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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: September 10, 2019, 08:19:18 AM »
^^
The Musk family is certainly no stranger to the mining business.  :-\
It was after all Musk Emeralds that allowed them to live the opulent lifestyle they enjoyed and that fronted Elon's Empire.
I've no doubt that lessons learned digging for African Emeralds can be applied to Congolese Cobalt.
Terry

I'm not sure what your agenda is, Terry, but whatever it is, it ain't pretty.

Tesla has at this point the lowest Cobalt content of any battery supplier around :
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-batteries-cobalt-volkswagen/

and Elon has repeatedly stated he wants to get rid of Cobalt in his batteries altogether :
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/17/teslas-cobalt-usage-to-drop-from-3-today-to-0-elon-commits/

It may not be easy to do so, since it may create performance and safety issues
https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/21/17488626/elon-musk-cobalt-electric-vehicle-battery-science

But to smear Elon for having Cobalt in his batteries is a new low, even for you Terry.

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The politics / Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« on: September 10, 2019, 07:19:00 AM »
I've been deleting a lot of posts by Gumbercules because they only lead to nothing good, but I thought there was a very funny contradiction in two subsequent comments:

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Leftists do not care about coherence. They don't care about anything but power. They resent the fact you even have the right to express your opinion. And you can feel it. They HATE you. And if we give them power they will murder you, as history proves they do.

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The special prosecutor is a traitor and if there were any justice in this world he's be executed in public.
It would seem Gumbercules is a leftist.  ;D

Sorry, Gumbercules, but I just had to share this.

And it would seem that you, Neven, are not.

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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: September 10, 2019, 07:05:41 AM »
Very interesting pre-trump talk with Mark Blyth. Not that his predictions are correct (so far) because trump obviously never delivered on his promises, but the analysis is worth hearing indeed.

That video is from March 2018.
What do you mean with "pre-trump" talk with Mark Blyth ?

104
Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: September 07, 2019, 09:19:32 AM »

Porsche Taycan vs Tesla Model S - How Does It Stack Up?


105
The politics / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: September 01, 2019, 07:23:08 AM »
Here is a GREAT effort to examine mis-information on social media :

https://medium.com/@katestarbird/content-sharing-within-the-alternative-media-echo-system-the-case-of-the-white-helmets-f34434325e77

This study analyses the reports in social media (specifically Twitter) about the White Helmets, a first-responders group in Syria, which records all their operations, and as a result records the Syrian war as perceived from the ground, documenting all the war-crimes of the Assad regime and their Russian military support.

Assad and Russia don't like that, and thus the Syrian and Russian media mounted a relentless propaganda effort to discredit the White Helmets, and portray them as a "terrorist organization" (without a single thread of evidence).

The researchers found a very clear separation of mainstream media (who report mostly positively about the Syrian First Responders group), and a group of "alternative" media driven mostly by Russian, Syrian and Iranian state media centers, but fanning out into a wide group of web-sites and news outlets that form an echo chamber harshly negative of the White Helmets.

The social media propaganda effort against the White Helmets is truly massive, as you can see in this graph from the article, which suggests the anti-White Helmets effort is 4X larger than all reporting of all mainstream media combined.

Here is a graph of the distribution of the clusters :



It is concerning that the 'alternative media' (driven from the Russian/Syrian/Iranian state media reports) is a factor 4X larger than the regular mainstream media...

That is reality at this point, folks :

Propaganda trumps fact-based journalism.

And if you believe that the blue cluster has (some) facts on their side, then answer this one question :

On which exact occasion did the White Helmets ever did anything wrong ?

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The rest / Re: SpaceX
« on: August 29, 2019, 09:08:45 AM »
Starhopper aces test, sets up full-scale prototype flights this year

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/08/starhopper-aces-test-sets-up-full-scale-prototype-flights-this-year/

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The timing may have been coincidental—but about one hour after SpaceX tested its Starhopper vehicle, NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center tweeted three photos of a replica of its Space Launch System rocket being loaded into a test stand at Mississippi's Stennis Space Center.

"Technicians are lifting and installing a replica of the @NASA_SLS core stage in preparation for the SLS Green Run test," the Alabama-based NASA center tweeted. Marshall manages development of the SLS rocket.

NASA has spent about $230 million to renovate and modify the B-2 test stand for this Green Run test-firing of the SLS rocket's core stage. The rocket itself has been under development since 2011, at a cost of about $14 billion and counting. The first test-firing of the rocket may occur next year at Stennis.

Yes. That is BILLION.

Meanwhile :

By contrast, the SpaceX Starship program has been moving rapidly. Construction of the Starhopper test vehicle—affectionately nicknamed the "Flying Water Tower" because of its appearance—only began in mid-December 2018. Engine tests began a few months later, with the first 20m flight test in July, followed by Tuesday evening's 150m hop.

SpaceX has now learned what it could from Starhopper, and it will proceed with full-size, suborbital prototypes for Starship that could make test flights later this year. The actual Starship vehicle, which will launch from Earth as the second stage of the under-development Super Heavy rocket, may take flight some time in 2020 or later, depending on prototype testing.

