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Greenland and Arctic Circle / Re: The Nares Strait thread
« on: July 01, 2020, 03:46:30 PM »
June 29 and June 30 from Worldview

Spectacular change for just one day.

Not sure where this fits but it definitely belongs somewhere on the ASIF

We Are Living in a Failed State
The coronavirus didn’t break America. It revealed what was already broken.

The crisis demanded a response that was swift, rational, and collective. The United States reacted instead like Pakistan or Belarus

Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 16, 2020, 01:07:52 PM »
Found a better one and changed the image, Bluice.

Looks like this is unprecedented.

Do you have a source?
I would like to share this with a friend and it would be better if it was sourced.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 15, 2020, 10:27:22 AM »
Our government has released a very helpful video

Warning don't watch this if you don't like bad language.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: February 24, 2020, 05:23:16 AM »
Malena Ernman on daughter Greta Thunberg: ‘She was slowly disappearing into some kind of darkness’
  by Malena Ernman

That's a most extraordinary story, well worth the time to read.

The forum / Re: Suggestions
« on: February 21, 2020, 01:42:57 PM »
Neven Whatever you did to remove the corona virus thread from the recent posts was a good idea.

This is a good, informative and useful thread but I agree shouldn't be a highlight of the forum.
Your exceptional judgement in these areas is what makes this place so successful.

I just thought some positive feedback would be helpful.

Consequences / Re: Wildfires
« on: December 12, 2019, 03:23:22 AM »
Our Prime Minister is still running with the words, " Thoughts and prayers...." and "dont mention climate change"

In the mean time.......

My family live in surbuban Wollongong an hour south of Sydney.
Everything is bone dry, drier than any time in living memory. Though in a residential area they have made plans to evacuate if any fire comes down the mountain range as it's plainly obvious that on a hot windy day stopping it just won't be possible.

My brother in law and nephew work in a coal mine, yesterday production was stopped because the volume of smoke being sucked into the mine was causing the fire systems to trip and continuing without them was unsafe. Visibility at times has been as low as a few hundred metres it looks apocalyptic.
This years camping trip has been relocated because of the fires. The lawns that are always green are brown and dying along with my mother's garden. All this and they either refuse to believe or just don't want to know about climate change. I used to think something like this would wake people up but no sign at all so far. Perhaps after this summer when the drought, fires and smoke are so visible but from their response so far I doubt it.

PS The're now planning next year's O/S holidays.

Dog help us all.

Consequences / Re: Drought 2019
« on: September 15, 2019, 03:08:06 PM »

‘Critical’: parts of regional NSW set to run out of water by November
WaterNSW warns without significant rain, Macquarie River will run dry, wiping out supply to Dubbo, Cobar, Nyngan and Narromine

Parts of regional New South Wales could run out of water as early as November with data showing the worst-case scenario for the state if there’s no rain or government intervention.


I don't know what government intervention is planed as both the governments at both state and federal are in denial, trucking vast quantities of water is probably the only option. For some background Dubbo is the largest town with around 40k population.

Forecasts aren't showing any signs of significant rain which will make this summer challenging.
The next strong El-Nino, which brings hotter and drier conditions, could well depopulate these towns as they primarily exist to support farming which will collapse if the drought continues into an El-Nino season.

We live in interesting times.

Consequences / Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« on: September 14, 2019, 02:17:27 PM »
After deleting my snide comments about my fellow Australians here's the story:

Max temps to be 4–10 °C above September average over most fire affected areas this weekend.
No significant rain is expected for the next seven days.
A southeasterly wind change over the Qld southeast coast district will bring increased fire danger today.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 13, 2019, 11:56:44 AM »
Just a great photo

Looks like the "Lady" that studied and lived with the Gorillas in the mist ;)

I think her name was Jane Goodall but I may err.

You are correct, that is Jane Goodall, she is also an absolutely wonderful person.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 12, 2019, 05:18:03 PM »
I agree.  Great photo from Davos global-elite-fest last January.

Here's another.  Off-the-charts cringe.  She knows.

Thank you for posting what happens to Greta in the US. The media here don't say much about Greta in the USA.

Who ist that lady next to Greta?

Congrats you will be the first person ever on my ignore list since sometime around 2007.

i think you have nothing to offer here other than promoting the hate that divides us.

That by the way is a compliment to Neven who's super power has made this place the most trusted of all.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 12, 2019, 05:02:44 PM »
Who ist that lady next to Greta?

Thank you for posting what happens to Greta in the US. The media here don't say much about Greta in the USA.

