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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: June 29, 2020, 10:44:11 AM »
Brexit is done. UK will not ask for extension of negotiation thus there will be no serious negotiations anymore - time is out. EU has gotten its money, the rights for EU citicens in UK and a contract about Irish boarder, Brexit done from EU side. We will see how much we can rely on a contract from UK government, since they can not remember the words in that contract anymore: Where is that tax boarder now? Nobody will feel it or see it but it is firmly there... 

But all that does not matter. There will be a show and some drama but Corona makes more impact. Boris can rely on the fact that complex details are ignored and any hard times will be forgotten soon.
Source: https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2020-06/brexit-verhandlungen-grossbritannien-eu-boris-johnson-freihandelsabkommen

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: January 24, 2020, 04:41:32 PM »
Is 1.50C from pre-industrial even a remote possibility?


I've no doubt that we'll pass through 1.5 well before Greta needs to hide her grey hairs, and probably before she earns a degree.
1.50C may have been built in before Greta was born. That door has closed.


Terry
Terry - that 1.5 °C goal is the goal, that all countries (minus 3) in the world agreed on to work for in Paris. And then you may read the IPCC special report 1.5°C where the scientist explained in 2018, how that goal could be achieved by the governments: E.g. with negative emissions Gretas generation should be held responsible for somehow - and still some people still do not fully understand why young people are angry now. Plenty very stupid people out there, which are not young... 

Greta was demanding in her school strike, that the Swedish government does what it promised in Paris.

It is very simple. If the governments of all countries of the world (-3) now find it unrealistic to keep their promise it should be also their job to say sorry and agree on something else. But how could a young girl like Greta step in and work out a better political solution? No - it is totally ok if she tells the politicians to do what they promised. There is no reason for her to ask the politicians to change their agreement. Also there is no reason for Greta to come up with any magic idea or whatever. The only solution is: Do not burn any carbon anymore. Take action now.   

Next problem is that the people are not doing what the politicians promised their people would do. Maybe because there are no sanctions and such. But why? There are sanctions against murder, theft, drugs abuse etc. so people know how to deal with such things. Thus there is no excuse. Action can be taken today - ban carbon burning just like the use of heroine.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: January 19, 2020, 08:41:26 PM »
Also where on the ocean is Greta now?
Switzerland. On the way to Davos to tell us, that we have seen nothing from her and FFF so far... If their actions continue to make no effect they will become more radical - just as needed.

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: December 13, 2019, 08:04:06 PM »
Congratulations! Both the English and the Scottish voted clear. That should help to get to some decisions soon. Nevertheless - since after Brexit (transition) is before Brexit (agreement about future relationship), another year of popcorn is going to make me fat anyway.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: December 03, 2019, 08:15:55 PM »
Greta: If you don't Like angry Kids then stop making Kids angry 😁



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/greta-thunberg-arrives-in-lisbon-by-yacht-from-us-1.4103166

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: December 01, 2019, 01:18:20 AM »
Estimated time of arrival now: Tuesday  :D

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 22, 2019, 07:30:51 PM »
Greta on Twitter: They survived the storm by slowing down the boat. Now they are back on track and hope not to be late for the conference.

PS: I am really happy that Twitter exists since Greta posts there and thus it is not dominated by Trump anymore. The problem obviously is not the tech but who uses it -  and not the young people cause the trouble... 

By the way: Next global school strike is on Nov. 29. Help the kids. See you on the streets and not only in the virtual world of this forum ;-)

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 19, 2019, 08:03:00 PM »
Then again they technically have to teach the kids that consumerism is bad while that is basically the only thing they have known...
That (consumerism is bad) is basically what the teens are trying to teach us adults. But they have the fear that they are to slow - they have only 10 years left to get us old convinced to getting sober (from consumerism). We are the addicted ones not the young people. Now the old and obviously not so wise people have to follow the youth (see Trump vs. Greta - he made her start FfF as she explained). Strange days.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 19, 2019, 07:06:58 PM »
<snip>
All the tech executives tend to be raising their kids tech free.

That is very significant and should make consumerist parents scratch their heads and change their ways.

Maybe interesting in this context:

"Apple's Tim Cook says he wouldn't let a child use social media"
May I ask why the suggestion to prohibit teens from using social networks is now such big a topic in this thread? Is this an attempt to hinder Greta's work? It should be obvious that without social networking there would be no Friday for Future and only a few locals in Stockholm would have noticed Greta's school strike. Her superpower was multiplied by social media. And FFF is build on the ability to communicate effective and international.
<snip>
What is bad with communication? No communication would be worse.

It is not a big topic, it is a slight digression from smartphones for youngsters.
I don't use social media but know these things. There a more ways to get information than check your e.g. facebook page.
Getting balanced and truthful information takes a lot of effort and critical thinking.

