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Title: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 30, 2014, 06:08:45 PM
Given the increased activity in investing in clean energy, divesting from fossil fuels, and legislation supporting (or hindering) the switch to renewables, perhaps a thread devoted to the "Money and Politics" of addressing climate change is apropos.

Recent divestitures:

Rockefellers, Heirs to an Oil Fortune, Will Divest Charity of Fossil Fuels
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/us/heirs-to-an-oil-fortune-join-the-divestment-drive.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/us/heirs-to-an-oil-fortune-join-the-divestment-drive.html)


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Separately, almost 350 global institutional investors representing more than $24 trillion in assets have called on governments to put a price on carbon dioxide emissions and phase out subsidies to fossil-fuel industries. The signatories to the carbon-price statement include the California Public Employees' Retirement System, or CalPERS, BlackRock and major investors from Europe, Asia and Australia.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-climate-investors-20140921-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-climate-investors-20140921-story.html)

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ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council, has been pushing anti-renewables legislation in the States, with a few successes out of their many attempts.  But recently they have fallen out of favor with numerous large companies, due to that stance -- or, granted, perhaps purely due to the companies' public image concerns.  But less money and support for ALEC means less anti-climate-change legislation making the rounds.

Tech Companies Are Dropping ALEC En Masse
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/09/25/3572195/companies-dropping-alec/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/09/25/3572195/companies-dropping-alec/)

Occidental Petroleum is cutting ties with the American Legislative Exchange Council amid backlash against the organization’s stance on climate change.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/large-oil-company-bolts-from-alec-20140929 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/large-oil-company-bolts-from-alec-20140929)

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The new, clearer approach of talking about "Zero Net Carbon in 2050" rather than "limit warming to 2°C" is a genius kind of (political) marketing.  Similarly, the idea of ditching a "carbon tax" and instead calling for "major support for renewables and renewable product development" (partially funded by carbon emitters and consumers???) just seems so much more palatable.  "Support more jobs and keep ahead in the global tech race!"  Rather than "let's punish you and those nasty fossil fuel companies who made your life so comfortable."

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The UNFCCC recently introduced the idea of ‘carbon neutrality’, which the Marshall Island’s Foreign Minister representative who was also speaking on the panel said engages more people than the “2 degrees” conversation, and should therefore be the “guiding light” for global talks in Paris. Carbon neutrality means reducing greenhouse gas emissions to zero and then ‘offsetting’ an equal amount of any remaining emissons.
www.theclimategroup.org/what-we-do/news-and-blogs/net-zero-should-be-north-star-of-our-sky-track-0-launched-at-climate-week-nyc (http://www.theclimategroup.org/what-we-do/news-and-blogs/net-zero-should-be-north-star-of-our-sky-track-0-launched-at-climate-week-nyc)

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A couple cross-posts:

Steven Cohen argues in the Huffington Post that a carbon tax is not needed; we should instead fight for the funding of the basic research required to make the transition to a fossil fuel-free economy.

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...The fact that the U.S. has not signed onto a meaningless non-binding resolution on the way to another round of meaningless climate talks in Paris next year is a non-issue.

Instead of wasting time and effort on a futile attempt to tax carbon, we should be gearing up our national laboratories, research universities and high-tech sector on a massive effort to invent new forms of renewable energy. New battery technology, carbon capture and storage, new energy efficiency technologies and smart energy transmission technologies should be part of the mix....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-cohen/its-time-to-abandon-the-d_b_5899448.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-cohen/its-time-to-abandon-the-d_b_5899448.html)


Big businesses climate momentum increased during Climate Week NYC:
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"There were a lot of heads of state leading up to this [summit] that were very curious about what companies were going to say because they needed talking points for their speeches...so they could say, look, this isn't going to kill jobs, this is something that a lot of companies are behind, and this is, in a lot of cases, good for the economy," Metzger said.

He paraphrased comments from Ikea CEO Peter Agnefjall, who urged an audience of government leaders to act boldly on climate change, reassuring them, "You take that ambitious step, and we'll be there to support you. We'll be there behind you."

That kind of message, Metzger said, "helps a lot for those heads of state who feel like they're putting their neck out there with industry if they're going to regulate carbon or put a price on carbon."
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20140929/big-business-climate-change-movement-grows-size-and-heft (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20140929/big-business-climate-change-movement-grows-size-and-heft)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 30, 2014, 08:21:48 PM
Attempts to regulate residential solar power face difficulty balancing the energy companies' costs to maintain the grid versus consumer pricing for solar energy supplied to the grid.

Some good links at the bottom of the article, also.

http://www.vox.com/2014/9/29/6849723/solar-power-net-metering-utilities-fight-states (http://www.vox.com/2014/9/29/6849723/solar-power-net-metering-utilities-fight-states)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on September 30, 2014, 08:54:43 PM
The old pricing model is broken.  Large thermal plants operated under a system in which they sold their off peak output for little or nothing.  Then made their profits off of the much higher price of peak demand.

Solar whacks that peak and causes prices to fall.  Look at what happens to the price of midday electricity in Germany on a sunny day.

(https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi619.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt275%2FBob_Wall%2FGermanyPreandPostSolar.jpg&hash=707488e597898edbd25b429653345c56) (http://s619.photobucket.com/user/Bob_Wall/media/GermanyPreandPostSolar.jpg.html)

And that's will only a small percentage of electricity coming from solar.

We're going to need a new model. 

Net metering is also not workable.  It takes only a modest amount of solar before the value of solar to the utility drops quite low.  Then they are being asked to pay back with more expensive power.  Look at the bottom of the Germany graph.  3.5 Euro cent electricity in.  More than 4.5 Euro cent electricity out.  And no recovery for distribution costs.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 02, 2014, 03:16:26 AM
Wow. 
Henry Paulson, Treasury Secretary during President George W. Bush’s administration, says the stresses that nearly brought down the U.S. financial sector in 2008 are now playing out in climate.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kitconews/2014/09/22/climate-change-is-single-biggest-risk-to-global-economy-paulson-at-cgi2014 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/kitconews/2014/09/22/climate-change-is-single-biggest-risk-to-global-economy-paulson-at-cgi2014)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 02, 2014, 06:05:45 PM
Today's edition of the prestigious scientific journal Nature calls for the "tenuous 2C warming target" to be ditched and replaced with other indicators of planetary health.

Commentary:
http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/ditch-2c-warming-goal-says-nature.html (http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/ditch-2c-warming-goal-says-nature.html)

The Nature article:
http://www.nature.com/news/climate-policy-ditch-the-2-c-warming-goal-1.16018 (http://www.nature.com/news/climate-policy-ditch-the-2-c-warming-goal-1.16018)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 03, 2014, 02:40:23 AM
No longer government-contracted only:  Private sector money is starting to fund huge clean energy projects.  This article describes one.

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Until recently—i.e., pre-2008—renewable energy projects of great size and scope simply didn’t happen in [the US]. Solar and wind were essentially cottage industries. Since 2008, we’ve seen several large projects appear on the landscape: 250-megawatt solar plants, 400-megawatt wind farms. But many of them were only initiated because the government was willing to provide the capital or to guarantee loans. We’ve witnessed a sea change in just a few years. It is now routine for the private sector to back large-scale renewable energy plans. And companies are now offering to fund truly massive, ambitious, experimental plans on their own.
Ten years ago, the prospect of private companies creating electricity from a 2.1-gigawatt wind farm in Wyoming and storing it for a period in underground caves in Utah before sending it to Los Angeles would have seemed an insane proposition. Now, it’s just another press release.
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2014/10/renewable_energy_projects_the_private_sector_not_the_government_is_funding.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2014/10/renewable_energy_projects_the_private_sector_not_the_government_is_funding.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 03, 2014, 10:08:03 PM
It's not looking too promising for a global climate treaty in Paris.  But I'm seeing more and more articles that downplay the importance that agreement.  The feeling is, regions and countries will turn to renewables because it simply makes economic sense.  And, GDP growth no longer depends on fossil fuel growth.

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As negotiators look to next year’s UN climate conference in Paris, there is increasing discussion of a new way forward that does not depend on sweeping international agreements. Some analysts are pointing to Plan B — recasting the climate issue as one of national self-interest rather than global treaties.
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[T]he global explosion in solar power is a major reason why almost half of all new electricity generating capacity coming on stream last year was from renewables. And that trend helps explain why there has been at least a partial break in the previously lockstep rise of global GDP and CO2 emissions, which historically have increased at about the same levels.
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/beyond_treaties_a_new_way_of_framing_global_climate_action/2809/ (http://e360.yale.edu/feature/beyond_treaties_a_new_way_of_framing_global_climate_action/2809/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 03, 2014, 10:21:36 PM
I think climate change is becoming less and less something we have to address via governments.  Market forces are starting to take over that role.

Efficiency and renewable energy improve the bottom line.  Ford just decided to invest $25 million in LED lighting for its buildings.  That will pay back in about 3.6 years.  A 20% return on investment or more.  The calculation doesn't include lower maintenance costs.

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/10/03/70-reduction-energy-bills-ford-due-25-million-led-investment/ (http://cleantechnica.com/2014/10/03/70-reduction-energy-bills-ford-due-25-million-led-investment/)

I think the most important thing that could come of the Paris talks would be some rogue national governments like Australia and Canada finding themselves receiving some massive disapproval.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: SATire on October 03, 2014, 10:38:18 PM
The old pricing model is broken.  Large thermal plants operated under a system in which they sold their off peak output for little or nothing.  Then made their profits off of the much higher price of peak demand.
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And that's will only a small percentage of electricity coming from solar.

We're going to need a new model. 
Bob, you are right we need a new pricing model. Currently they work on a new pricing model - e.g. to pay for also for back-up capacity and not only kWh - to save the big utility a bit longer.

And it is not a small percentage of solar causing that low prices at noon: We have 30% solar in the grid on a sunny summer day at noon...

lot of data here:
http://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/de/downloads/pdf-files/data-nivc-/stromproduktion-aus-solar-und-windenergie-2014.pdf (http://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/de/downloads/pdf-files/data-nivc-/stromproduktion-aus-solar-und-windenergie-2014.pdf)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: SATire on October 03, 2014, 10:53:59 PM
I think climate change is becoming less and less something we have to address via governments.  Market forces are starting to take over that role.
Sorry Bob - market "forces" will not save us, just because that "forces" ignore everything, that must be paid by someone else - e.g. children or poeple abroad or just someone else but not me...

If CO2 is not prohibited emission will never stopp - that is life under "market forces" which today is not much different from life under "politics forces" or "poeples forces" just because politics and poeple believe in markets these days.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 03, 2014, 11:20:43 PM
I disagree. 

Let's look at personal transportation.  Within two years both GM and Tesla are expected to start selling EVs with 200 mile ranges for about $30,000.  The average selling price of a car in the US is a bit over $31,000 so that makes these EVs affordable for many buyers.

Then when you calculate in the annual fuel and maintenance savings these EVs become a lot more attractive. 

As prices continue to drop people are going to pay a little more for an EV that will save them major dollars of their ownership of the vehicle.

And electricity. 

The installed cost for onshore wind is $1.63/W.  For PV solar it's $1.81/W.  For CCNG it's $1.09/W.  For Nuclear it's $6.94/W.  Then add in fuel costs for CCNG which makes it more expensive than wind and solar.

Between now and 2050 we will need to replace almost every single thermal plant now operating in the US.  Coal simply won't be licensed and would be even more expensive than nuclear.  Wind and solar will be the dominate energy sources.  We'll see storage eat away more and more of NG's role as a wind/solar fill-in.




Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on October 04, 2014, 12:02:26 AM
Bob,

Your schedule for the implementation of climate change solutions is frighteningly slow considering that the mean global surface temperature rise will like exceed 2oC by (or before) 2035.  Furthermore, having EVs on the market before the power plants are converted/replaced will not help climate change by 2035.

By 2050 there will likely be over 10 Billion people on the planet, so even if US market capitalism somehow converts 40% if its power generation to renewables by 2050, mean global temperatures will still be increasing rapidly, unless carbon capture and sequesterization (or geo-engineering) is implemented.

Best,
ASLR
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 01:48:13 AM
Which scientific body (bodies) are predicting a 2C increase by 2030?
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EVs and renewables feed off each other.  It's a symbiotic relationship which aides both.

EVs are a great dispatchable load.  The average EV needs about three hours of charging per day on a regular 240 vac outlet.  Cars spend about 90% of their time parked.  EVs are great ways to cut the top off wind and solar supply peaks and can drop out when supply is taxed,  some cars will be able to skip charging for multiple days.

With EVs taking the spikes that means that more wind and solar can be brought on line without adding storage.  And that makes the math better for investing in wind and solar.

EVs will create a market for late night generation by onshore wind.  Revenue increases will mean more investment and more wind on line for peak hour needs.

In exchange for being dispatchable loads (letting the utility determine time of charging) EV drivers will get better charging rates which makes the economics of driving with electricity even better.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 04, 2014, 02:08:36 AM
Also, increasing amounts of EV charging will be done by off-grid solar, at residential or business locations.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on October 04, 2014, 02:08:48 AM
Which scientific body (bodies) are predicting a 2C increase by 2030?

In the following links Michael Mann projects a 2C increase by 2036 using a middle of the road assumption that ECS = 3.0C (see also attached image):

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-will-cross-the-climate-danger-threshold-by-2036/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-will-cross-the-climate-danger-threshold-by-2036/)

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mann-why-global-warming-will-cross-a-dangerous-threshold-in-2036/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mann-why-global-warming-will-cross-a-dangerous-threshold-in-2036/)

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bruce Steele on October 04, 2014, 02:37:33 AM
Bob Wallace, BAU till 2035 will damn sure commit the planet to the 2 degree temperature threshold. You can argue all you want about solar/wind being a panacea but if we continue BAU to build and implement this revolution and we use fossil fuels until we have renewables generating enough power to manufacture themselves and displace rather than augment f/f well that 2035 timeline becomes rather pressing.  A lot of sea level rise is already locked in and a lot more heating will ensue if we breach the 2 degree mark . I and many others argue this will require a large austerity commitment both individually and nationally and without evidence of that commitment I have very little confidence that timeline can/will be met.
 I have spent a lot of effort over the last ten years trying to rise the flag on ocean acidification risks. It is barely on the view screen of most people . I just don't see how we can get this train turned around in twenty years and acidification, heating and sea level rise will continue apace for a long time after we finally begin our carbon descent.
 So if the U.S. public bought small or small electric cars, used much smaller electric appliances , traveled less , demanded LESS from government I would be all optimistic with you but sorry I just do not see it ... Canada either. Frugal is part of this deal or current gluttony will push us past timeline. 
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on October 04, 2014, 03:52:56 AM
Bruce,

That was extremely well said, and I couldn't agree with you more; however, I concerned that it will prove very difficult to get our world market place to buy into austerity until we are well past a 2C temperature rise and a large amount of bad consequences are locked into the climate system.

All the Best,
ASLR
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: ccgwebmaster on October 04, 2014, 05:12:10 AM
That was extremely well said, and I couldn't agree with you more; however, I concerned that it will prove very difficult to get our world market place to buy into austerity until we are well past a 2C temperature rise and a large amount of bad consequences are locked into the climate system.

Bad consequences? Or potentially utterly catastrophic? The more warming, the greater the risks of natural feedbacks keeping things moving along. We don't really know for sure they can't dominate even now (once committed warming from existing emissions is expressed), let alone however many decades into the future of a misguided 2C goal failure you look.

In fact, nothing to me suggests people will make a concerned effort to tackle this - I predict people will move almost seamlessly from consumption and growth fixation to competition and survival mode. When you're fighting to survive, you usually shorten your time horizons and use all the tools you've got - long term consequences be damned.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 05:26:29 AM
Say, Bruce.  Would you please point out where I recommended BAU until 2035?

I'm having trouble remembering anytime I've ever said anything like that.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bruce Steele on October 04, 2014, 06:18:46 AM
Bob Wallace, ASLR suggested 2035 . Whether that is a Co2 temperature commitment that results in the 2 degree threshold or actually pushing the thermometer there by 2035 is splitting hairs. BAU is and has been all I have seen for my short ten years of obsessively watching.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 06:59:11 AM
What are you watching, Bruce?

Are you watching the price drops for wind and solar?  Are you  watching the accelerating installation rates for wind and solar?  Are you watching the accelerating sales rates for EVs and PHEVs? 
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: ccgwebmaster on October 04, 2014, 07:09:11 AM
Are you watching the price drops for wind and solar?  Are you  watching the accelerating installation rates for wind and solar?  Are you watching the accelerating sales rates for EVs and PHEVs?

He might be watching the rising atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide? No signs whatsoever of a slow down in that yet. Doesn't matter how you rearrange the deckchairs if the ship is still sinking, and just stopping emissions is not necessarily enough anyway.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: SATire on October 04, 2014, 03:57:56 PM
What are you watching, Bruce?

Are you watching the price drops for wind and solar?  Are you  watching the accelerating installation rates for wind and solar?  Are you watching the accelerating sales rates for EVs and PHEVs?
Bob, what you are watching is happening. But those increasing installations of solar and wind will just result in an increased consumption of electricity, if you let the market forces do their work allone. Cheaper energy available allways results in more energy used. Look back - that happened with adding coal and then with oil, gas, nuclear to the mnix and now with solar & wind.

The "market forces" will not result in less CO2 emissions because those forces have no idea about CO2. CO2 emission has zero cost. Once we cap CO2 - like only 5 Gt left to emitt - and make the markets believe, that we will force that by all means, then the market forces may do their work to get the most efficient transition. But as long as nobody believes that we will go for a 2°C goal as long the market forces are of no use for the transition. We have to teach the markets very well before we may benefit. E.g. would you think that market forces would have put an end to slavery? No - that was done by brute force. We have to know what to do and then we have to act. Market forces are only a tool which may be efficient, if you set-up some proper rules for to achieve your goals by market forces.

Thus politics have to set-up that rules now, that may drive climate change actions in future. But that rules are not present today and no climate change action is seriously taken. We just have started some first sand-box games in preparation of the possible future rules.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on October 04, 2014, 05:13:30 PM
Per the following linked article, the US military is not assuming that market place solutions are going to provide some kind of easy fix to our current situation.  The US military (and any military worth its salt) is making preparations for the real world consequences of climate change, that are happening right now, and that are going to get worse more rapidly than 51% of voters current realize.

http://www.businessinsider.com/climate-change-military-2014-7 (http://www.businessinsider.com/climate-change-military-2014-7)

That said, until 51% of voters decide that a serious effort (such as pointed out by SATire & Bruce) needs to be made by politician (there currently aren't any statesmen) to discipline the market place to address fossil fuel use, then it is the job of worldwide military organizations to keep their eyes wide open to the reality of our current rush to climate consequences.  Unfortunately, spending more money on the military will mean less money for addressing climate change; which is yet another positive feedback factor.

See also:
http://www.cna.org/sites/default/files/MAB_2014.pdf (http://www.cna.org/sites/default/files/MAB_2014.pdf)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: ccgwebmaster on October 04, 2014, 06:41:30 PM
E.g. would you think that market forces would have put an end to slavery? No - that was done by brute force. We have to know what to do and then we have to act. Market forces are only a tool which may be efficient, if you set-up some proper rules for to achieve your goals by market forces.

Unfiortunately, slavery is a bad (or maybe good) example to quote - because it still happens in a very big way today. Therein, I submit, lies the hint as to the problem of controlling carbon emissions by any means at all - including force of legislation. For as long as anyone can make any money from it, given people are willing to engage in far more immediately obviously immoral activities for their selfish profit - how can one really be sure it can be ended at all, save by total collapse?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on October 04, 2014, 07:36:34 PM
Keeping slaves and burning fossil fuel is evil, yet profitable. That means capitalism, the market, the invisible hand, whatever you want to call the dominant force of today, will promote evil. Plain and simple. Collapse adds a twist to the equation, however. The sooner we can accomplish a total collapse, the better for life on Earth. That may be counterintuitive to most people, yet most people are not excellent thinkers. Transfer to renewable energy may in fact prolong the Great Pain for Mother Earth.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 08:40:52 PM
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Bob, what you are watching is happening. But those increasing installations of solar and wind will just result in an increased consumption of electricity, if you let the market forces do their work allone. Cheaper energy available allways results in more energy used. Look back - that happened with adding coal and then with oil, gas, nuclear to the mnix and now with solar & wind.