That's Jane Goodall, google everything you can find about her, adding her to your life can only make you much more optimistic about humanity.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 12, 2019, 02:14:01 PM »
Just a great photo

Consequences / Re: Prepping for Collapse
« on: September 10, 2019, 03:50:24 PM »
votes for children concentration camp emergency funding after a tea-session with Nancy Pelosi sharing her investment portfolio tips about the companies that profit of it.

I don't think these sort of comments ......
Sometimes I get lost in trying to imagine the real world behind those political words. There's no reason to expect news will cover the majority of the horrific side of the establishment so I feel like I try to make sense in the best way I can. Don't get me started on Betsy deVos.

They cannot vote for such funding under the motto of providing better care. The taxpayer pays over $700 per night per child.
Trump hotels don't even charge that much.
Nancy does hold a lot investments. In companies linked to these firms, and that's what we know.
A little far fetched maybe but in the end is all about creating demand for the companies you can pick.

AOC recently got rid of her good leftist political advisors and has since voted yes on a recent emergency funding addition of a few hundred million I cannot find back.. I looked at the house voting records. I can only imagine what happened and apologize for stating my conjecture as fact.

Thanks, that's I very decent of you.

Policy and solutions / Re: Batteries: Today's Energy Solution
« on: September 10, 2019, 03:28:17 PM »

There is one way out though: Put a price on externalities and make it a market rule by using market tools (i.e. taxation).

There you have it. The problem is incentives not the system itself. Put a reasonable price on carbon AND all other pollutants, especially plastics and the market system will sort it out. You will have plenty of green energy, sustainable agriculture, etc. simply by changing the incentives (pricing externalities)

This is as clear an example as you will ever get of the effect of a carbon price.
While this was in effect the economy was also growing.

Not enough to avoid 2C but a step in the right direction.

The image is from here (I couldn't find a bigger pic)

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: August 30, 2019, 12:44:49 PM »
So I conclude, once again, that when she realizes she's being co-opted, she will refuse to play along and you won't see her anymore.


If apparently she is being used and one day will wake up and go away and not be heard again, then what's the point of any protest at all?

The implication is the only people who are heard are those useful for the so called "elites", therefore anyone who is getting publicity should just shut up because their being used.

This leaves no possible avenue for any protest to be legitimate (oh how convenient), this leaves me very suspicious of the motives of people who say this.

Also the crew of the boat are doing whatever their doing in any case Greta has zero affect on what they do or don't do. Tying her to their issues also raises my suspicion.

PS Thanks to Vaughan for the kind comments

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: August 17, 2019, 02:13:29 PM »
The people here speculating about Greta being manipulated are pathetic.

If you bothered to watch her interviews and have capacity to understand peoples motives then you would know she is doing this because she believes in what she is doing and rather than being manipulated she is influencing the people around her.

I call you all pathetic because this young girl is actually making a difference and your here wining that building the yacht that she's sailing on had some carbon emissions. Really, she made the best choice she could about how to travel to the US where she probably will make even more a of an impact and all you can do is whine about this.

This seems like the denialist bullshit that doesn't gets past Neven's moderation for very long. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 31, 2019, 03:26:42 PM »
BTW, is old ice more resistant to melt than young ice, i assume yes but am not sure.

Yes it's less salty.

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: July 17, 2019, 02:52:40 PM »
But the Greatest of These is Love

I love this beautiful, mysterious, complicated planet we get to call home. The planet who had the audacity to burst with life, from her boreal crown to her icy toes at the South Pole. I love her caves and her valleys and her rivers and her oceans. I love the majesty of larger-than-life elephants and whales and rhinos and lions. I love the elegance and enigma of all the different kinds of bats—even the ones that eat other bats! I love the unapologetic sass of butterflies and hummingbirds and coral reefs and the tear-jerking aroma of flowers that bloom below the equator.

This helps understand the where the anger at climate denial comes from.

Neven some time ago (perhaps even more than once) said he was angry, this made a lot of sense to me as I'm also angry at climate denial (except I'm completely ineffective). I also think it's only the anger of the youth that will make any difference (Greta is just the start, very awake but not yet angry).

I might be seeing more here than there is, but just now this helps explain where the anger comes from. 

Walking the walk / Re: When was the last flight you took?
« on: April 18, 2019, 01:30:58 PM »
The last six years I've flown about 2000km each way once or twice a week for work.

The work is in the Pilbara, there is nothing there (2hr drive to the nearest small town) and it's inhospitable (most summer day temps around 40+ c) not many want to live there. Until mining companies are forced to change this, flying will be the only option for most.
One small piece of better news is that the company has a goal of achieving at least 22% indigenous workers in the next FY where last year they were around 18%. The reason for this is I believe is purely economic, cheaper workers with less travel. The result though is less flying.