Yes, because of smartphones and 'social media' the movement got big fast. But the information from scientists is online. The young humans can find this and be scared for their future. Greta and 'social media' helped to massively communicate this. That doesn't mean that the communication medium is sound. It worked here in a good way but is harmful in general.

Don't you take Tim Cook serious?
Or the other big tech CEO's? Isn't that a big red flag?
Or all the articles that have been written about it?

Real communication is when I talk to you in real life with all non-verbal communication :)
Preferably in a human language that is efficient, unambiguous, equal, in reality, logical and complete. In order for humans to be able to communicate a complex thought to another human by spoken words through the air, to the ear of the other. But that is all theoretical optimilisation.
That generalization is stupid, even if it would done by "tech executives" (I am also one, albeit surely not "big"). "Real" communication for teens is possible in a small radius only - how should they communicate on long distance? E.g. from here to Stockholm it takes 20h on a train (my daughter also does not use planes). And how to communicate with young people in Korea or USA (as my son frequently does via "social media" or other new internet communication methods). For "non verbal communication" they also develop new things, which may be strange for older people.

And again - where do you want to draw the line for teenage people? TV? Computers? Internet? Cars? Any engines? That is just bullshit. Really. Better try to discuss with them how to balance "non real" communication with other localized methods (theater, music...). And please consider: You can can try to teach them as you like - young people will reproduce your own behavior anyway ;-)   
And this forum is also some kind of social medium, is it that bad?

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 19, 2019, 04:57:27 PM »
<snip>
All the tech executives tend to be raising their kids tech free.

That is very significant and should make consumerist parents scratch their heads and change their ways.

Maybe interesting in this context:

"Apple's Tim Cook says he wouldn't let a child use social media"
May I ask why the suggestion to prohibit teens from using social networks is now such big a topic in this thread? Is this an attempt to hinder Greta's work? It should be obvious that without social networking there would be no Friday for Future and only a few locals in Stockholm would have noticed Greta's school strike. Her superpower was multiplied by social media. And FFF is build on the ability to communicate effective and international.

Thus this kind of critics by some "tech executives" is a bit strange. And I would like to discuss with them directly which kind of addiction they practiced when they were in the teens. And what is the purpose of their critics? Internet only for people with drivers license or for the people of age 50+? Or for whom?

And does "tech free" include television, cars, computers, any other electrical things or only communication? What is bad with communication? No communication would be worse.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 17, 2019, 11:18:31 AM »
There is a ton of psychological research showing that, especially for girls, getting a smart phone and social media as a young child has a significant negative impact upon their mental health. Better that they get them later in their teens, so that they can have a sense of perspective. Also, a much longer attention span which is highly prized in higher academia and business.

All the tech executives tend to be raising their kids tech free.
It may be your choice to teach your children in Amish way or Steiner fashion or what else. But that is only your choice and shall not harm my children. A lot of things are very bad for children, if the dose is to high - TV, sugar, alcohol, religion, drugs, shopping, computers, SUV, telephones... but children if children do not have any experience with all of those, it is even worse. If teens today would consume in alcohol/ drugs what I did in the 80ies it would called insane. In my youth a heavy usage of a phone would have called insane. What is better?

And now back to topic: That most famous teen is sailing again :-)

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 16, 2019, 02:55:16 PM »
We are living in a world of change. Adults can't guide the kids through this. We don't know the internet, it's too new and ever-changing. It's a whole new cultural technique we have to learn as humanity as a whole. And then climate change. We know nothing. We can only assume.

The kids feel that. No fucking wonder they are insecure.

It's time to listen to the kids for once. Let's be insecure together.

No. It's time for parents to wake up and take the smartphones away from their kids.
Kids don't need smartphones.

They need a dumb phone so they can communicate with parents as needed. Yes, they may send sms's also.

Plus a strict limit on screentime. 40 minutes per day. After schoolwork is done.

That will give your kids back to you, among other positive effects.

Kids will scream at first and protest at your new regime, but they will accept it. And eventually they will enjoy being different.
OK, Boomer.
😁

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 14, 2019, 09:48:24 AM »
Does Johnson Understand How His Deal Affects Northern Ireland?

I am sure that Johnson does understand that one little thing he changed in the transition "deal" with EU. He is well educated and obviously he is not stupid. Thus he is probably lying. He lyied frequently in the past (prooven fact, e.g. when he was "journalist" in Brussels) thus there is no reason to believe him if he is saying anything. Especially when he is saying something in the public/ on TV before an election that is probably a lie.

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 09, 2019, 02:09:07 PM »
But the EU is also the sum of its nations and all the people enjoying the 4 freedoms

Ok, but this is ignoring that GB stalled the progression of the EU for decades.

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But GB will remain - one way or another. Even if there is a Brexit (which i doubt), they are not out! With a hard Brexit, a new agreement will be reached and when GB wants the EU as a trading partner they have to bow to all the requirements the EU sees fit. Because GB has become a toothless tiger. Just another dying empire. Nothing will change that fact.
Yes, you are right, I agree. A member not helping to progress is not really a partner. In this sense it does not matter if they are inside or outside EU. And that little bit of customs is not going to hurt us much - that is just about money and it exist way to much of money anyways, mainly used for heating the planet.