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The rest / Re: SpaceX
« on: August 28, 2019, 08:32:35 AM »
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-hopper-cautious-testing/

...while Starhopper appears to be far too heavy and simplistic to warrant the expensive and time-consuming task of outfitting it with aerodynamic control surfaces and a new nose cone capable of surviving the associated forces.

(Old nose cone broke in a 50 mph wind. LMFAO)


Anyone interested in a side wager about whether the tin-foil-half-of-a-self-crushed-rocket will ever fly? I think it should be obvious which side of the bet I'm take.

(This is on topic, cuz Musk has a proven record of using one company to bail out another company and I can't imagine he would let Tesla go bust without raiding SpaceX first. Thus they will all be imploding at the same time.)

That "the tin-foil-half-of-a-self-crushed-rocket" just flew...

108
The politics / Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« on: August 24, 2019, 10:01:51 AM »
So now that the facts are clear, could you please clarify what you mean with 'insanity' regarding these studies, and please explain why you think these studies findings are just "smoke and mirrors", or that somehow these facts even "kneecap any left-of-center movements that could successfully question and thus change the system" ?

You are not presenting facts. You are presenting a narrative with some facts worked into it in a certain way (and some not). And the goal of the narrative is to sow fear and discord, so lots of money gets directed towards outfits like New Knowledge, and to the military-industrial complex, and to cover up the real reason for why Trump got elected and re-elected (four decades of neoliberal failure). Anything coming out of New Knowledge is propaganda, pure and simple.

Neven, you just completely ignored the study from Oxford University
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/534-oxford-russia-internet-research-agency/c6588b4a7b940c551c38/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
that was at the core of the NYT article
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/17/us/politics/russia-2016-influence-campaign.html
which showed that the Russian 2016 Influence Operation Targeted African-Americans on Social Media more than other ethnic groups.

And you mention the New Knowledge study, which the NYT also quotes.
That study is here :
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/533-read-report-internet-research-agency/7871ea6d5b7bedafbf19/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

This study also shows that the Russians targeted African-Americans more than any other ethnic group :

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The politics / Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« on: August 24, 2019, 07:42:13 AM »
'stupid niggers vote against their best interests because they are brainwashed by Moscow'
Can you explain what your point is here, or maybe evidence of anyone saying something like this?
 (I get that the quoted passage is not a representation of your thoughts)

I'm referring to this insanity. Russiagate isn't just used as smoke and mirrors to hide systemic defects and personal failure of Democrats in high positions, but also to kneecap any left-of-center movements that could successfully question and thus change the system.

Let's do some fact-checking on that statement.

The 'insanity' you are referring to is a NYT article :
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/17/us/politics/russia-2016-influence-campaign.html
which quotes two studies that conclude that Russian 2016 Influence Operation Targeted African-Americans on Social Media more than other ethnic groups.

One study is from the University of Oxford :
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/534-oxford-russia-internet-research-agency/c6588b4a7b940c551c38/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Here are some of the statements from that report :

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Russia's IRA activities were designed to polarize the US public and interfere in elections by:
o campaigning for African American voters to boycott elections or follow the wrong voting
procedures in 2016, and more recently for Mexican American and Hispanic voters to
distrust US institutions;
o encouraging extreme right-wing voters to be more confrontational; and
o spreading sensationalist, conspiratorial, and other forms of junk political news and
misinformation to voters across the political spectrum.

and

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We can see from Table 4 that the African American segment was targeted with the most ads. White users were divided into liberal and conservative segments and targeted differently. A number of other ethnic segments, including Latin Americans and Muslim Americans, were targeted with smaller campaigns.

and

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The top five posts by known IRA accounts are overtly political and polarizing, and details about the content and engagement by social media users is described in Appendix B. On Twitter, of the five most-retweeted IRA accounts, four focused on targeting African Americans.

This solidly confirms the NYT report that Russian 2016 Influence Operation Targeted African-Americans on Social Media more than other ethnic groups.

So now that the facts are clear, could you please clarify what you mean with 'insanity' regarding these studies, and please explain why you think these studies findings are just "smoke and mirrors", or that somehow these facts even "kneecap any left-of-center movements that could successfully question and thus change the system" ?

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Policy and solutions / Re: Solar Roadways
« on: August 23, 2019, 10:34:42 AM »
SolaRoad in the Netherlands created that $5 million solar bike lane.
It cost 100X of rooftop solar, and broke on the first day of a bit of frost :



Still, the Dutch government gave them another grant, so they could build something more substantial.
They did.
They built a "solar bus lane".
An it broke within a week :

https://www.cobouw.nl/infra/nieuws/2019/03/busbaan-van-solaroad-al-binnen-een-week-kapot-101270923?vakmedianet-approve-cookies=1&_ga=2.67821201.1695215524.1566192838-1096526447.1566192838



When are we going to learn that solar panels in a road are just a VERY bad idea ?

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The politics / Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« on: August 22, 2019, 08:20:15 AM »
OK, guys, I see that since I left, fact-based reasoning is still in short supply at the ASIF and ad-hominum is still the preferred way of communicating here.

Back to the facts :
This is a Princeton University study.
Not a tweet from the liar in chief.
Please know the difference.

