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Policy and solutions / Re: Aviation
« on: August 15, 2019, 11:55:20 PM »
'Flying-V' plane named after a GUITAR burns 20 per cent less fuel than conventional aircraft and can carry more than 300 passengers

Dutch airline KLM are funding a pioneering aeronautical project which could see the shape and layout of commercial aeroplanes changed forever. 

The stunning 'Flying-V' design, financially backed by KLM, has the same wingspan as existing planes and is able to carry up to 314 passengers.

It is named after the iconic Gibson Flying-V electric guitar


Its designers say this unique configuration uses 20 per cent less fuel. The wings would host the passenger space, cargo hold, fuel tanks and all other infrastructure, it is believed.


Its size makes it a comparable rival to the traditional Airbus A350 and the Boeing 787 and it would be able to use existing gates, hangars and runways

for details and a video see:

The consequence of designing planes consuming less and carrying more passengers is counterintuitive. This is resulting in cheaper tickets due to lower cost and air travel competition. The resulting increase in number of planes outpace the energy consumption reduction. A real reduction in air travel greenhouse gas emissions can only be implemented through quota of planes by airlines, and limiting the number of planes flying on a worldwide basis. A company who would like to expand would have to buy existing quota/rights from another competitor

Consequences / Re: Health Effects of Climate Change
« on: August 15, 2019, 10:57:08 PM »
Canadian Paediatric Society: Children's Health vulnerable to AGW
The Canadian Paediatric Society says it expects climate change to increasingly affect children's health and is encouraging health-care providers to press all levels of government for measures that curb it.
The society's new guidance paper points to emerging health issues for kids that include heat-sickness, reduced air quality and contaminated water sources.
It also says natural hazards and extreme weather can raise longer-term mental health effects for kids, especially if families are displaced or lose their homes, if relatives die, or if children's health care and schooling is interrupted.

Ugandan malaria spike caused by AGW:
Uganda’s health ministry has said a sharp rise in malaria is partly attributable to climate change, after more than one million people contracted the disease within the past two months.
This shows an increase of 40 per cent on this period in 2018, according to the government.

Thank god it's just those damn kids.
We need to divert all possible resources to geriatric studies and care.
Hurry, there may not be much time left!
Terry 8)

Consequences / Re: Population: Public Enemy No. 1
« on: August 12, 2019, 08:57:44 PM »
bbr, there is no way to disprove your historical argument.  The French Revolution contributed to all the trends you mention.  But had it not happened in that time and place, you cannot conclude that humanity would not have over-exploited fossil fuels and landed us in the mess we're in anyway.

wili, yes, the global consumption class (top 10? %) bears the most culpability.  But the powers that be are working overtime to spread the consumption flu to billions of willing, eager converts.  No one in their right mind blames the bottom third, no matter what their population growth rate is.

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: August 10, 2019, 07:24:16 AM »
No doubt about it Wili! Wayne and Joe worked on Miles Davis's album; "Bitches Brew"

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: August 09, 2019, 09:36:03 PM »
Dear Abby  (for those not in the know, she was for decades an advice columnists in the US) … Woops, wrong thread …  :-[
Hello everybody, I've decided to join this forum after many years of daily lurking and reading! :)
Mleary claims to have been reading our wisdom (and, uh, other postings) for "many years".  So why all the advice giving?  :o  I'll just guess he already has each of us pegged!  :P

And welcome, Mleary, to our varying degrees of dysfunction.   ;)

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: August 09, 2019, 08:54:01 PM »
The 1.5 degrees UN IPCC report is politicized soft-denial, as have all such reports been for at least 10 years. They assume gargantuan amounts of carbon dioxide removal from the atmosphere, use a ridiculously low risk tolerance (i.e. 66% and 50% confidence intervals vs. the 95% and 99% ones used in most risk management), make too-low assumptions for Earth System sensitivity to GHGs, and ignore non-linear possibilities (e.g. a Blue Ocean Event), etc.

AbruptSLRs posts are a great source of education on the overly-conservative assumptions of the UN IPCC. It does seem that for the next report (2022) even they may have to accept some of the failings in their take on climate science. I won't hold my breath though, they have been failing since 1990 while making such optimistic prognostications.

Hard Denial: Anthropocentric Climate Change Is Not Happening
Soft Denial: Anthropocentric Climate Change Is Happening BUT We Can Spin Fairy Stories About How We Can Fix It Whilst Keeping Growing the Global Economy At 3% Per Year.

I will now go back on topic to renewable energy (before the topic police notice).