Thus - I am back to my popcorn...

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 09, 2019, 11:36:11 AM »
I'm saddened seeing the EU weakened

Well, the whole Brexit debacle caused a die-off of all the anti-EU parties outside of GB. More people now realize without EU it would be even worse. I don't see the EU weakened.
BlumenKraft, the EU _is_weakened by Brexit. The acceptance of the EU bodies is increased, so nobody else wants to repeat the British error today - in this point you are right. But the EU is also the sum of its nations and all the people enjoying the 4 freedoms and not only the burocracy in Brussles (which is comparably very small - e.g. similar in size to the administration of the city-state Hamburg).

For EU as a whole Brexit is a burden and it is weakend, because in the last years it put its focus on Brexit and not on the real problems to be solved. So we lost several years in fighting climate change, working for digitalization and industry 4.0, helping neighbours to get harmonized to EU law and fighting corruption, building up an army to compensate for NATO getting obsoleted by Trump, finding answers for the shameless manipulators in our direct neighborhood (Trump, Erdogan, Putin,...) and the autocrats elsewhere (Xi, Iran,...) and much more.

Thus EU lost a lot of time and it is about to loose a very good democratic partner, which helped in the balance North vs. South, Celtic/Romanic vs. Germanic, liberalism - socialism and much more in EU. EU is loosing a lot, really.
Unfortunately I think a remain would not help anymore anyway - to much have been broken and remain could be considered a fraud on both sides. We should not build a future on that. Instead I agree now, that there should be a "clean" thus significant Brexit and Britain should learn, that it is shitty also elswhere. It needs to learn that its own governments was responsible all the time and blaming EU was only a comfortable lie for UK's establishment and upper class. The upper class and Cornwells' smugglers will profit from Brexit of course (unchained from social regulations, freedoms of the people and such) - but one day that will upset the people in UK and that day a re-unification of UK in EU may start. At least I hope...

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 08, 2019, 08:26:24 PM »
johnm33 - With my brain I can not understand most your words but with my heart I can. It is getting dirty as in a divorce between 2 former lovers. You want to blame the EU for a lot of things while UK still is part of EU and thus you blame UK just as much as any other partner/member of EU. Remember: In EU council every countries' government has veto right - thus nothing ever happened against the will of the UK government. Thus blame your own government first instead of any governments elected by other people. The Eurocrats are as well UKcrats.
Please keep that mud outside or we all just have to run...

This is an agreement between Nations and not between lovers.
Sure, I am 100% with you. Of course. For that reason I criticized johnm33 for his emotional and unreasonable language and tried to get the discussion back to reason. No need here to get down to rant niveau (facist, Eurocrats, france vs. Greek and whatever mud / dirt language one may use to manipulate by addressing instincts).
Brexit is only in the hand of UK/NI. Decide what you want (whoever "you" has the say there). Answer the question: "Should I stay or should I go now?" (The Clash). But tell us, please. Now.

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 08, 2019, 02:55:35 PM »
johnm33 - With my brain I can not understand most your words but with my heart I can. It is getting dirty as in a divorce between 2 former lovers. You want to blame the EU for a lot of things while UK still is part of EU and thus you blame UK just as much as any other partner/member of EU. Remember: In EU council every countries' government has veto right - thus nothing ever happened against the will of the UK government. Thus blame your own government first instead of any governments elected by other people. The Eurocrats are as well UKcrats.
Please keep that mud outside or we all just have to run...

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 08, 2019, 08:42:14 AM »
Someone elsewhere asked is there any plausible scenario where british people are not totally stuffed without even a reasonable chance of recovery within 3 years.
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Sure Britain people harm themself by "doing Brexit". But they also cause a similar harm to the former partners and the people in future rest EU, which had no choice in this matter. It is not foreseeable that this harm is going to be cured one day.
Thus after several years of British ignorance some people here (in future rest EU) are getting tired of wishing "good bye" to the former partner and any kind of "bye" could do as well. But please come to some conclusion what you want and then do it. "You" here means those bodies in UK which have the legislative and excecutive power in UK and NI - over all those referendum, earlier elections, talks and discussions I lost track about who that might be nowadays. Neither the prime minister nor the parliament were able to act - has there been any government existed after May left? If so, what did they govern?