How much % is from US?

The study did not find any Foreign Influence Effort (FIE) from the US.
Foreign Influence Effort needs to satisfy three criteria :

https://esoc.princeton.edu/files/trends-online-foreign-influence-efforts

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FIEs are defined as: (i) coordinated campaigns by one state to impact one or more specific aspects of politics in another state, (ii) through media channels, including social media, by (iii) producing content designed to appear indigenous to the target state. To be included in the data an FIE must meet all three criteria.

So if you find any effort from the US that satisfies all three criteria, please let us know.
Yes, if those are the criteria I believe that disproportionate Russian leadership on foreign influence.
But the investment on straight publicity from US Government, US corporations, hidden publicity through Hollywood and other media... I don’t know, that’s huge too. Licit and legal yes (unethical and illegitimate often).

Hi gandul, nice to meet you. I don't think we've met before.

What you are stating is what's called "what-about-ism". You disregard what Russia did, and instead state what you believe is what the US did. "What-about-ism" is a logical fallacy for multiple reasons. For one, the things that the US did do not comply with the three criteria that the Princeton study defined :

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FIEs are defined as: (i) coordinated campaigns by one state to impact one or more specific aspects of politics in another state, (ii) through media channels, including social media, by (iii) producing content designed to appear indigenous to the target state. To be included in the data an FIE must meet all three criteria.

And if they did, I'm sure you can be specific.

So, instead of using what-about-ism, can you please read the study and argue with the evidence presented ?

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The politics / Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« on: August 22, 2019, 06:42:29 AM »
Are you saying Princeton University is not an American institution? Or are you saying Princeton University is to be trusted 100%? I don't follow.

You won't follow since you argue with hand-waving what-about-isms and excuses.

Why don't you read the study, and argue with the evidence presented in there.

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The politics / Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« on: August 21, 2019, 10:22:15 AM »
OK, guys, I see that since I left, fact-based reasoning is still in short supply at the ASIF and ad-hominum is still the preferred way of communicating here.

Back to the facts :
This is a Princeton University study.
Not a tweet from the liar in chief.
Please know the difference.

How much % is from US?

The study did not find any Foreign Influence Effort (FIE) from the US.
Foreign Influence Effort needs to satisfy three criteria :

https://esoc.princeton.edu/files/trends-online-foreign-influence-efforts

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FIEs are defined as: (i) coordinated campaigns by one state to impact one or more specific aspects of politics in another state, (ii) through media channels, including social media, by (iii) producing content designed to appear indigenous to the target state. To be included in the data an FIE must meet all three criteria.

So if you find any effort from the US that satisfies all three criteria, please let us know.

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The politics / Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« on: August 20, 2019, 10:10:27 AM »
Not surprising, but a new study shows that Russia is the leading global offender of foreign disinfo influence operations around the world, accounting for a whopping 72% of total operations. Study by Princeton's @ESoConflict :

https://esoc.princeton.edu/files/trends-online-foreign-influence-efforts




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Policy and solutions / Re: Solar Roadways
« on: August 18, 2019, 10:03:43 AM »
Why do people still throw money at this failed concept of Solar Roads ?

Here : Another one that challenged the laws of physics :

A German company called Solmove obtained a grant from the government to build a solar bike path in Erftstadt near Köln. Very similar to Brusaw's Solar (Freaking) Roadway's epic failed design, with glass tiles over solar film, abysmal efficiency, 10X the cost of rooftop solar, and they went full "Brusaw" by installing power-hungry 'snow-melting' heating elements and useless LEDs.

Grand opening with the minister etc etc :


Four months later, this is how it looked like :



Some junction boxes caught fire, and now the entire design of the system is being reviewed by experts. Meanwhile the path remains closed, and Solmove is not going anywhere (pun intended).

https://www.maz-online.de/Brandenburg/Solmove-Solar-Radweg-in-Erftstadt-nach-Schwelbrand-ausser-Betrieb

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Policy and solutions / Re: The Hyperloop
« on: August 05, 2019, 10:10:39 AM »
Why we need the Hyperloop!


... public transit is both inconvenient and dangerous. “It’s a pain in the ass,” he said. “That’s why everyone doesn’t like it. And there’s like a bunch of random strangers, one of who might be a serial killer,"...
E.M.

When the sheltered son of an South African Emerald Mine owner fears "random strangers" because one might be a "serial killer" - it doesn't require too much of a stretch to read between the lines.[/font]

Jeez,Terry. Seems you have an axe to grind.

Is there something specific you would like to tell Elon ?

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 27, 2019, 09:28:49 AM »
ARCUS Sea Ice Prediction Network published their July report.
These are predictions of the September minimum based on June data.
https://www.arcus.org/sipn/sea-ice-outlook/2019/july

The median is 4.28 million km^2.
Which would put 2019 behind 2012, and very close to second place 2007.

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Have you considered the possibility that maybe it's not the mainstream media and the entire population of the USA, but instead YOU are the one who is brainwashed ?

Yes, entirely possible. I'm well aware of my limitations. My type of brain can only go so far.

But I'm basing what I say on the writings and words of people that to me score very high on things like wisdom and integrity, so many of them, and what they're saying makes so much sense, that it can't all be wrong.