The rest / Re: Leftism is a greater threat than climate change
« on: August 07, 2019, 11:29:14 PM »
I really wish you wouldn't, this kind of idiocy makes us all dumber just by reading it.

The rest / Re: Leftism is a greater threat than climate change
« on: August 07, 2019, 10:51:16 PM »
I really wish you wouldn't, this kind of idiocy makes us all dumber just by reading it.

The rest / Re: Eco-Fascism - what kind of a rotten fruit is that
« on: August 05, 2019, 09:12:14 PM »
That is only the city of Brussels, that's like 10 % of the population. That 17 000 comes from the US government, and they were talking about murders and manslaughter. I think it was a number from the FBI, not sure of it. But it was a government website. It did not look fake. And probably the differance is even a little higher. Because here they try to put as less as possible people in jail. To support the idea that you don't become a better person in jail. So if there is a grey zone......And if you look at the prison population in the US, It's a giant population. I don't know for Belgium, but i do know for germany. For every german in prison, you have 7 americans in prison. So in case of a grey zone....
Oops yes Brussels is not Belgium, because it's so hard to believe what you're saying I did research a bit more and found a better explanation, in Belgium a murder attempt is counted as doodslag, Antwerpen for example only had 14 'successful' murders out of 134 attempts which are included in your number.

Policy and solutions / Re: Space colonization
« on: August 03, 2019, 08:42:01 PM »
... many people today fail to appreciate how difficult it’ll be to sustain colonies on the Red Planet.

We have sustained a small “colony” on the International Space Station for 20 years.

I don't think you understand what a colony is. You need relationships with the ecosystem around you to have a colony. No ecosystem, no colony.

In todays world of detached nonsense, it is easy to forget the biological basis of life.

Perhaps a colony of mites, a colony of bacteria that somehow escaped sterilization efforts? It sounds very unlikely, but -


Policy and solutions / Re: Space colonization
« on: August 03, 2019, 03:20:04 PM »
Why would thermodynamics change in space ??? The magnitude of the various phenomena will, but thermodynamics ? I am disappointed of today's scientific writers.....

Walking the walk / Re: When was the last flight you took?
« on: August 02, 2019, 12:26:00 AM »
Driving from New York to Iceland would be very low carbon emission (because I wouldn't get far before drowning). Likewise driving to Vancouver (because I wouldn't have time to). Also I don't have a bunch of passengers who want to take exactly the same trips.

Walking the walk / Re: When was the last flight you took?
« on: August 02, 2019, 12:20:22 AM »
Dr. T: There are lots of variables, but:

"if you are driving a hybrid with a bunch of are “four to five times as efficient as a plane over a similar distance."

Ok, as was said before I dont know many instances that a car and plane are both an equivalent choice and the plane is preferred. So I dont know if the whole thing is even a valid comparison and argument. Especially for transcontinent and transatlantic trips.  Tourism started with the decrease of travel (general travel) costs. Before airplanes we had coal fired trains and ships.

Policy and solutions / Re: Space colonization
« on: August 01, 2019, 08:19:01 PM »
And they are in a line to get there.

If you want to live somewhere you have to grow your own food so you only have to fly in the technical supplies. Then you need to built material from local so some mining and industry if you want to expand.

But how do you grow all the food you want? You cannot start from just seeds because you would miss all the co evolved bacteria and fungi in the soil. So you might want to bring some soil for seeding. Then you still have no animals.

No Brie no colony! (for me)

Policy and solutions / Re: Space colonization
« on: August 01, 2019, 03:22:27 PM »
'Antarctica would be easier to live on than Mars' and 'there are only bases for temporary research purposes' are being used for why it doesn't make sense for people to go to live on Mars.

But does

make it rather difficult with requirements such as:

Article 8 requires environmental assessment for all activities, including tourism.
Article 3 states that protection of the Antarctic environment as a wilderness with aesthetic and scientific value shall be a "fundamental consideration" of activities in the area.
"Any activity relating to mineral resources, other than scientific research, shall be prohibited.

If you can't use the resources there, why go live there?

The other example used is living permanently underwater. Does this make sense? If you can get there in a sub and get back to the surface even if you need slow depressurisation for a week, and this allows you to do what you want while there, is there much reason to go live there when it is easier to live on surface?

By comparison, if you can use the resources on Mars and it is not easy to travel back and forth (several months not just a week), does this give an incentive to go there and develop a colony?

Policy and solutions / Re: Space colonization
« on: August 01, 2019, 02:40:47 PM »
Will Antarctica be colonizable with AGW?