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 06, 2019, 08:49:36 AM »
Labour's Brexit position is a two step plan.
Step one: spend three months trying to negotiate a better deal
Step two: have a referendum on whatever deal they get vs remaining.
https://labour.org.uk/page/labour-brexit-plan/
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OK, I read that... stil-, I would call Labors' option "don't know" because Labors' Brexit is still to be defined in future negotiations which may or may not happen. Personally for me it is totaly unclear why anybody still wants to negotiate and vote about the ever shrinking transition periode ending probably Dec. 2020. Wouldn't it be time to start negotiation about the future relationship between EU and UK? And since that negotiation can only start after the Brexit is agreed on - wouldn't it be time to agree on whatever Brexit transition periode? If you wait 6 month more as needed for labors' idea the deal periode would only be another 6 months. Since 6 months are clearly not enough to negotiate future relationship I would conclude, that labor also wants "no deal" after Dec 2020... but they say other things :-S

So I would like to devide the options given in UK elections in 2 sets: First about the transition time and second about future relationship following the transition periode:

Options for the transition periode (between Brexit day and probably Dec. 2020 + some delays):
1. Brexit party: no transition since no deal right now.
2. Conservative: Johnson deal, thus quite similar to conditions right now minus any influence/rights from UK in EU.
3. labor: no transition periode at all since the time is going to be used for negotiations & referendum. Thus like now/the last years.
4. SNP & liberals: cancellation of Brexit thus no need for any transition periode.

Realistic options for future relation between UK and EU:
1. Brexit party: no deal (down to world trade basis)
2. Conservative: no deal for UK - because the Johnson skipped the backstop for UK for that reason, backstop for NI
3. labor: no deal for UK and NI - because in their plan there is no time to negotiate the future relationship with EU
4. SNP & liberals: remain

What would be your choice?

Conclusion for everybody outside of UK parliament: Stay prepared for "no deal" about Dec. 2020 +- 1 year since most members of parliament are going to work for that (with or without clear intention...).

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 05, 2019, 03:41:39 PM »
I have another question e.g. for people from UK&NI (next to the one in post #201):

Is it the case that the election on Dec 12 is mainly about the way of Brexit and you have the following choices:
1: Brexit party to get "no deal Brexit"
2: Conservative to get the Johnson transition deal (and probably "no deal Brexit" end of 2020 or later for UK but backstop for NI?)
3: SNP or liberals for remain, thus cancelation of Brexit
4: labor for: don't know

Or is the election also about topics other than Brexit? 

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 03, 2019, 10:13:02 PM »
Yep, they should spell their words correctly, though. Jep, ðei ßud spel ðeö4 wöö4dz kcrrektli ðcu
no - because: Brexit means Brexit ;-)

They may correct the Americans instead :-P

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 03, 2019, 05:48:53 PM »
Sorry for my ignorance, SATire, but are you British?
lol - no. With my broken English I am from the remaining EU. English is my only foreign language and not to soon that will not be an official EU language anymore... Days of mourning.

Edit: Yes, some kind of English will probably stay as official EU language. Maybe not British English not Irish nor Malta's language but some kind of EU-english: "EUrisch" https://www.dw.com/de/nach-dem-brexit-eu-beh%C3%B6rdensprache-bleibt-weiter-englisch/a-50679475

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 03, 2019, 02:04:13 PM »
Back in July I wrote....

[\quote author=RealityCheck link=topic=2643.msg209772#msg209772 date=1561972106]

In the words of Gerontocrat (and Monty Python): 'My theory that belongs to me' is that Europe will not agree to any further extension of the Brexit deadline; that new PM Johnson will be unable to get Parliament agreement on anything; a general election might well result, leading to more confusion; there will be no time to do anything meaningful after the dust settles; and an 'accidental' hard Brexit is a high likelihood - with everyone then blaming everyone else for the mess. Then Ireland gets caught in the cross-fire.

Once more, I hope I am wrong...but nothing points to that right now.

Here we are with October round the corner...and guess what? My hope of being wrong is dwindling. I have held back posting too much about Brexit, because it's all the same really. But it still all points to a hard Brexit as most likely.
...

So, here we are with Brexit postponed again. 2 cheers for that. I am very happy to have that chaos moved away to 2020, and that my pessimism about 31 Oct hard Brexit has been proved wrong by latest events. The election is happening now in the UK. Credit is due to clever MPs (there seem to be a few left) who painted the PM into a corner. In my dream outcome, the LibDems and SNP win a majority and find a way to cancel Brexit. Pigs might also fly...😁

Are you sure about your dream? After all that buzz and discussion there might be the option for UK just to cancel Brexit? After all those lies and words how could EU live together with UK and vice versa? I am not to sure if a future of UK inside EU would be a desirable outcome anymore.

Do not understand me wrong - it is common sense that Brexit is bad both for EU and UK. A lot of damages are already done because people prepared for Brexit and act accordingly. Also EU will continue to do everything to prevent "no-deal-Brexit" - as long as it does not destroy the EU (those famous 4 things...) and as longs as it is line with the needs of Ireland.

But if UK would now cancel Brexit what would happen? Would people in UK agree or get even more polarized and get even more open to manipulations? Could EU ever again trust UK or must they think that every day they would push the exit-article again or - even worse - would delay any fruitful work in Brussels?