Unlikely for a couple of reasons.

First, I doubt that a meaningful percent of the population does a lot to limit their electricity use because of the cost of electricity.  This is the old Jeavon's Paradox improperly applied.  If the average cost of electricity goes from 12c to 10c I really doubt people will go around their houses switching on more lights and powering up the TV in the guest room just because their electricity bill drops a few bucks.

Second, do remember that we are doing a lot to increase efficiency.  Incandescent light bulbs are going away.  And, without realizing it, when people replace their old refer, TV, computer, whatever they are likely buying something that uses less energy.

Now market forces are almost never the sole driver in change.  We simply don't have free markets, someone always has a thumb on the scale.  My point is that after political forces created an adequate market prices have fallen to the point at which basic economics are taking over.  With wind and solar becoming the cheapest ways to generate electricity investors are not going to put their money into more expensive, non-competitive technology.

Finally, if energy consumption increases on a global level, so what?  We have 1.4 to 1.6 billion people who have access to no electricity except for the batteries they may purchase.  We can give them electricity with wind and solar while risking no shortage of sunshine or wind.  We're moving away from fossil fuels and outdated concepts like EROEI.  We're turning extremely abundant energy into a usable form with the use of materials which are in very large supply and largely recyclable.

We can provide every single person on the globe with a few kWh of electricity and do it sustainably.



Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 08:49:37 PM
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The "market forces" will not result in less CO2 emissions because those forces have no idea about CO2. CO2 emission has zero cost. Once we cap CO2 - like only 5 Gt left to emitt - and make the markets believe, that we will force that by all means, then the market forces may do their work to get the most efficient transition.

I disagree.  Wind-electricity is cheaper than natural gas-electricity. (Solar is getting there.)  The market will pick cheaper wind rather than more expensive NG.  And that will result in less CO2.

This is the point I'm trying to get across.  Very low CO2 generation has become cheaper than high CO2 generation. 

That is not to say that market forces alone will get the job done quickly enough.  They may or may not.  (If the IPCC target of 40% to 70% reduction by 2050 is correct then I think market forces alone will get us above 40%.)

Climate change is very dangerous and there is no rational argument for why we should risk it.  The wisest route, IMO, would be to add a carbon price to the mix and increase the market's decisions to become more efficient and switch to renewables faster.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 08:56:09 PM
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E.g. would you think that market forces would have put an end to slavery? No - that was done by brute force. We have to know what to do and then we have to act. Market forces are only a tool which may be efficient, if you set-up some proper rules for to achieve your goals by market forces.

Market forces wouldn't have eliminated slavery in the 1800s because there was no cheaper option.

Now the least expensive choices for new electricity generation are wind and solar (natural gas is in there but moving out).

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The highly conservative International Energy Agency predicts the cost of solar energy will fall to around 4c/kWh in coming decades as the sun becomes the dominant source of power generation across the world.

As we reported on Monday, the IEA now expects solar to become the biggest single source of energy by 2050 and has now doubled its forecast capacity for solar PV.

Rooftop solar, it says, will now account for one half of the world’s solar PV installations, because as a distributed energy source the technology is “unbeatable”.

On costs, it says all solar technologies will fall dramatically in coming decades, with solar PV falling to as low as 4c/kWh, utility-scale solar to around the same level, and solar thermal with storage will fall to as low as 6.4c/kWh.

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/10/03/solar-power-costs-headed-toward-4ckwh/#comment-1619237454 (http://cleantechnica.com/2014/10/03/solar-power-costs-headed-toward-4ckwh/#comment-1619237454)

The IEA is wrong about "around 4c/kWh in coming decades".  Solar will almost certainly hit 4c/kWh this decade in sunny (high CF) locations.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 08:59:06 PM
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The sooner we can accomplish a total collapse, the better for life on Earth.

That's one of the most f***ing idiotic statements I've ever read.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: ccgwebmaster on October 04, 2014, 09:23:40 PM
First, I doubt that a meaningful percent of the population does a lot to limit their electricity use because of the cost of electricity.  This is the old Jeavon's Paradox improperly applied.  If the average cost of electricity goes from 12c to 10c I really doubt people will go around their houses switching on more lights and powering up the TV in the guest room just because their electricity bill drops a few bucks.

Maybe you're comfortably affluent, but when 46 million Americans receive food stamps in a country not known for welfare generosity, do you really honestly believe the price of electricity doesn't affect behaviour? I mean, seriously?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: ccgwebmaster on October 04, 2014, 09:25:49 PM
Market forces wouldn't have eliminated slavery in the 1800s because there was no cheaper option.

And they still haven't eliminated it today. That's rather important in this context. In the US, today - there are still slaves.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on October 04, 2014, 09:32:01 PM
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The sooner we can accomplish a total collapse, the better for life on Earth.

That's one of the most f***ing idiotic statements I've ever read.

LOL  ;D

I did say it was counterintuitive.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 09:35:25 PM
No, it's stupid.  Stupid and evil.

What you are wishing for is a horrible death for billions of humans and the extinction of innumerable species of plants and animals.

It's not counter-intuitive.  It's beyond despicable.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 09:39:10 PM
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And they still haven't eliminated it today. That's rather important in this context. In the US, today - there are still slaves.

Why should we expect market forces to eliminate slavery? 

Market forces are neither inherently good or inherently evil.   Market forces will drive behavior to the extent that other forces allow them to freely operate.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: ccgwebmaster on October 04, 2014, 09:44:55 PM
No, it's stupid.  Stupid and evil.

What you are wishing for is a horrible death for billions of humans and the extinction of innumerable species of plants and animals.

It's not counter-intuitive.  It's beyond despicable.

Actually what's beyond despicable is the way that the last few generations have consumed massive amounts of resources and grossly mismanaged the planet such that future generations are going to be cursed for potentially the indefinite future of our species. The victims have no redress and no voice in this to boot.

I'm pretty sure if the number of humans were substantially dropped, the extinction of other species would be much less than the reverse (particularly as most of the ongoing mass extinction has been driven by habitat loss - climate change is yet to be expressed fully there).

Given the failure of current civilisation to value their descendants at all, removing it arguably does more good than harm. An early crash could limit damage to both the ecosystem and reckless resource consumption. Besides, our current trajectory has collapse in our future almost regardless - the harm to humanity could also be reduced with a managed and early descent (or even retreat if it isn't much too late for something so orderly).

Our species doesn't seem ready to handle technologies that have negative impacts on a planetary scale, if we were, we wouldn't be destroying our own future, would we?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 09:45:24 PM
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Maybe you're comfortably affluent, but when 46 million Americans receive food stamps in a country not known for welfare generosity, do you really honestly believe the price of electricity doesn't affect behaviour? I mean, seriously?

46 million out of 330 million.  That's 14% of the total population.  If electricity prices drop then a small portion of the population may increase their electricity use to some extent. 

Since many of these people are already receiving some sort of utility assistance they may not be curtailing their electricity use all that much now.  Remember, the average US electricity bill is $100/month.  If you're on a low rate assistance program you may be spending well less than $2 per day for electricity now. 

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: ccgwebmaster on October 04, 2014, 09:45:37 PM
Why should we expect market forces to eliminate slavery? 

Same question for fossil fuel consumption, and yet you repeatedly insist market forces will solve our problems...
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 09:48:04 PM
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Actually what's beyond despicable is the way that the last few generations have consumed massive amounts of resources and grossly mismanaged the planet such that future generations are going to be cursed for potentially the indefinite future of our species. The victims have no redress and no voice in this to boot.

Clearly we should have cut way back on fossil fuel use many years ago.  That is going to cause problems going forward.

But let's not damn past behavior and ignore the good that was done.  We pass on a planet with serious problems but also one with serious problems solved.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 09:52:59 PM
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Same question for fossil fuel consumption, and yet you repeatedly insist market forces will solve our problems...

You are not correctly reading what I've written.

I have never insisted that market forces will solve our problems.  That is your creation.

I have reported how renewable energy prices have fallen enough for the market to start picking renewables over fossil fuels.  And how it is highly likely that within the next couple of years we will EVs that will start a mass movement away from the internal combustion engine and petroleum.

I have guessed that market forces alone might get us past the 40% by 2050 threshold, but not stated that it would certainly happen.  I have stated that the wise approach would be to add political/legislative pressure on top of market forces to speed the transition away from fossil fuels.

Please read what I write and don't attempt to put words in my mouth.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: ccgwebmaster on October 04, 2014, 09:57:43 PM
I have never insisted that market forces will solve our problems.  That is your creation.

I have reported how renewable energy prices have fallen enough for the market to start picking renewables over fossil fuels.  And how it is highly likely that within the next couple of years we will EVs that will start a mass movement away from the internal combustion engine and petroleum.

I have guessed that market forces alone might get us past the 40% by 2050 threshold, but not stated that it would certainly happen.  I have stated that the wise approach would be to add political/legislative pressure on top of market forces to speed the transition away from fossil fuels.

Please read what I write and don't attempt to put words in my mouth.

Well, OK - fair enough - but basically it's all just speculation until it actually happens? Whereas carbon emissions and ongoing climate change (plus committed change) are already current reality. If it all played out as you say, great - I just don't see it happening yet. The potential is there, sure - but so is the potential for lots of things - that's why I don't rate it until it actually convincingly happens I guess.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on October 04, 2014, 10:01:12 PM
Most people don't distinguish between a civilization collapse and a full eco collapse. Removing civilization will be like removing a cancer, and actually good for the biosphere.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: ccgwebmaster on October 04, 2014, 10:12:43 PM
Most people don't distinguish between a civilization collapse and a full eco collapse. Removing civilization will be like removing a cancer, and actually good for the biosphere.

But previous civilisations have managed to exist much more sustainably and with much less long term harm than ours, so I think it's a mistake to say civilisation is at fault per se? We could surely do better, and indeed we must if we want any future (and a future necessarily entails some sort of civilisation, realistically, no?).
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 10:38:24 PM
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Well, OK - fair enough - but basically it's all just speculation until it actually happens? Whereas carbon emissions and ongoing climate change (plus committed change) are already current reality. If it all played out as you say, great - I just don't see it happening yet.

It (the transition away from fossil fuels) is happening.  I'm trying to show you where and why.

That does not mean that the transition is guaranteed or will happen fast enough.  But we do seem to have succeeded in one part of what is necessary to move ourselves off fossil fuels.  We have created the needed technology and brought the price of that technology down to a point at which it is highly competitive with fossil fuels.

This means we have eliminated the "It would be too expensive" excuse.  We won't need to use political force and jam much higher energy prices down people's throats.  In fact, we'll save people money by quitting fossil fuels.

And we've started reducing CO2 outputs in some of the world's countries.  Not all, but a number of the higher per capita energy users are producing less CO2 per person and less CO2 per country.

It's time to quit wringing our hands in desperation(or enjoying the fantasy of a Waterworld world).  We've got solutions.  Time to put our individual efforts into speeding up the transition.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 10:41:17 PM
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Most people don't distinguish between a civilization collapse and a full eco collapse. Removing civilization will be like removing a cancer, and actually good for the biosphere.

That is a very naive statement.

Have you ever been somewhere where people were starving?  People will kill every edible plant and animal, and many non-edible, as they die in an attempt to stay alive for a few more hours.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 10:47:48 PM
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But previous civilisations have managed to exist much more sustainably and with much less long term harm than ours, so I think it's a mistake to say civilisation is at fault per se? We could surely do better, and indeed we must if we want any future (and a future necessarily entails some sort of civilisation, realistically, no?).

We have a romanticized view of the civilizations that preceded ours.  Many of those civilizations were incredibly destructive to the environment.  We know of several advanced civilizations that collapsed because they overran their environment.  Our romanticized 'first Americans' largely practiced a destroy, trash and move on existence.

Past civilizations were somewhat controlled by disease and climate variation.  We've greatly removed the chance of dying before reproduction which has allowed our population numbers to soar.  We've spread out across the planet in such numbers that there are very few places left for us to flee our dirtied nests.  Now we've got to put our energies into creating sustainable lifestyles rather than continuing to 'slash and burn'.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on October 04, 2014, 10:59:42 PM
If you've read Clive Ponting's "Green history of the world" and Jared Diamond's "Collapse", the past civilizations all depleted their resource base and destroyed local ecosystems. The only reason they didn't bring down the entire planet, was of course that they were small and local. Many collapsed because their elites were too far removed from the basics, from Earth, the Latin American pyramids with their priests on top of them as a visual allegory. Why would they care about what happened in the fields or in the rivers? Servants would bring them plenty of food anyway.

Yes, I believe we will have small communities of humans in, say, 20 years from now. But maybe not in 2100? It all depends on how much of the biosphere is destroyed along with civilization itself. Yet we need to remember humans survived enormous hardships before civilization before us, but then the forests were also full of game.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 04, 2014, 11:12:40 PM
Or we could implement the solutions we have, including a gradual population decrease, and get it right this time.

There's likely a sustainable future for humans if we want it.  We don't necessarily have to die back to levels at which we can't fuck stuff up faster than it regrows naturally.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on October 05, 2014, 12:42:56 AM
Obviously if people are going to work towards improving our climate change situation they will need to be motivated, therefore I provide the following link to the portion of the National Academy of Sciences website that addresses abrupt climate change.  The information presented there is in now way alarmist, but in my opinion is certainly alarming:

http://nas-sites.org/americasclimatechoices/other-reports-on-climate-change/2013-2/abrupt-impacts-of-climate-change/ (http://nas-sites.org/americasclimatechoices/other-reports-on-climate-change/2013-2/abrupt-impacts-of-climate-change/)

However, in the way of action I do not think that we should use either the terms "carbon tax" nor "cap and trade" as they are too polarizing.  Instead I think that we should encourage officials of individual governments to enact a "carbon fee with a dividend" legislation, where the "carbon fee" is appropriate to wean society off of fossil fuels as fast as feasible, and where the "dividend" is rebated to the citizens of that country from the pool of "carbon fee" monies in order to make them willing to accept the "carbon fees".  Furthermore, I believe that individual countries who enact such a "carbon fee with a dividend" legislation should also enact legislation that would impose tariffs on goods with a carbon foot print from countries that do not also enact such "carbon fee with a dividend" system, and that further the funds from the tariffs such be used to provide funds to help achieve high priority goals like stopping and reversing deforestation.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on October 05, 2014, 01:10:27 AM
Thanks, ASLR.

In the same spirit, I would encourage everybody to read  this important letter (http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2014/methane-07-29-2014.html), from scientists to the US corporate elite (aka "government").
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Laurent on October 05, 2014, 01:25:24 PM
The Climate March: Beyond Asking Those Beholden to the Wrong People to Do the Right Thing
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-goldstein/climate-progress-beyond-a_b_5889056.html?utm_hp_ref=green&ir=Green (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-goldstein/climate-progress-beyond-a_b_5889056.html?utm_hp_ref=green&ir=Green)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on October 05, 2014, 03:46:57 PM
Very interesting piece, Laurent. Christ Hedges is right IMO. But maybe corporate elites should continue running things, in order to avoid a prolonged collapse, that would almost certainly bring down a larger share of the biosphere along with civilization? Civilization seems doomed in any case, whoever runs things, so the question IMO is how many of the other species we wish to take with us in the coming collapse.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 05, 2014, 06:33:37 PM
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Civilization seems doomed

If you wear doomer goggles.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on October 05, 2014, 08:37:28 PM
Thanks, ASLR.

In the same spirit, I would encourage everybody to read  this important letter (http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2014/methane-07-29-2014.html), from scientists to the US corporate elite (aka "government").

Regarding the importance of this letter, I provide the first attached image (from the IPCC AR5), and associated caption, shows that over a 10-year period the Global Warming Potential for the 2008 emission, was higher for methane than for carbon dioxide; while the second figure (per the Scripps Mauna Loa station) indicates that the since 2008 the atmospheric methane concentration has increased.  I would like to note that the IPCC AR5 projections tend to be conservative.

Image Caption per the IPCC AR 5 Figure TS.8: "Global anthropogenic present-day emissions weighted by the Global Warming Potential (GWP) and the Global Temperature change Potential (GTP) for the chosen time horizons. Year 2008 (single-year pulse) emissions weighted by GWP, which is the global mean radiative forcing per unit mass emitted integrated over the indicated number of years relative to the forcing from CO2 emissions, and GTP which estimates the impact on global mean temperature based on the temporal evolution of both radiative forcing and climate response per unit mass emitted relative to the impact of CO2 emissions. The units are “CO2 equivalents” which reflects equivalence only in the impact parameter of the chosen metric (integrated RF over the chosen time horizon for GWP; temperature change at the chosen point in time for GTP), given as Pg(CO2)eq (left axis) and PgCeq (right axis) (see footnote 5)."
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on October 06, 2014, 02:13:51 AM
The attached image (and associated caption) are from the IPCC's AR5 and shows the radiative forcing (RF) total from 1750 to 2011, by emitted components.  I have previously discussed how important RF from methane is (second to carbon dioxide); however, I would like to draw attention the very large uncertainty associated with black carbon (BC), which means that while it is shown as the third most important RF, the uncertainty bar means that BC could well be the second most important RF.  The following link also discusses how recent measurement indicate that BC emission from the undeveloped world (which is difficult to regulate) is larger than previously believed.


Caption: "Radiative forcing of climate change during the industrial era shown by emitted components from 1750 to 2011. The horizontal bars indicate the overall uncertainty, while the vertical bars are for the individual components (vertical bar lengths proportional to the relative uncertainty, with a total length equal to the bar width for a ±50% uncertainty). Best estimates for the totals and individual components (from left to right) of the response are given in the right column. Values are RF except for the ERF of aerosol-cloud interactions (ERFaci). An additional rapid adjustment to aerosol-radiation interactions of –0.1 [–0.3 to +0.1] W m–2 is attributable primarily to black carbon (ERFari-RFari in Figure TS.6). CFCs= Chlorofluorocarbons, HCFCs= Hydrochlorofluorocarbons, HFCs=Hydrofluorocarbons, PFCs= Perfluorocarbons, NMVOC= Non-Methane Volatile Organic Compounds, BC= Black Carbon."

See also:
http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-10-01/newly-minted-genius-hopes-stop-pollution-soot-and-smoke (http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-10-01/newly-minted-genius-hopes-stop-pollution-soot-and-smoke)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 06, 2014, 04:40:27 PM
Energy Efficiency.  It's not just about changing lightbulbs.

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A 40% cut in energy use by 2030 through efficiency measures would increase the UK’s GDP by £62bn and create 40,000 new jobs, according to unpublished EU figures.

Hitting a lower target of 30% would create 13,000 jobs and boost the economy by £17.3bn, says the study by independent consultancy Cambridge Econometrics, obtained by WWF after an access to information request.

The study underlines the impact of engineering the economy to use less energy. “The benefits of energy efficiency are impressive and we need to be ambitious,” said Brook Riley, a spokesman for Friends of the Earth. “GDP gains are three times higher with a 40% reduction target than with 30%. It is significant that the countries which were hardest hit by the financial crisis – Greece, Portugal, Ireland – are among the strongest advocates of going as far as we can.”
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/06/energy-efficiency-target-uk-economy (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/06/energy-efficiency-target-uk-economy)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 07, 2014, 07:52:07 AM
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In Australia this week, the $8 billion Local Government Super Fund announced it would divest $25 million of shares in companies that generate more that one-third of their income from “high carbon sensitive” activities, including coal and tar sands mining and coal-fired power generation.

The fund, which invests the retirement savings of 90,000 NSW council employees, said the decision was “largely economical,” driven by the view that governments will soon need to start taking action on climate change, and that this would have “a detrimental effect on heavy carbon emitting companies.”

The Australian Financial Review reported today that the new divestment policy would see some $15 million in AGL Energy and Whitehaven Coal shares sold.

The move by the LGSF follows that of the Australian National University, which last week announced it was dumping stocks linked with oil and resources and re-framing its investment policy along sustainable lines.

