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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 17, 2016, 03:07:41 PM »
If anyone has any more info on the rapid rate of bottom melt in the peripheral oceans reported by the DMI, would like to learn more about it.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 17, 2016, 02:14:35 PM »
I know that is the thread we are on here, to discuss what will be the final outcome of this season number-wise. However, we are in a bad situation either way. Many experts believe that even if you stopped all carbon emissions now, immediately,the feedback loops already in action are self sustaining. And the impact of recently released ghgs have not even fully kicked in yet and gimmicks that prevent a ton or so of co2 is not the answer. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy hearing everybody make educated guesses about the outcome of this years melt season, but we got to remember it is only part of the picture.

Do you freshwater fish by chance? You probably don't but if you did you'd notice in many lakes a fish die off especially after a heatwave. Why is this? Simple really cold water holds dissolved gasses like CO2 and Oxygen in the water. The oceans are a giant carbon sink in other words. This premise is my biggest problem behind the whole CO2 greenhouse gas argument the fact I just stated is undeniably true you can test it out in any fish tank. Warm water releases the dissolved gasses into the atmosphere hence CO2 has to trail temperature. It is the result of warming not the cause just ask any fishermen who has seen this phenomenon. The planet has been warmer undeniably so what has caused it if not CO2? I side with the folks that say solar cycles and the sun drives the climate and the oceans. The Earth has an energy budget and the fools who think that there's is just a 1% variance on the total radiation emitted from the sun between cycles are just that fools. More and more it also appears that atmospheric compression events are happening much more frequently and its becoming clearer that Henrik Svensmark's theory on cosmic rays seeding clouds is correct. Just do an analysis of cloud cover on the planet from 2000-2015 you'd see much more cloud cover now.

So basically, you are saying that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas? Really!!!

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 17, 2016, 07:07:35 AM »
  ?   Eureka is claiming just 13.9'C atm as today's highest temperature ..

I think there may be a transcription error.  They are currently showing 14C(which I suppose could be mistaken for 19).  Even so, 14C sets a new record high for the date.

A toasty 14.2 this evening, and still 14C at 11pm at night. Given the location and date, those temperatures are phenomenal.

And if you are still not impressed, look at a map. Eureka, Nanavut is at about 80 deg Latitude, well into the Arctic

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 17, 2016, 05:44:39 AM »
It seems as though the heat is starting to build exponentially via feedback loops and Arctic amplification is not helping.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 16, 2016, 05:35:34 PM »
I know that is the thread we are on here, to discuss what will be the final outcome of this season number-wise. However, we are in a bad situation either way. Many experts believe that even if you stopped all carbon emissions now, immediately,the feedback loops already in action are self sustaining. And the impact of recently released ghgs have not even fully kicked in yet and gimmicks that prevent a ton or so of co2 is not the answer. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy hearing everybody make educated guesses about the outcome of this years melt season, but we got to remember it is only part of the picture.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: IJIS
« on: June 16, 2016, 07:21:33 AM »
I have not been on here that long, and don't carry a lot of weight with my opinion, but I have to agree with bbr2314. We have not seen the full brunt of what's going to happen this year. It's just getting started good and a lot of these feedback loops are starting out with more momentum earlier on.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 15, 2016, 07:24:08 PM »
Does anybody have any idea how to get a measure of all the river water reaching the Arctic? I read somewhere that a total of 72 rivers dump into it overall. Some of these are coming from areas of land that have lost the albedo of snow cover a little sooner this year. We have seen the effects near some of the main deltas. However, it would be interesting to get the bigger picture of this year compared to past years; or is a negligent amount?

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 15, 2016, 07:11:55 PM »
Well, I have a gut feeling Gray-Wolf is right. The ice is too busted up and being dispersed. There is too much heat in the system, with more coming. It will not take but just a little help from direct sunlight for just a few days. Might not break the record, but it will be interesting to see how close it gets.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 15, 2016, 06:27:42 AM »
JAXA reported it about an hour ago. P.S. it got up to 85 deg F near the Mckenzie River Delta yesterday(13th where I am,as its still the 14th here now) and one spot in Siberia reached 98 F, according to the Arctic-News.blogspot.com                                                                                                                                  Sorry,I think my data has jet lag. Maybe I will try a new courier for SIE data.             

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 15, 2016, 05:41:36 AM »
If it still matters about pure and simple extent anymore, with everything being so crazy now, SIE took a pretty good drop today of 76k+. I don't think it will be too long before it all becomes more straight foward again.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 13, 2016, 06:39:39 AM »
Somehow had 10,190,someodd sqkm. Must have got numbers an extra day old

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 13, 2016, 05:36:36 AM »
JAXA revealed 60k sq. km drop in SIE today. Seems to be picking back up again.

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Greenland and Arctic Circle / Re: Greenland 2016 Melt Season
« on: June 13, 2016, 04:27:24 AM »
If that trend continues, I'm sure we will have to pay more attention.If anyone hasn't seen the clip on Youtube of Kangerlussuaq, Greenland from July 12,2012 of the bridge over Watson River washing out from melt water runoff and a tractor getting carried off, might want to look it up. This year might be worse.

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Greenland and Arctic Circle / Re: Greenland 2016 Melt Season
« on: June 13, 2016, 02:26:40 AM »
GRACE is the NASA program for measuring the ice both for Greenland and Antarctica. They rarely update their official site, other than stating that 280 billion metric tons a year are melting with regard to Greenland alone, including what calves off and melts as icebergs later. Funny thing is, I watched an interview of the GRACE programs leader, who stated that the number is about 330 billion metric tons a year,again Greenland only. So, I think the site info needs updated. If anyone knows of another site that gives monthly or more frequent info, it would be great to know.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 12, 2016, 05:40:37 AM »
JAXA has shown steady drops in the extent for the last few days. Nothing too great. 40k one day, 41k the next, and about 35k today. At least for the time being, I think their numbers are the most reliable.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 11, 2016, 11:54:43 PM »
Maybe soot;there are huge fires in Siberia and one Still going in Alberta. Not to mention all the small ones.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 10, 2016, 04:57:09 AM »
Back on the 6th Neven had a perfect explanation and visual demonstration as to why the extent was stalling. I don't know what the satellite is showing now, as to whether the ice is still being spread. Maybe someone a little more dexterous with satellite imaging than myself can update us. Also, has anyone heard any more about a cyclone that is supposed to develope ??

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 10, 2016, 12:59:09 AM »
As several people more knowledgeable than myself have pointed out, you can not just look at the extent numbers. So much of the ice has been broken up and spread out by winds. It will take a few days or a couple weeks to get a true measure of the real damage that has been done and how it will influence the overall season.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 09, 2016, 08:02:21 PM »
Heatwaves of unprecedented duration are predicted all summer for the U.K. and other parts of Europe. The U.S. has one spreading across it now.Record areas of ocean water are now 86 F plus. Wildfires are on a pace to release astronomical amounts of energy this year, burning in Alaska, Canada, and Siberia,with smaller ones elsewhere. I don't know how fast whatever portion of this energy that will make its way there will get to the Arctic, but I  don't think this year is to be compared to any previous one. I think however low the extent gets by September, there will definitely be a record low maximum to follow early next year.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2016 melting season
« on: June 08, 2016, 05:43:33 AM »
for all of us that have been waiting JAXA finally showed a little better than 30k sq.km drop in SIE today

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