Thus I think a no-deal Brexit is what should happen finally. Probably that would happen end of 2020 after the 3/4 year of "Brexit-deal" transition - or maybe another year later since there is now a tradition of delays in this process. This could be what most people expect and want after so many talks and all that time Brexit consumed in the news since years now. After all that prelude people on both sides of the channel need some serious actions one day.

So what actions could we see after we finally arrive at that famous "Brexit which is meaning Brexit"? Will we see a unification in Ireland (the GFA promises this option in case there is that boarder)? Will we see the separation of Scotland and its re-integration into EU (and would Spain allow that considering their separation issue in Barcelona?)? Will core-UK team-up with USA and evolve in some kind of "51st state"? Or will an unchained UK get back its empire again? What do you think?
But please: Any future action should be "entertaining" enough to justify all that noise about Brexit and the harm we had so far.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 01, 2019, 07:47:41 PM »
Since COP25 is moved from Chile to Madrid (Spain) Greta finds herself on the wrong side of the Atlantic and wants to sail back:

"As #COP25 has officially been moved from Santiago to Madrid I’ll need some help.
It turns out I’ve traveled half around the world, the wrong way:)
Now I need to find a way to cross the Atlantic in November... If anyone could help me find transport I would be so grateful.!

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1190290034131267591

Life is strange sometimes. But what an interesting and educational life she has. Good luck and some fun, Greta.

Edit - I am so wrong as she explained later in that tweet: "I’m so sorry I’ll not be able to visit South and Central America this time, I was so looking forward to this. But this is of course not about me, my experiences or where I wish to travel. We’re in a climate and ecological emergency.
I send my support to the people in Chile."

Just hope the storm season will not harm her.

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: October 24, 2019, 05:33:07 PM »
Quote
The back stop is not part of the "deal" anymore.

SATire, for i understand it, it's there still, but not called so.

The old back stop was: All of UK will stay in European Single Market until an agreement between UK and EU is found. That is not present anymore for UK but only for NI... Thus Scotland, Wales and England will drop off European Single Market and all other trade agreements between EU and third countries end of 2020 (no matter what happens these days). That I would call a hard Brexit. Only NI would be lucky but Ulster does not like to be lucky without London... poor

And given the EU has all the power then, you can assume that whatever will be negotiated, the UK is inherently fucked.

And if this wasn't bad enough, Scottland will likely leave for the EU. And perhaps NI also...

Time to call it Small Britain already?

Brexit will not happen.
UK and EU both are fucked by Brexit. It is a classical loose-loose situation. However, EU knows what it wants and is thus prepared.

A small Britain already exists: called Bretagne. The other side of the smugglers ports. Those smugglers/pirates may benefit and the Saxons are going to pay them well.

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: October 24, 2019, 05:03:57 PM »
This speaks for itself

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

This is ‘May Mk2’ – the EU’s latest colonisation treaty for the UK

(...)

This may be called a withdrawal agreement that has the full support of both the EU and UK bureaucrats but clearly the shafting will continue in or out without a so called hard brexit. I think the current plan is a referendum on this or remain
May I remind that what is currently called "deal" is only the agreement of some regulations for the exit and the transition period until end of 2020? Since today it is totally unclear which kind of agreement the people in UK /the UK parliament/ which ever UK government might want, it is very unlikely that an agreement can be found until Dec. 2020. How to negotiate with someone without clear will? So we may well see the "no deal Brexit" end of 2020 - either via some transition period or via some more delays through current status.

Reason for this: The back stop is not part of the "deal" anymore. So no valid plan B existent in case they can not find an agreement. Thus a hard drop out of any trade agreements is likely for UK. And can they get new trade agreements in just 1 year?`Can they decide anything in 1 year?

It is sad to watch. But we have no chance but to wait until UK gets an idea what it wants _and_ which exist in reality. We will probably wait in vain since British parliament prefers to discuss if the parrot is dead or not - at least that discussion is so sophisticated. When I listen to them I would like to agree to most of the speakers - unfortunately their points are usually about something completely different...

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 23, 2019, 07:13:08 PM »
The times, they are changing...
Bild Features Gretas' emotional speach.


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Policy and solutions / Re: But, but, but Germany ....
« on: September 22, 2019, 05:53:55 PM »
Alexander, I agree that we should have harmonized tax system in EU and elsewhere. The current situation is often like robbery - small countries suck from large ones with a bit of profit and large damage for others.

But those tax systems are not robbery by people, because the people do not make such laws. It is your government to blame, not the person from e.g. Marocco. Freedom of people to move is larger value than freedom of money to move or goods. So globalization should first be beneficial for the people and 2nd for companies. That is also the simple EU rule.

Now we also have global warming - caused by rich northern countries and resulting in first damages in more southern countries. How can we not help them if they have real problems, like e.g. a gay person in Morocco or just any person in Syria, who is attacked from all sides?