And this is just the beginning. As Bloomberg New Energy Finance noted in a report released in August, in the past two years dozens of public and private institutions have announced plans to divest their fossil fuel holdings because of environmental concerns, ethical investment strategies, or worries that assets might become “stranded” by emission regulations.

Last year the World Bank announced it would not fund any new coal power plants “except in exceptional circumstances”, with similar restrictions on new coal generation investments also announced by US, Scandinavian, European and UK development banks.

And at the start of 2014, 17 US philanthropic groups with combined assets of about $US1.8 billion promised to sell their investments in fossil fuel companies and instead put their money into clean-energy technology.

Last month, in the US, the heirs to the Big Oil derived Rockefeller fortune withdrew their funds from oil, gas and coal investments, calling it “astute business.”

In fact, the latest tally says more than 800 global investors – including foundations like the Rockefeller Brothers, religious groups, healthcare organisations, cities and universities – have pledged to withdraw a total of $50 billion from fossil fuel investments over the next five years.

But, as the BNEF report also noted, the $5 trillion global shift out of fossil fuels will be “far from easy,” requiring a massive scale-up of new investment vehicles.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/china-coal-consumption-down-23-as-more-funds-dump-fossil-fuels-40314 (http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/china-coal-consumption-down-23-as-more-funds-dump-fossil-fuels-40314)

Just scale up renewable energy investments.  That should make Maw Nature smile.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 08, 2014, 10:07:55 PM
The EU is poised to agree on a draft of 2030 climate and energy goals that would be binding on all 28 member states.  Cash would be made available to help poorer member states.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL6N0S24AB20141007?irpc=932 (http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL6N0S24AB20141007?irpc=932)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 09, 2014, 02:00:36 AM
US Federal judge to the state of Nebraska: you can't sue over an Environmental Protection Agency law that does not yet exist.
The ruling could affect other US anti-emission-control lawsuits.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/08/3577581/nebraska-epa-climate-lawsuit-dismissed/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/08/3577581/nebraska-epa-climate-lawsuit-dismissed/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 10, 2014, 08:08:29 PM
Essay by Richard Sennett, saying that the broader needs of climate change adaptation must outweigh the preference of city-states.

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The rebuilding which attempts to push back the sea so that people can return to their homes is very much in the city-state mode, aiming to keep the city together; whereas the adaptation strategy aims to break up much of the city. Adapting to climate change, in other words, means that coherence of the city’s form will alter, due to forces outside human control.
http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/09/why-climate-change-should-signal-the-end-of-the-city-state (http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/09/why-climate-change-should-signal-the-end-of-the-city-state)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 11, 2014, 03:02:52 AM
"Efficiency" is officially a thing!

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Since the 1970s, the United States and arguably much of the rest of the world have effectively broken the historical trend of energy consumption increasing in tandem with economic growth. The latter has kept going up while the former has plateaued. That means we’re figuring out how to do more with less; more wealth production for every unit of energy we use.

And because the rebound effect — the tendency of people to consume more energy as it becomes cheaper — tends to be much smaller than the total energy savings, energy efficiency is a crucial tool in reducing humanity’s carbon emissions. In projections IEA laid out for how the world can stay under 2°C of global warming, energy efficiency accounts for 40 percent of the emission reductions — the biggest single contributor.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/09/3578113/iea-new-efficiency-report/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/09/3578113/iea-new-efficiency-report/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 11, 2014, 04:18:48 AM
Negawatts, baby!
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 11, 2014, 02:22:04 PM
Oil price drop not an issue for Middle Eastern countries in the short-term.  But long-term....
Brief article raises an interesting question (but doesn't answer it).
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102078606 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/102078606)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 11, 2014, 02:23:02 PM
Why go solar?  Homeowner: "To save money."
Will solar become the next "must-have" technology, like microwave ovens or the latest cell phone?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102077585 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/102077585)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 11, 2014, 07:10:24 PM
Hundreds Of Hunting And Fishing Groups Voice Their Support For Action On Climate Change

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/10/3578498/hunting-fishing-groups-support-climate-action/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/10/3578498/hunting-fishing-groups-support-climate-action/)

This is interesting because its constituency is typically against Obama, against government regulations... and Republican, one would think.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on October 12, 2014, 05:15:49 AM
And gardeners.

If you haven't see it here's an interesting map that shows changes in plant zones from 1990 to 2006.

http://www.arborday.org/media/mapchanges.cfm (http://www.arborday.org/media/mapchanges.cfm)

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 15, 2014, 07:50:11 PM
Musings on ways to help coal miners in US Appalachia include a universal income.

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Coal-mining areas have it particularly bad, for sure. But I’m not sure I see a clean line between coal miners and the many, many other workers screwed by shifts in the modern economy. In fact …

Helping all workers

My preference would be for universal programs, which are much cleaner and less prone to unaccountability and waste. For instance, rather than target one group of dispossessed workers, why not help all workers with a universal basic income? Even many conservatives are coming around behind the idea, as it’s a way of helping the poor with minimal government bureaucracy or paternalism. Why not institute a carbon tax and use part of the revenue to send checks to poor people? And while I’m dreaming, why not get rid of America’s monstrous, Rube Goldberg healthcare system and replace it with single-payer?
http://grist.org/climate-energy/should-the-feds-bail-out-coal-miners/ (http://grist.org/climate-energy/should-the-feds-bail-out-coal-miners/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 16, 2014, 03:31:13 AM
**Sigh**
Gallop poll:  Climate Change is the least important issue in US midterm elections.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/178268/voters-give-gop-edge-handling-top-issues.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/178268/voters-give-gop-edge-handling-top-issues.aspx)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 18, 2014, 05:23:21 PM
Fossil fuel divestment: climate change activists take aim at Australia's banks
Saturday's ‘national day of divestment’ will see more than 1,000 bank customers switch their accounts away from the big four banks.

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“There are many different levers moving at the same time and no individual lever gets the outcome. But consumer action sends a signal. People moving their accounts or pension funds because of climate change is significant.”
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/18/fossil-fuel-divestment-climate-change-activists-take-aim-at-australias-banks (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/18/fossil-fuel-divestment-climate-change-activists-take-aim-at-australias-banks)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 18, 2014, 07:20:56 PM
China allocates money to pay workers unemployed due to a ban on logging.

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China has launched a trial ban on commercial logging in state-owned forests in the vast north-eastern province of Heilongjiang bordering Russia, home to much of the country’s timber industry. Forestry experts have hailed the ban as a major step forward, predicting it will enable timber supplies to recover and shift the industry’s focus towards improved forestry management.

To make the ban stick, the central government has allocated 2.35bn yuan a year to cover forestry workers’ living costs between 2014 and 2020, chinadialogue has learned from the State Forestry Administration (SFA). If the trial ban is successful, the policy may be extended throughout north east China and Inner Mongolia.

Replacement industries

Sheng Weitong, a forestry expert and former advisor to China’s cabinet-level state council, told chinadialogue that some laid-off loggers “will become forest rangers and learn how to manage forests because the vast numbers of young and semi-mature trees in these districts need management. Workers here neglected forest management in the past.”

Others will be encouraged to develop alternative industries such as tourism, growing blueberries, ginseng, edible mushrooms, and flowers, or raising chickens and frogs. Existing laws are thought sufficient to tackle illegal logging.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/17/china-tests-outright-logging-ban-in-state-forests (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/17/china-tests-outright-logging-ban-in-state-forests)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 19, 2014, 01:13:36 AM
The two candidates for the Senate seat from the coal state of Kentucky square off in a debate.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/14/3579531/grimes-coal-jobs/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/14/3579531/grimes-coal-jobs/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 28, 2014, 06:24:09 PM
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA, is greening areas of the city in creative ways to help deal with increasing storm water runoff.
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Milwaukee's first big upgrade came in 1994 when the city started using a deep tunnel system. Since that tunnel was put in place the district has captured about 98.3 percent of water and wastewater flushed into the system. Overflows to nearby rivers and Lake Michigan dropped from about 60 a year to just a few, Shafer said.

But the city wants to do more – mostly by greening, he said. The district is mandated to add one million gallons of green infrastructure capacity each year. And the goal is to capture the first half-inch of rainfall – the equivalent of 740 million gallons of storm water – using porous pavement, green roofs, rain gardens and barrels by the year 2035.

The plan would cost about $1.3 billion – or about $59 million per year, according to estimates. The sewerage district's current budget is about $100 million annually.
http://www.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/2014/10/milwaukee-climate-storms (http://www.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/2014/10/milwaukee-climate-storms)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 28, 2014, 06:29:31 PM
NOAA left in the dust again....

UK Met Office Awards Cray $128 Million Supercomputer Contract
http://investors.cray.com/mobile.view?c=98390&v=203&d=1&id=1982080 (http://investors.cray.com/mobile.view?c=98390&v=203&d=1&id=1982080)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 29, 2014, 02:32:25 PM
A majority of Canadians view environmental protection as being more important than energy prices and expect businesses to carry the burden of a carbon tax, according to a recent poll.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-28/most-canadians-say-environment-trumps-energy-prices.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-28/most-canadians-say-environment-trumps-energy-prices.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 29, 2014, 04:59:09 PM
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) is preparing legislation that will put a price on carbon in the US and he plans to introduce it next month. 
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“My legislation will generate significant new federal revenue—perhaps as much as two trillion dollars over the first decade.  Every dollar of this revenue should be returned to the American people,” he added.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/222123-sen-whitehouse-to-push-carbon-price-bill (http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/222123-sen-whitehouse-to-push-carbon-price-bill)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 03, 2014, 10:06:35 PM
What carbon?  Financial service professionals in the U.S. are investing in solar because new models make a great financial investment.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2014/10/altus_power_america_the_company_that_s_spreading_solar_energy_by_making.1.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2014/10/altus_power_america_the_company_that_s_spreading_solar_energy_by_making.1.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 03, 2014, 02:31:46 PM
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Amid Receipt of 'Alternative Nobel,' McKibben Donates Prize Money to 350.org, Steps Down as Chair
"Don’t worry," author and activist assured members. "I’ll still be there when the time comes to go to jail, or to march in the streets, or to celebrate the next big win on divestment."
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/12/02/amid-receipt-alternative-nobel-mckibben-donates-prize-money-350org-steps-down-chair (http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/12/02/amid-receipt-alternative-nobel-mckibben-donates-prize-money-350org-steps-down-chair)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: ghoti on December 03, 2014, 07:37:20 PM
Is this the right place to point to L C Hamilton's latest results about how politics in the US is tied to climate change beliefs?

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09644016.2014.976485#.VH9V9zHF-Sr (http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09644016.2014.976485#.VH9V9zHF-Sr)

Discussed by Chris Mooney:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/12/02/tea-partiers-and-traditional-republicans-are-split-on-science/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/12/02/tea-partiers-and-traditional-republicans-are-split-on-science/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 04, 2014, 01:50:12 AM
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The Environmental Protection Agency is reversing course, saying that the independent scientists on its advisory committees may speak freely with representatives of the media.

The new guidance, which the EPA is calling a clarification, follows a notice earlier this year stating that scientists on advisory panels must “refrain from responding in an individual capacity” to questions from the public and media about their participation in the panels.

The EPA now says scientists are free to respond to questions about their scientific work and their work with the agency, though they are still asked not to speak about deliberations of the committees.

“Should a [committee] member receive a press or other inquiry related more generally to their scientific area of expertise or related to their participation in a FAC (other than related to deliberations), they are free to respond to the inquiry in their capacity as a private citizen,” the EPA wrote in a notice posted to its website Monday, though issued in November.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/225706-epa-eases-media-rules-for-scientists (http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/225706-epa-eases-media-rules-for-scientists)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 04, 2014, 02:15:33 AM
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BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Europe moved a step back towards a plan to stigmatize Canada's tar sands as highly polluting on Wednesday, despite years of Ottawa's lobbying the EU bloc as part of its export drive.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0JH1SG20141203 (http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0JH1SG20141203)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 04, 2014, 03:07:14 PM
Op-Ed: "Most Canadians understand they contribute to the problem (through their own consumption habits) and must therefore take part in solutions."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/theres-now-a-canadian-consensus-its-time-for-action-on-climate-change/article21903984/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/theres-now-a-canadian-consensus-its-time-for-action-on-climate-change/article21903984/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Laurent on December 04, 2014, 05:30:37 PM
Climate change: UN projects for poorest 'feared frozen'
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30274813 (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30274813)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 06, 2014, 07:10:46 PM
So I'm guessing Modi's push for solar was not due to environmental concerns....   :(

Narendra Modi, Favoring Growth in India, Pares Back Environmental Rules
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To speed up project approvals, the committee recommended scrapping a layer of government inspections; instead, it said, India should rely on business owners to voluntarily disclose the pollution that their projects will generate and then monitor their own compliance, an approach the committee described as “the concept of utmost good faith.”

Environmentalists are worried that the new approach will go beyond cutting red tape and will do away with effective regulation altogether.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/world/indian-leader-favoring-growth-sweeps-away-environmental-rules.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/world/indian-leader-favoring-growth-sweeps-away-environmental-rules.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 07, 2014, 06:33:52 PM
Could pollution-shaming move India to greener efforts, following China's example?
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...On Wednesday, [India's] environmental court ordered a series of measures to address Delhi’s severe pollution, including all cars more than 15 years old taken off the city’s roads, air purifiers installed at the crowded markets and a crackdown on the burning of trash, the Guardian reported.

In its ruling the National Green Tribunal criticized Prime Minister Naendra Modi’s government for a lack of action to address Delhi’s dangerous pollution, stating, “nothing substantive has been suggested … for providing and controlling air pollution in Delhi primarily resulting from vehicular pollution and burning of plastics and other materials in (the) open.”
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/11/30/3597632/delhi-air-pollution/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/11/30/3597632/delhi-air-pollution/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 07, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
I feel like India is in the process of turning away from coal and toward renewables. 

It's Australia that needs to receive our scorn.  Not all of it, save some for parts of Canada and the US.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 12, 2014, 07:48:29 PM
A Pacific Coast model for addressing climate change.
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... Last year, our four governments — the states of California, Oregon and Washington and the Province of British Columbia — reached a landmark agreement to align climate and energy strategies for 54 million Americans and Canadians.

The Pacific Coast represents the world's fifth-largest economy, with a GDP of $2.8 trillion. By working together we are transforming our economies and influencing world markets for the better. Our regional model shows that it is possible to take serious action on climate change and simultaneously expand an economy with well-paying jobs. And we believe it can be a blueprint for other regions to take action.

Our agreement, which established the Pacific Coast Action Plan on Climate and Energy, represents a regionwide commitment to air quality, clean fuels, carbon pricing, and clean-energy jobs. But it also respects that we have different approaches to reaching our shared goals. California's carbon pricing program uses an economywide cap-and-trade system, while British Columbia has a revenue-neutral carbon tax program. Oregon is building on existing programs to set a price on carbon emissions. Washington is developing a carbon market program, including consultations with stakeholders.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1212-brown-west-coast-climate-change-plan-20141212-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1212-brown-west-coast-climate-change-plan-20141212-story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 14, 2014, 06:27:08 PM
Seven videos demonstrate climate success stories in different countries.
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The good news is that the decades of international inaction did not forestall climate action on a local scale, and success stories abound even in countries that have yet to make international commitments. Earlier this year, we featured some of these success stories during our 24 Hours of Reality: 24 Reasons for Hope broadcast, but I want to share them again here.
http://ecowatch.com/2014/12/12/climate-action-lima/ (http://ecowatch.com/2014/12/12/climate-action-lima/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 19, 2014, 02:33:20 AM
The National Hockey League has committed to becoming the first major sports league to go carbon-neutral.
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Under a partnership with the energy-services firm Constellation, the league will work with its 30 teams to slash its carbon emissions and purchase carbon offsets for all its emissions during the current 2014-15 season. The league is estimated to emit 530,000 metric tons of carbon this season through energy use at its arenas and offices, nearly 2 million miles of team air travel, consumption of goods, and other league operations.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/the-national-hockey-league-is-going-carbon-neutral-20141218 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/the-national-hockey-league-is-going-carbon-neutral-20141218)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 20, 2014, 02:37:50 PM
Legal battles for the climate are coming to the fore.
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With every passing year it becomes increasingly clear that climate change is not just an environmental issue. It’s damaging to public health. It’s a drag on the economy. And, more and more, it’s become the foundation for legal battles. As the far-reaching impacts of climate change are more immediately apparent, efforts to increase mitigation and adaptation — and push-back from those that depend on the status quo — are rising correspondingly, and ending up in court.

Here’s a look at some of the year’s biggest climate court cases and the legal battles that await us in 2015:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/12/19/3604707/4-legal-battles-climate-change/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/12/19/3604707/4-legal-battles-climate-change/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 21, 2014, 09:37:04 PM
The White House released guidelines this week aimed at helping hospitals adapt to the impacts of climate change, including increased risk of extreme weather and sea level rise.

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Gundersen health care system, which reached its goal of becoming energy independent in November, also announced a goal this week of reducing its energy consumption by 25 percent. In addition, in order to ensure that there was more of a stockpile of food in its hospitals in the case of an emergency, the system pledged to expand its partnerships with local food producers. And, in an attempt to increase the commute options for employees, the system plans on providing more incentives for employees to walk to work and to invest more in creating biking and walking options for nearby employees. This way, if a disaster shuts down major roadways, some employees have more of a chance of getting to work to care for patients.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/12/16/3604324/hospitals-prepare-for-climate-change/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/12/16/3604324/hospitals-prepare-for-climate-change/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 25, 2014, 03:02:29 AM
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While many say consumers are just paying lip service to good intentions, 55 percent of consumers surveyed across the globe say they will pay extra for products and services from companies committed to positive social and environmental impact, according to a Nielsen survey from June. That number is up from 45 percent in 2011.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102294074 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/102294074)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 26, 2014, 03:07:36 PM
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Before heading off to Hawaii for a brief Christmas vacation, President Obama held a press conference in which he used a football analogy to characterize his upcoming final two years in office. “My presidency is entering its fourth quarter,” he said. “Interesting stuff happens in the fourth quarter.”
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-obamas-a-wily-quarterback-20141224-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-obamas-a-wily-quarterback-20141224-story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 27, 2014, 03:48:19 PM
"Green Bonds" help spur climate-friendly programs, helped by established investment standards.
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After implementing this new strategy for funding environmentally friendly investments, the Mexican initiative is on track to reduce CO2 emissions by more than 1 million tons a year for the foreseeable future — the equivalent of cutting the carbon emissions of 217,000 cars annually, according to green bond pioneer World Bank, which issued the instrument.
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/green-bonds-mitigate-climate-change-18480 (http://www.climatecentral.org/news/green-bonds-mitigate-climate-change-18480)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 28, 2014, 12:35:16 AM
Rebecca Solnit: The Age of Capitalism is over
Rebecca Solnit assesses our poisonous fossil fuel dependency -- and why we're on the verge of a paradigm shift
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“We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings.”
- Ursula K. Le Guin
http://www.salon.com/2014/12/27/rebecca_solnit_the_age_of_capitalism_is_over_partner/ (http://www.salon.com/2014/12/27/rebecca_solnit_the_age_of_capitalism_is_over_partner/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 28, 2014, 01:59:28 AM
Rebecca Solnit: The Age of Capitalism is over
Rebecca Solnit assesses our poisonous fossil fuel dependency -- and why we're on the verge of a paradigm shift
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“We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings.”
- Ursula K. Le Guin
http://www.salon.com/2014/12/27/rebecca_solnit_the_age_of_capitalism_is_over_partner/ (http://www.salon.com/2014/12/27/rebecca_solnit_the_age_of_capitalism_is_over_partner/)

Most misleading title of 2014.

The article is about climate change and how we need to get off fossil fuels.

Fine, we understand.

But we won't quit using fossil fuels because someone will erect a guillotine at the Embarcadero, start whacking off the heads of oil and coal CEOs, then lead us into a new age in which people don't expect a return on investments.

We'll quit fossil fuels by continuing to do what we have now started - replacing coal and natural gas with renewable energy and replacing petroleum with electric transportation.  New corporations will grow large and old ones shrink and fade away.