BTW Just this one large size mine has 9 flights a week with 774-300's? or around 100 to 130 people each flight. Plus a few shorter flights.

Now I'm working in the city and commuting on the electric train, currently that's were the work is, when this job is over I'll probably again have the choice to fly or not work.

As for personal travel I've had just a single trip to the US in this time and two trips to Bali, each about six hours. These trips were not entirely my choice and I'm not planning any more. Bali (in Indonesia) is worth mentioning where I couldn't name anyone that I know here in Perth that hasn't been there and many make a few trips a year.
The cost of a Bali trip for three days with accommodation can be as little as $300, which is cheaper than a local holiday. Until the true environmental cost is included this won't change and any political party that where to even mentioned this wouldn't stand a chance of being elected.
Here in Australia everyone is travelling with constant trips to all places around the world. There is very little recognition of the impacts and little interest in knowing.

One thing I found particularly depressing was after the recent fires in Tasmania that burn't bushland that hadn't been burnt in a thousand years due to the heat and drought. There were a few articles in the media, the depressing part were the comments from people who were so concerned about expressing their grief over this that they were organising flights for people to go see the unburnt forests before they are gone. Not one sign from anyone of just how totally ignorant this was. 

The politics / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: April 17, 2019, 03:10:22 PM »
I didn't know where else this would fit but here

Greta Thunberg is a powerful messenger because her age makes the point even stronger, her facts seem to be solid and her delivery carries both emotion and a calm sense of panic. 

Greta Thunberg says she wants us to panic and much more.

This seems to align well with the message of this forum. I hope we hear a lot more of this girl in the media.

There have been 1878 posts in this thread.

Lots of accusations against "corporate" Democrats, named and unnamed.
No accusations against Republicans, but if you bring that up you're chased off the thread as being off topic.

So I was wondering.

Do we have a list of Democrats that are NOT considered "corporate" by the posters in this forum ?

They would be the one's no one has heard off because they don't have any money.

The politics / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: November 09, 2018, 03:40:08 PM »
Trump would like the US to become more like Putin's Russia where journalist who ask difficult questions are murdered.

Oh really?
President Trump would like journalists who ask difficult questions murdered.
How nice of you to say so.

I sure do hope the NSA has 'your number' and are keeping an eye on you ..... and I do hope Neven didn't 'cull' my little comment on Paranoia. Such basic education to raise awareness really is needed imo.

Noted: You can't quote me without subtly changing my words

Also noted is that a comparison of Trumps direction and Putin's reality is what lights your fire.

As for your subtle threat about the NSA I think I'm OK as long as I don't mention Bomb, President, IED, attack, plane, Jihad, Allah, Plutonium or detonator especially in one sentence and post that online. And as for paranoia I use my real name and my profile has my E-Mail address with my domain that is easily traceable. I have nothing to hide do you?   

What's your real name Lurk?, what are your hiding from from?

The politics / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: November 09, 2018, 01:24:07 PM »

It's pretty clear the WH doctored the video.
One more time- it wasn't the WH. And Acosta was being an ass.

It wasn't the Whitehouse but they still haven't apologised for peddling a lie or admitted their mistake. Yet here you are defending them.

What you are defending is a would be tyrant who is trying to overpower one of the fundamental pillars of democracy. Until now the executive was answerable to the people in some way, Trump would like the US to become more like Putin's Russia where journalist who ask difficult questions are murdered. If people don't stand up to him this is what will happen and those that enable him in any way must be opposed.

PS Don't bother with a reply to me, I have had my say and just don't have time to waste on you.

The politics / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: November 08, 2018, 01:25:41 PM »
Bad Journalism, does that include when the administration releases a doctored video ?

The intern's reach for the mic is slowed down, and the "chop" motion is accelerated. Here's an annotated side by side comparison:

Here's the video released by Sarah Sanders:

Policy and solutions / Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« on: September 08, 2018, 02:54:19 AM »
There is news this morning (so far only on a Murdoch publication which I refuse to read or link) that Australia's new PM plans to renege on our pathetically weak Paris agreement.

The present PM is a dim witted Hillsong member that has asked us to pray for the present drought to end and was installed by far right Christians and the coal lobby.

In a practical sense this will make little difference as we will most likely meet our shamefully week target from the renewable projects already being constructed. This government is also highly likely to be annihilated in the election due early next year.

Australia's influence once was remarkably strong for such a small population but now we are nothing but outcasts and obstructionists I suspect one day a price will be paid.     

What this does do to our great shame is help legitimise Trump's action. I hope this won't encourage other nations to follow.

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: April 21, 2018, 03:29:02 PM »
Michael Mann, tweets that it's 20 years since the hockey stick.

Show him your support I'm sure he appreciates it.

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