That explains why we differ in opinion about so many things :

I'm a fact checker.
I don't base my opinion on what people say and the 'wisdom' or 'integrity' that I think they have.

Instead I ask for evidence, look at the facts and then use logic and reasoning to form my opinion.

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I mean "fascist deep state" ?
Are you serious ?

Yes, very serious. Have you seen who your president is? Are you aware of the history of your intelligence agencies? Do you know that your country has started illegal wars around the world, is still engaged in them, and pushes for new ones? Do you know that your country hosts the largest penal colony in the world, consisting mostly of males from ethnic minorities for minor offenses? Do you know that you are effectively living in a surveillance state? Do you know that the influence of corporate entities on your government and politics is so large that it's really difficult to deny the fascismness?

Just the fact that you are living the American Dream, doesn't mean you do not live in a fascist deep state. As a self-proclaimed progressive lefty, it should be so easy for you to acknowledge this, or to acknowledge the point and add some context or nuance. But you can't, because you're not a progressive/lefty. You're that guy from the techno-managerial class who gets rewarded so handsomely by the system and Democrats are pandering to, instead of to the majority of the US, the workers and the poor.

The silence on Assange is deafening. God, it's so easy for Corporate Democrats to block any meaningful change, with so many cowards around. Especially the old ones, as they don't have anything to lose, even though they gained so much from the system that will make the lives of those who come behind them, misery.

OK. That's enough.

When I joined this forum and your blog, I thought we had a common goal of fighting AGW denial by using facts and logic.

It took me a while, but I now realize that you are fighting different issues and you use not reason and logic, but anger (against the US and liberals and democrats and other fact checkers like Bellingcat and capitalism and MSM) to form your opinion, and you then fight the facts whenever they contradict your preconceived extremist world view (fascist deep state, brainstormed US population, innocent Assad, innocent Russia etc etc).

And since I challenge that world view with facts, your posts became increasingly personal against me.

As a result, I feel that my contributions to this forum became counter productive.
So good luck resolving your issues with Lurk on your side, because I'm out of here.

This time for good.

P.S. Stop telling that you like Bernie. I like Bernie and what he says and does not say. And it does not match with what you say.
Your ideas are much more in line with Tulsi Gabbard.
And Tulsi is NOT progressive.
Just check the facts on that.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Concentrated Wealth and Carbon Emissions
« on: April 13, 2019, 10:47:01 AM »
<snip, don't play the victim, please; N.>

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but the choice in this case isn't cap-and-trade vs a stop on concentrated wealth. You need to put a stop on concentrated wealth to make solutions more successful and efficient, because concentrated wealth won't allow those solutions to hinder its exponential growth (with associated carbon emissions).

Do you have a study that shows that putting a "stop on concentrated wealth" would actually make solutions (like cap-and-trade) more successful as you assert ?

Or some reasoning that shows that  putting a "stop on concentrated wealth" reduced the incentive for companies to cheat, bend the rules and corrupt politicians as you state above ?

Or some analysis that suggests that  putting a "stop on concentrated wealth"  would reduce carbon emissions faster as you proposed in the comment that started this thread ?

In other words, could you elaborate on your opinion and bring some evidence to the table ?

Because as far as I can see, the ONLY way to reduce carbon emissions is to invest in lower carbon emission industries (solar, wind, grid-battery, EVs, no-tilt agriculture etc etc), which has nothing to do with a "stop on concentrated wealth".

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The rest / Re: SpaceX
« on: April 13, 2019, 10:04:52 AM »
How can a company who has a rocket ready for flight, but that gets self-crushed by 50mph winds be taken seriously?

How can a company that claims to be rebuilding a a rocket in a few weeks but then scraps the whole plan a builds half a rocket, be taken seriously?

How can people who believe in this nonsense be take seriously?!?!

In my honestly opinion, none of it can be taken seriously.

Dude, the guy launched a Tesla Roadster into space !

How can you NOT be inspired and NOT have to pick up your lower jaw from the floor ?

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I'm a Bernie supporter, Neven.

Did Bernie pass your test yet ?

No, not yet. And if he doesn't, it's because he has to pander to people like you, or because he's compromised. It's not easy to do what he's trying to do in a fascist deep state, with such a large part of the population brainwashed by corporate mainstream media.

Have you considered the possibility that maybe it's not the mainstream media and the entire population of the USA, but instead YOU are the one who is brainwashed ?

I mean "fascist deep state" ?
Are you serious ?

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The rest / Re: SpaceX
« on: April 13, 2019, 09:03:24 AM »
Sharp-eyed FH webcast watchers may have noticed the brief, unexplained, strange image below.

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Rishvan (@iamrishvan) 4/11/19, 7:12 PM
What am I looking at @elonmusk? #FalconHeavy
https://twitter.com/iamrishvan/status/1116479118986469378

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Elon Musk (@elonmusk) 4/11/19, 7:12 PM
Liquid oxygen
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1116479251669078016

Another possibility:  a Stargate. ;)

Yeah. That's liquid oxygen in the Falcon 9 oxygen tank. So cool !