(Now, dealing with our wealth inequality - that's a different issue we need to address.  The Russian/Chinese/Cuban experiment didn't give us the answer.)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Neven on December 28, 2014, 08:46:40 AM
(Now, dealing with our wealth inequality - that's a different issue we need to address.  The Russian/Chinese/Cuban experiment didn't give us the answer.)

Nope, it's the same issue. Both are symptoms of the same cause. The Russian/Chinese/Cuban experiment didn't give any answer because they also strived for limitless growth in a different way. Capitalism is much more successful at that. Maybe it can be tuned to respect limits, but I don't know if it would then still be capitalism.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 28, 2014, 09:50:55 AM
Exactly how are burning fossil fuel and capitalism "symptoms of the same cause"?

That mythical society in which each person is treated equally and no one makes any money from anything they own would still have burned coal and oil for energy until they learned that it was screwing them.

Or do you think there's some idealized society in which everyone is satisfied with one bowl, one spoon, one stool and no more?  And we would have all sat in the dark at night eating simple porridge for the better good?

I'm sorry.  I don't belong to the Very Wide Paintbrush Society. 
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Neven on December 28, 2014, 10:20:35 AM
Exactly how are burning fossil fuel and capitalism "symptoms of the same cause"?

Continued fossil fuel use and increasing wealth disparity are symptoms of the same cause, ie the complete domination and adherence to the neoclassical economic theory of endless growth. Capitalism is just the most efficient way to attain that. Communism tried the same, but wasn't efficient enough.

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That mythical society in which each person is treated equally and no one makes any money from anything they own would still have burned coal and oil for energy until they learned that it was screwing them.

Exactly.

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Or do you think there's some idealized society in which everyone is satisfied with one bowl, one spoon, one stool and no more?  And we would have all sat in the dark at night eating simple porridge for the better good?

No, I don't think that society is remotely possible, or something to be wished for. There has to be a difference, there has to be inequality, but there has to be a limit to how large this inequality can grow. There is no such limit in our current set-up.

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I'm sorry.  I don't belong to the Very Wide Paintbrush Society.

Yes, you do. We all do.  ;D
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 28, 2014, 06:46:59 PM
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Continued fossil fuel use and increasing wealth disparity are symptoms of the same cause

The places where fossil fuel use is continuing to grow are dominated by China and India.  Those are "catching up" countries.  The wealthier countries of Europe and the US are dropping their GHG emissions.

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There has to be a difference, there has to be inequality, but there has to be a limit to how large this inequality can grow. There is no such limit in our current set-up.

The really wealthy are the 0.1%.  They use more than the average amount of electricity and petroleum.  But there are not that many of them.  We are all responsible for global warming. 

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The International Energy Agency (IEA) [3] has estimated that worldwide lighting is responsible for emissions of approximately 1900 Mt CO2 per year, equivalent to 70% of the emissions from the world’s light passenger vehicles.

Eighty percent of these emissions from lighting are associated with electricity generation, but the IEA estimates that about 20% come from the 1% of global lighting that is produced by the direct combustion of paraffin and oil lamps used by the 1.6 billion people who have no access to electricity [3]. Hence, dramatically improved lighting system efficiency, together with electrification that replaces oil lamps with electric lamps, could make a big contribution to controlling global CO2 emissions. A large literature illustrates the cost-effectiveness of greenhouse gas mitigation through the use of energy efficient technologies such as improved lighting [4]–[13].

http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/sgradeck/DOCS/Transition%20to%20SSL.pdf (http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/sgradeck/DOCS/Transition%20to%20SSL.pdf)

Wealth distribution and greenhouse gas emission are separate issues.  Let's make an attempt to understand the actual causes and not muddle things up by trying to create grand causes.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 28, 2014, 09:27:49 PM
How about we break apart some of the major problems facing humans at the moment?

1. Climate change.
2. Overpopulation.
3. Unbalanced wealth distribution.
4. Political systems which do not serve all equally.

Those are the ones that come to mind at the moment.  They are somewhat interrelated but stand on their own as separate and addressable problems. 

The only one I can see solvable by solving another is climate change and overpopulation.  Were we to take humans down to a few million we could keep on burning coal and petroleum.  But there's no reasonable way to drop population that far fast enough to keep climate change from becoming extreme.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 29, 2014, 12:58:47 AM
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Continued fossil fuel use and increasing wealth disparity are symptoms of the same cause

Wealth distribution and greenhouse gas emission are separate issues.  Let's make an attempt to understand the actual causes and not muddle things up by trying to create grand causes.

If you really look at what it will take to reduce GHG emissions globally by 80% you will find that it cannot happen unless massive wealth redistribution is also included.  (as your reference to lighting distributions/emissions implicates).

It also won't happen without massive governmental interventions in the function of markets, even to the point of nationalization and control of key GHG emission sectors (and associated price controls) along with rationing (beyond even the implementation of a carbon tax-a form of market-based rationing).

It is this reality that became apparent in the mid 2000's in the U.S. which then immediately marshalled the forces of entrenched corporate oligarchic institutions (think tanks, industry trade groups, PR firms and the media) to attack the science of climate change, culminating in the university of east anglica climate change email hack and media blitz that effectively killed (intentionally!) the larger discussion around climate change. 

If you are ideologically opposed to wealth redistribution and heavily regulated industries/markets, you have an almost 100% likelihood to disbelieve the science of climate change.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 29, 2014, 01:53:57 AM
Exactly how are burning fossil fuel and capitalism "symptoms of the same cause"?

Continued fossil fuel use and increasing wealth disparity are symptoms of the same cause, ie the complete domination and adherence to the neoclassical economic theory of endless growth. Capitalism is just the most efficient way to attain that. Communism tried the same, but wasn't efficient enough.

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That mythical society in which each person is treated equally and no one makes any money from anything they own would still have burned coal and oil for energy until they learned that it was screwing them.

Exactly.
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I have to go with Neven on this one.  Fossil fuels (industrialization) made immense wealth possible, and with it, towering inequality.  Raising up the poor by distributing solar lights has facilitated better education for children and enabled women to be come independent by starting their own small businesses.  Cleaner cook stoves improved the health of multiple generations of family members who spend much time at home.

Empowering women not only builds equality, but supports population control (when women can choose when/if to have children), and sustains personal wealth and health.  Healthy adults who know they will have an income in old age do not need to have many children to assure some survive to adulthood to take care of them.

So, non-capitalistic equality -- as in, for example, a guaranteed income for all citizens -- would improve population control, increase the market for clean energy over cheap carbon-intensive fuel, and thus provide climate action.  I forget which Scandinavian country, and which U.S. advisor, has talked seriously about providing every citizen with a guaranteed monthly income, but the idea is not as unheard-of as you might think.

And valuing everyone equally means no more dumping waste in the poor's back yard just because you can, or fracking anywhere you want because your company can buy off anyone you need to.  If it hurts one community, it hurts all.  Everyone would rise up against it and demand clean energy and clean industry.  Unlike capitalism....
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 29, 2014, 02:02:03 AM
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If you really look at what it will take to reduce GHG emissions globally by 80% you will find that it cannot happen unless massive wealth redistribution is also included.

I simply don't accept that claim.

The people who are now contributing CO2 and soot can replace their kero lanterns with solar lanterns/micro-solar for less than they now spend on kero.

The people who now use grid power can have their power supplied by renewables rather than fossil fuels and pay nothing more for electricity.  In fact, they will likely save money because they will have lower health costs.

We can all drive EVs and ride electric powered public transportation.

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It also won't happen without massive governmental interventions in the function of markets, even to the point of nationalization and control of key GHG emission sectors (and associated price controls) along with rationing (beyond even the implementation of a carbon tax-a form of market-based rationing).

I don't buy that claim.  We are right now seeing renewable energy pricing dropping below the cost of new fossil fuel generation.  As coal plants wear out the market will pick the least expensive replacement.

Efficiency is happening simply because efficiency saves money and increases profits.

Whether the market will operate fast enough to avoid extreme climate change is a separate issue.

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It is this reality that became apparent in the mid 2000's in the U.S. ....

Yes, a few years back the fossil fuel industry realized that their future was endangered by emerging renewable energy and they mounted a strong defense of their profits.

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If you are ideologically opposed to wealth redistribution and heavily regulated industries/markets, you have an almost 100% likelihood to disbelieve the science of climate change.

You could be heavily invested in renewable energy and be opposed wealth redistribution.  Lots of people are greedy.

I would suggest that there are many wealthy people who understand climate change ("believe") but still fight to maintain their profits from dirty energy.  Just because one understands that their behavior harms others does not mean that they automatically change their behavior.

Lots of people are greedy.

 
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 29, 2014, 03:50:06 AM
Bob,

You are right, we don't need market controls and nationalization of GHG emitting sources.  we can let the free market drive all transitions to a carbon free economy.  In fact, we already know that at current projections, solar and wind will likely generation almost 1/2 of all U.S. energy by 2040.

Electric vehicles are becoming more cost effective, the prices are going down radically.  It is likely that by 2020 there will be between 350,000 and 500,000 plug-in electric vehicles in California alone.  (there are 13.2 million cars in the state right now)  California is an early adopter state. 

I guess then that, in the United States alone, we could move to an effective transition of total GHG reductions within the next 50 or so years. Probably reducing our total footprint of GHGs by almost 50% by 2070.

Under this scenario we will also achieve total societal collapse sometime around then as well due to massive heat waves, sea level rise, floods, droughts and catastrophic storms, the collapse of agriculture and wars cause by regional destabilization all over the globe.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 29, 2014, 04:32:33 AM
Bob,

You are right, we don't need market controls and nationalization of GHG emitting sources.  we can let the free market drive all transitions to a carbon free economy.  In fact, we already know that at current projections, solar and wind will likely generation almost 1/2 of all U.S. energy by 2040.

Electric vehicles are becoming more cost effective, the prices are going down radically.  It is likely that by 2020 there will be between 350,000 and 500,000 plug-in electric vehicles in California alone.  (there are 13.2 million cars in the state right now)  California is an early adopter state. 

I guess then that, in the United States alone, we could move to an effective transition of total GHG reductions within the next 50 or so years. Probably reducing our total footprint of GHGs by almost 50% by 2070.

Under this scenario we will also achieve total societal collapse sometime around then as well due to massive heat waves, sea level rise, floods, droughts and catastrophic storms, the collapse of agriculture and wars cause by regional destabilization all over the globe.

You may or may not be right.  There's this opinion...

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“A leaked draft of the (IPCC) report sent to governments in December suggests that in order to keep global temperature increases below 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 F) by the end of the century — the stated goal of international climate talks — emissions need to fall by 40-70 percent by 2050.”

http://www.evwind.es/2014/04/05/what-is-the-future-of-fossil-fuel/44609 (http://www.evwind.es/2014/04/05/what-is-the-future-of-fossil-fuel/44609)

The IPCC seems to not agree with you that hitting a 50% reduction by 2070 would the end of the world as we know it.  It would put us at greater risk but the probability is something less than 1.00.

It would be, IMHO, foolish to aim at only a 40% reduction by 2050.  Never aim low when in danger.

Perhaps you noticed what I wrote...

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Whether the market will operate fast enough to avoid extreme climate change is a separate issue.

I can't tell you whether we would hit 40% by 2050 with market forces alone.  I suspect we would.  That would be 35 years of replacing worn out coal plants with renewables and 35 years of wind and solar taking market share away from more expensive natural gas.  It's also fairly likely that ICEVs will be a niche market 35 years from now.

To be safe we probably will need more than market forces alone.

Where I find myself in high disagreement with you is in your "statements of fact".

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If you really look at what it will take to reduce GHG emissions globally by 80% you will find that it cannot happen unless massive wealth redistribution is also included.


It also won't happen without massive governmental interventions in the function of markets, even to the point of nationalization and control of key GHG emission sectors (and associated price controls) along with rationing (beyond even the implementation of a carbon tax-a form of market-based rationing).

Under this scenario we will also achieve total societal collapse sometime around then as well due to massive heat waves, sea level rise, floods, droughts and catastrophic storms, the collapse of agriculture and wars cause by regional destabilization all over the globe.


What is it likely to take is continued improvements in renewable energy which will lead to further cost reductions and faster uptake.  It may also take a modest governmental thumb on the scale in the form of a price on carbon or cap and trade system to accelerate the changeover.

We have a task ahead of ourselves.  We aren't well served by over-claims and hyperbole.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 29, 2014, 05:40:58 AM
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We have a task ahead of ourselves.  We aren't well served by over-claims and hyperbole.

The "conservative scientist" and the "IPCC as Suicide Pact" threads contain significant information that shows the IPCC claims are severely understated.

for instance, the IPCC does not include carbon cycle feedbacks, expect a summer sea ice loss to not occur this century, instead of 2035 which is likely (leading to a radiative forcing equal to a doubling of CO2) and it doesn't include carbon produced by decomposing permafrost.  If you include these and other factors (acidification of oceans reducing aerosols, loss of boreal and amazon forests. . .etc) you will find that AT CURRENT LEVELS we have locked in over 2.3C of warming by 2100.

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As I said, you have obviously not given this too much thought.  please describe to me the out of pocket costs necessary to produce the 80% emissions reductions by 2040 that must be performed while also accommodating mass migrations, total reformation of food production and distribution infrastructure as well as a 25% increase in water capture and distribution capacity AND a wholescale residential housing stock building envelope refurbishment program to compensate for heatwaves in much of the U.S.

Also include infrastructure developments to adapt to rising sea levels and the costs associated with dealing with regional climate driven destabilization/conflicts throughout the globe

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 29, 2014, 05:51:21 AM
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please describe to me the out of pocket costs necessary to produce the 80% emissions reductions by 2040 that must be performed while also accommodating mass migrations, total reformation of food production and distribution infrastructure as well as a 25% increase in water capture and distribution capacity AND a wholescale residential housing stock building envelope refurbishment program to compensate for heatwaves in much of the U.S.

Also include infrastructure developments to adapt to rising sea levels and the costs associated with dealing with regional climate driven destabilization/conflicts throughout the globe

No, because that would mean buying into your doomer bullshit.

The movement to renewable energy will pay for itself via 1) necessary replacement of thermal plants reaching the end of their lifespan, 2) decreased electricity costs, 3) decreased pollution-related health costs, and 3) decreased vehicle operating costs.

That's all I'm dealing with.  I'm not interested in hair-on-fire discussions.

We will have some costs associated with the climate change we have already put in place.  Those will serve as motivators for increased transitions off fossil fuels.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 29, 2014, 06:17:39 AM
You don't seem to understand the current makeup of CO2 emissions by source.  If we continue with current emissions due to land-use and meat production alone we will exceed the CO2 emissions targets defined by the underestimated IPCC projections by 2065 (to keep temperatures below 2C)

to have any reasonable hope of preventing the catastrophic heat waves and other effects that I spoke of earlier we will have to do a whole hell of a lot more than sit back and pray for the "invisible hand" of market transformation to meet our mitigation and adaptation needs.

but ok if you want to limit the discussion to your comfort zone, explain to me then the projected decreases in emissions that your three points will produce: 

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The movement to renewable energy will pay for itself via 1) necessary replacement of thermal plants reaching the end of their lifespan, 2) decreased electricity costs, 3) decreased pollution-related health costs, and 3) decreased vehicle operating costs.

by the way, your "40-70%" quote is off by a wide margin.

This is regarding a bill mckibben article from 2012 (2 years ago)

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The second scary number is 565 gigatons—or 565 thousand million tons. That’s humanity’s carbon “budget”—how much carbon dioxide we can pour into the atmosphere with a reasonable chance of keeping global temperatures to a 2 degrees Celsius increase. That 565 gigatons sounds like a lot until we hear that global carbon dioxide emissions rose by 31.6 gigatons in 2011, and that projections call for humanity to blast through our 565-gigaton quota in less than 16 years.

Read more: http://www.utne.com/environment/scary-numbers-global-warming-zm0z14jfzros.aspx#ixzz3NGO3w4d1 (http://www.utne.com/environment/scary-numbers-global-warming-zm0z14jfzros.aspx#ixzz3NGO3w4d1)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on December 29, 2014, 06:38:59 AM
No, because that would mean buying into your doomer bullshit.

Bob, I agree with you and don't think anyone should be forced to buy into anyone's doomer bullshit (or, for that matter, watch doomer porn).

The key question is rather where you will draw the line. If one assumes that every different view or every summary, analysis or piece of news that does not fall in the Yes, We Can! basket belongs in the Doomer Bullshit (or Doomer Porn) bin, then there is at least a teeny–weeny possibility that important perspective is being unfairly dismissed.

In fact, I think you could say that in such a case, missed perspective is almost certain.

The IPCC has, after all, for twenty–six years failed to include the 2nd biggest GHG in its estimates in any meaningful way, meaning the very way that needs to be considered because of the role that GHG has played several times before in the geological record, a role that put an extra contribution to the planet's biggest extinction events of all time.

On the other hand, I can see the argument that since IPCC didn't choose to include these worries, or to include the potential of just this 2nd biggest (currently) GHG, then the same IPCC had very good reasons for not including them, thus making everyone else on the planet even chatting about these worries, some sort of bat–sh@t crazy doomer porn addicted apocalyptic moron–alarmists.

I believe, however, that upon closer scrutiny, you will find many of the points of criticism of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are well founded, and that for a number of mundane and perfectly understandable human–nature reasons, the Panel has failed us.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 29, 2014, 07:55:53 AM
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The IPCC has, after all, for twenty–six years failed to include the 2nd biggest GHG in its estimates in any meaningful way, meaning the very way that needs to be considered because of the role that GHG has played several times before in the geological record, a role that put an extra contribution to the planet's biggest extinction events of all time.

What makes you think the IPCC ignored methane?

From the 2007 report...

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch7s7-4-1.html (http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch7s7-4-1.html)

From 2013...

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/10/02/2708911/fracking-ipcc-methane/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/10/02/2708911/fracking-ipcc-methane/)

You can download the entire report here -

http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5_WGI-12Doc2b_FinalDraft_All.pdf (http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5_WGI-12Doc2b_FinalDraft_All.pdf)

Or you can read a summary here -

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Summary:  Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas, and a favorite hobbyhorse of alarmists. It’s also an example of how they’ve abandoned the IPCC — the “gold standard” of climate science consensus. The IPCC’s most recent report, AR5’s Working Group I, is quite clear that methane levels in the atmosphere have grown more slowly than projected by their models — and that the risk posed by methane is real but not yet extreme. This is a follow-up to Some good news about our changing climate. Enjoy it, for it might not last long.

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The report of Working Group I of the IPCC’s AR5 is quite explicit about the risk of methane emissions.

Models’ projections of the growth in methane levels range from small to large.
These projections have come down in each IPCC report.
Methane levels have increased more slowly than in any of their projections.
You can read a hundred alarmist articles about methane and global warming — and never see this information from the IPCC.

http://fabiusmaximus.com/2014/09/14/climate-change-ipcc-methane-71848/ (http://fabiusmaximus.com/2014/09/14/climate-change-ipcc-methane-71848/)

Do you not consider what the IPCC has said about methane "meaningful" because it doesn't fit with your OMG The Sky Is Falling!!! version?

Are you sure you aren't seeking out outlier opinions because they feed your fantasy?

 
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 29, 2014, 08:19:19 AM
This is the takeaway one sentence summary from the mitigation section of the 2014 IPCC report on climate change.

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To achieve climate protection, fossil power generation without CCS has to be phased out almost entirely by the end of the century.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2014/04/mitigation-of-climate-change-part-3-of-the-new-ipcc-report/?wpmp_tp=1#sthash.bcFhlKf9.dpuf (http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2014/04/mitigation-of-climate-change-part-3-of-the-new-ipcc-report/?wpmp_tp=1#sthash.bcFhlKf9.dpuf)

If you will recall Jacobson and Delucchi calculated that we could do that in on 20 years - with major effort.  Hard to do, but doable.  What we're talking about is stretching that effort over 85 years.

Now, if we're smart, we'll aim at getting close to zero fossil fuel use much sooner.  IMHO.

Doing so will give us a wider safety margin as well as save us money on energy costs, damage recovery, and health costs.  It would also mean significant quality of life improvements for hundreds of millions of people.

