that know how to operate all of the generating stations in these perilous times.

Frankly how many bright kids have been studying Nuclear Energy Management over the last few decades? Has it seemed like a field that a person could grow old in?

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 01:57:20 AM »
Your prognostications are particularly alarming, yet they also seem particularly probable. :P


I hope like all hell that you were one of the very early cases & that you've developed an immunity that will last your (natural) lifetime.
Acting as if this is true could sign your, and your families death warrant.

Stay Isolated, Stay Calm, Stay in Touch.

You might have won the lottery, and you may never find out that you have won, if it happens to be true.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 23, 2020, 08:53:15 PM »
Returned from my run with at least 2 months of vaping assured!

Vicks Vapo-Rub and Mentholatum used to be smeared under kids noses with the idea that it would trap the evil germs before they made it as far as the nasal passages - What the hell Bruce, we could do worse. 8)

The Ontario Premier was on the radio & I'll pass along some of what he was saying:

Masks, googles, and hazmat suits are not a problem for Ontario's healthcare system & won't become a problem going forward. The US halted all sales to us but Ontario manufacturers have filled the gap.

Most businesses will be locked down Wed night with very few exceptions.
Stay at home orders may be rigidly enforced depending on the public response.
Drivers licences, auto plate stickers, and health cards don't need to be renewed.

What I noticed on my first trip out of the house for >3 weeks:

I saw no one in the building coming or going.
Traffic was very light.
Snow Plows are running in the recent flurry.
Schools have been and will remain shut.
Babcock Wilcox was open with ~25% of the parking lot being full.
The large mall with theaters, a hockey rink and many stores and restaurants & retailers was closed tight.
Service stations and car dealerships were open, used car lots were closed.
Buses were running with very few riders.
<5% were wearing masks.
No businesses appeared open on Main St. still a retail hub in normal times.

Carole's laundry service just called to say that they've been forced to close Wed. Night. Carole hasn't done a load of laundry since we've been married. Hope she remembers how. :(

Our Premier is one of the infamous Ford Brothers, so his words don't necessarily carry a lot of weight.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 23, 2020, 06:14:06 PM »
Our schools are closed and many businesses are locked up. I'm about to mask and glove up and set off in search of vaping paraphernalia.

I'll report what I've seen.

Terry - first time out of the apartment since the 1st.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 23, 2020, 06:10:13 PM »
Up thread it was mentioned that a number of professional athletes had tested positive. These guys are young and were in good health.

Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 23, 2020, 06:05:01 PM »
The owner of the gym that Carole attended has announced it's closing.

A second generation Portuguese/Canadian, the young owner attained masters in sports therapy & something else related to the business. His direct family had invested heavily in the enterprise together with other relatives and friends.

He'd been doing well & had purchased a large building that he and family members had refurbished with 2 open exercise rooms and a number of private therapy rooms, the results were impressive & all of the investors were content to "let it ride".

Possibly the next generation will catch a break.

Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: March 23, 2020, 05:22:58 PM »
I haven't liked the guy since he tried to stiff the old man who designed the farting unicorn, but this grandstanding is over the top.

Hoping that everyone remembers when the Corona Hatchbacks are available in their neighborhoods.
Hoping that Germany gets a good look at their latest deforestation poster child.

In truth I suppose I should be thankful for the distraction. :P
Just watched the video and it's wonderful!
I'm sending a copy to my favorite VW salesman.

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