With everybody else underwater sure...


Don't be so hard on the have nots. It wasn't them that brought us to where we are.

If all of the world cut their emissions by 30% by 2030 it wouldn't do much to help. If some kid in Kenya gets to live in a house, he may have a few years of happiness before the crap we ignited burns everything down. What moral right have we to send him back to the jungle?


Policy and solutions / Re: Space colonization
« on: July 26, 2019, 02:14:10 AM »
SH, what took you so long!  :D

Wasn't paying attention?

Arctic sea ice / Re: When will the Arctic Go Ice Free?
« on: July 25, 2019, 10:57:12 PM »
Just finished an exhausting forced march through this thread since my last visit. That's 40 minutes of my life I will never get back. When I would stumble upon a comment that actually had content, I struggled to connect with it due to the morass of detritus that preceded it.

Consequences / Re: Population: Public Enemy No. 1
« on: July 24, 2019, 07:13:41 PM »
How to manage population growth:
- Support female education and employment
- Support access to family planning. If you're in the USA, this means supporting the dems... because the practical impact of the republican party's mexico city policy blocking all US gvt funds to anyone who has anything to do with abortion means that most organisations providing any kind of family planning don't qualify. Which, paradoxically, not only leads to more babies but often also to more abortions, since that's what happens if you cut your funding to people providing contraception.

Consequences / Re: Population: Public Enemy No. 1
« on: July 24, 2019, 06:49:49 PM »
We must stop population growth:
Blaming too many poor black and brown people for the sins of the wealthy white elite.

If we could just sterilize "them", we could fly our private jets about without facing the condemnation of our peers.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 11, 2019, 08:03:17 PM »
Wow...I was looking at the satellite imagery and didn't realize that the entire state of Alaska is just completely engulfed in smoke. I've never seen it so bad there :(

Get an idea about upcoming production quality, just published this feature film

Watch full version 40 mins length

should have a scenario where we try geo-engineering , and it works !

It's a video game, not a marketing campaign for big oil. ;)

Policy and solutions / Re: Extinction Rebellion
« on: May 10, 2019, 12:55:08 PM »
I was in "international development" for a long time. Very depressing watching NGO's being swallowed into the Government controlled bi-lateral and and multi-lateral systems, losing their independence and ability to challenge the status quo.

Maybe this time will be different? (Did I hear hollow laughter from the back? Yes, it was my daughter).

Policy and solutions / Re: Extinction Rebellion
« on: May 10, 2019, 08:16:29 AM »
You reminded me of this wili:
There's at least three in here who don't consider themselves as fools.  ???

Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: May 03, 2019, 11:19:06 AM »
la la lurkland .. blah blah blah .. b.c.

Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: May 03, 2019, 07:56:15 AM »
12 consecutive posts. You are spamming this thread.

Yes, we can.

 Can we please stop this nonsense and close the thread?


The rest / Re: Good music
« on: March 01, 2019, 11:54:40 PM »
1974. A young Bonnie Raitt singing John Prine's "Angel from Montgomery"


Glaciers / Re: Glaciers worldwide decline faster than ever
« on: January 22, 2019, 10:24:14 PM »
N. American glacier mass waste increases fourfold in ten years:

"We observe a fourfold increase in mass loss rates between 2000–2009 [ 2.9 ± 3.1 Gt yr 1 ] and 2009–2018 [ 12.3 ± 4.6 Gt yr 1 ]"

Thats a doubling period of about 9 yr.


"Our estimated rate of WNA mass change for the early period ( 2.9 ± 3.1 Gt/yr ) is considerably less negative than the rate ( 14 ± 3 Gt/yr) previously reported for the period 2003–2009 (Gardner et al., 2013)."

"Using available SMB measurements for 14 glaciers in WNA (supporting information S1), we calculate an average mass change of 874 ± 100 kg m^2/yr over the period 2000–2017. When multiplied by the total glacierized area of WNA, this value yields an annual mass loss of 13.6 ± 4.3 Gt/yr , close to the value (14 ± 3 Gt/yr ) calculated by Gardner et al. (2013) using a similar approach. These values are twice as large as those based on our trend analysis. This discrepancy suggests that glaciers chosen for long-term monitoring programs are losing mass more rapidly than the region as a whole."

Open access, read all about it: Menunos et al doi:10.1029/2018GL080942  . Pelto is an author as might be suspected.


Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: January 06, 2019, 06:36:25 PM »

i completely agree and want to add an infamous quote:

Let them eat cake!