Here's what I think is going to happen...

Over the next five years (2015 - 2020) we are going  to further decrease the cost of wind, solar, and storage (grid and EV).  We are going to firm up installation infrastructure in most countries.  (Some countries don't need it and a few will be knuckleheads.)  We'll also cut our coal use significantly as Europe, the US and China are currently working on that problem.

The next ten years will see an amazing growth in renewable installations.  I expect we'll convert at least 2% of our energy from fossil fuels to renewables and at the same time lower the amount of energy used in high use countries via efficiency.

And for the following 20 years we'll average 3% a year movement off fossil fuels. 

By 2050 we will have reduced fossil fuel use by more than 80%.  We will be able to coast into 2100. 



Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on December 29, 2014, 10:40:27 AM
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The IPCC has, after all, for twenty–six years failed to include the 2nd biggest GHG in its estimates in any meaningful way, meaning the very way that needs to be considered because of the role that GHG has played several times before in the geological record, a role that put an extra contribution to the planet's biggest extinction events of all time.

What makes you think the IPCC ignored methane?

I said in any meaningful way, and you left out in any meaningful way. Here's Dr Wadhams on the IPCC reports:

Quote from: Wadhams
It is amazing, for instance, that there is no mention at all of Arctic offshore methane emission as a climatic threat, and very little mention of methane emission from tundra. The really serious things are left out or played down, including rapid retreat of sea ice.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 29, 2014, 01:28:24 PM
This is the takeaway one sentence summary from the mitigation section of the 2014 IPCC report on climate change.

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To achieve climate protection, fossil power generation without CCS has to be phased out almost entirely by the end of the century.

By 2050 we will have reduced fossil fuel use by more than 80%.  We will be able to coast into 2100.


How do you reconcile the innocuous term "climate protection" with the stark warning by Bill Mckibben, written in 2012 that at present emission rates we will surpass the 565 gigatonnes of CO2 emissions necessary to allow us a 50% chance to stay below 2 degrees C of warming under the pathetically underestimated IPCC median projections, within the next 16 years (14 years from today)?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 29, 2014, 01:33:54 PM
how does your assertions compare with this graphic representation of the current risks associated with BAU provided by Michael Mann in Scientific American?

It seems clear that you are either pretending that things are going to be a lot easier than they are because you WANT to believe that they will be or that you are simply grasping onto the little bits that give you hope (that we can accomplish climate change mitigation reforms under relatively free market scenarios)

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/may/21/economists-climate-change-market-failure (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/may/21/economists-climate-change-market-failure)

Why do economists describe climate change as a 'market failure'?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 29, 2014, 09:34:32 PM
jai - when I see a large - significant group of climate scientists warning that the IPCC report may be badly flawed then I'll get concerned.

In the meantime I'm not going to be alarmed by someone outside the field taking one paper out of context and trying to tell an story that I'm not hearing from the experts.

As for your economics question -

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In the case of innovation, markets currently fail to offer sufficient incentives for the development of low-carbon technologies.

Don't you realize that is entirely incorrect?  Wind is now our cheapest way to bring new capacity on line.  Solar is very close to being the second cheapest and likely on track to becoming the cheapest.  The market is pouring billions into lower the cost of renewable energy, storage and EVs.

I'm am not pretending anything.  I'm looking at what is happening and reporting those facts.  I'm looking at current prices, price curves, and likely changes over the short term.  The paper you linked clearly did not look at what was happening as they wrote.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Lennart van der Linde on December 29, 2014, 10:08:57 PM
Bob,
There are plenty of scientists arguing IPCC is probably underestimating things. Have a look in the folder on conservative scientists:
http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1053.0.html (http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1053.0.html)

For sea level rise this expert survey among 90 of the most publishing experts shows that as a group they think IPCC is substantially underestimating the risks of SLR:
https://marine.rutgers.edu/pubs/private/HortonQSR_2013.pdf (https://marine.rutgers.edu/pubs/private/HortonQSR_2013.pdf)

It seems unwise to quickly dismiss such indications.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 29, 2014, 10:50:13 PM
Lennart - I read your link down to this point -

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Unfortunately, it seems most mainstream Scientists are beholden to the bourgeois upper-class academic environment. They often open their mouth to show their loyalty to the current conservative corporate culture, and then arrogantly proclaim that this conservatism is inherent to Science.

When I encounter claptrap like that I walk, no, run away. 

I spent enough years as a research scientist to recognize that as winger political foolishness.

I'd suggest you give up your apparent search for an outlier who supports your beliefs and spend time on a site such as Real Climate where active climate scientists discuss their field.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 29, 2014, 11:02:35 PM
Bob,

so, from your link you suggest (actually the summary for policymakers) here:  http://report.mitigation2014.org/spm/ipcc_wg3_ar5_summary-for-policymakers_approved.pdf  (http://report.mitigation2014.org/spm/ipcc_wg3_ar5_summary-for-policymakers_approved.pdf) that, on a global scale, and in the developing world, in the face of massive increases in the consumption of coal, that we will be able to use free-market forces to achieve a 50% increase in global share of CO2 emission reductions in the power sector by 2050.

while at the same time, again, by 2050 (see figure SPM.8 )


and this on a global scale?

--please also note that this scenario allows for a high-end stabilization level of 530 ppmv, which under any reasonable analysis of todays climate effects (currently operating at 300 ppmv equalization levels if Aerosol and Cloud effects are taken into account) would be catastrophic at best.

Again, I suggest that you really haven't thought this one through.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 29, 2014, 11:08:29 PM
Lennart - I read your link down to this point -

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Unfortunately, it seems most mainstream Scientists are beholden to the bourgeois upper-class academic environment. They often open their mouth to show their loyalty to the current conservative corporate culture, and then arrogantly proclaim that this conservatism is inherent to Science.

When I encounter claptrap like that I walk, no, run away. 

I spent enough years as a research scientist to recognize that as winger political foolishness.


--have you considered the possibility that you might be the one who, in fact, is heavily indoctrinated into a captured system of beliefs that cowtows to the status-quo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vv1z25c2p8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vv1z25c2p8)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Lennart van der Linde on December 29, 2014, 11:53:28 PM
Lennart - I read your link down to this point -

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Unfortunately, it seems most mainstream Scientists are beholden to the bourgeois upper-class academic environment. They often open their mouth to show their loyalty to the current conservative corporate culture, and then arrogantly proclaim that this conservatism is inherent to Science.

When I encounter claptrap like that I walk, no, run away. 

I spent enough years as a research scientist to recognize that as winger political foolishness.

I'd suggest you give up your apparent search for an outlier who supports your beliefs and spend time on a site such as Real Climate where active climate scientists discuss their field.

You can run, of course, if you want. But you didn't comment on Horton, Rahmstorf et al 2014 on SLR being underestimated by the IPCC according to their survey among 90 of the most publishing experts.

How's that an outlier? Rahmstorf is very active on RealClimate, but maybe he's an outlier too?

Chomsky too is an outlier, 'arguably being the most important intellectual alive', according to the NYT and others. We can learn a lot from him, about 'brainwashing under freedom', for example.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 12:04:41 AM
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, in the face of massive increases in the consumption of coal, that we will be able to use free-market forces to achieve a 50% increase in global share of CO2 emission reductions in the power sector by 2050.

No.  I said that is is possible.  You read in a probability statement.
 
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 12:05:55 AM
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--have you considered the possibility that you might be the one who, in fact, is heavily indoctrinated into a captured system of beliefs that cowtows to the status-quo?

Yes.  That is why I take time to fact-check myself from time to time and attempt to stay away from outlier positions.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 30, 2014, 12:09:43 AM
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--have you considered the possibility that you might be the one who, in fact, is heavily indoctrinated into a captured system of beliefs that cowtows to the status-quo?

Yes.  That is why I take time to fact-check myself from time to time and attempt to stay away from outlier positions.

how do you determine what positions are "outliers"?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Lennart van der Linde on December 30, 2014, 12:18:02 AM
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--have you considered the possibility that you might be the one who, in fact, is heavily indoctrinated into a captured system of beliefs that cowtows to the status-quo?

Yes.  That is why I take time to fact-check myself from time to time and attempt to stay away from outlier positions.

And why shouldn't we take outlier positions as seriously as mainstream positions? They may be the mainstream position of tomorrow. It's about risks, not certainty.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 12:19:22 AM
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But you didn't comment on Horton, Rahmstorf et al 2014 on SLR being underestimated by the IPCC according to their survey among 90 of the most publishing experts.

I hesitate to comment on individual papers as climate science is not my field.  There are many papers in all fields that can be badly misread if one does not know the context, the authors and the journal.

But, just to satisfy you I took a look.  Here's what I found.


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. Most experts estimate a larger sea-level rise by AD 2100 than the IPCC AR5 projects. The body of expert opinion is more in line with the recent
NOAA sea-level scenarios. We expect on average about 0.5 m of sea level
rise for the low and 1.0 m for the upper temperature scenario.

Thirteen experts estimated a 17% probability of exceeding 2.0 m of
sea-level rise by AD 2100 under the upper temperature scenario.


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The IPCC AR5 model spread for the high emission scenario (includes
RCP 8.5) is 0.92 me3.59 m by AD 2300

The IPCC projects between 0.92 and 3.49 meters by 2300.

The authors found that " The body of expert opinion" calls for between 0.5 and 1.0 meter by 2100.

I'm not seeing "impending doom" or "scientific malfeasance" on the part of the IPCC in a set of predictions that highly overlap.

13 out of 90, 14%, predict something higher.  But they apparently haven't convinced their peers.  86% of their peers disagree.

Do you know what "outlier" means?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Lennart van der Linde on December 30, 2014, 12:22:15 AM
BTW, Michael Mann was very active on RealClimate as well, until shortly. Why do you call him an outlier?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 12:28:17 AM
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--have you considered the possibility that you might be the one who, in fact, is heavily indoctrinated into a captured system of beliefs that cowtows to the status-quo?

Yes.  That is why I take time to fact-check myself from time to time and attempt to stay away from outlier positions.

And why shouldn't we take outlier positions as seriously as mainstream positions? They may be the mainstream position of tomorrow. It's about risks, not certainty.

Why?  Because sometimes outliers are batshit crazy.

The cost of an extreme climate change would be extremely high.  That is not in question.  If we don't do something about our GHG emissions we will cause ourselves a world of hurt.  That is not disputed among climate scientists.

What is argued is how fast we need to quit the use of fossil fuels.  Since the cost of failure is so extreme it would be exceptionally wise to take a conservative approach and quit fossil fuels as quickly as we reasonably can.  It takes only common sense to realize that.

But we should be careful about those who go far over the line of reasonable thought.  Let's let the people who spend their lives studying climate change sort through all the facts and give us a knowledgeable summary.  Let's not let some isolated economist, biologist, physicist who worked for the tobacco  industry, airplane engineer, creationist, or any other individual send us screaming for the exit.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 12:30:10 AM
BTW, Michael Mann was very active on RealClimate as well, until shortly. Why do you call him an outlier?

I'd have to spend time looking into what he's said and what his peers have said about his position. 
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Lennart van der Linde on December 30, 2014, 12:38:39 AM
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But you didn't comment on Horton, Rahmstorf et al 2014 on SLR being underestimated by the IPCC according to their survey among 90 of the most publishing experts.

The IPCC projects between 0.92 and 3.49 meters by 2300.

The authors found that " The body of expert opinion" calls for between 0.5 and 1.0 meter by 2100.

I'm not seeing "impending doom" or "scientific malfeasance" on the part of the IPCC in a set of predictions that highly overlap.

13 out of 90, 14%, predict something higher.  But they apparently haven't convinced their peers.  86% of their peers disagree.

Do you know what "outlier" means?

Take a look at their table 1:
https://marine.rutgers.edu/pubs/private/HortonQSR_2013.pdf

They find a 17% chance of 1.2m or more by 2100, where IPCC finds a chance of 17% of 1m. So it seems IPCC underestimates substantially according to these 90 most publishing experts.

For 2300 IPCC finds 3.59m as an upper limit, but it also says this is probably an under-estimate. Horton et al find a 5% chance of 4m or more. Kopp et al 2014 even find a 5% chance of 3.7m or more by 2200, not 2300. Jevrejeva et al 2014 find a 5% chance of 1.8m by 2100, even more than the 5% chance of 1.5m by 2100 that Horton et al find.

These don't seem isolated outliers anymore. We better pay attention.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 30, 2014, 12:52:22 AM
I think, in review that it is clear that you not only haven't looked at the total cost associated with societal transformation needed to implement the shifts in industrial, building, transportation AND electrical power generation.  Instead you ONLY look at renewable energy, and then retreat to a "party-line" of "the free market will provide" without understanding that energy production in the world doesn't even operate under a free market, anywhere.

When I bring up the total costs you say, renewable energy and efficiencies pay for themselves

-which implies some kind of cost recovery mechanism, one that can only be provided under regulatory policy - which is predominately run by the utility sector, don't believe me?  what happened to the renewable energy portfolios of the states of Ohio, Indiana and Florida?

in summary, EVEN if we use your "outlier" exclusion criteria and only adhere to the IPCC report statistics which rely on published information that is, on average 4-7 years old, the low-emission target of 530 PPMV transformation would require changes that in your estimation go from

"will happen" to "possible".

And I can tell you, with no uncertainty that the collapse of the arctic in the next decade (or two) coupled with extreme weather and heatwave/precipitation events will drive global destabilization to such a degree that, even if it were "possible" under a free market scenario

the additional systemic requirements of adaptation and disaster mitigation/recovery makes your "possible" untenable.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: wili on December 30, 2014, 12:53:48 AM
"we should be careful about those who go far over the line of reasonable thought"

LOL.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 01:11:06 AM
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But you didn't comment on Horton, Rahmstorf et al 2014 on SLR being underestimated by the IPCC according to their survey among 90 of the most publishing experts.

The IPCC projects between 0.92 and 3.49 meters by 2300.

The authors found that " The body of expert opinion" calls for between 0.5 and 1.0 meter by 2100.

I'm not seeing "impending doom" or "scientific malfeasance" on the part of the IPCC in a set of predictions that highly overlap.

13 out of 90, 14%, predict something higher.  But they apparently haven't convinced their peers.  86% of their peers disagree.

Do you know what "outlier" means?

Take a look at their table 1:
https://marine.rutgers.edu/pubs/private/HortonQSR_2013.pdf

They find a 17% chance of 1.2m or more by 2100, where IPCC finds a chance of 17% of 1m. So it seems IPCC underestimates substantially according to these 90 most publishing experts.

For 2300 IPCC finds 3.59m as an upper limit, but it also says this is probably an under-estimate. Horton et al find a 5% chance of 4m or more. Kopp et al 2014 even find a 5% chance of 3.7m or more by 2200, not 2300. Jevrejeva et al 2014 find a 5% chance of 1.8m by 2100, even more than the 5% chance of 1.5m by 2100 that Horton et al find.

These don't seem isolated outliers anymore. We better pay attention.

IMO you are trying to make up a problem where one does not exist.  There's really not that much difference between a 1.0 and 1.2 meter estimate.  Both are significant and we need to do what we can to minimize them.

Then you go on to list the outliers....
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 01:12:51 AM
"we should be careful about those who go far over the line of reasonable thought"

LOL.

That's right, Wili.  Be careful to keep your thoughts reasonable.  Don't allow yourself to be mislead by either the alarmists or deniers. 
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Csnavywx on December 30, 2014, 01:14:31 AM
The thing is, if you actually read the report and in particular, RCP 2.6, you get a real sense of what it will now take to stay below 2C. I think I've brought this up in the past, but it requires CO2 emissions to go net negative by ~2055 and stay there for a long period of time. It also assumes a sharp decline in emissions in the near term. This optimistic scenario does not include PCF or a myriad of other lesser feedback processes (the largest of which tend to be carbon cycle feedbacks via sink degradation). The IPCC does not include them primarily because of difficulties in quantification and uncertainty, but based on the research I've seen on the PCF in particular, it might finally make it into the next report.

Keep in mind, all of 2.6's implicit (and downright heroic) effort is just for a reasonable chance of staying below 2C. If ECS is even slightly higher, the chances decrease quite fast. We need to be good and lucky at this point. The longer we wait, the luckier we need to be on the ECS front.

Any overshoot and stabilization scenario implies that no non-linear responses will get triggered and significantly undermine our efforts to bring down CO2 concentrations. There's some science behind the 2C target, because beyond that marker, the risks increase quite quickly.

A great little article that expresses this statistically:

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/risk/ (http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/risk/)

The bottom line: Risk of extreme events increases exponentially with temperature. We can't afford whatever lies on the other side of the 2C curve. We already see what +3-4SD anomalies can do (a lot), we can't afford +5, +6, +7SD events. It will be a couple orders of magnitude worse in terms of damage and suffering.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Csnavywx on December 30, 2014, 01:26:43 AM
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But you didn't comment on Horton, Rahmstorf et al 2014 on SLR being underestimated by the IPCC according to their survey among 90 of the most publishing experts.

The IPCC projects between 0.92 and 3.49 meters by 2300.

The authors found that " The body of expert opinion" calls for between 0.5 and 1.0 meter by 2100.

I'm not seeing "impending doom" or "scientific malfeasance" on the part of the IPCC in a set of predictions that highly overlap.

13 out of 90, 14%, predict something higher.  But they apparently haven't convinced their peers.  86% of their peers disagree.

Do you know what "outlier" means?

Take a look at their table 1:
https://marine.rutgers.edu/pubs/private/HortonQSR_2013.pdf

They find a 17% chance of 1.2m or more by 2100, where IPCC finds a chance of 17% of 1m. So it seems IPCC underestimates substantially according to these 90 most publishing experts.

For 2300 IPCC finds 3.59m as an upper limit, but it also says this is probably an under-estimate. Horton et al find a 5% chance of 4m or more. Kopp et al 2014 even find a 5% chance of 3.7m or more by 2200, not 2300. Jevrejeva et al 2014 find a 5% chance of 1.8m by 2100, even more than the 5% chance of 1.5m by 2100 that Horton et al find.

These don't seem isolated outliers anymore. We better pay attention.

IMO you are trying to make up a problem where one does not exist.  There's really not that much difference between a 1.0 and 1.2 meter estimate.  Both are significant and we need to do what we can to minimize them.

Then you go on to list the outliers....

West Antarctica is really the lynchpin here. There's some uncertainty with Greenland too, but not to the same magnitude. There's a LOT of uncertainty with the WAIS, which translates into a LOT of uncertainty in SLR estimates, hence the huge spread. As I mentioned in the last post, if there's quantification or significant uncertainty issues, the IPCC will not include it in their official estimates. Rapid changes in forecasts do not lend credibility to their forecasts, so from their standpoint, I understand (and empathize, since I'm a meteorologist myself) with their decision making process.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 30, 2014, 01:38:18 AM
speaking of uncertainty,

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 02:55:16 AM
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The thing is, if you actually read the report and in particular, RCP 2.6, you get a real sense of what it will now take to stay below 2C.

This?

(https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi619.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt275%2FBob_Wall%2FIPCC.png&hash=afc323149806e9415753ca16c79d34d6) (http://s619.photobucket.com/user/Bob_Wall/media/IPCC.png.html)

I see a need to stop the increase in CO2 emissions by sometime after 2050 and then a gradual decrease.

I do not see anything that sounds like -

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I guess then that, in the United States alone, we could move to an effective transition of total GHG reductions within the next 50 or so years. Probably reducing our total footprint of GHGs by almost 50% by 2070.

Under this scenario we will also achieve total societal collapse sometime around then as well due to massive heat waves, sea level rise, floods, droughts and catastrophic storms, the collapse of agriculture and wars cause by regional destabilization all over the globe.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 30, 2014, 03:24:22 AM
um no,

actually what you are seeing is a graph of CUMULATIVE emissions.  This means that, for the RCP 4.5 scenario there is a reduction in emissions but after 2080 or so, CO2 is being actively removed from the atmosphere to keep CO2 levels from going over 540 or so.

however, no I was actually talking about the reality of the goals you described before from the IPCC.