Scott Manley actually explained about how keeping that liquid oxygen in place in zero gravity (after the booster shuts down) is not easy at 12:30 in this video which also features the Israeli moon lander and the Falcon Heavy launch :


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Assange is a litmus test for liberals/progressives/lefties, both the politicians and the voters.

Neven, I'm a liberal/progressive/leftie and I think Assange should face his day in court.
If he did nothing wrong, he will be set free.

Is that what you mean with the 'litmus test' ?

Yes, you obviously fail it. But we knew that already.

I'm a Bernie supporter, Neven.

Did Bernie pass your test yet ?

If not, who (of US politicians) did ?

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You might have picked up i'm overly pessimistic when it comes to the German car industry.

Some in this thread asked themselves the question if VW has 'seen the light'. And indeed there seems to evolve some hope for VW.

Volkswagen and Ganfeng launch lithium cooperation
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Volkswagen has signed a letter of intent with Ganfeng Lithium for the long-term supply of lithium for battery cells. It is planned that Ganfeng will supply the Wolfsburg-based company and its suppliers with lithium for the next ten years.
Link >> https://www.electrive.com/2019/04/06/volkswagen-and-ganfeng-launch-lithium-cooperation/

So, if this letter of intent turns into an actual contract, there is a future for VW. This combined with their EV platform (that could become a buyable product for other car manufacturers and will drive their costs down) sounds future-proof to me.

I agree. VW seems to take the transition to electric vehicles seriously.
Here is another report :

https://insideevs.com/volkswagen-plans-22-million-electric-vehicles-ten-years/

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Volkswagen Group is serious about electric vehicles. It may not look that way if you judge by its battery-powered cars on the road today — in the U.S., it currently offers only the Volkswagen e-Golf. But, its various brands will be producing millions in just a few years from now. In fact, it’s just increased its planned output from 15 million to 22 million over the next ten years. That’s ambitious by any standard.

and this :

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/16/business/volkswagen-electric-cars/index.html

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Volkswagen to spend $50 billion on electric car 'offensive'

That's serious.

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Assange is a litmus test for liberals/progressives/lefties, both the politicians and the voters.

Neven, I'm a liberal/progressive/leftie and I think Assange should face his day in court.
If he did nothing wrong, he will be set free.

Is that what you mean with the 'litmus test' ?

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Policy and solutions / Re: Concentrated Wealth and Carbon Emissions
« on: April 12, 2019, 10:19:16 AM »
This subject started in the 'cars' thread with Neven claiming that putting a stop on exponential growth of concentrated wealth would reduce carbon emissions faster than cap-and-trade :

So if not cap-and-trade, what do we need to do to make it go faster ?

Put a stop on the exponential growth of concentrated wealth.

I responded to that with this post :

Using common sense, I don't agree with your claim.
After all, "concentrated wealth" by itself has very little to do with carbon emissions.

For example, a guy sitting on a pile of gold emits no more carbon than a guy sitting on a pile of garbage.

I think with your idea of "putting a stop on the exponential growth of concentrated wealth" it very much depends on where your will redistribute these dollars.

Please look at this graph (carbon footprint per dollar) :



Here you see that the higher the income, the lower the carbon emissions are per dollar.
That makes sense, since higher income people tend to invest more and spend less on carbon-heavy consumer products.

So I think if you "put a stop on the exponential growth of concentrated wealth" as you suggest, you need to be careful what you will do with that wealth.

If you simply would re-distribute that wealth to lower income groups, you would actually INCREASE carbon emissions.

If instead, if you would use that 'concentrated' wealth (taken from the wealthy) to fund carbon-free energy projects (solar, wind, energy efficiency etc) then you could reduce carbon emissions for all of us.

That's my take on that.

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The rest / Re: SpaceX
« on: April 12, 2019, 08:36:08 AM »
It's amazing that we just shamelessly post corporate propaganda on the forums. SpaceX of all things.... A corporation that's in the business of space tourism - probably one of the most carbon intensive activities known to mankind.

This place is such a joke.

SpaceX is not about tourism.

To get an idea of what SpaceX is about, watch the movie "Tomorrowland".

Then post back here.

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The rest / Re: SpaceX
« on: April 12, 2019, 06:15:23 AM »
Launched by a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket a few months ago, the Israeli Beresheet moonlander landed on the moon today.

It landed... although a bit hard...  ;)



Still an amazing engineering achievement by this small nation.

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The rest / Re: SpaceX
« on: April 12, 2019, 06:01:02 AM »
Great day for rocket enthausiasts today.

An entirely flawless mission of Falcon Heavy launching Arabsat-6A :

SpaceX launches Falcon Heavy and lands all three rocket boosters for the first time :



The simultaneous landing of the two side boosters is still one the most awe-inspiring space engineering feats since the Space Shuttle.

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Rob, do you have a reference to a study that shows that not putting a stop on the exponential growth of concentrated wealth would actually reduce carbon emissions?

No. I don't, because I don't make that claim.

You seem to disagree with my claim, or don't you?

If you don't disagree with it per se, does it matter if there are or aren't studies (which would be social science anyway, and thus never provide 'true')? Or can you judge the idea on its merits, by using your own thoughts and ideas?