The politics / Re: Empire - America and the future
« on: December 05, 2018, 03:12:49 AM »
There may soon come a time where I start banning people as well, who are unwilling to discuss underlying causes and oppose radical solutions to systemic problems. Especially if they display (neo)conservative tendencies, like you do, either consciously or subconsciously.

Again, if you can't even admit something as simple as George Bush being a war criminal, it may be best that you start looking for a forum that is more to your liking, or at least restrict your presence to the Arctic Sea Ice board. I think it would be better for you, and it would definitely be less tiresome and depressing for me.
Neven I have publicly predicted a long while ago that the proliferation of politics on this forum will destroy it. I am marking your post as a milestone. As you are the owner, you may not care and decide that is okay. But it's a pity really. The whole Internet is filled up with politics and political trolls. And yes, almost anybody posting incessantly in these threads is basically a troll, begging your pardon. Nothing is achieved except feeding the trolls on the "other side", whatever it may be.
But there are very few well-moderated denier-less forums dedicated to arctic sea ice, AGW, SLR, sustainability, carrying capacity, long-term trends, and all the science behind it all. But this will be gone in order to bring in useless political rants that go nowhere and convince no one.
I have asked you time and again to split the forum, start a forum on politics - with different aliases to avoid the cross-contamination of emotions, and leave the poor ASIF free of this garbage. It's 100% your call, I am just disappointed in it. Very much so.
Now I know that you say repeatedly that just the science is not enough, but a systemic social change is needed. Granted, the borders between the science, economics and politics are somewhat ambiguous, but surely fighting over whether Russia or Ukraine are the bad guys in some tiny conflagration somewhere is outside the scope, and there are many other examples. Far too many to list.
It was JimD who started some of the political threads on the ASIF - such as this Empire thread. But JimD knew how to state his opinion clearly, tie it to the long-term trends that are in the scope of this forum, and be done with it. His posts never felt irrelevant or repetitive, but now I'm sorry he opened the door and then went away. Can you imagine JimD arguing over whether Bellingcat or RT are the true bible? I am ashamed that this is going on in a forum I spend so much time on. And I am certain I am far from being the only one who feels that way.
I will let this sad post go now. Do with it what you will.

Permafrost / Re: Arctic Methane Release
« on: November 29, 2018, 12:01:04 PM »
When I was a child my tonsils were taken out because scientists said that it was a "useless" organ that is only causing problems. Turns out it has an important part in the immune system. Too bad for me, I have no tonsils anymore.
When I was a child they said that it was unnecessary to feed children mother's milk after 6 weeks, because infant nutrition formulas are better. Turns out, it is completely wrong for many reasons.

In both cases common sense and the biological history of mankind would have said that scientists are talking nonsense, mother's milk is the best for children, and there are hardly any "useless" organs.

The same is true for this methane bomb threat. Yes, there might be some scientific findings that make methane klathrates a huge threat but the history of the past few million years says that (despite warmer temperatures and less arctic ice) it has never caused any runaway processes. The logical conclusion (to me) is that this will also be true this time (of course everyone is entitled to his/her opinion).

CO2 will cause significant warming this century, probably well beyond what is hoped for in the Paris agreement yet it does not necessarily mean that we are doomed and runaway processes will start. Remember that we even had 2000 ppm Co2 50 mln yrs ago without runaway processes.

Also, someone brought up on this thread that he expects a global food shortage in 2yrs. No reasons given other than the methane catastrophe. I think scaremongering like this discredit the whole movement for a more sustainable human life (which includes phasing out carbon as an energy source but many many other things as well!).

Policy and solutions / Re: Becoming Vegan.
« on: November 25, 2018, 10:52:25 AM »
Had a second look at this company. Apparently - appart from all the local greenwash bullshit around Boston - they have also landed a 40 million USD contract delivering fresh produce to Emirates. A new vertical farm installment in Dubai will now deliver 3 tons a day to transcontinental flight passengers. Nice to know that it is "local produce", when you land in Auckland.

The rest / Re: Systemic Isolation
« on: November 20, 2018, 01:49:39 PM »
A great loss for ASIF.  Besides this transcendental thread, AbruptSLR has gems like his El niño watch, and conservative scientists debunking thread.

AbruptSLR elevated ASIF considerably. His posts revealed a great mind. AbruptSLR will be missed. 

The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: November 16, 2018, 12:02:22 PM »
Everybody in Washington likes the Saudis (and Israelis) because of the b/trillions of dollars they pay for US bombs and rockets.

