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The rest / Re: Global Sea Ice Extent According to NSIDC
« on: September 23, 2017, 12:40:36 AM »
Jeez you make nasty guesses!

 I hope we break away from last years path and head back to something not quite as scary. By the end of next month we should have some idea of whether last year was an aberration or the beginning of a whole new global ice regime.

I swing over to Wipneus's charts my get my daily horror fix, but I'd be happy to discover that all had reverted to those halcyon days of 2012, when we didn't worry about the global effects of ice loss, and the resulting changes in albedo.


Consequences / Re: Why nuclear weapons should no longer be tested.
« on: September 23, 2017, 12:16:26 AM »
Bad, Bad, Bad.

If we can Ban the Bomb, can we Pan the Pun?


Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: September 23, 2017, 12:10:16 AM »
U.S. International Trade Commission Finds Against Imported Solar Panels!

"A federal trade panel declared Friday that surging imports of solar panels have hurt U.S. manufacturers — a decision that will allow President Donald Trump to penalize Chinese companies but could also choke off the fast-growing green energy industry in the U.S."

This will be in addition to earlier tariffs levied on Chinese manufactured solar panels & applies to all imported panels.

What the suit asked for is a 40% tariff, with a minimum price of $0.78/Watt. The rest of the world apparently now pays $0.32/Watt.

America seems determined to hog the slow lane when it comes to renewables, and it's hard to imagine American manufacturing rebounding when they're forced to pay more than twice what the competition spends for their solar.
What effect will this have on Musk's plans?


Consequences / Re: Hurricane season 2017
« on: September 21, 2017, 10:55:37 AM »
On topic I believe sidd
As the storms pass the financial picture will grow to be the more important story.

Wrote a bunch more - but it really did drift far from the topic.

The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: September 21, 2017, 10:19:27 AM »
Although the legislative removal by an impeachment procedure would have lacked the number of votes required by Ukraine's constitution,

Interesting. What IS the number of votes required by Ukraine's constitution for removal by impeachment procedure ?

No idea, apparently at the time of the removal they " .... lacked the number of votes required by Ukraine's constitution." - That's according to the source that you quoted from.

Apparently it's Article 11 of the Ukraine Constitution that required a 75% vote of all of parliament to remove, (impeach) a president.


The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: September 21, 2017, 08:25:54 AM »
For anyone who slept through the coup it's a great synopses from a French perspective.

Terry, it baffles me why you continue to call the ousting of Yanukovich a coup ?
He was impeached and democratically removed from power :
On 22 February 2014, 328 of 447 members of the Ukrainian parliament (MPs)—or about 73% of the MPs—voted to "remove Viktor Yanukovych from the post of president of Ukraine" on the grounds that he was unable to fulfill his duties[15] and to hold early presidential elections on 25 May

He was even denounced by his OWN party (Party of Regions) :

Yanukovych was disowned by the Party of Regions. In a statement issued by Oleksandr Yefremov, parliamentary faction leader, the party and its members "strongly condemn[ed] the criminal orders that led to human victims, an empty state treasury, huge debts, shame before the eyes of the Ukrainian people and the entire world."

I don't understand that reasonable, intelligent people call that a coup.

For what it's worth, it's not just Terry; a handful of close conservative friends of mine have been using the term "attempted coup" to describe the Mueller investigation, and have promised they'd respond to any Trump impeachment or resignation with the retaliatory force such an "illicit overthrow" would deserve. IOW: I suppose to some, a coup is in the eyes of the beholder. :\

The bolded above:

It's not just Terry who claims that Yanukovych was not removed by impeachment, or by any constitutional process, it happens to be that the Wiki quoted above lays this out quite clearly when the full paragraph is read, rather than just cutting, sorting, then pasting it back together.

"On 22 February, the Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove him from his post, on the grounds that he was unable to fulfill his duties. Although the legislative removal by an impeachment procedure would have lacked the number of votes required by Ukraine's constitution,[16] the resolution did not follow the impeachment procedure but instead established that Yanukovych "withdrew from his duties in an unconstitutional manner" and citing "circumstances of extreme urgency",[17][18] a situation for which there was no stipulation in the then-current Ukrainian constitution.[19] Parliament set 25 May as the date for the special election to select his replacement,[15][20][21][22] and, two days later, issued a warrant for his arrest, accusing him of "mass killing of civilians."[23]"
[/size]Since the ouster was:
[/size]Sudden & decisive.
[/size]Resulted in a change of government.
[/size]And was outside Ukrainian Constitutional Law

[/size]It seems to meet all three defining requirements of a coup d'etat.
[/size]a sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force.[/i]
[/size]Since violence apparently was involved as Yanukovych was fleeing Kiev, perhaps "Putsch" would a more properly descriptive term, but putsch entails such negative connotations that I'd prefer the less pejorative coup, or coup d'etat.
[/size]Apologies for aberrant size commands, but an impeachment is an impeachment and a coup is a coup.  I simply quoted the full paragraph that you had quoted from to prove my point.
[/size]My definition of coup d'etat is from

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: September 20, 2017, 09:41:10 PM »
Loving the new design concepts.  "Giraffe 2.0"  ;D
Combining solar and wind helps smooth out the generation curves.

A giraffe-looking electric car charging station is powered by both solar and wind
I like the concept.
Any system that flattens the production curve equates to less battery usage. Battery lifetime is limited by the number of charging cycles, and replacement costs are significant.
Rather than doubling the solar or wind output, then increasing battery storage until diurnal needs are met, they simply added solar or wind and what battery they do use is simply backup storage.
I believe I've seen these on a much smaller scale powering signage in remote locales.