Fair enough.
Using common sense, I don't agree with your claim.
After all, "concentrated wealth" by itself has very little to do with carbon emissions.
For example, a guy sitting on a pile of gold emits no more carbon than a guy sitting on a pile of garbage.

I think with your idea of "putting a stop on the exponential growth of concentrated wealth" it very much depends on where your will redistribute these dollars.

Please look at this graph (carbon footprint per dollar) :



Here you see that the higher the income, the lower the carbon emissions are per dollar.
That makes sense, since higher income people tend to invest more and spend less on carbon-heavy consumer products.

So I think if you "put a stop on the exponential growth of concentrated wealth" as you suggest, you need to be careful what you will do with that wealth.

If you simply would re-distribute that wealth to lower income groups, you would actually INCREASE carbon emissions.

If instead, if you would use that 'concentrated' wealth (taken from the wealthy) to fund carbon-free energy projects (solar, wind, energy efficiency etc) then you could reduce carbon emissions for all of us.

That's my take on that.

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Rob, do you have a reference to a study that shows that not putting a stop on the exponential growth of concentrated wealth would actually reduce carbon emissions?

No. I don't, because I don't make that claim.

With all respect, you are the one claiming that CO2 emissions could reduce 'faster' if we could only put "a stop on the exponential growth of concentrated wealth "

In fact, you prefer this over a proven method of 'cap-and-trade'.

All I'm asking for is a study that shows that to be true.

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I don't want to discard it, stop projecting or putting words in my mouth. It's not going fast enough, because the system doesn't allow it to go faster (if it allows it to go at all).

So if not cap-and-trade, what do we need to do to make it go faster ?

Put a stop on the exponential growth of concentrated wealth.

Neven, do you have a reference to a study that shows that putting a "stop on the exponential growth of concentrated wealth" would actually reduce carbon emissions ?

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 11, 2019, 09:31:40 AM »
OK, I keep on being attacked personally, and being moderated even for just reporting any facts that happen to contradict Neven's opinion.

So this will be my last post in this thread for a while, and it's kind of a summary, so please Neven, let this one go through.

Best of luck continuing your attacks on the MSM and against the US (and forgetting that there are more than 50 countries with the same opinion) and good luck to you trying to lift the sanctions.

Because this is how you come across :

Neven : The evil empire is after Venezuela's oil !

USA : OK, we'll stop buying it then.

Neven : The evil imperialists need to lift those "crippling" sanctions !

USA : Huh ?

To you this may all seem very rational, but to me your position is laughable.

And you are NOT doing the liberal left in the US a favor with your out-of-touch extreme opinions.

There is a reason why Bernie and AOC avoid talking about Venezuela, and NO, it's not because America is evil. It's because Venezuela is fucked up.

So please STOP supporting inaction in Venezuela and STOP denying the crisis, and STOP your whataboutism and STOP protesting the sanctions, start to LISTEN to Venezuelans, and open your heart :



Because the rest of the world sees the biggest humanitarian crisis on the planet after Syria caused by Maduro.

And with your hatred of the MSM and the US you are in the way of helping Venezuela make a change for the better.

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 11, 2019, 09:02:34 AM »
OK, I keep on being attacked personally, and being moderated even for just reporting any facts that happen to contradict Neven's opinion.

So this will be my last post in this thread for a while, and it's kind of a summary, so please Neven, let this one go through.

Best of luck pissing on the MSM and the US (and forgetting that there are more than 50 countries with the same opinion) and good luck trying to lift the sanctions.

Because this is how you come across :

Neven : The evil empire is after Venezuela's oil !

USA : OK, we'll stop buying it then.

Neven : The evil imperialists need to lift those "crippling" sanctions !

USA : Huh ?

To you this may all seem very rational, but to me your position is laughable.

And you are NOT doing the liberal left in the US a favor with your out-of-touch extreme opinions.

There is a reason why Bernie and AOC avoid talking about Venezuela, and NO, it's not because America is evil. It's because Venezuela is fucked up.

So please STOP supporting inaction in Venezuela and STOP denying the crisis, and STOP your whataboutism and STOP protesting the sanctions, and LISTEN to Venezuelans :



Because the rest of the world sees the biggest humanitarian crisis on the planet after Syria .

And with your hatred of the MSM and the US you are in the way of helping Venezuela.

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 11, 2019, 09:02:09 AM »
Geez Lurk. Please pay attention. Sidd just gave an overview :

The only sanctions that matter substantially are the PdvSA sanctions from Jan 2019, which caused a sharp drop in the US buying Venezuelan oil.

Sanctions before that only affected particular Venezuelan individuals and US speculators in Venezuelan debt.

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 11, 2019, 07:23:32 AM »
OK, we are not getting anywhere with this discussion.

So this will be my last post in this thread for a while, Neven, so please let it go through.

Best of luck pissing on the MSM and the US (and forgetting that there are more than 50 countries with the same opinion) and good luck trying to lift the sanctions.

Because this is how you come across :

Neven : The evil empire is after Venezuela's oil !

USA : OK, we'll stop buying it then.