This is what needs to be focussed on, because it's not just about fighting Trump, but about changing the system at the same time:

U.S. Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Joins Environmental Activists in Protest at Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi’s Office
The proposed committee would, among other things, establish a 10-year plan to transition the U.S. economy to become carbon neutral, according to draft legislation that the activists presented to Pelosi’s office. The activists are also pushing Democratic leaders to reject campaign contributions from fossil fuel industry groups. “We need every person who is going to claim the mantle of Democratic leadership to take the no fossil fuel money pledge,” Prakash said at the sit-in outside Pelosi’s office.

Ocasio-Cortez’s decision to join the protesters and march on her own House leader sets a tone of urgency and combativeness that is rare on Capitol Hill. Walking into the Cannon House Office Building, she told The Intercept something new had to be tried. “The way things are done has not been getting results. We have to try new methods,” she said. ...

Consequences / Re: Wildfires
« on: November 13, 2018, 08:15:32 PM »
There has been no proof that wildfires and global warming have any connection besides in the media. There is more cost of damage because there are more people and more property than before.

Yes, it's all a coincidence. Let's just wait until the proof is in...  ::)

there is already enough proof and i as well vote to put most weight and energy to communicate clear cases than provide ammunition the the retarded who question anything without proof and catch the vast majority with no own knowledge and opinion.

BTW that is exactly of what trumps followership consists, of a vast number of people who fall for what they want to hear and doubt any facts even those with proof (lying to themselves)

i think it's clear what i want to say, doomsday pictures about things that would happen perhaps less often but still happen even when i new ice age would approach, are not best suited to convince the big REST of the population.

Consequences / Re: Wildfires
« on: November 13, 2018, 07:40:30 PM »
Wildfires are likely to continue to outpace recent projections because the underlying global climate models used underestimate precipitation changes in California, including periods of prolonged drought.

California’s Wildfire and Climate Change Warnings Are Still Too Conservative, Scientist Says

Well. What just happened?
I'm not sure why you're so surprised.  I objected to Dore's style and pushing rhetoric like Feinstein=Gingrich.  I have stated many times that I agree with most of his policy goals.  One key difference is that I supported Clinton over Trump (but also Bernie over Clinton).  Other than that, I have simply analyzed the America that I see.  You seemed to mistake it for the America I want.

Then all the POLLS must be wrong.
Some of the polls are probably wrong.  Most are probably right.  How we interpret them is a different matter.

Single payer healthcare and medicare for all are not necessarily the same thing.  A great majority wants medicare for all, but when it is actually proposed and paired with a federal tax hike, support dwindles.  Medicare for all (or "public option") preserves private health insurance.  Single payer does not.
Medicare-for-all gets nearly two-thirds support, but a “single-payer health insurance system” is a little more divisive: 48 percent have a positive reaction, and 32 percent have a negative reaction; the gap between favor and disfavor closes considerably. Medicare buy-ins poll the highest, with the support of three-fourths of Americans, including 6 out of 10 Republicans.

You could absolutely argue these numbers still seem pretty strong for single-payer described as such, given the conventional wisdom that such a plan is unworkable. But it is undoubtedly true that Medicare-for-all, as a slogan, is more popular — as are some of these more incremental policies, like giving people the option of buying into Medicare.

Same with free college tuition.  Conservatives want that too.  But they don't want to raise their taxes to pay for it.
Just 57 percent of free higher ed supporters would agree to coughing up more for Uncle Sam to get there.

That's the main point I am making.  Conservatives support progressive ideas generally, but are opposed to the costs of their implementation.  It's a problem that can't be wished away.

Consequences / Re: Wildfires
« on: November 10, 2018, 02:48:01 PM »
Unlikely to make a difference, unfortunately. Check out Trump's tweet:

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!
I am absolutely no fan from Trump but here hé has a point.
Every year there are big fires in California and every time it seems to be a surprise. You can do nothing and blame Global warming or you can act on it and try to prevent.
I am living in the Netherlands and this would never happen over here.

No, Trump doesn't have a point. Trump's pissed because California is a progressive state that can't stand him or his policies. It's a state that kicked his ass in 2016, and kicked it even harder last Tuesday. It's a state that has Hollywood and Silicon Valley, places that neither need nor want his and the GOP's regressive bullshit. It's a state with millions of minorities. His tone-deaf, brain-dead, asshole remarks about the fires weren't to make a point; they were to childishly lash out against tens of millions of people who will never bow and scrape before him. Period.