If immigrants work on black markets or do illegal things your police/customs/tax officers should do their job. Again blame your government if they ignore such problems - but not generally people from other countries. If you do so please also blame all Belgians for any problem caused by one single Belgian. 

But now this thread should maybe get back to problems caused by Germany, as mentioned in the title. And such problems are plentiful and often related to CO2: No other country spent that much money for such little effect. Just because we like to give the money but do not like to abstain from consumption. Please feel free to learn from our huge mistake.

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Policy and solutions / Re: But, but, but Germany ....
« on: September 22, 2019, 01:39:22 PM »
SATire: You don't understand what i say. Most arrive here with plenty children.
Alexander, I am German so I do understand very well what you say. It is Racism. Normally it is rated well to have many children - they can pay your social system once you are retired. But in case those children are not of "belgic blood" (does such a thing exist? you are a mixture of many people migrating there earlier)....

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Policy and solutions / Re: But, but, but Germany ....
« on: September 22, 2019, 12:45:49 PM »
I will give you an example. ... My college, from Morroco, he has 4 children. So he don't has to pay taxes ont that 50 000.
Lol - what is that example for? He is working, thus not illegal. He gets more money not because he is from Morocco but because he has more children. If you do not like that blame your government for being to social. Maybe vote for vlaams belang next time or the neo-liberals, in case you still can find some...

The term "illegal" is a local US term - it is not valid internationally for cases under convention of Geneva. 

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 21, 2019, 11:26:54 PM »
Did it started like that ? With her only.
yes

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 18, 2019, 09:17:51 AM »
I have full respect for and want to wish strength to the heroic participating young people without parental permission.
They will be disciplined while the others will not. Very unfair imo!
If you would have a daugther of that age you could know: Those uncooperative parents are going to face some serious activism at home soon. Gretas' superpower turns the kids into Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Veggies disciplining their nasty parents until they abstain from air planes, SUV and beef and find themselfs on the streets on Fridays, too  8)

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 17, 2019, 11:14:37 PM »
Brands Including Lush, Patagonia, and Outdoor Voices Are Joining Greta Thunberg in the Climate Strike 2019
This is very positive. Also here companies join Greta's Friday for Future - today 1800 companies committed to strike next Friday (including mine, but I will not disclose which): https://klima-streik.net/liste-der-unternehmen/

I want to cite Greta: "Activism works.",  "see you on the street."

September 20th is the next Friday.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 16, 2019, 07:11:45 PM »
So two more weeks of NYC excitement.   And then...?  Everybody stay frosty.
Canada, Chile... Greta takes 1 year off for traveling. Thus no need for planes. And way better education than any school can provide.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 16, 2019, 08:37:27 AM »
A radical climate scientist, of course.
(the "handler" of Greta, context above)
That is a no brainer. Greta follows science. Today realistic is often called radical. Probably because many people got used to be radically wrong. 
Perhaps govt funded. (Hint: certainly not Russian...).
I guess the Swedish government? No, she was demonstraiting against it... Swiss? I do not get your humor (just hoping it is humor, what I do not get).

That she is not a Russian spy and that Merkel was misunderstood Greta explained here (Poeple say such bullshit just to change subject away from climate crisis. Do not follow in wrong directions):   

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 14, 2019, 01:20:18 PM »
P.S.: Accidentally, Amy Goodman's interviews reveal who Greta's actual handler and donor of interview time is. Any guess? :) Conspiracy explained!
Her litle sister? No. I did not get it. Please enlight me.
Next Friday also companies and grown ups start to join fff. Greta disrupts.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 12, 2019, 05:20:26 PM »
That's Jane Goodall, google everything you can find about her, adding her to your life can only make you much more optimistic about humanity.
Thank you. I know Jane Goodall's work. But I could not realize her in that picture with Greta. Must be fun in NY for Greta since she likes to discuss with scientists - much better than small talk or such buzz.


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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 12, 2019, 03:27:55 PM »
Who ist that lady next to Greta?

Thank you for posting what happens to Greta in the US. The media here don't say much about Greta in the USA.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 02, 2019, 09:38:49 AM »
Greta will not stop soon. In Brussles (see her press conference video in post #96) she told us that she will not stop before Sweden is in line with the 1.5 °C warming target. She probably has found her life-time job and she is doing this job exeptionally well I think.

When I visited USA for first time after school I was overhelmed by New York for several days. Now imagine Gretas speciality, her 15 days with very few people on a large ocean and then she droped in that loud, fast, brutal and interesting big apple. Considering also that people in USA are not so famous for beeing nice listeners she may have realized, that her "ridiculously ineffective (...) stunt" did not end but started while stepping from board.

I hope she may find some native friends who can do the job is USA. Those need to be especially crazy pioneers since that job is way more difficult than the one in Sweden...