Neven : The evil imperialists need to lift those "crippling" sanctions !

USA : Huh ?

To you this may all seem very rational, but to me your position is laughable.

And you are NOT doing the liberal left in the US a favor with your out-of-touch extreme opinions.

There is a reason why Bernie and AOC avoid talking about Venezuela, and NO, it's not because America is evil. It's because Venezuela is fucked up.

Please STOP supporting inaction in Venezuela and STOP denying the crisis, and STOP your whataboutism and STOP protesting the sanctions, and LISTEN to Venezuelans :



Because the rest of the world sees the biggest humanitarian crisis on the planet after Syria .

And with your hatred of the MSM and the US you are in the way of helping Venezuela.

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 11, 2019, 04:52:59 AM »
OK, we are not getting anywhere with this discussion.

So this will be my last post in this thread for a while, Neven, so please let it go through.

Best of luck pissing on the MSM and the US (and forgetting that there are more than 50 countries with the same opinion) and good luck trying to lift the sanctions.

Because this is how you come across :

Neven : The evil empire is after Venezuela's oil !

USA : OK, we'll stop buying it then.

Neven : The evil imperialists need to lift those "crippling" sanctions !

USA : Huh ?


To you this may all seem very rational, but to me your position is laughable.

And you are NOT doing the liberal left in the US a favor with your out-of-touch extreme opinions.

There is a reason why Bernie and AOC avoid talking about Venezuela, and NO, it's not because America is evil.

You need to STOP supporting inaction in Venezuela and STOP your whataboutism and STOP protesting the sanctions, and LISTEN to Venezuelans :



Because the rest of the world sees the biggest humanitarian crisis on the planet after Syria and wants to help.

And Maduro (and you with your hatred of the MSM and the US) are in the way of helping Venezuela.

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I don't want to discard it, stop projecting or putting words in my mouth. It's not going fast enough, because the system doesn't allow it to go faster (if it allows it to go at all).

So if not cap-and-trade, what do we need to do to make it go faster ?

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 10, 2019, 11:52:31 AM »
And besides all that there is the corruption :




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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 10, 2019, 11:29:33 AM »
The core issues are:
..
3) If you want free and fair elections, you need to protest the crippling sanctions (if you're not already protesting them out of moral convictions). Venezuela is in trouble because, although oil profits have been used for social policies that have massively improved the lives of its population over the past two decades, they have failed at cutting their dependence on oil. They need to be helped with that, also for the sake of AGW.

Yes, Chavez' policies have significantly improved life for the poor in Venezuela.

The problem is that he spend it all.

He did not invest in the oil industry, and he did not save anything for a rainy day, like Norway did. In fact, he even borrowed money (from Russia and China mostly) to finance his policies, even while the price of oil went up.

So, then when Maduro came along, and the price of oil declined, the country dipped into deep debt and never recovered.

None of this has anything to do with the US, who was just buying Venezuelan oil until Jan 2019.

So now the US stopped buying Venezuelan oil.

That's it.

That's the "crippling" sanctions that Neven says we need to be "protesting them out of moral convictions" as a pre-condition before "free and fair elections" are even allowed.

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 10, 2019, 11:16:02 AM »
The core issues are:
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2) Trump isn't resisted, he is helped. The biggest mistake that can be made, is acknowledge the narrative that is used to manufacture consent for chaos around the world that is highly profitable to a small group. That narrative needs to be fought tooth and nail.

Yes, Trump is helped by stating that Venezuela is 'socialist'.

Venezuela is a failed state. Hyperinflation, economy in the tank, people starving, 3 million refugees, etc etc. And it will get worse now that the US decided to stop buying their oil.

ANY attempt to deny the immense crisis, or to state that Venezuela is a 'socialist' country is another handout to Trump.

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 10, 2019, 10:52:26 AM »
<snip, not interested in games; N.>

Not to mention Venezuela is THE OPPOSITE of socialism.

It's a dictatorship where a few privileged (especially the military) around the dictator take all the benefits, and the rest of the country is screwed.

Neven,  on this CORE issue, can you PLEASE understand that by stating that Venezuela has 'socialism' you are actively helping Trump and are actively working AGAINST Bernie Sanders ?

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 10, 2019, 09:37:18 AM »
It looks like many of our conversations diverge rather than converge to common understanding.
That's why it's hard to respond to every issue raised.

So let me respond only to what I feel are some core issues.

<snip, those are not the core issues, those are examples of the propaganda used to further the war and oil machine's agenda; N.>

I spent considerable time on my response to your position.
And I responded to YOUR posts. And I talked about evidence-based reasoning.
So how can that be 'propaganda' ?

Why do you censor my posts, especially the good ones ?

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 10, 2019, 09:13:06 AM »
It looks like many of our conversations diverge rather than converge to common understanding.
That's why it's hard to respond to every issue raised.

So let me respond only to what I feel are some core issues.

Actually it was TRT who did that report.
That's a Turkish news agency.

So, is TRT saying that millions are starving in Venezuela, and do you automatically believe that?

What I was referring to was that guy on The Real News who claimed that "NOBODY in Venezuela is starving".

TRT did a report on that and proved this guy wrong.