Policy and solutions / Re: Solar Roadways
« on: September 20, 2017, 08:30:13 PM »

As long as the pavement can withstand infrequent snow, possibly only decadal, extreme temperature swings of up to 100F or (55c) diurnally, and has the ability to absorb and shed used motor oil, it may find a niche in parts of the Southwest. The reason for mentioning oil absorption and shedding is that in regions that may not get any rain for more than a year, infrequent oil losses are not washed away. Without absorption, the resulting oil slicks will eventually adversely effect traction.

While the desert produces few trees, it also has some of the least expensive land in the nation. If solar is required along a roadway in the desert, little savings will be generated from the dual use of the paved surface area.

I'm not convinced that solar paving could be more efficient than separate paving, possibly augmented by conventional solar. If private investors are footing the bill I don't really have a problem, though I'd rather see their moneys utilized in R&D directed at improving the efficiency, or lowering the costs of conventional solar.

The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: September 19, 2017, 06:54:41 PM »
Hello, interesting discussion you have here.

Svoboda is definitly a nazi party, why else would they enlist someone like Joeri Mychaltsjysjyn as adviser, he runs the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Centre for pete's sake...

I advise you guys to watch the 2 folowing documentaries :

TV1 documentary on the involvement of the asov brigade and other far right militia groups.   
<French with English subtitles>

BBC piece on the Maidan revolution, where they talk to one of the " snipers of Maidan"

Hope you have time to watch the videos, the first one is 55 min the second around 16 min.


I just finished the TV1 documentary. While I found the Odessa footage significantly less bloody than what I'd viewed in near real time, the coverage was good, if muted.
The balance of their presentation was spot on with one leader chanting Heil Hitler, another feeling no remorse for the dead Russian speakers in Odessa, and a third praising Odessa as having sent out the message that, if you disagree with us everything is blood.
I'm separated from these animals by an ocean, and for this accident of geography I'm grateful.

I'm sure that when they've finished "purifying" the judges, all their actions will be legal.

Thanks so much for the link. For anyone who slept through the coup it's a great synopses from a French perspective.

I'll return when I've had time to peruse the 2nd video.

Hope to hear more from you

The rest / Re: Article links: drop them here!
« on: September 19, 2017, 03:59:00 PM »
The linked video (narrated by Jack Palance) presents and interesting history of Ukraine's struggles (focused on both Soviet and Nazi aggressions):

Title: "Between Hitler & Stalin: Ukraine in World War II The Untold Story"

I always prefer Brzezinski's histories when narrated by Hollywood's most loquacious cowboys. How could we forget Rompin' Ronnie's rendition of "The Evil Empire", a serial in 3 parts.


Consequences / Re: Places becoming less livable
« on: September 19, 2017, 02:14:46 PM »
Real estate industry blocks sea-level warnings that could crimp profits on coastal properties
[Sea level rise threatening coasts] is not good news for people who market and build waterfront houses. But real estate lobbyists aren’t going down without a fight. Some are teaming up with climate change skeptics and small government advocates to block public release of sea-level rise predictions and ensure that coastal planning is not based on them.

Bad news that the story has to be told.
Great news that the story is being told, locally.

Climate change "is a political agenda promoted to control every aspect of our lives", according to a plank of the 2016 Texas Republican Party.

Aprz Harvey in Houston- "Hale up. Glub Glub. Hail-pp.  We'sle build'er ratsup heer were hers alass beed. Her neffer gotch 'erself hitten afore, Ah don think?"

Wid GoAds Hailup, she woan git hit tagain.
Gim me ma money!
Lez Prey.


Consequences / Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« on: September 19, 2017, 01:04:23 PM »
Just read through the Ned W/Jai discussion and I feel like a Yanomami tribesman from the Amazon rainforest who has just found himself at Wimbledon watching a tennis match without knowing the rules.
Eh.  The level of vitriol in that discussion was unpleasant, and it was off-topic for a thread on "global surface temperatures" anyway.  I started a new thread in the "Science" section of the ASIF, which hopefully will stay more on topic and have fewer insults.

FWIW, I thought you handled the situation(s) admirably. I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion & might even have learned something. ;<}

Best to all

Policy and solutions / Re: Solar Roadways
« on: September 19, 2017, 12:53:31 PM »

I refer you to my previous list:,856.msg90565.html#msg90565

I appreciate your attempts to win us over, and your passion for finding a way to ameliorate the mess we're finding ourselves in, but Solar Roadways are not always their own best advocates.

Solar Roadways claims that one of their advantages is that the panels won't require snow plows to maintain the roads in winter.

Melting snow and ice from roadways requires a lot of energy, latent heat, keeping the waste water flowing, and such.
Rather than stating that their product is unsuited to northern climes, Solar Roadways proposes building a (resistance) heater into each panel, and powering this from the grid. While this might go a long way to balance seasonal loads by sharply increasing winter power usage, the power used has to come from somewhere.

Perhaps someone with better math skills than I, could estimate the energy required to melt and maintain a square meter of paving over say a typical winter in Buffalo. We could then compare this figure to the net power generated by a square meter of the Solar Roadways product over a full year, in a similar locale.

I'm obviously loading the deck in my favor by specifying a region famous for it's lake effect snow, and not idea for solar generation, in my defense it is Solar Roadways that claims to be capable of maintaining a roadway without relying on snow plows, and I could have asked for our test to be held in North Dakota.