1.  all of the reductions in emissions from buildings, transportation, industry AND energy on a global scale with the scope of reductions described here:


(see figure SPM.8 )

  • achieve a 30% reduction in transportation energy consumption, while increasing the share of low-carbon energy share by 35%
  • achieve a 23% reduction in global building energy consumption, while increasing the share of low-carbon energy share by 55% 
  • achieve a 30% reduction in global industry energy consumption, while increasing the share of low-carbon energy share by 50% 
concurrent with an increase in co2-free emission from 30% to 80% by 2050 in the electric power sector.
.

2.  The implementations above have to happen as the effects of climate change on our environment continue to grow in scale and costs

and

3.  Without regard to the carbon cycle, arctic and methane releases from permafrost which are discussed in the IPCC report but not included.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on December 30, 2014, 03:27:45 AM
Thanks to ExxonMobil's little fax memo (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2002/04/did_exxon_mobil_get_bush_to_oust_the_global_warming_chief.html) to Dubya, "urgent action" has now become something like

... a need to stop the increase in CO2 emissions by sometime after 2050 and then a gradual decrease.
Oh, the magic world of Money & Politics!  ;D
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 30, 2014, 03:48:26 AM
the graphic you are looking for is this one.

please note the emissions (light blue) and how they compare with the other graphic above that shows carbon cycle feedbacks.  The lower level indicates that by 2070 the equivalent emissions to a real world scenario (with feedbacks) is possibly 33% less than the ones shown below.  Please note that they only show 1 sigma of standard deviation in the graphic above.

Well, I got some bad news for you sunshine.  It is called arctic amplification and the disassociation of permafrost is going to be much worse than even this pale comparison shows.

We truly need to work on the issue of the times, not "if we can" but "if we can - in time".
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 04:22:45 AM
the graphic you are looking for is this one.


OK, check me out here.  What I'm seeing in the case of the RCP2.6 is that we need to peak CO2 per year by about 2025 and drop it to about 0 by 2100.

That right?

If so, then RCP4.5 says peak about 2050 and get back to ~1975 levels by 2100.

Here's a table that tells us what those numbers mean, prediction-wise...

(https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi619.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt275%2FBob_Wall%2FIPCCMitigation.png&hash=bcfdf190a390f0b8b11d2c4d1377cb06) (http://s619.photobucket.com/user/Bob_Wall/media/IPCCMitigation.png.html)

Now, I'd suggest we don't take 4.5 route but take the safer 2.6 route.  Get our CO2 emissions all peaked out by 2025 (hopefully sooner) and get rid of fossil fuels by 2100 (hopefully sooner).

This is what I've been saying that we probably need to do from the get-go.  Get our CO2 emissions down 40% to 70% from 2005 levels by 2050.  And then take our fossil fuel use to very close to zero by 2100.

BTW, I see nothing at all in the report that we're going to die by 2050.

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Well, I got some bad news for you sunshine.  It is called arctic amplification and the disassociation of permafrost is going to be much worse than even this pale comparison shows.

My goodness!  How did thousands of climate scientists miss that while the latest ICPP report was being put together? 

Perhaps you should bring it to their attention. 

Or perhaps you should read some climate science first.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/01/much-ado-about-methane/ (http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/01/much-ado-about-methane/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on December 30, 2014, 04:34:51 AM
the graphic you are looking for is this one.


OK, check me out here.  What I'm seeing in the case of the RCP2.6 is that we need to peak CO2 per year by about 2025 and drop it to about 0 by 2100.

That right?


Per Fuss et al (2014) for RCP2.6 the net emissions need to go negative by 2070 (see attached image), which confirms jai's image.

Sabine Fuss, Josep G. Canadell, Glen P. Peters, Massimo Tavoni, Robbie M. Andrew, Philippe Ciais, Robert B. Jackson, Chris D. Jones, Florian Kraxner, Nebosja Nakicenovic, Corinne Le Quéré, Michael R. Raupach, Ayyoob Sharifi, Pete Smith & Yoshiki Yamagata, (2014), "Betting on negative emissions", Nature Climate Change, doi:10.1038/nclimate2392

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate2392.html (http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate2392.html)
See the following link for free copy of the Fuss et. al. (2014) paper

http://sites.biology.duke.edu/jackson/ncc2014.pdf (http://sites.biology.duke.edu/jackson/ncc2014.pdf)

Edit:

I attach the second Fuss et al (2014) image for clarity.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 30, 2014, 04:38:45 AM
no Bob, you are reading the wrong graph, your quote on "climate protection" from the following quote from the summary for policymakers.

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Decarbonizing (i. e. reducing the carbon intensity of) electricity generation is a key component of cos teffective mitigation strategies in achieving low-stabilization levels (430 – 530 ppm CO2eq); in most integrated modelling scenarios, decarbonization happens more rapidly in electricity generation than in the industry, buildings, and transport sectors (medium evidence, high agreement) (Figure SPM.7). In the majority of low-stabilization scenarios, the share of low-carbon electricity supply (comprising renewable energy (RE), nuclear and CCS) increases from the current share of approximately 30 % to more than 80 % by 2050, and fossil fuel power generation without CCS is phased out almost entirely by 2100 (Figure SPM. 7). [6.8, 7.11, Figures 7.14, TS.18]

this is RCP 4.5 not 2.6

no one takes RCP 2.6 as even remotely possible now (though it really is our only last hope.  This is why I am saying that free market implementation and high wealth inequality regimes are contrary to societal survival, in the near term.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 30, 2014, 04:43:47 AM
My goodness!  How did thousands of climate scientists miss that while the latest ICPP report was being put together? 

Perhaps you should bring it to their attention. 

Or perhaps you should read some climate science first.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/01/much-ado-about-methane/ (http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/01/much-ado-about-methane/)

I have not brought up methane in this thread.  You, however need to seriously recalibrate your understanding of how the IPCC report is generated.  you act as though the process allows the scientists to place into the document the information that they wish.

Did you forget this part that was vetoed by Saudi Arabia?

This is some of the writing that was dropped from the report under political pressure as Teapotty posted about above.
-------------------
http://cryptome.org/2014/04/ipcc-draft-14-0421.pdf (http://cryptome.org/2014/04/ipcc-draft-14-0421.pdf)


Risks for warming between about 2°C and 4°C above pre-industrial

Risks increase with temperature and become high for all Reasons for Concern by 4°C warming above preindustrial levels (Figure 3.4).

-Many species and systems with limited adaptive capacity are subject to very high risks with
additional warming of 2°C, particularly Arctic sea-ice and coral-reef systems (RFC 1).
-Many species will be unable to track suitable climates under mid- and high-range rates of change
(RCP 4.5 and higher) and those that cannot adapt sufficiently fast will decrease in abundance or go extinct in part or all of their ranges. For medium- to high-emission scenarios (RCP 4.5 and higher), ocean acidification, together with decreasing oxygen levels and other drivers, poses substantial risks to marine ecosystems. A large fraction of terrestrial, freshwater, and marine species face increasing extinctions risk under projected climate change during and beyond the 21st century (RFC 1, 4).{WGII SPM.B1}

Extensive biodiversity loss with associated loss of ecosystem goods and services results in aggregate risks becoming high by 4°C warming (RFC 1, 4)

-Climate change is projected to reduce renewable surface water and groundwater resources significantly in most dry subtropical regions (Topic 2.5.2).
-Aggregate economic damages accelerate with increasing temperature but few quantitative estimates have been completed for additional warming around 3°C or above (RFC 4).
-Risks from large-scale singular events increase disproportionately around ~2°C and become high
above 3°C, due to the potential for a large and irreversible sea-level rise from ice sheet loss. {RFC 5,WGII SPM B-1}

 Global surface temperature change for the end of the 21st century is more likely than not to exceed 2°C for RCP4.5, and likely to exceed 2°C for RCP6.0 and RCP8.5. It is about as likely as not to exceed 4°C for RCP8.5. Such scenarios require slower emission cuts than the scenarios likely to avoid a warming above 2°C, but all scenarios that limit climate change require substantial and sustained reductions in greenhouse gas emissions (Topic 3.2). {WGI SPM}

Risks from warming above 4°C compared to pre-industrial

Above 4°C warming compared to preindustrial levels, as projected by RCP8.5, risks from climate
change are high to very high in all reasons for concerns and include substantial species extinction,
large risks to global and regional food security, and the combination of high temperature and
humidity compromising normal human activities in some areas for parts of the year
(Figure 3.4) All

aspects of food security are potentially affected by climate change including food access, utilization, and price stability (RFC 3). {WGII SPM B2}

----------------
I am sure that this isn't really important information to include in the report. . .
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Csnavywx on December 30, 2014, 05:10:17 AM
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The thing is, if you actually read the report and in particular, RCP 2.6, you get a real sense of what it will now take to stay below 2C.


I see a need to stop the increase in CO2 emissions by sometime after 2050 and then a gradual decrease.



Jai is basically correct here. CO2 concentrations in that graph represent cumulative emissions that aren't absorbed by land and ocean sinks. The problem is, if we wait too long (even another 10 years is too late), CF/PCF/land carbon emissions will take over and cancel out the ocean sinks, locking us in to that concentration barring strong net negative carbon sequestration by us.

McDougall et al. and several other studies have papers about this issue. SkS did a nice write-up about it a couple of years ago. It is definitely worth perusing: http://www.skepticalscience.com/Macdougall.html (http://www.skepticalscience.com/Macdougall.html)

Please note that I don't think this means that we should give up by any means. 500-600 ppm will be plenty bad enough, but it's still a hell of a lot better than the alternative.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 30, 2014, 05:13:54 AM
Bob,

I hope that this has helped you to grasp a few new concepts and increased your understanding.  we have looked at the reductions needed to meet the RCP 4.5 scenario across multiple sectors on a global scale.  We have also looked at the inconsistencies between IPCC projections and the lack of inclusion of carbon cycle feedbacks, though they included the graphic in the actual WGI report.

In addition I have shared with you the type of language that gets left out of the summary for policymakers and hope that this has helped you to grasp the immense task ahead of us in attempting to meet even the RCP 4.5 scenario (with carbon feedbacks).

I understand that you have a very limited understanding of these actual sciences and even the basic economic solutions that you suggest.  What has been missing, up to now, is a sense of scale.  You have indeed engaged in significant "magical thinking" on this one.

stick around.  There is so much valuable information (and some not so!) here!  I suggest you follow closely all the stuff by Werther, A-team and Abrupt SLR (as well as Neven of course!).

In parting I want you to consider the following post, probably the best summary of information not included in the most recent IPCC report.

realize that all of our discussions since you posted your link to the summary quote of 40-70% by 2050 has NOT included any of the following.

Cheers!
Jai.

As Laurent can handle more feedback factors not fully accounted for in AR5, I offer the following partial listing ;):

1. The following linked reference indicates that the addition of forcings are generally non-linear resulting in larger radiative forcing than most models assume that are used to advise policymakers:

http://www.earth-syst-dynam.net/4/253/2013/esd-4-253-2013.html (http://www.earth-syst-dynam.net/4/253/2013/esd-4-253-2013.html)

The sensitivity of the modeled energy budget and hydrological cycle to CO2 and solar forcing by: N. Schaller, J. Cermak, M. Wild, and R. Knutti; Earth Syst. Dynam., 4, 253–266, 2013; www.earth-syst-dynam.net/4/253/2013/; (http://www.earth-syst-dynam.net/4/253/2013/;) doi:10.5194/esd-4-253-2013

2. The following linked two references discuss the positive feedback caused by the acidification of the oceans reducing sulfur flux from the ocean which then results in more radiative forcing than considered in AR5:

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1981.html (http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1981.html)

Global warming amplified by reduced sulphur fluxes as a result of ocean acidification; Katharina D. Six, Silvia Kloster, Tatiana Ilyina, Stephen D. Archer, Kai Zhang & Ernst Maier-Reimer; Nature Climate Change;  (2013); doi:10.1038/nclimate1981


http://www.mpimet.mpg.de/nc/en/communication/news/single-news/article/climate-change-ocean-acidification-amplifies-global-warming.html (http://www.mpimet.mpg.de/nc/en/communication/news/single-news/article/climate-change-ocean-acidification-amplifies-global-warming.html)


3. The following linked reference discusses the risk of decades-old carbon being emitted into the atmosphere due to global warming.  This could be a significant positive feedback factor (that has not been included in most models yet) if the world stays on the BAU path that it is currently following:

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/06/07/1120603109.abstract (http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/06/07/1120603109.abstract)


Warming accelerates decomposition of decades-old carbon in forest soils;
by: Francesca M. Hopkins, Margaret S. Torn, and Susan E. Trumbore; PNAS June 11, 2012; doi: 10.1073/pnas.1120603109


4. The linked reference indicates that there is considerable uncertainty in the amount of potential CO₂ contribution to the atmosphere from Soil Organic Carbon (SOC) particularly under RCP 8.5, and greater uncertainty means greater risk:

http://www.earth-syst-dynam-discuss.net/4/1035/2013/esdd-4-1035-2013.html (http://www.earth-syst-dynam-discuss.net/4/1035/2013/esdd-4-1035-2013.html)


Nishina, K., Ito, A., Beerling, D. J., Cadule, P., Ciais, P., Clark, D. B., Falloon, P., Friend, A. D., Kahana, R., Kato, E., Keribin, R., Lucht, W., Lomas, M., Rademacher, T. T., Pavlick, R., Schaphoff, S., Vuichard, N., Warszawaski, L., and Yokohata, T.: Global soil organic carbon stock projection uncertainties relevant to sensitivity of global mean temperature and precipitation changes, Earth Syst. Dynam. Discuss., 4, 1035-1064, doi:10.5194/esdd-4-1035-2013, 2013


5. The linked reference indicates that terrestrial vegetation will stop acting as a carbon sink after a 4 degree C mean global surface temperature rise, while this high degree of climate sensitivity is not captured by most GCMs:

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/12/12/1222477110 (http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/12/12/1222477110)

Andrew D. Friend, Wolfgang Lucht, Tim T. Rademacher, Rozenn Keribin, Richard Betts, Patricia Cadule, Philippe Ciais, Douglas B. Clark, Rutger Dankers, Pete D. Falloon, Akihiko Ito, Ron Kahana, Axel Kleidon, Mark R. Lomas, Kazuya Nishina, Sebastian Ostberg, Ryan Pavlick, Philippe Peylin, Sibyll Schaphoff, Nicolas Vuichard, Lila Warszawski, Andy Wiltshire, and F. Ian Woodward, 2013, "Carbon residence time dominates uncertainty in terrestrial vegetation responses to future climate and atmospheric CO₂", PNAS December 16, 2013, doi: 10.1073/pnas.1222477110

6. The linked reference provides the first evidence that as water vapor invades the stratosphere it is serving as source of a significant positive feedback mechanism (which in not fully modelled by most GCMs):

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/09/26/1310344110.abstract?sid=8069b689-eb9f-44f1-8e4e-13e764b3d5fc (http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/09/26/1310344110.abstract?sid=8069b689-eb9f-44f1-8e4e-13e764b3d5fc)

A. E. Dessler, M. R. Schoeberl, T. Wang, S. M. Davis, and K. H. Rosenlof, (2013), "Stratospheric water vapor feedback", PNAS, doi: 10.1073/pnas.1310344110

7. The linked reference (with a free access pdf) indicates that the albedo of both melting snow and ice are affected at least two times more adversely than non-melting snow and ice by black carbon.  Therefore, as the polar areas continue warm-up the positive feedback from black carbon will likely increase:

Marks, A. A. and King, M. D.: The effect of snow/sea ice type on the response of albedo and light penetration depth (e-folding depth) to increasing black carbon, The Cryosphere Discuss., 8, 1023-1056, doi:10.5194/tcd-8-1023-2014, 2014.

http://www.the-cryosphere-discuss.net/8/1023/2014/tcd-8-1023-2014.html (http://www.the-cryosphere-discuss.net/8/1023/2014/tcd-8-1023-2014.html)

8. The following linked research indicates that emissions of methane of biological origins increase rapidly with increasing warming, even on a seasonal, or ENSO, basis:

Gabriel Yvon-Durocher, Andrew P. Allen, David Bastviken, Ralf Conrad, Cristian Gudasz, Annick St-Pierre, Nguyen Thanh-Duc & Paul A. del Giorgio, (2014), "Methane fluxes show consistent temperature dependence across microbial to ecosystem scales", Nature, Volume: 507, pp: 488–491, doi:10.1038/nature13164

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v507/n7493/full/nature13164.html (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v507/n7493/full/nature13164.html)

9. The linked reference makes it clear that the boreal forests (in the taiga, see the attached image for the extent) are at greater risk of destruction than previously realized, most significantly due to the thawing of the permafrost, which promotes fires, droughts and insect attack.  Not only would this destruction turn a large CO₂ sink into a CO₂ source, but would also eliminate a major source of aerosols emitted by the boreal forests which facilitate cloud formation (which reflects sunlight and reduces global warming):

Moen, J., Rist, L., Bishop, K., Chapin, F. S., Ellison, D., Kuuluvainen, T., Bradshaw, C. J. (2014), "Eye on the taiga: removing global policy impediments to safeguard the boreal forest", Conservation Letters, DOI: 10.1111/conl.12098

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/conl.12098/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/conl.12098/abstract)

10. The linked reference indicates that methane emissions from livestock is greater than previously thought, and with meat consumption in Asia increasing rapidly, the coming increases livestock will contribute to increasing atmospheric methane concentrations:

Wecht, K. J., D. J. Jacob, C. Frankenberg, Z. Jiang, and D. R. Blake (2014), Mapping of North American methane emissions with high spatial resolution by inversion of SCIAMACHY satellite data, J. Geophys. Res. Atmos., 119, doi:10.1002/2014JD021551.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014JD021551/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014JD021551/abstract)

11. The linked article about current Canadian wildfires indicate that the current weather pattern contributing to the wildfires were not predicted by the GCMs to occur for another 40-yrs:

http://www.adn.com/article/20140717/worst-wildfire-season-decades-canada-s-northwest-territories (http://www.adn.com/article/20140717/worst-wildfire-season-decades-canada-s-northwest-territories)

12. The linked article (with a free access pdf) indicates that as global temperatures increase, methane emissions from peat bogs will also increase:

van Winden JF, Reichart G-J, McNamara NP, Benthien A, Damsté JSS (2012) Temperature-Induced Increase in Methane Release from Peat Bogs: A Mesocosm Experiment. PLoS ONE 7(6): e39614. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0039614

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0039614 (http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0039614)

13. The linked reference indicates that the Earth System Sensitivity, ESS, may be bigger than previously thought; however, it does not indicate how quickly the positive feedback from the synchronization of the North Pacific and North Atlantic climates:

Summer K. Praetorius, Alan C. Mix, (2014), "Synchronization of North Pacific and Greenland climates preceded abrupt deglacial warming", Science 25 July 2014: Vol. 345 no. 6195 pp. 444-448 DOI: 10.1126/science.1252000

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/345/6195/444 (http://www.sciencemag.org/content/345/6195/444)

14. The linked reference found that aerosol-cloud associated changes in the amount of the clouds and changes of their internal properties are both equally important in their contribution to cooling our planet. Moreover, they found that the total impact from the influence of aerosols on this type of cloud is almost double that estimated in the latest report of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.  These finding could lead to an increase in the observed global warming as China begins to clean-up its air pollution:

Yi-Chun Chen, Matthew W. Christensen, Graeme L. Stephens & John H. Seinfeld, (2014), "Satellite-based estimate of global aerosol–cloud radiative forcing by marine warm clouds", Nature Geoscience, doi:10.1038/ngeo2214

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ngeo2214.html (http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ngeo2214.html)

15. The linked reference (with a free access pdf) provides evidence that the main source of uncertainty for Arctic climate variability, and its predictability, is the North Pacific.  As we know that the North Pacific is projected to warm-up over the next 25 years in order to synchronize with the North Atlantic, it seems likely that we can expect the Arctic to warm rapidly as the North Pacific warms:

Dmitry V. Sein, Nikolay V. Koldunov, Joaquim G. Pinto, William Cabos, (2014), "Sensitivity of simulated regional Arctic climate to the choice of coupled model domain", Tellus A, 66, 23966, http://dx.doi.org/10.3402/tellusa.v66.23966 (http://dx.doi.org/10.3402/tellusa.v66.23966)

http://www.tellusa.net/index.php/tellusa/article/view/23966 (http://www.tellusa.net/index.php/tellusa/article/view/23966)

16. The linked 2013 article focuses on changes in the Arctic Ocean, and indicates that changes in the plankton there could result in a positive feedback (that will likely become more important with time) associated both with lower dimethyl sulphide production and lower CO2 absorption: 

http://www.egu.eu/news/76/tiny-plankton-could-have-big-impact-on-climate/ (http://www.egu.eu/news/76/tiny-plankton-could-have-big-impact-on-climate/)

17. The reference cited below indicates that atmospheric hydroxyl-radical concentrations are about the same in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres.  This is bad news as it implies that methane emissions in the Northern Hemisphere are likely higher than researchers have previously assumed (as it was expected that the Northern Hemisphere would have more hydroxyl-radicals than the Southern Hemisphere, and it appears likely that greenhouse gases such as methane are consuming part of store of atmospheric hydroxyl-radicals in the Northern Hemisphere).