The 'millions' were added by you, when you mentioned that Fox News said that.
Fox News often makes shit up, but please post a link if you make a statement like that, since then we can check where they got the number from. And if they don't provide a source, we can prove that they make shit up.

That's how evidence-based reasoning works.
So please show a link to that Fox News article where they told you that millions were starving.

Furthermore, I showed earlier that the Bartlett report inadvertently suggests that minimum wage in Venezuela buys you two hot-dogs per month.

That's starvation level income.

I don't know how many people make minimum wage in Venezuela, but I would not be surprised if there are millions of them.

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Is that YES to the first question, or the second ? Or both ?

Yes to both. I know, I know, now you are going to find one article or news report by a mainstream media outlet that acknowledges that there are pro-Maduro rallies as well (bam, FACT, eat that, Neven). But go ahead, and compare how much attention pro-Maduro rallies get in mainstream media vs pro-Guaido rallies.

For instance, here's a CNN article from March 11th mentioning that there are rallies both pro the one and the other, but no specifics, and almost the tnire article is about Guaido and ends with this:

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Pompeo posted a photo of Guaido's rally with the caption: "The people of #Venezuela have again responded to @jguaido's call to take to the streets in support of freedom and democracy.


That CNN article is very well balanced.

Not only are the sections balanced, and they give relevant statements by all the relevant people,
they even posted BOTH a picture of Maduro at a pro-Maduro rally as well as a picture of Guaido at a pro-opposition rally.

That's the best example of "war mongering mainstream media" who are ignoring the pro-Maduro rallies you could come up with ?

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If you are disappointed in something, you should propose something better.

Your wife has a right to know the alternative, Neven ;D

Okay, here it is: Car manufacturers cannot use EVs to offset the CO2-spewing of their big, useless, consumercrazy SUVs, and certainly not buy the credits of manufacturers that solely produce EVs.

So, you do NOT want cap-and-trade (which is what the EU credits are) for the car industry, and on top of that you don't want any alternative ?

I would understand that position if you are Fiat/Chrysler, but NOT if you are the founder of the Arctic Sea Ice Forum.

I don't understand, Neven.

Cap-and-trade works. Why do you want to discard it ?

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If you don't like EU carbon credits, what would you suggest instead ?

So, if I don't have a better suggestion, I cannot be disappointed in something?

I hope you don't talk to your wife like that.  ;D

If you are disappointed in something, you should propose something better.

Your wife has a right to know the alternative, Neven ;D

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 09, 2019, 10:09:38 AM »
A regime change is gonna come !

Fixed that for you.

I hope so. The Venezuelan people deserve a restoration of Democracy and freedom.

Tell me, Neven : If Maduro still is as popular as you pretend him to be, why doesn't he allow free, UN supervised elections, just like what Bernie is asking for ?

It's not like they are not asking for it :


Looks a bit like Occupy Wall Street, doesn't it? Or the Gilets Jaunes. Any regime change in the US or France after that?

Does it ?

Please post a similar picture from the US or France.

And then please explain why you support the Venezuelan government, but not the US or France.

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 09, 2019, 09:47:30 AM »
Images that Rob Dekker won't show because they aren't reported by mainstream warmongering media, and thus aren't FACTS.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

Do you actually believe that MSM does not report pro-Maduro rallies ?
And that they don't report these rallies because they are "war-mongering" ?

Yes. They are pushing the narrative to convince people like you (that are easily convinced) that it's time for yet another regime change, after all the other successful ones.

Is that YES to the first question, or the second ? Or both ?

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The politics / Re: The Empire vs Venezuela - News and History
« on: April 09, 2019, 09:42:55 AM »
Who to believe ?

Apparently, you have decided to believe Fox News saying that millions are starving in Venezuela.

Actually it was TRT who did that report.
That's a Turkish news agency.

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Which makes Fiat's vehicles MORE expensive and Tesla's LESS expensive.

In theory, yes. At this phase of Tesla though, i believe it would be clever on their part to invest the better margin they now have instead of giving it to the customers.

Fine either way, right ?

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On the Fiat side of this calculation, the picture is not so clear either. They can do all kind of tricks to pay fewer taxes or get subsidies to make good for that. Fiat cars don't necessarily get more expensive short term.

That does not make sense.

Fiat is going to pay a carbon fee to Tesla.

If Fiat won't charge their customers by increasing the price of their product (ICE cars), then they will  eat into their profits, regardless of what other 'tricks' they use.

That's how free market economics works.

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As long as the EU keeps 'squeezing' these regulations tighter and tighter, this will result in eliminating emissions over time.

I agree. Fiat is circumventing the regulations with this step. This whole thing shows the regulation is not tight enough. This kind of loopholes needs to be fixed.

Huh ?
What do you mean "Not tight enough" ?
And why do you say "circumventing the regulations" ?
The EU does not want to destroy the car industry.
They want them to transform.
Over time.

So, the EU has a certain carbon phase-out in mind over the coming decades, so they set some credit standard now, and they will tighten it in the years to come.

Fiat will come around to producing EVs, and if they don't, they will eventually go out of business.

What's wrong with that ?

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