By claiming snow plows are never needed, they bypass the follow up questions of how Solar Roadways panels stand up to the grinding and scraping of snow removal equipment, and the related, but separate problems that frost heave presents at high latitudes and altitudes.

I recognize that I'm attacking only one small portion of the claims being advanced by Solar Roadways, but if their claims are found to be spurious in any one area, they should be suspect in all.


Consequences / Re: Hurricane season 2017
« on: September 18, 2017, 04:08:42 AM »
A 100-year-flood has a 26% chance of happening during your 30-year mortgage.

Did I miss something?
If an event has a 1% chance of occurring, and we go to the well 30 times, don't we have a 30% chance of capturing that once elusive prize?
How on earth was the 26% figure arrived at?


Not how statistics works, Terry! By that reasoning, after 100 years, the probability is 1, which of course isn't true.

To work out the odds, you take the inverse scenario (i.e. 99% chance of not happening), and raise that to the power of 30... then subtract from 100%. The 26% answer is correct.

My thanks.

I'd realized I was on the wrong path before I hit "post", but struggled to identify my error.


Policy and solutions / Re: Solar Roadways
« on: September 18, 2017, 04:00:14 AM »
What advantage does solar paving have over traditional solar, or traditional paving?

The engineering objectives of both products seem at odds with each other. With paving I'd assume some mix emphasizing skid resistance with smoothness, compressive strength with flexibility, low cost with permanence and repairability, and a surface that sheds rain, withstands chemicals, and holds paint.

How are any of these performance objectives met or enhanced by incorporating solar into the mix?

Some times developing disparate functions into one product makes sense, but flying cars remain a dream from the thirties - for good reason.

Consequences / Re: Hurricane season 2017
« on: September 18, 2017, 02:10:25 AM »
A 100-year-flood has a 26% chance of happening during your 30-year mortgage.

Did I miss something?

If an event has a 1% chance of occurring, and we go to the well 30 times, don't we have a 30% chance of capturing that once elusive prize?

How on earth was the 26% figure arrived at?


Policy and solutions / Re: But, but, but, the United States
« on: September 13, 2017, 06:36:26 PM »
Are the Northern European community heating and generating facilities making a more efficient use of fossil fuels than the more common practice of separating electrical generation from hot water production?
Are the combined facilities utilizing otherwise wasted heat to provide hot water and building heating, or are they simply increasing their fossil fuel usage to provide this additional heat?

If this does equate to greater efficiencies, is there any way that we could emulate this in future bio-mass generators?


I don't know if it's appropriate here, but my first, and only, experience with a hurricane was Hurricane Hazel of 1954 from just west of Toronto.
The historic rains and flooding killed 81 Canadians, and while hurricanes had swept through Canada much further east, no one believed Toronto would ever be struck by such a storm.

Personal observations were limited, A huge oak that once split Main street ended split itself, apparently from the shear weight of rain on her venerable limbs and annual autumn leaves. News photos of de-roofed barns and toppled sheds were ubiquitous. The results of the flash flooding weren't unusual to a child familiar with large, destructive, spring floods. Rain in excess of an inch per day was however something that expanded my experience of weather.

The historic repercussions of Hazel have been positive in Canada. The regions of Toronto that suffered the worst flooding were bought up and eventually became an extensive network of parks and conservation areas. Bridges were reinforced, dams were built. Plans for the unimaginable were imagined, then drawn.

Lessons can be learned.

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: September 11, 2017, 06:17:03 AM »

WP won't allow me entry without disabling ad blocker, something I'm unwilling to do.
Since my link doesn't appear to make any value judgments, but rather simply reports a timeline, perhaps you could tell me whether the NYT was accurate in this reportage.


The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: September 10, 2017, 10:54:20 PM »

So there's no reason to think the absence of public evidence implies evidence of absence.
Very much the truth, but it has been some time since Wikileaks started dropping the little cluster bombs, and the more time that passes, the more likely it becomes that there is no there, there.

If it does take over 9 months to ferret out the e-mails, the whole NSA system won't do anything for us in the event of a terrorist attack, and should probably be mothballed.
Stopping terrorist attacks is the reason we read everyone on earth's e-mail, isn't it?


Was it you who had wanted an MSM link to Uranium One, RosAtom, Clinton Foundation donations & Bill's 1/2 $B speakers fee in Moscow? If so you'll be happy to know that one of my new sources is the venerable New York Times.
They provide an interesting timeline from 2005 to 2013.
If I'm in error re. who had wanted this information I apologize, but you still might find the transactions, interesting.

Permafrost / Re: Melting permafrost flowing like lava in Tibet
« on: September 10, 2017, 05:00:32 PM »
I'll try to get a translation tonight.
That is a spectacular permafrost slide. WOW


Consequences / Re: Hurricane season 2017
« on: September 10, 2017, 12:19:40 PM »
Some video out of Cuba.

The worst hurricane in 85 years apparently.

Thanks for the link.  I appreciate YouTube links.  I don't do twitter and the video links just throw up a 'can't play' error on my computer.  I can see all the other stuff, pictures, hilarious replies to Trump that he never reads, etc.  ;D

That video reminded me of when I was little: Sheerness, February 1953 - big waves!

I have the same problems with many American links. Are they practicing for an upcoming digital curtain?, or is it just my refusal to drop AdBlock Plus.  ::)
I've been to Havana and hope they make it through this without too much damage. It's a fabulous island supporting a remarkable culture.