P. K. Patra, M.C. Krol, S. A. Montzka, T. Arnold, E. L. Atlas, B.R. Lintner, B.B. Stephens, B. Xiang, J. W. Elkins, P. J. Fraser, A. Ghosh, E. J. Hintsa, D. F. Hurst, K. Ishijima, P. B. Krummel, B.R. Miller, K. Miyazaki, F.L. Moore, J. Mühle, S. O’Doherty, R.G. Prinn, L.P. Steele, M. Takigawa, . J. Wang, R.F. Weiss, S.C. Wofsy, and D. Young, (2014), "Observational evidence for interhemispheric hydroxyl-radical parity", Nature, doi:10.1038/nature13721


http://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/just-published/12346/wheres-atmospheres-self-cleaning-power (http://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/just-published/12346/wheres-atmospheres-self-cleaning-power)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 05:32:49 AM
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no one takes RCP 2.6 as even remotely possible now

RCP2.6 says peak by about 2025 and drop to about zero net CO2 by 2100.  Possibly go somewhat CO2 negative.

I take that as very possible.  I think somewhere between 2025 and 2030 is where peak is most likely to occur.  And I think we can drop faster than the curve.  If we want, if we get adequately concerned, we can drop to zero by 2050. 

We have technology.  The transition is affordable.  Every year our technology improves and costs drop.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Csnavywx on December 30, 2014, 05:45:19 AM
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My goodness!  How did thousands of climate scientists miss that while the latest ICPP report was being put together? 

Perhaps you should bring it to their attention. 

Or perhaps you should read some climate science first.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/01/much-ado-about-methane/ (http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/01/much-ado-about-methane/)

They didn't miss it, actually. As the United Nations Environmental Program states in their report:

http://www.unep.org/pdf/permafrost.pdf (http://www.unep.org/pdf/permafrost.pdf)

On page 21:

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The IPCC will release the AR5 in stages between September 2013 and October 2014, but to meet deadlines, participating model teams froze new model development in 2009, before the scientific community fully realized the potential effects of the permafrost carbon feedback on global climate. The modeling teams simply did not have time to incorporate the permafrost
carbon feedback into their models.

There's been a lot of advancement on the topic in just the last few years. The long process of putting together an IPCC report naturally excludes the latest research. It's a known issue inside the climate community. UNEP actually proposes a special commission on the issue in their report.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Csnavywx on December 30, 2014, 05:55:20 AM
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no one takes RCP 2.6 as even remotely possible now

RCP2.6 says peak by about 2025 and drop to about zero net CO2 by 2100.  Possibly go somewhat CO2 negative.

I take that as very possible.  I think somewhere between 2025 and 2030 is where peak is most likely to occur.  And I think we can drop faster than the curve.  If we want, if we get adequately concerned, we can drop to zero by 2050. 

We have technology.  The transition is affordable.  Every year our technology improves and costs drop.

We are actually 3-5GT/yr above 2.6's mean peak emission rates for 2020 already. To "meet the blue line" so to speak, would require peak emissions basically this year. Another 6 years along the mean 8.5 path puts us solidly out of reach for the forseeable future, by any objective measure. It would also start throwing 4.5 into jeopardy. The area underneath the curves is ultimately what matters, as this determines the cumulative emission.

No doubt about it, time is a super-critical resource at this point.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 30, 2014, 06:10:46 AM
again, your statement, bob, indicates your lack of basic knowledge regarding co2 emissions.

you propose that we replace a significant majority of our transportation, industrial energy use and power generation infrastructure but neglect to consider that these activities actually demand more energy and hence, more emissions.

in addition, the production of Concrete and agriculture land use is going to be nearly impossible to reduce significantly.  therefore, your "slightly negative" values of emissions actually entail a significant global effort to actively geoengineer the climate.

and these are all without considering the feedbacks of arctic sea ice, melting permafrost and the other ASLR links I shared above.

if you bother (and I am starting to think that you won't or can't) to think seriously about this, you will realize that your assumptions and extrapolation of price per unit solar and wind into the larger frame of mitigation strategies is akin to magical thinking and even boarders on denialism.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 07:01:44 AM
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you propose that we replace a significant majority of our transportation, industrial energy use and power generation infrastructure but neglect to consider that these activities actually demand more energy and hence, more emissions.

A year or so back the world passed the point at which we had enough solar generation on line to produce all the energy annually we need to make solar panels.  We passed this point much earlier with wind.

We are going to have to replace coal plants as they wear out.  That is a baked in cost.  The  overnight cost of a coal plant is $3/watt.  Given the time it takes to construct and bring one on line the installed price is somewhere around $5/watt.  The installed cost of a wind farm is $1.63/watt.  At a CF of 85% for coal and a CF of 40% for wind that works out to $5.88 vs. $4.07 installed/produced watt.

Replacing coal with wind is cheaper, even before allowing for the fuel cost differential. 

Solar works out higher ($9.05) per installed/produced watt but the price of solar should fall by at least 50%.    Other countries are installing for about 40% less than what it currently costs in the US.

Then let's add in the $140 billion to $242 billion per year we spend treating coal-related health problems in the US.  Europe spends up to €42.8 billion a year.

We may spend a little bit retiring coal plants early but we will more than earn that back via pollution related cost savings.

We are already cutting emissions in the US and we're saving money doing so.

(https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi619.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt275%2FBob_Wall%2FFossiltoRenew1st6Mo2014.png&hash=63fa85457e3cd528296aedc2b0617254) (http://s619.photobucket.com/user/Bob_Wall/media/FossiltoRenew1st6Mo2014.png.html)

We will replace the cars we now drive over the next ~ 20 years.  We know that we'll replace them with more efficient vehicles because we've made the manufacturers produce more efficient vehicles. 

We are likely to see longer range (~200 mile) EVs for around $35k within the next two - three years.  The average new car price in the US is $32k. 

At that point EVs take off.  Economies of scale should bring down the cost of EVs to at least the mid-$20k range in less than 10 years.  ICEVs should have lost considerable market share by then and be basically disappeared from showrooms in less than 20 years.  New technologies generally take over very quickly once they reach the "as good or better and/or as as cheap or cheaper" point.

That's where we say goodbye to most of our oil use.  Public transportation will be going electric at the same time.  We already have electric buses which are cheaper to own and operate than diesel buses for city use. 

We're also likely to see our cars and buses lasting much longer than did our ICEVs.  We send cars to the crusher because it costs too much to replace the engine/transmission.  Industrial electric motors last "forever" and are inexpensive to rebuild.   We're looking at EV batteries that can go 3,000 cycles before they drop to 80% capacity.  That's 600,000 miles in a 200 mile range EV. 

New paint, new seat covers.  Drive that EV 300k. 400k.  We build far fewer new vehicles simply because the market doesn't want more used ones.

It becomes cheaper to travel carbon-free than using fossil fuels.

Each solar panel, each wind turbine, each EV, each electric bus or trolley we bring on line cuts fossil fuel use and more than pays for itself via baked in savings.

This is just the market operating.  As I've said multiple times, the market alone may not get us where we need to be fast enough.  We may have to put a price on carbon in order to speed things up.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: werther on December 30, 2014, 11:17:29 AM
I am interested in all information concerning implementation of renewables. I welcome new developments.
Thanks for sharing that from your expertise, Bob. I can enjoy your enthousiasm, when you say ‘we’re gonna do this…’. To make that enthousiasm work, I suppose it is necessary on a political level not to discourage people. I can understand that. But what I see happening is that, at least in the Netherlands, it also dozes the leadership into a false sense of average priority.

For as much specification as I can produce from my recollection, the Netherlands now has a 4% share of renewables in its’ energy supply and generation. GHG emission-growth has been reduced, merely because of small economic growth since 2008 and outsourcing to low-wages countries.

It is no surprise that the Netherlands come out as the worst country in Western Europe by standards of climate policy in the annual report of ‘German Climate Watch’. I cannot speak for other countries, so I won’t suppose there’s no sincere and meaningful action on energy-efficiency and renewable elsewhere. But the story over here doesn’t help much.

It is when you are engaging in debate over the urgency of the climate threat, when you’re getting annoying instead of enthousiast, Bob. To be able to hold on to your engineering enthousiasm, you dismiss genuine concern. Better avoid to categorize the opposing views as idiosyncrasy.
You are entitled to suggest that AR5 by the IPCC still covers ground for action through which a catastrophe can be bypassed. But risk analysis shows that chances are bad.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: GeoffBeacon on December 30, 2014, 02:38:10 PM
I've just done a piece "We need a green recession and full employment" http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/free-markets-poverty-and-equality-and-climate/ (http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/free-markets-poverty-and-equality-and-climate/)

Preface
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This preface is an afterthought. After a week or so of struggling to bring out the argument below, I have realised a few days later a simpler way of expressing where the argument leads: to save the world from climate catastrophe a reduction we need a recession because we have to cut most of that consumption which pollutes.  Green growth is greenwashing. We need a green recession.  Below I suggest one mechanism of creating a green recession with full employment.

I have changed the title from “Poverty, equality, climate and growth” to “We need a green recession and full employment”.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: wili on December 30, 2014, 04:42:38 PM
Thanks, Geoff.

Another strategy toward reaching full employment is to cut the length of the working week.

If people have secure health coverage and aren't being gouged by their landlord or mortgage bankster or other financial criminals, people should be able to survive on fewer hours worked, or, as you say, be compensated.

On the fine thing--really, what the BP oil spill was goes beyond something that should be fined. It was criminal negligence. There are and need to be more laws against spilling massive quantities of pollution into our waterways and air. So I think a fine, while it may be necessary, is not sufficient.

We must directly regulate the emissions of carbon fuels with the aim to rapidly bring them to zero.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: SATire on December 30, 2014, 05:42:56 PM
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If you are ideologically opposed to wealth redistribution and heavily regulated industries/markets, you have an almost 100% likelihood to disbelieve the science of climate change.

You could be heavily invested in renewable energy and be opposed wealth redistribution.  Lots of people are greedy.

I would suggest that there are many wealthy people who understand climate change ("believe") but still fight to maintain their profits from dirty energy.  Just because one understands that their behavior harms others does not mean that they automatically change their behavior.

Lots of people are greedy.
Bob - things are not that simple. Not all people making money with renewables want to reduce CO2 - some just want to continue BAU and thus are not aiming for 1 t/CO2/person/year and thus are not working against climate change.

And not all people promoting wealth distribution are greedy. Some people are really angry. E.g. I read about wall-street people getting money just as much as before the crash - and they get the money for doing things I would not spend my money for. OK - that is some kind of robbery and I should not bother. Unfortunately they do not behave like normal criminals: Instead of spending that money for drugs and girls they spend it for flying with private helicopters from their house in the hamptons to work - rendering the CO2-reduction effort of 1,000 serious people useless.

Maybe cap&trade are not enough. We should consider also cap&jail: After being responsible for 100 t CO2 in the air people should go to jail with vegetarian food only... After producing more CO2 than the average person in the world (e.g. 1 t/year ~ 100 t/life) it should be "game over" with emission or personal consumption of anything not 100% sustainable. It is not greediness: Those people eat away the earth of my children! That behaviour is criminal like robbery or maybe even like a suicide terrorist!
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: GeoffBeacon on December 30, 2014, 05:43:22 PM
Wili

Thanks.

I won't argue much with that.

I'm not against regulation but a carbon tax/fine would be a quick start.

The flat rate subsidy/rebate on labour in the proposals could be linked to a shorter working week.

But we do need a green recession.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on December 30, 2014, 06:06:11 PM
Wili

Thanks.

I won't argue much with that.

I'm not against regulation but a carbon tax/fine would be a quick start.

The flat rate subsidy/rebate on labour in the proposals could be linked to a shorter working week.

But we do need a green recession.

Geoff,

While most people think of a recession as a job killer, the linked website discusses a USA based tax neutral carbon fee & dividend that: (a) redistributes wealth (see the first image), (b) leads to increased employment (see the second & third attached image); and (c) limits domestic consumption associated with fossil fuels.

http://climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/1300404/planId/2802 (http://climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/1300404/planId/2802)

Best,
ASLR

"Never doubt that a group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world.  Indeed it is the only thing that ever has."  Margret Mead, 1969
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 08:07:11 PM
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It is when you are engaging in debate over the urgency of the climate threat, when you’re getting annoying instead of enthousiast, Bob. To be able to hold on to your engineering enthousiasm, you dismiss genuine concern. Better avoid to categorize the opposing views as idiosyncrasy.
You are entitled to suggest that AR5 by the IPCC still covers ground for action through which a catastrophe can be bypassed. But risk analysis shows that chances are bad.

Please give me a list of the scientific organizations and governmental scientific bodies which have stated the IPCC has greatly underestimated climate change.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 30, 2014, 08:33:14 PM
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It is when you are engaging in debate over the urgency of the climate threat, when you’re getting annoying instead of enthousiast, Bob. To be able to hold on to your engineering enthousiasm, you dismiss genuine concern. Better avoid to categorize the opposing views as idiosyncrasy.
You are entitled to suggest that AR5 by the IPCC still covers ground for action through which a catastrophe can be bypassed. But risk analysis shows that chances are bad.

Please give me a list of the scientific organizations and governmental scientific bodies which have stated the IPCC has greatly underestimated climate change.

Whats the matter? your google broke?

here:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=IPCC+underestimated (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=IPCC+underestimated)

Scientific American
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-ipcc-underestimated-climate-change/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-ipcc-underestimated-climate-change/)

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How the IPCC Underestimated Climate Change

Here are just eight examples of where the IPCC missed predictions

Washington post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/30/climate-scientists-arent-too-alarmist-theyre-too-conservative/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/30/climate-scientists-arent-too-alarmist-theyre-too-conservative/)

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The IPCC, one scientific group http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378012001215 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378012001215) charged last year, has a tendency to "err on the side of least drama." And now, in a new study just out in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, another group of researchers echoes that point. In scientific parlance, they charge that the IPCC is focused on avoiding what are called "type 1" errors -- claiming something is happening when it really is not (a "false positive") -- rather than on avoiding "type 2" errors -- not claiming something is happening when it really is (a "false negative").

The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/dec/04/experts-ipcc-underestimated-sea-level-rise (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/dec/04/experts-ipcc-underestimated-sea-level-rise)

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It looks like past IPCC predictions of sea level rise were too conservative; things are worse than we thought. That is the takeaway message from a new study http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379113004381 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379113004381) out in Quaternary Science Reviews and from updates to the IPCC report itself. The new study, which is also discussed in depth on RealClimate, tries to determine what our sea levels will be in the future. What they found isn't pretty.

Climate Progress
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/31/1524981/why-climate-scientists-have-consistently-underestimated-key-global-warming-impacts/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/31/1524981/why-climate-scientists-have-consistently-underestimated-key-global-warming-impacts/)

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Why Climate Scientists Have Consistently UNDERestimated Key Global Warming Impacts

 by Joe Romm Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:12 pm

Daily Climate
http://www.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/2012/12/ipcc-climate-predictions (http://www.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/2012/12/ipcc-climate-predictions)

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Another example: This summer, NASA climatologist James Hansen co-authored an analysis of recent extreme weather across the globe. Hansen's team arrived at a strikingly different conclusion from an IPCC special assessment on the topic released just months earlier.

The Hansen study, http://www.pnas.org/content/109/37/E2415.abstract?sid=6284a734-3a11-495c-b29a-ac89a5f5b1df (http://www.pnas.org/content/109/37/E2415.abstract?sid=6284a734-3a11-495c-b29a-ac89a5f5b1df)  published in August in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, concluded that rapid climate change over the past 30 years has loaded the dice in favor of extreme weather.

Skeptical Science
http://www.skepticalscience.com/ipcc-scientific-consensus.htm (http://www.skepticalscience.com/ipcc-scientific-consensus.htm)

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How the IPCC is more likely to underestimate the climate response

Numerous papers have documented how IPCC predictions are more likely to underestimate the climate response.

The Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatechange/10331898/Lord-Stern-IPCC-report-will-underestimate-climate-change.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatechange/10331898/Lord-Stern-IPCC-report-will-underestimate-climate-change.html)

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Lord Stern: IPCC report will underestimate climate change

This week’s IPCC report will underestimate the future threat of climate change because scientific models do not include certain key variables, according to a leading expert

Earth Island Journal
http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/paltry_predictions/ (http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/paltry_predictions/)

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Go Back: Home > Earth Island Journal > Issues > Spring 2009 > Web Exclusive
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Paltry PredictionsWhy Have Some of the World’s Best and Brightest Minds Underestimated How Quickly We’re Scorching the Atmosphere?

We’re looking at future climate beyond anything we’ve considered,” Chris Field, director of the global ecology department at the Carnegie Institution for Science, told the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) annual meeting in Chicago last month. “Actual emissions are at or above the total range of possibilities considered in the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment.”

The underestimation of greenhouse emissions occurred, Field said, because the IPCC failed to include in its scenarios the rapid increase in carbon dioxide from Asia’s coal-reliant industrial expansion between 2000 and 2007


These are just the top level links to a two-word google search.

are you sure you aren't just trolling?


Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 08:36:31 PM
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It is when you are engaging in debate over the urgency of the climate threat, when you’re getting annoying

Just to add, IMHO doomers should be annoyed.  As frequently as possible.

We've got a couple people posting here who seem to feel it would be a good thing for us to experience a global crash, billions of people to die horrible deaths.

We've got people who are certain that we will crash.  That there is no chance of us dogging this bullet and that the end is short decades away.

Sites that are legitimately concerned about the climate tend to attract extremists who seem to relish thoughts of a future full of disaster.  I suspect they also imagine that they will emerge as the alpha male leading a pack of buxom female warriors and triumphing over their foes.   A more enjoyable life than toiling in their cubical while being yelled at by their boss.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Laurent on December 30, 2014, 08:45:21 PM
By the way, I am using a metasearcher that isn't google...if you are interested in alternatives...
https://searx.laquadrature.net/
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Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 08:46:05 PM
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It is when you are engaging in debate over the urgency of the climate threat, when you’re getting annoying instead of enthousiast, Bob. To be able to hold on to your engineering enthousiasm, you dismiss genuine concern. Better avoid to categorize the opposing views as idiosyncrasy.
You are entitled to suggest that AR5 by the IPCC still covers ground for action through which a catastrophe can be bypassed. But risk analysis shows that chances are bad.

Please give me a list of the scientific organizations and governmental scientific bodies which have stated the IPCC has greatly underestimated climate change.

Whats the matter? your google broke?

here:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=IPCC+underestimated (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=IPCC+underestimated)

Scientific American
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-ipcc-underestimated-climate-change/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-ipcc-underestimated-climate-change/)

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How the IPCC Underestimated Climate Change

Here are just eight examples of where the IPCC missed predictions

Washington post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/30/climate-scientists-arent-too-alarmist-theyre-too-conservative/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/30/climate-scientists-arent-too-alarmist-theyre-too-conservative/)

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The IPCC, one scientific group http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378012001215 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378012001215) charged last year, has a tendency to "err on the side of least drama." And now, in a new study just out in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, another group of researchers echoes that point. In scientific parlance, they charge that the IPCC is focused on avoiding what are called "type 1" errors -- claiming something is happening when it really is not (a "false positive") -- rather than on avoiding "type 2" errors -- not claiming something is happening when it really is (a "false negative").