From a strictly logical point of view, blaming forestry mismanagement for the rapidly increasing number of large, destructive, and deadly blazes in the state (and entire Southwest) is about as stupid as blaming Oklahoma farmers for tornadoes.

The man is an imbecile.

Consequences / Re: Wildfires
« on: November 10, 2018, 01:23:30 PM »
I have expressed my views privately to Neven and Jim P, so all I will say is I concur with Gerontocrat completely on this. In my opinion, the original post nr 605 contained no redeeming rationale whatsoever. For the record I consider the planet's situation as nothing less than an energing existential crisis, happening mostly in slow motion - I am no denier. However, there are better ways to wish for people to become activated - not wishing harm or suffering, or suggesting it would helpful for it to happen here or there.

Consequences / Re: Wildfires
« on: November 10, 2018, 12:51:43 PM »
Because Lurk has responded, I'll let the FO stand.

Is it such a controversial opinion to say that if catastrophes are needed to wake people up (both climate risk deniers and 'moderates' who believe AGW is real, but essentially don't want to see the status quo changed in any menaingful way), then so be it? I mean, it's out of our hands anyway.

Maybe Lurk has a point - there is a saying "it it ain't broke, don't fix it". This can be changed to "people won't fix it 'til it's broke".

However, to gloat over an event which included people being burnt to death while trying to escape in their autos does not seem acceptable, at least to me.

Quote from Lurk:-
If a few have to die, to sacrifice themselves for the greater long term good of Billions and the planet herself, so be it. I'm not going to cry over it.

That comment could have come from just about any tin-pot dictator.

I take it you support Pelosi and Feinstein?
Nope.  I think both should be replaced.  Pelosi being leader for 15 years is reason enough.  But I don't have a preconceived loathing of them, which is what's required to think Dore is funny or insightful in those clips.

His main ethos (which you obviously share) seems to be that running on progressive ideas like medicare for all and free college tuition will win elections.  I support those positions, but assuming that corporate democrats, independents, and conservatives are going to suddenly come to their senses is magical thinking.  78 Justice Democrats tried that, and less than 10% were elected to office.  American ideas are deeply entrenched.  Unless you want to murder the over 55 white population, socialism has a very steep path to gain a majority.  There are too many American-exceptionalist theocrats.  Progressive ideas will grow mostly through demographic change, which will take time.  Some pieces will come sooner, probably medicare for all.  Someone like Bernie may win the presidency, but socialists won't get control of government without help from Democrats in red states.  We should promote socialism, but pontificating like Dore is a waste of time.

Lurk telling me about sophistry and logical fallacies makes me laugh more than Dore.

The politics / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: November 09, 2018, 03:40:08 PM »
Trump would like the US to become more like Putin's Russia where journalist who ask difficult questions are murdered.

Oh really?
President Trump would like journalists who ask difficult questions murdered.
How nice of you to say so.

I sure do hope the NSA has 'your number' and are keeping an eye on you ..... and I do hope Neven didn't 'cull' my little comment on Paranoia. Such basic education to raise awareness really is needed imo.

Noted: You can't quote me without subtly changing my words

Also noted is that a comparison of Trumps direction and Putin's reality is what lights your fire.

As for your subtle threat about the NSA I think I'm OK as long as I don't mention Bomb, President, IED, attack, plane, Jihad, Allah, Plutonium or detonator especially in one sentence and post that online. And as for paranoia I use my real name and my profile has my E-Mail address with my domain that is easily traceable. I have nothing to hide do you?   

What's your real name Lurk?, what are your hiding from from?

The politics / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: November 09, 2018, 01:24:07 PM »

It's pretty clear the WH doctored the video.
One more time- it wasn't the WH. And Acosta was being an ass.

It wasn't the Whitehouse but they still haven't apologised for peddling a lie or admitted their mistake. Yet here you are defending them.

What you are defending is a would be tyrant who is trying to overpower one of the fundamental pillars of democracy. Until now the executive was answerable to the people in some way, Trump would like the US to become more like Putin's Russia where journalist who ask difficult questions are murdered. If people don't stand up to him this is what will happen and those that enable him in any way must be opposed.

PS Don't bother with a reply to me, I have had my say and just don't have time to waste on you.

The politics / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: November 09, 2018, 01:09:16 PM »
There is NOTHING that is below lying fake Christian Sarah Huckabee.  Nothing.  I hope she enjoys her last year/months lying from the podium.  The good thing for her is that FOX News is always looking for a few fake Christians to lie for them.  She should have no problem working for them.  She will fit in perfectly.

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