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: September 10, 2017, 12:01:34 PM »
It's difficult to read Fox's shrill screeds, could cause significant damage to the cerebral cortex - similar to the aural damage that rock concerts can inflict.  8)

The NSA reads everyone's mail. Why haven't they simply released evidence proving who hacked whom, and where they were when they did so? Personally I've never caught Assange telling a lie, his whole livelihood depends on the reliability of his news releases. I can't say the same for any of the 3 letter agencies, the politicians that direct them, or the media that generally reports on their doings.

The CIA did eventually admit that they lied about their activities in Iran back in 1953, but that's a long time to wait for the truth.

The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: September 10, 2017, 11:21:57 AM »
For me, the Odessa massacre exposed exactly who the Obama and the USA were in bed with.

It took a good three weeks & hundreds of videos and photos to sort the whole thing out.

The secret is to look for red armbands. Forget uniforms, masks, and positions just concentrate on who is wearing red duck tape on their arm.
They are the ones shooting into the crowd at the football arena, they are the ones retreating through the "separatist's" camp, they are the ones that were clubbing to death those who leapt from the burning building.

The most savage, planned and executed attack on civilians I've ever witnessed. Bombs have killed far more, but this was an up close and person slaughter of their countrymen.

Consequences / Re: Hurricane season 2017
« on: September 10, 2017, 10:43:27 AM »
Some video out of Cuba.

The worst hurricane in 85 years apparently.

The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: September 10, 2017, 06:55:13 AM »
I don't know the situation in Hungary or Germany.
Do they have Nazi brigades that fly Nazi flags?
If a Russian cameraman photographs Ukrainian soldiers parading through a Ukrainian town in full Nazi array, and captures the locals waving Wolves Angles as they scream their approval, is this propaganda?

Terry, when you claimed that the US Navy was planning to build a Naval base in Crimea, we asked for a reference. You could not come up with one.
Actually I did respond with three references. The fact that you didn't accept them is quite a different proposition from claiming that I "could not come up with one".
The fact that this failed covert operation, which occurred ~4 yrs ago, has left any breadcrumbs to mark it's passing is remarkable in itself.
So now this is the second time asking for a reference to your claims.
Just what is it that you want proof of?
Do you need me to prove that neither Hungary or Germany have National Guard Brigades that march under flags that are illegal to fly in Germany?
At some point reductio ad absurdum must have crossed your mind. Pictures of Nazi brigades in full dress array marching through Berlin or Budapest today, brings to mind one of Mel Brooks satires. Springtime for Hitler and Germany undoubtedly would be the accompaniment.
The thing is that we KNOW from MH17, that Russia is willing to lie and cheat and misinform and blame Ukraine, and fabricate evidence in their news outlets.
The only thing that we "KNOW" from MH17's untimely downing is that Putin's Presidential jet was in the air at ~the same time, in ~the same location, with the Russian President aboard. That someone shot MH17 down using a ground to air missile, an air to air missile, or machine gun fire from rather close range.
In addition we can infer that the US and her allies, as well as the Russians, have radar and satellite images that will prove to everyone's satisfaction exactly who did what to whom. The fact that neither side has made their own images available is at the minimum perplexing.
So you should be EXTREMELY cautious when you obtained you info from a Russian news source.
Actually I use extreme caution obtaining information from any news source. While these events were occurring I was reading reports from people on the ground in both Ukraine and Crimea. They of course had their own biases, but all were reporting on the same events from their own varied perspectives.
If you post it, then maybe we can do some fact checking together.
Since you don't accept my sources, my assumptions, or my experiences, I'm unsure what you hope to accomplish.

What occurred in Ukraine was and is painful. I'm not an overly emotional person, but viewing a middle aged women with her legs blown off, lying in the street and asking what had happened to her daughter affected me. Government forces were the only ones in the air at that time. Video of a very pregnant, freshly raped body, with the telephone wire that strangled her still taut gives me shivers when I recall Odessa.
These were not isolated occurrences. Odessa was planned and executed as a cautionary lesson to anyone who didn't jump when Kiev demanded it. People did return to their villages, only to find their neighbors gone and strangers eating at their table.
I followed all of this in real time. I learned a lesson about how these regimes come to power, how governmental terrorism works, and something of the power of propaganda.
Would that help ?
To accomplish what?
You seem to have swallowed the Ukrainian/American packet in it's entirety. It distresses me when a friend, and I consider everyone at Neven's sites as a friend, appears to be in the thralls of ideology. This forum is scientifically literate. We're aware that our biases need to be subservient to our observations. We know that consensus means naught and that one fact outweighs a thousand theories.

What facts would strengthen our hypotheses? What facts might weaken it?
If America were behind the coup does evidence exist?
Nancy Nuland's phone conversation to Pyatt has never been questioned. In fact the state department acknowledged the authenticity of the recording when they apologized for her remarks.

This is very strong evidence that, rather than being an internal Ukrainian uprising, or something that the Kremlin orchestrated, it was instead a plot that Dick Chaney's former foreign affairs adviser was deeply involved in.