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 01, 2019, 08:26:52 PM »
... Here she is, sitting silently, pondering how ridiculously ineffective that 15-day sailboat stunt was.... 
...
Either what you say or thinking about her own answer from today on instagram: "When haters go after your looks and differences, it means they have nowhere left to go. And you know you're winning." ("you" here is Greta not someone Nasty). 

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 01, 2019, 04:50:02 PM »
Quote
"Our house is on fire. I want you to panic. And act"

Sounds like a great mission statement to me; as such, I hope she adopts it as her official mission statement.
Since those are her words in her <3 min pitch at the world economy forum in Davos your hope came true it seem. Watch and judge yourself:

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 01, 2019, 11:56:01 AM »



Can we please stop the bullshit labelling/ad hominems, and actually discuss points of view now?
I agree to your last sentence and would like to give it back to the people like the obviously good-willing woman in your video - I watched her 30 min whining with quite a few misunderstandings.

Greta is not telling the politicians what to do. She is telling politicians to do what they promised (e.g. 1990 in Rio and 2015 in Paris) and to do what the sciences worked out what should be done.
Of course the politicians benefit from meeting her since they get a picture which is interesting for the world. But Greta also benefits since she can impact a decision maker and possible distributor. And much more.
Judge by yourself, another 40 sec at Davos:

And at this press conference in Brussels Greta explains a bit why some people criticize FFF and say they would be puppets: To change subject away from climate crisis.

If you are "real progressives" please contribute with action and do not work against people who act. 1990 was the time to discuss what do do - emission trade or CO2 tax, 0 CO2 emission or carbon removal or mitigation. That time is over and we have 5 past 12. Now we have to do all of those things at once and fast. It is time to start action. So act. Do not stand in the way of people who are acting.


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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 01, 2019, 12:53:37 AM »
People who criticized Greta were usually proven wrong. That is easy to understand since she is just pointing to the science. E.g. the liberal politician in Germany who told her to let the professionals do the job was told by >1000 scientists (the professionals) in public the she was right and he not.

Finally critics was about her outfit or that she would be responsible for the CO2 caused by a ship or that other people fly - just as if you would be responsible for a 100 mio jet and the car of the pilot in case you buy a ticket for an airplane...

So - we got though the bullshit here since a year. Act better than Greta or let her do her fantastic job without nasty noises! Let your children do school strike - school is futile without future anyway.

 

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: August 31, 2019, 02:49:43 PM »
To clarify: I was attempting to refer to supporting her mission.  I was not able to find a mission statement for her, however, she does explain her mission fairly well here as well as sharing a few things about her life on the Ted Talk:

https://www.ted.com/talks/greta_thunberg_the_disarming_case_to_act_right_now_on_climate

Supporting her mission means having critical discussions about what she says as well as discussions about data that she uses to make her points.  Showing cause and effects by comparing newly available data with older data is critical to her discussions.  This forum can help her determine better ways to explain this data.  That's what I am talking about. 

Also, just knowing that there are other people on a similar page as she is can be a great help as well.
You are so right VaughnAn. Greta's emotions are fed by science and reason and without any filter those emotions go straight inside me. That is her simple magic. Let us do what she does: Unite behind the science! Act. If someone wants to criticize her or anything which one may see behind her (What could be behind her other than science and panic? She is visually open without any filter due to Asperger...): Act better first, please.

Now I hope she gets viral in the Americas like she did in Europe. In Europe she politicized the young people like nobody else. "The Climate Crisis is solved - now start to act".

Her mission statement could be "Our house is on fire. I want you to panic. And act" - as she told us in Davos:

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Home brew AMSR2 extent & area calculation
« on: August 17, 2019, 12:13:14 PM »
I am worried about Wipneus. His updates were like a clock from Switzerland. How can I look at the state of sea ice without his product? This feels so 2012... 

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Policy and solutions / Re: Coal
« on: October 06, 2018, 12:57:31 PM »
Hambi bleibt! https://hambachforest.org/?noredirect=en_US

Hambacher forest can stay - uprooting is banned by country court. Details about the topic here: https://www.dw.com/de/hambacher-forst-verst%C3%B6%C3%9Ft-geplante-rodung-gegen-das-recht/a-45619111


This may be a first victory against the excessive lignite burning in Germany. There is a hope that "Hambi" could become a symbol just like Gorleben and Wackersdorf have been in the eighties in the preparation of the exit from nuclear. However, it took about 10-20 year for nuclear (until 2002) and it maybe necessary that the green party needs to be in government again to get that job done. But at least they are on the rise (maybe ~18% next week in Bavaria?).

Nevertheless today is party time!  ;D 20 000 people are expected today https://www.merkur.de/politik/ersten-sind-schon-da-anti-kohle-demo-und-jubel-party-im-hambacher-forst-gericht-erlaubt-hambi-demo-zr-10260530.html and the weather is fine  8)


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The rest / Re: Europe - Collapse dynamics
« on: July 30, 2016, 08:28:35 PM »
If, as you say "all Turkish parties were against the coup", does it not follow that some party outside of Turkey was responsible?
Here I was not clear: I meant the political parties in the Turkish parliament. The government party AKP and also the oposition Kemalists (CHP), and Curds (HDP)  acted against the coupe. Not sure about extreme right MHP....