Once America's part in overthrowing a democratic government is accepted, the other elements begin to fall into place. Without this basic understanding the subsequent atrocities make little sense. Crimea had petitioned for her independence from Ukraine many times, but this was the straw that stuck in their gullet (to mix a few metaphors). Donbass wanted closer ties to Russia, so her primarily Russian speaking populace became the enemy of the usurpers. Odessa's populace was leaning toward Russia, an example had to be made.
Without understanding the duplicity of those in power in Kiev, and the debt they owe to the US, these destructive actions seem to be acts of national suicide.
In this instance the nation of Ukraine's survival is of less importance than disrupting Russia's energy sales to the Eu. Yats, Poroshenko and Biden are in it for the money - and what happened to the tons of gold that were spirited out of the country?

Thousands of dead civilians in Donbass mean little to those that consider the murder of 300k children in Iraq to be "worth it".
Another failed state counts for little when global hegemony is the goal.
The people of Ukraine are the victims of the deep state, even the Nazis.


Consequences / Re: Hurricane season 2017
« on: September 09, 2017, 05:37:57 AM »
After the 5pm update yesterday on the NHC website, we decided to get out of dodge. Live in Zephyrhills, Fl. Left this morning at 5am and are now in Ocean Springs, MS to sit out the storm. We used secondary roads to reach I-10W. Traffic on the interstate was heavy with serious congestion off and on until we were well west of Tallahassee. Not bad after until we neared Mobile, AL. Upon arriving at our destination, we went to Chili's to eat and have a stiff drink!

P.S.: Several hours after leaving home I recalled that I left our lawnmower, bicycle and charcoal grill outside in the back of our place. Decided against going back, doh!

Time for an electric lawnmower!

Stay safe

Consequences / Re: Hurricane season 2017
« on: September 09, 2017, 02:47:07 AM »
The precipitation map above lead me to check the weather in Primm Nevada, site of the huge Ivanpah solar thermal facility.

Being located on a dry lake bed, in an area known for flash floods. tonight and tomorrows rains may give us an inkling of how the facility handles heavy runoff. 1.4" may not seem much in less desiccated locals, but if the rains fall in the right locations a wall of water could wash away much of the infrastructure.

Now back to the more important news from Florida.

The rest / Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« on: September 07, 2017, 09:26:24 PM »
Donnie and Mnuchin (treasury secretary) have been out lying about US corporate tax rates.

The US does NOT have the highest effective tax rates in the world.  Our effective tax rate is is slightly above the middle of the pack.

The reason it is slightly above the middle of the pack is very simple:  The US spends almost 3 times the amount that China spent on defense in 2016.  We spent 9 times what Russia spent.  In fact.....we spent more on defense than the next 50 countries COMBINED.😳

So the problem isn't the corporate tax rate.  Next time you catch someone lying about need to straighten them out.

When you've bought more hammers than your 50 nearest neighbors combined, you'll find so many things that absolutely need to be bashed.

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: September 07, 2017, 09:12:07 PM »
In case you missed it #2

Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections

Office of the Director of National Intelligence

Link to pdf.

I believe I read this in it's entirety some time ago. Is there a particular portion you'd like to address?

In general I've never found US intelligence to be reliable. Too many instances of certainty that the Commies were hiding in the closet or assurances that WMDs were under the next sand dune.
More specifically I do believe that the NSA has snagged every e-mail sent or received during at least the last decade. When the Russians wanted to discredit Victoria Nuland over her activities in Ukraine, they simply released their wiretap of one of her conversations. Simple, effective, and never denied.

If Putin was up to all of his alleged machinations, don't you believe that a phone tap, or an e-mail  exists that incriminates him?  Do you believe that the NSA would shield Putin by not releasing these incriminating documents if they exist?

In short, if they had evidence they would have produced it long ago. They didn't, so I don't believe it exists.

Terry - Fool me once and a-a-a-a-a? GWB

The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: September 07, 2017, 08:31:03 PM »

Because I think Ukrainian Nazis are overhyped compared to e.g. Hungaria, Germany and yes even U.S.A. In east Germany there are practically no-go areas where I would not buy cheap rural property. (Some hippie friends had very bad experiences there, e.g. being shot at, and left their old farm again.)

I haven't yet figured the role of Russian propaganda here...
I don't know the situation in Hungary or Germany.
Do they have Nazi brigades that fly Nazi flags?
Do they have elected officials that lead Nazi soldiers?
Have they integrated Nazi Brigades into their National guard?

I do know that none of these elements are present in the US, at this time.
There was outrage when some Canadian soldiers were found with swastika tattoos a few years back. Is there an equivalent backlash in Ukraine?

If a Russian cameraman photographs Ukrainian soldiers parading through a Ukrainian town in full Nazi array, and captures the locals waving Wolves Angles as they scream their approval, is this propaganda?
At some time pointing out inconvenient truths ceases to be propaganda & becomes news, perhaps even needed news.

If Hungarian and German Nazis are emerging I'd like to know, and their respective governments need to know. We don't need another Maidana.


The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: September 07, 2017, 08:02:06 PM »
Are you arguing that Facebook should not be censoring the news, or that they should be censoring, but are shutting down the wrong sites?

American law favors free speech, Canadian law disallows "hate speech". Neither system is totally effective in attaining their stated goals.

I'd personally prefer some standard that incorporated truth into the equation, perhaps based on British defamation law where the fines can be very high, but the truthfulness of the statement offers get out of jail card if it can be proven.
The downside of civil law is that many posters today have no cash or property, and are therefor suit proof.

I don't use Facebook, but I quit them years before this issue raised it's head. Today I worry more about the power Google exerts when they pull ad revenue based on their own discretion. That's a lot of power for an entity to have, perhaps too much power.


The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: September 07, 2017, 07:30:28 PM »

I don't understand why you wrote the above?

Which atrocities Stepan Bandera was or was not guilty of makes no difference.
Today Bandera is a symbol, and he doesn't represent prisoners rights, the Tea Party, or a reasoned approach to foreign affairs. Stepan Bandera became a symbol of a particularly viscous strain of Nazi philosophy, and whenever his name is evoked, his birthday remembered, or his image screened, the message, to friend and foe alike, is that those marching, or singing, or fighting, are attempting to evoke the "spirit" of Bandera. The spirit of a vicious xenophobe who boasted of his inhumanity and his Nazi affiliations.

If I were to march through Selma under the banner of MLK I'd attract a very different crowd than if I marched under a banner of Malcolm X. The difference isn't due as much to what these civil rights leaders did 50 years ago, the difference is in what they represent today.

So too with the Wolfs Angle, the Black Sun and the Swastika. It doesn't matter if the swastika was a Hindu symbol for good luck, it does matter that those marching under the banner believe it to be a symbol expressing their own vicious xenophobia.

If Stepan Bandera's whitewash was effective, and he was perceived as a victim of his time, and the paragon of restraint, his present followers would simply adopt another screaming Nazi as their spiritual head. The reality of Stepan Bandera crumbles under the symbol of Stepan Bandera, and it's this symbol that The Right Sector, The Azov Brigade, and so many others have chosen as their own.


The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: September 07, 2017, 08:06:10 AM »
Not only shocking, but damn near unbelievable!

While Wiki reports 1.9% of Ukrainians as Protestant, their article on Crimean religion lists:

Russian Orthodox
Sunni Muslim

And smaller numbers of:

Roman Catholics
Ukrainian Greek Catholics
Armenian Apostolics
And Jewish minorities

Neither Protestants, nor the subset of this group that the Baptists must represent are even listed.

Probably as easy to find a Baptist working in Crimea as an Amish toiling away in New York City, and it is Crimea we're concerning ourselves with.

As far as the US Navy renovating grade schools (remember there is Sevastopol's school #22 as well as school #5), at the edge of Russian Naval Bases, one wonders why Honolulu, San Diego and Norfolk haven't tapped into this vast philanthropic resource?

Russia's lease on that base wasn't set to run out until at least 2042, so the US Navy certainly must have been anxious to provide up to date educational facilities for the children of the Russian Fleet. Such generosity boggles the mind.

The other requests for bids have either been taken down, or are archived somewhere. My poor internet search skills haven't located any others in 2017, but it has been some while. At one time my (quite distinctive) car was visible at three Nevada archaeological sites, as well as in my driveway. I can't find those Google Earth pages either.


Consequences / Re: Places becoming less livable
« on: September 06, 2017, 09:04:24 PM »

Sink or swim financially or physically. Unaffordable or underwater, unlivable either way.  :-\

Consequences / Re: IPCC possible scenario: 9 C over next century or so
« on: September 06, 2017, 08:50:56 PM »

Some decades ago Germany was manufacturing tiny tankless water heaters, don't know their overall efficiency, but 100% when no hot water is being used. Unless the warm water is also for heating your home they might prove an option.
Solar pre-heaters enjoyed some popularity in California and Nevada, but I'm unsure of their utility in colder climes.


Policy and solutions / Re: Ships and boats
« on: September 06, 2017, 08:13:34 PM »
Does anyone know the specific gravity of these battery packs?
Might make a difference on a ship.

Policy and solutions / Re: US energy efficiency problems
« on: September 06, 2017, 08:05:13 PM »
Persians weren't selecting the spectral bands of their radiators. That allows bouncing the heat off the planet directly from the surface. What we do now is we dilute the heat across the lower atmosphere and wait for it to diffuse up to the tropopause.

It's a cool trick.

Hafnium isn't exactly common, so painting roofs with it might not work. I don't see why using it in air-cooled AC units is made ridiculous by the existence of water-cooled AC units in Las Vegas though.

No dispute about the first paragraph. IIRC the Persian systems relied on black stones, clear desert air, and the dark of night. A very cool trick indeed.

Re the bolded:
Their literature compares their system to an air/air system in Las Vegas and claims a 21% savings, this as I said is comparing apples to oranges, A more proper comparison would be against the ubiquitous chiller water cooled systems found in every casino and an extremely high percentage of the commercial buildings in Las Vegas. This comparison, in their article, was what I was ridiculing.

Straight water systems were outlawed in Nevada, California and Arizona back in the early '70s. The majors had been using chillers since the town built up in the early '50's. Prior to that "swamp coolers" used water evaporation instead of A/C systems. As I'd mentioned the fountains that Evil Knievel famously jumped were an integral part of Caesar's Palaces initial R11 system.

Water exiting a chiller is cooled to close to wet bulb temperatures, so radiative cooling going into a cooling tower doesn't matter. Running water from the chiller to a fixture designed to cool it an additional 3-5C is going to require massive amounts of insulation to keep the ambient air from heating it up considerably more than 3-5C, then we need to pipe it to the A/C unit.

Prior to the water reaching the condenser it is throttled so that the high pressure side is kept at the designed pressure/temperature. If the incoming water were to be 3 to 5C cooler, then slightly less water would be run through the system so that the proper pressure/temperature of the refrigerant would be maintained.

How does this lower operating costs?