From here it looked like part of the Turkish military tried that coupe. Maybe just because they did/tried that frequently in history.

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The rest / Re: Europe - Collapse dynamics
« on: July 30, 2016, 02:32:27 PM »
TerryM,

I did not understand some of the abbreviations, slang or code words you used. But since I got the feeling that "a successful coupe" could be something good I must disagree:
All Turkish parties were united against the coupe, including the Kemalists and the Curds (see here: http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-idUKKCN1040K7 ). It was surely a great victory for democracy and for the people that the coupe failed.

However, what is happening now is not looking good. It is maybe similar to the reaction of USA after 9/11: A big thread and subsequently a "clean-up", people again are rating security over liberty. Similarly the alliance partners warn but are ignored again and thus it is likely, that the reaction will make things worse again. Not to be able to learn from history is not an US of A monopoly.

But if there will be any proove, that the USA was somehow involved in the coupe (is that really what you say? What does "TPTB" or "do-do" mean?), then that would be the end of NATO. If a treaty member is involved in a coupe in another democratic member then not only Turkey will leave that "treaty"...

Regarding Turkey and Russia: Not sure how it will end, but it looks like Russia-Assad are winning against Turkey-various-Islamists and Turkey-Islamists vs. Curds-Europeans also is not looking good. Maybe Erdogan just gives up and realizes, that autocrats are better partners for autocrats then complicated governments?

However, Europe is concerned. Istanbul is part of Europe and millions of Turkish people are living in Germany. Tomorrow there will be a demonstration in Cologne initiated by AKP: ~30 thousands people will demonstrate against the coupe. Right-wing lokal extremes, left wing autonomes and liberals will demonstrate against Erdogan at the same time - it will get "interesting". No simple answers are useful these days, we have to draw more complicated pictures and we have to try to understand before we start any wrong actions.

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The rest / Re: Europe - Collapse dynamics
« on: July 25, 2016, 01:47:42 PM »
JimD, also for me it is very valuable to discuss with you such things: To see the real things it is important to look at them from various different positions.

Why did I say "ignore economics"? Of course AGW and economics are closely related. But non of todays signs for possible collpase dynamics in Europe are AGW related - the weather is still fine here. I mean simple economic numbers like GDP should be ignored, since they are misleading and too BAU'ish. To stress my points a bit more: You know we discussed elsewhere the usual collapse dynamics and you know, how our last collapse evolved. So I am looking at the things from that perspective and see such things on the rise again. Not that I am not able to see different possibile future routes, but I think thoose others are just not very likely today (or next 10 years) as the following:

The last collapse here was initiated by a takeover of a aggressive populistic extreme left-right-wing party (national socialists = Nazi) and accompanied by lies blaming others for all the evil (the globalized rich 1%, the jews, the gypsis, "other kind" of people). So I see similar tendencies today as probable signs for a collapse here:

* Blaming "EU managers" like you (and many others theese days) do is just a lie. You may ignore the legal set-up of EU as you stated. But ignoring that all decisions in EU are made by the governments of the countries and the very same politicians after that blame "the EU" for that decision is just an evil lie. I feel such behaviour is a possible seed for collapse and thus I try to fight it by explaining the facts. There are no "EU managers" and there is no EU government other than the managers/governments of the countries. So blame them and only them.

* Blaming refugees or other people for the unfair results for poor people here is a lie. Blame the existing people here for doing unfair things or making unfair laws. Blame USA for destroing the peoples governments during the wars for terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and paving the way for the IS. We have the choice to let them die or let them in. If humanity has any value we should help and let them in.

* What is happening in Turkey today is very worring and reminds me (and my relatives living in Istanbul) to very similar things happening in Germany before initiating the last collapse: Division of powers is terminated, freedom of press is gone, judges are in jail, teachers are fired, academic people are not allowed to travel and normal people fear to talk about their opinion. This is a thread just at our door. Other aggressive reactionists are present in Russia and Belarus or on the rise in Hungary and as international left-right-wing parties all over in Europe. We have to fight such developments even more insistently than the British did the last time. And we should do that together without weakening each other by dividing the democratic countries.

PS: JimD, our main difference was about the idea, that an intentional collapse could be helpful (by AGW, nuclear war or a virus...). We should not discuss that point because we can not come together anyway and it hurts me just too much. If inhuman actions would be necessary to rescue humanity I would prefer exactly not to do that and to go extinct due to failure. A suicide/murder is a possible cure for any disease but... I do not want to discuss this point with you. But I really love to discuss everything else with you and learn a lot. I love learning to increase complexity as much as possible.

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