If Hafnium is rare and/or expensive my paint idea obviously won't work - but if it's very rare and/or very expensive neither will their idea be practical. Slightly cooling water without evaporative loss is a clever concept, but I can't think of a practical application. - unless you're a Persian Potentate. ;)


The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: September 06, 2017, 10:22:58 AM »
You make some interesting assertions Terry, assertions at odds with the narrative to which I have been exposed. Do you have any references?
I'm unsure which assertions you refer to.

Let's start with the first sentence :
Months before the coup in Ukraine was viable The Exceptional One had sought bids for building a proper US Naval Base in Crimea.

Please provide a reference to that, and explain who "The Exceptional One" is.

Surely there is only one nation that holds itself to be "The Exceptional One".

As one might expect, most of the bids have been withdrawn in the light of recent developments, the American Navy did however leave at least one bid standing from Sept. 5 of 2013 for the rebuilding of a Sevastopol school.

I believe I heard of the Baptist Church from the Texan I'd previously mentioned. It was he who noted that the Orthodox and Muslim inhabitants would find little solstice there.

Google works when you work it!


Consequences / Re: Hurricane season 2017
« on: September 06, 2017, 06:42:55 AM »
Winds are all about the pressure gradient, not necessarily the central pressure.

The wind/pressure relationship tables are just a rule of thumb.

Is this going to be as bad as the forecasts?
Should Floridians flee?


Consequences / Re: IPCC possible scenario: 9 C over next century or so
« on: September 06, 2017, 06:39:31 AM »
Naturally, that's what I said too. "If there is a leak, refilling it won't help". He said that there was a chance it was due to the caps, where the gas goes in and out, having loosened a bit. Basically, the leak could occur anywhere, not even just in the joints (he said he had seen leaks in every part of the system imaginable), but there would be some oily substance to show for it. And we didn't see any of that anywhere.

I was just happy they didn't charge anything (at 100 euros per hour and the whole operation taking three hours), even though my 2-year warranty had run out a couple of months ago!

So, again: Here's to hoping the leak isn't permanent...  ::)

When the time comes that you have to pay find another contractor.

Oil shows in perhaps one out of 20 or one out of fifty leaks.
Caps and Schrader Valve problems account for less than one percent of leaks. (it takes both simultaneously to produce a leak)
Leaks can and must be located and repaired, anything else borders on criminality.

Start saving now, simply adding Freon doesn't solve any problems.
Terry - the bearer of bad tidings.

Policy and solutions / Re: Ships and boats
« on: September 06, 2017, 06:29:45 AM »
I have a sailing boat where the old diesel engine was replaced with electric inboard motor with largish batteries in 2004. Year ago I upgraded the old solar panel that had taken care of the house batteries for more than 15 years with more efficient panels so that now I can charge also the engine batteries at 24 volts with a suitable controller. In theory I could now use the panels to directly move the boat at one knot in calm weather... usually I wait for the wind...
This of course requires different attitude to sailing, as the batteries can move the boat for something like 5 to 30 sea miles, depending on the used speed. Usual mode for diesel using sailing boats is to start the iron genoa when speed drops to somewhere like 2 to 4 knots or would require beating into wind - for me it's better to accept even very slow sailing and contemplate the sea, islands etc...

A wonderful setup!

I noticed any number of sailboats on Georgian Bay a few weeks back. Almost all were under power, or sailing with a furling jib only.
I can't understand why they didn't crack the main sail. Seems as if it would take so much of the enjoyment away.


Policy and solutions / Re: US energy efficiency problems
« on: September 06, 2017, 04:36:20 AM »
Efficient Air-Conditioning Beams Heat Into Space

Possibly of interest, but not ready for prime time - or serious investment.

The basic technology, radiating away the heat is thousands of years old, it's how Persian Potentates got their ice cubes. What's new is tinkering with the emissive bands to avoid GHG's.
Modeling against air cooled air conditioners in Las Vegas is comparing apples to oranges, and in this case the apple is rotten. Commercial buildings in Las Vegas have been using chilled water rather than air since before Caesars Palace was built, what did you think those fountains were for?
In desert regions wet bulb temperatures are far lower than dry bulb, chillers make use of this to drop water temperatures many degrees below ambient and this chilled water is what is used to cool the condenser coils.
Using this system to remove BTU's prior to chilling the water won't change the temperature of the water exiting the chiller at all. Cooling chilled water further by radiation seems far fetched, at least if cooling enough water to handle a 5 ton AC unit on a 110 degree day is the objective.
If their additives actually work to channel the radiation past our atmosphere, adding them to a white paint for rooftops might be a better application.


The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: September 05, 2017, 07:09:56 PM »
You make some interesting assertions Terry, assertions at odds with the narrative to which I have been exposed. Do you have any references?

I'm unsure which assertions you refer to. Wiki covers the Azov Brigade fairly, I believe the Pew Poll was instrumental in Crimean polling prior to their elections and Vineyard of the Saker's archives may allude to the treatment of Ukrainian Conscripts. One of their contributors is a Texan who was in Crimea and has written a book on the times. I no longer remember his name, or the book's title I'm afraid.
My primary source at the time has been systematically destroyed so no references remain. Today I don't even remember the name given to the debacle when the conscripts ended up with no ammunition, fuel or food and fled across the border.
If you can point out a single statement that needs validating I'll do my best to dig it up.
At the time I was spending in excess of 8 researching the ongoing situation. I fully expected the blog I was on to remain in place and seldom bookmarked particular items, just as I expect Neven's sites to remain as evidence of what we witness in the Arctic.
As said, I will try to clear up any information you require.


Arctic sea ice / Re: IJIS
« on: September 05, 2017, 06:34:22 PM »
This is a most unexpected wind down to the season.
After the very mild winter I didn't necessarily expect a new record, but I also never expected us to fall this far back after so much global warming.

Whenever I think I understand Arctic Ice, it slaps me in the face.

The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: September 05, 2017, 06:21:06 PM »
Months before the coup in Ukraine was viable The Exceptional One had sought bids for building a proper US Naval Base in Crimea. Officers quarters, enlisted barracks, even a Baptist Church to serve in this region where the Orthodox religion spars with a minority of Muslims.

Mr. Putin's "Polite Men in Green" came to the aid of the indigenous peoples and ended this madness. Saying that they came is not accurate, they were in fact already in place as a small proportion of the Russian Military that had been legally there for some hundreds of years. They were there under an ongoing agreement that had been in place since Ukraine became a separate entity.

When Crimeans voted first for their independence from Ukraine, then to ask for inclusion into Russia, their votes mirrored what western polling companies had expected, overwhelming support for both measures. Russian troops apparently had little or no influence since the pollsters had already predicted the results with some accuracy. Putin's refusal to grant equal protection to the residents of Eastern Ukraine arguably resulted in the massacre of Odessa and the continual loss of civilian life.

Had Putin's desire been the occupation of Ukraine, he would at a minimum have annexed Donbass and adjacent territory. When Ukrainian conscripts strayed across the Russian border after one of the Separatist encirclement's they were fed, bathed, and sent on their way. This treatment at the hands of the Russians caused many to question their superiors and yet another round of conscription was required.
I don't believe this treatment was accidental. It was simple, bloodless and effective. After this "special units" were required behind the front lines to shoot any of the conscripts that refused to push forward. Not an ideal situation for any army.

The "special units" were primarily from the radical Nazi Azov Brigade, one of the groups that marches under symbols that have been banned in Germany since the end of WWII. Azov has since been upgraded to a Regiment.
The fact that Azov's leaders have won parliamentary seats, and that the US Congress once past a bill forbidding further arming and training of these Neo-Nazi fighters may address some of the concerns this thread aims at.



The rest / Re: Ukraine, Nazis and western support
« on: September 05, 2017, 05:13:01 PM »
Glad that you've mentioned Operation Gladio. I'm unsure of how many Gladio victims are/were aware of just who their enemy is/was. The false flags they perpetrated/perpetrate were & are an affront to democracy.
It's just within the past few months that Langley admitted to having overthrown the democratically elected government of Iran, back in 1953, and installing their own torturing, murdering, puppet.

Did some statute of limitations pass? Since the perpetrators have long since past away, can't the institutions they labored for be charged, found guilty by their own admission, and be forced into receivership as they attempt to pay reparations?
It's nonsense of course to expect the US to play by the same rules the rest of the world adheres to. The US proclaims itself to be "The Exceptional Nation". She charts her own course, obeys only when it suits her purpose, and woe onto any nation that expects parity.

Sorry for sliding a little off topic.
As an American resident when Freedom Fries took their meteoric rise in popularity I'm keenly aware of the power of American propaganda, and the American peoples capacity for swallowing it with never a complaint about what they're being fed.

The rest / Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« on: September 04, 2017, 10:48:35 AM »
I have mentioned before that there are two useful books and some accessible video of a man called Ellul. The books are called "Propaganda" and "The Techonological Society." I do not recall the translator and i am away at the moment, so i cannot give ISBN

One question comes to mind in light of Elluls's work is:

Only Republican and Russian propaganda?  What of Democratic propaganda ?


Everyone does propaganda.

When you don't recognize it, your hooked.

The only bad thing is that even when you know you are being propagandized, it still has an effect.

Agree re Ukraine,

The rest / Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« on: September 04, 2017, 06:01:12 AM »
Propaganda of course predates Reagan, what he did was to alter the narrative.
Instead of pretending that the government was the helper of the downtrodden, Reagan pretended that the government was the enemy of the same.

It was decades before his collusion with Saudi Royalty to tank oil prices became known, and by that time his own intellectual capacities had fallen lower than crude oil's price. If a president deserved to be booted for mental deficiency, Reagan leads that list.

Germany and Hollywood brought the world modern propaganda. Berlin dropped out, but TV more than picked up the slack. Most that heard Nixon debate Kennedy thought that Nixon won. Those that viewed it sided with Kennedy. - Is this the way to chose the world's leaders?

I'd argue that Republican propaganda tends to scapegoat minority's within the country. The Irish, Catholics, Mexicans and of course the Blacks have all had their time. Only very recently have Democrats begun domestic scapegoating, Trump's "Deplorable's" had been Bill's Bubba Vote.

Externally America's xenophobia is ubiquitous. If it isn't the British or the Spanish or the French or the Germans or the ... damn, it's hard to find a country that America hasn't been at war with at one time or another.  The point I suppose is that the US of A has a very long history of pointing elsewhere when asked where the blame lies. Reagan didn't begin this, but he took it to a new level in Grenada.

Fortunately here in Canada we're spared Faux News. We've had our own problems with Harper and Ford, but at the moment all is quiet on your northern front.


Consequences / Re: Hurricane season 2017
« on: September 04, 2017, 03:45:01 AM »
Fill up the tub.
Fill up the sinks.
Fill up the car.
Consider a move?

Cute kid who deserves better than dodging storm surges.

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