The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/dec/04/experts-ipcc-underestimated-sea-level-rise (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/dec/04/experts-ipcc-underestimated-sea-level-rise)

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It looks like past IPCC predictions of sea level rise were too conservative; things are worse than we thought. That is the takeaway message from a new study http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379113004381 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379113004381) out in Quaternary Science Reviews and from updates to the IPCC report itself. The new study, which is also discussed in depth on RealClimate, tries to determine what our sea levels will be in the future. What they found isn't pretty.

Climate Progress
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/31/1524981/why-climate-scientists-have-consistently-underestimated-key-global-warming-impacts/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/31/1524981/why-climate-scientists-have-consistently-underestimated-key-global-warming-impacts/)

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Why Climate Scientists Have Consistently UNDERestimated Key Global Warming Impacts

 by Joe Romm Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:12 pm

Daily Climate
http://www.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/2012/12/ipcc-climate-predictions (http://www.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/2012/12/ipcc-climate-predictions)

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Another example: This summer, NASA climatologist James Hansen co-authored an analysis of recent extreme weather across the globe. Hansen's team arrived at a strikingly different conclusion from an IPCC special assessment on the topic released just months earlier.

The Hansen study, http://www.pnas.org/content/109/37/E2415.abstract?sid=6284a734-3a11-495c-b29a-ac89a5f5b1df (http://www.pnas.org/content/109/37/E2415.abstract?sid=6284a734-3a11-495c-b29a-ac89a5f5b1df)  published in August in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, concluded that rapid climate change over the past 30 years has loaded the dice in favor of extreme weather.

Skeptical Science
http://www.skepticalscience.com/ipcc-scientific-consensus.htm (http://www.skepticalscience.com/ipcc-scientific-consensus.htm)

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How the IPCC is more likely to underestimate the climate response

Numerous papers have documented how IPCC predictions are more likely to underestimate the climate response.

The Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatechange/10331898/Lord-Stern-IPCC-report-will-underestimate-climate-change.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatechange/10331898/Lord-Stern-IPCC-report-will-underestimate-climate-change.html)

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Lord Stern: IPCC report will underestimate climate change

This week’s IPCC report will underestimate the future threat of climate change because scientific models do not include certain key variables, according to a leading expert

Earth Island Journal
http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/paltry_predictions/ (http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/paltry_predictions/)

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Paltry PredictionsWhy Have Some of the World’s Best and Brightest Minds Underestimated How Quickly We’re Scorching the Atmosphere?

We’re looking at future climate beyond anything we’ve considered,” Chris Field, director of the global ecology department at the Carnegie Institution for Science, told the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) annual meeting in Chicago last month. “Actual emissions are at or above the total range of possibilities considered in the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment.”

The underestimation of greenhouse emissions occurred, Field said, because the IPCC failed to include in its scenarios the rapid increase in carbon dioxide from Asia’s coal-reliant industrial expansion between 2000 and 2007


These are just the top level links to a two-word google search.

are you sure you aren't just trolling?

I will spend some time reading your links.

The first one is one person's opinion.  Not what I requested - major scientific organization official statement.

Glancing at a couple others it looks like more of the same.  Grabbing onto outlier opinion.

Joe writes more of the same.  He's always been something of a scenery chewer.

I'll read.  How about you give some thought as to whether you have taken an extremist's position?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on December 30, 2014, 09:35:45 PM

I'll read.  How about you give some thought as to whether you have taken an extremist's position?

Bob,

I have also been a bit "annoyed" by those who determined that there is no solution but collapse or there is no solution period.

I see it differently, I understand the societal and infrastructure changes that are needed to implement this fundamental transformation of our entire global society.  I have a sense of the raw materials and implementation effort needed to achieve even the RCP 4.5 goals we discussed earlier.d

to be absolutely frank, I really don't see how we are going to be able to do it all and at the same time deal with the global destabilization and adaption changes that the warming, already locked in at current levels, will bring.

That being said, then the only viable solution is to implement these changes as radically and as swiftly as can possibly be attained, all at the same time as we promote resiliency and deal with destabilization throughout the world.

I am not an extremist, I am an engineer.

p.s. there is a term "precautionary principle" that gets thrown around a lot.  Well, it is time for us to realize that the precautionary principle no longer applies as we have now explicitly observed the early impacts of climate change and by any reasonable comprehension of our circumstances must embrace that these impacts will necessarily grow in severity and frequency for the next 75 years or so.


Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 30, 2014, 09:50:52 PM
Gotta throw this into the mix:  consider the serious projections of renewables adoption that have turned out to be too low, year after year after year.

https://onclimatechangepolicydotorg.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/why-have-the-ieas-projections-of-renewables-growth-been-so-much-lower-than-the-out-turn/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on December 30, 2014, 11:01:09 PM
Maybe cap&trade are not enough. We should consider also cap&jail: After being responsible for 100 t CO2 in the air people should go to jail with vegetarian food only... After producing more CO2 than the average person in the world (e.g. 1 t/year ~ 100 t/life) it should be "game over" with emission or personal consumption of anything not 100% sustainable. It is not greediness: Those people eat away the earth of my children! That behaviour is criminal like robbery or maybe even like a suicide terrorist!

I understand your sentiment, but the splendid idea of Cap & Jail (!) should have been implemented in the 1980s — while we were watching Dallas, Dynasty and the Royal Wedding in England — IMO to avoid the collapse that now seems inevitable.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 30, 2014, 11:56:37 PM
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I see it differently, I understand the societal and infrastructure changes that are needed to implement this fundamental transformation of our entire global society.  I have a sense of the raw materials and implementation effort needed to achieve even the RCP 4.5 goals we discussed earlier.

Jacobson and Delucchi did what I would consider a decent job of defining the world's need for energy several years out and showed us that there is likely no problem with raw materials.  And that the job was feasible in as little as 20 years with a concerted effort.

That paper was published in 2009.  Five years later our wind turbines and solar panels produce more electricity "per pound" of raw materials.  We have greatly improved our efficiencies so that we will be need less power.

http://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/sad1109Jaco5p.indd.pdf (http://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/sad1109Jaco5p.indd.pdf)

We are not, IMO, sufficiently "fired up" yet to fix things.  We seem to get more concerned with each passing year.  We now have 82% of US citizens saying that something needs to be done about rising sea levels.  Next is for a significant majority to get concerned enough to start pushing hard on the government.

I'm looking at that "peak CO2 by ~2025", a drop in CO2 emissions by 40% to 70% by 2050, and a total phase out of fossil fuels by 2100 as a somewhat safe target.  If it isn't safe enough we should understand that over the next few years.  If we need to be fossil fuel free by 2050 we could finish the job we've started over the next 35 years.

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I feel it necessary to point out that I am not advocating going slow.
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I think we have a significant task ahead of us.  One in which we have to replace almost all of our coal and most of our natural gas with low carbon generation.  We have to replace almost all of our vehicles with low carbon vehicles.

Over the next 35 years.

Over the next 35 years we will replace the majority of our existing coal plants with something.  Coal plants wear out.  Coal plants have an average lifespan in the US of 40 years.

Over the next 35 years well replace most of the cars on our roads with something.  Twice.

If we need to cut CO2 emissions by 70% by 2050 then we need to replace about 2% of our coal and gas plants and about 2% of our vehicles with low carbon alternatives.  That is, considering what we will have to do simply because of stuff aging out, a piece of cake.

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I feel it necessary to repeat that I am not advocating for going as slowly as possible.
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Now, here's what I think will happen.

1) Most countries are going to show up for next year's climate get-together with plan that is at least close to adequate.

2) Those with the poorest plans will find people snapping at their heels.

3) We'll continue along the 1% to 2% switch-over per year for a year or three.

4) People will become more concerned.  Clean tech prices will drop and technology will improve.  Clean tech industries will gain more political power. 
 
5) We will see accelerating growth of clean tech solutions.

The rate of acceleration will be determined by changes in concern and falling prices.

If we get a very clear message from climate science that the "2025/2050/2100" targets are too low then we'll go balls to the wall and do the job in less than 20 years.  Be done with fossil fuels in less than 20 years.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Neven on December 31, 2014, 12:30:39 AM
I think we have a significant task ahead of us.  One in which we have to replace almost all of our coal and most of our natural gas with low carbon generation.  We have to replace almost all of our vehicles with low carbon vehicles.

Over the next 35 years.

Over the next 35 years we will replace the majority of our existing coal plants with something.  Coal plants wear out.  Coal plants have an average lifespan in the US of 40 years.

Over the next 35 years well replace most of the cars on our roads with something.  Twice.

We need to replace consumer culture, and the thing that is driving it and other negative stuff.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: SATire on December 31, 2014, 12:38:30 AM
I understand your sentiment, but the splendid idea of Cap & Jail (!) should have been implemented in the 1980s — while we were watching Dallas, Dynasty and the Royal Wedding in England — IMO to avoid the collapse that now seems inevitable.
viddaloo, in the eighties our favourite collapse & doom scenario was nuclear war - fighting the Pershings the doom felt like less than a decade away those days. Furthermore, we concentrated on acid rain (with very familiar discussions like denial of scientific background / doom scenarios for our cars industry vs. our nature) and later very successful fighting FCKW. Our parents did quite a good job since they won both fights. Now it is our time to win this fight.

And please remember: Technological solutions were not the bottle neck those times. As today it was very clear what to do and what to do not. We do not need any future technology or scaling or market miracles. All it needs is to ban CO2 fast enough - with the velocity determined by sciences. We may or may not have economic loss due to that transition - that does not matter much. So it is our job today to decrease CO2 emission by all means. Everything else is not of comparable importance. Let the people whine about austerity or de-growth or deflation or other effects of reduced consumption, we have to do it now. Help the poor people / the poor countries if you think the suffering is to large. But in our developed countries e.g. in Europe/USA/Japan such whining is just a bad joke and we all know that.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 31, 2014, 12:39:16 AM
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As Niels Bohr is reported to have said: "It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future."
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That's [how] I take forecasts that say that electric vehicles will be X% of total vehicles sold in 2040 or whatever. How good were we at projecting this stuff 25 years ago? Sometimes single events can make big changes. GM's decision to kill the EV1 and not pursue electric cars had a big impact. That Tesla didn't go bankrupt (they came very close) in 2009 and succeeded in launching the Model S also had a big impact. If they can get to the mass-market Model 3, that'll change things too. Add or remove any single thing and it's the butterfly effect, and in 25 years you might end up in a very different place. And I'm not even talking about things like oil prices, carbon taxes, etc. That's why forecasting is so hard.
http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/solar-power-forecasts-too-pessimistic-analysts-missed-59-past-4-years.html (http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/solar-power-forecasts-too-pessimistic-analysts-missed-59-past-4-years.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 31, 2014, 12:48:44 AM
I'm reading -

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Lord Stern: IPCC report will underestimate climate change

This week’s IPCC report will underestimate the future threat of climate change because scientific models do not include certain key variables, according to a leading expert


The Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatechange/10331898/Lord-Stern-IPCC-report-will-underestimate-climate-change.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatechange/10331898/Lord-Stern-IPCC-report-will-underestimate-climate-change.html)

Your link says that the IPCC will underestimate permafrost melting.

"mportant factors like the melting of frozen Arctic soil, which are expected to contribute significantly to global warming, have been left out of scientists’ calculations because the size of their impact remains unclear.
It means that models which will be used to inform the latest international assessment of climate science, to be revealed on Friday, “substantially underestimate” the scale of the problem, Lord Stern of Brentford claimed."

Here's the page where the 2014 IPCC report discusses the literature on permafrost melting.

http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg2/index.php?idp=607 (http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg2/index.php?idp=607)

Apparently permafrost emissions are not yet included in models because the amounts of methane/CO2 are unknown.  Gotta have some numbers in a mathematical model.

Rohn says

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While we have recently shown that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) temperature projections have been exceptionally accurate, several other projections in the IPCC reports have been far too conservative.


Then he says

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For example, Rahmstorf (2007) and more recently Rahmstorf et al. (2012) showed that sea level is rising at a rate inconsistent with all but the highest IPCC scenarios

OK, sea levels have risen at the highest IPCC model predictions.

Then -

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In 2012, Arctic sea ice melt shattered the previous record low, to levels unseen in millennia, increasing the margin by which IPCC projections have been too conservative.

Do we consider 2012 to be the "true" measure of Arctic sea ice or an exceptional year?  We now have two years of extent that's pretty much in the IPCC range.

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The Copenhagen Diagnosis similarly found that in addition to underestimating sea level rise, human CO2 emissions have tracked towards the highest IPCC scenarios.

What I'm seeing is that the IPCC presents a range of possibilities  and that the data is closest to their most extreme predictions. 

Out of these two papers I see some valid criticism but not a message of abject failure on the part of the IPCC. 
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 31, 2014, 12:51:08 AM
I think we have a significant task ahead of us.  One in which we have to replace almost all of our coal and most of our natural gas with low carbon generation.  We have to replace almost all of our vehicles with low carbon vehicles.

Over the next 35 years.

Over the next 35 years we will replace the majority of our existing coal plants with something.  Coal plants wear out.  Coal plants have an average lifespan in the US of 40 years.

Over the next 35 years well replace most of the cars on our roads with something.  Twice.

We need to replace consumer culture, and the thing that is driving it and other negative stuff.

Could you please fine tune your statement?

We need to replace our "consumer culture" with sustainable consumption.  It's not that we are consuming, but it's what we're consuming.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 31, 2014, 12:56:05 AM
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As Niels Bohr is reported to have said: "It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future."
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That's [how] I take forecasts that say that electric vehicles will be X% of total vehicles sold in 2040 or whatever. How good were we at projecting this stuff 25 years ago? Sometimes single events can make big changes. GM's decision to kill the EV1 and not pursue electric cars had a big impact. That Tesla didn't go bankrupt (they came very close) in 2009 and succeeded in launching the Model S also had a big impact. If they can get to the mass-market Model 3, that'll change things too. Add or remove any single thing and it's the butterfly effect, and in 25 years you might end up in a very different place. And I'm not even talking about things like oil prices, carbon taxes, etc. That's why forecasting is so hard.
http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/solar-power-forecasts-too-pessimistic-analysts-missed-59-past-4-years.html (http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/solar-power-forecasts-too-pessimistic-analysts-missed-59-past-4-years.html)

If we were adequately concerned about climate change we could get almost totally off fossil fuels for personal transportation in ten years.  With the technology we have in hand.  We need to invent nothing.

We are not concerned enough to make that switch.  We do not have any scientific bodies telling us that it is panic time.

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I fell it necessary to point out that I am not advocating slow movement off fossil fuels.
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Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Neven on December 31, 2014, 01:08:06 AM
Could you please fine tune your statement?

We need to replace our "consumer culture" with sustainable consumption.  It's not that we are consuming, but it's what we're consuming.

It's the quantities we are consuming, and the (generally bad) quality of these quantities, it's the constant ads, the invisible addictions, the needless travelling. I don't believe it is possible to greenify all of this. We need to make do with less, our (western) culture needs to change. For more reasons than just AGW.

I was in church for Christmas (my daughter sang in the choir for the occasion). They had heaters under the seats. My bum was hot. And then the priest asked for donations to pay for the heating. I almost committed blasphemy. Later I walked past a restaurant where they had this big heaters outside. They were on, but no one was sitting there.

Do we want to erect extra wind turbines for that? Or do we want to do the smart thing?

Yet another depressing Christmas has passed.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on December 31, 2014, 01:24:35 AM
I understand your sentiment, but the splendid idea of Cap & Jail (!) should have been implemented in the 1980s — while we were watching Dallas, Dynasty and the Royal Wedding in England — IMO to avoid the collapse that now seems inevitable.
viddaloo, in the eighties our favourite collapse & doom scenario was nuclear war - fighting the Pershings the doom felt like less than a decade away those days. Furthermore, we concentrated on acid rain (with very familiar discussions like denial of scientific background / doom scenarios for our cars industry vs. our nature) and later very successful fighting FCKW. Our parents did quite a good job since they won both fights. Now it is our time to win this fight.

Sounds really cozy and traditional: Each generation their fight! The plan has only one flaw: The timescale for avoiding civ & Biosphere collapse doesn't wait for a new generation to free itself from reality TV and computer games and then slowly realizing it probably should start doing something about the GHG situation. That timescale is pretty harsh and stubborn in that way. If it was on Facebook, it wouldn't get many likes. But as I said, those changes would have had to be made at the latest in the eighties. Not a half–century later, which is too late. Do I make myself clear?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: SATire on December 31, 2014, 01:39:09 AM
But as I said, those changes would have had to be made at the latest in the eighties. Not a half–century later, which is too late. Do I make myself clear?
Would have been nice if the necessary changes would have been done in the Eighties. They weren't. So they have to be done now. The effort is larger now, sure. But it is now the time for my generation to fix it or we are lost. Do I make myself clear, too?

That is strange, that so many people explain me here, that the problem should be solved some decades from now - you say some decades prior today and Bob tells me, that we have some decades left so we may sit back and let the market do some magic things. No - the time is now and the people to do it are we. Not our parents and not our children. Sorry.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on December 31, 2014, 01:49:57 AM
I hear you, but I think we are talking past each other. I am of the opinion that neither you or I can choose what decade would be the latest possible for turning this ship around to avoid disaster. It's not up for vote. And even if we did have a vote, which would be real silly, the 'world wouldn't listen', to quote the Smiths, meaning physical world climate systems wouldn't even care. I'm not making a moral judgement here, while you seem to say it's our moral 'responsibility'.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 31, 2014, 03:06:12 AM
Could you please fine tune your statement?

We need to replace our "consumer culture" with sustainable consumption.  It's not that we are consuming, but it's what we're consuming.

It's the quantities we are consuming, and the (generally bad) quality of these quantities, it's the constant ads, the invisible addictions, the needless travelling. I don't believe it is possible to greenify all of this. We need to make do with less, our (western) culture needs to change. For more reasons than just AGW.

I was in church for Christmas (my daughter sang in the choir for the occasion). They had heaters under the seats. My bum was hot. And then the priest asked for donations to pay for the heating. I almost committed blasphemy. Later I walked past a restaurant where they had this big heaters outside. They were on, but no one was sitting there.

Do we want to erect extra wind turbines for that? Or do we want to do the smart thing?

Yet another depressing Christmas has passed.

Yes, Nevin.

If we keep consuming large amounts of goods created from non-sustainable inputs we will run out of non-sustainable inputs.

Now.  Do we want to erect extra wind turbines so that we overheat your bum or allow people to sit out on the sidewalk on a cold day?

I'd say that after we've replaced fossil fuels with clean tech then if we want to expend some more energy, use sustainable inputs, and overheat our bums - so what?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 31, 2014, 03:10:57 AM
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Bob tells me, that we have some decades left so we may sit back and let the market do some magic things.

Holy friggin' bullsh!t

I have never said anything even slightly resembling that. 

I have consistently said that there's a chance that we can hit our targets with market forces alone.  But I've consistently said that the wise course it to hit the marks early and press onward.

Please do not make up stuff an attribute it to me.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: wili on December 31, 2014, 05:33:27 AM
These threads are being overcome by trolls. Please join me in not feeding the same. Thank you, and happy new year.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on December 31, 2014, 07:03:02 AM
Happy New Year to you, too, wili — and thank you for the last!

The Washington—Beijing Climate Axis (http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/How-the-US-China-Deal-Subverted-the-Lima-Climate-Talks-20141228-0019.html)

In the past, the US and China used each other’s intransigence as an excuse to avoid making cuts in their carbon emissions.  The world was becoming weary of this game, forcing the two to drop their pretense of opposing each other in favor of a show of cooperation.  With their climate agreement and the Lima Declaration that they played a central role in crafting, the two biggest emitters have set the parameters of global climate action.  These are parameters that all but ensure that the world will be on way to the 4 to 6 degrees centigrade plus world that will be our generation’s catastrophic legacy to our descendants.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Neven on December 31, 2014, 08:49:18 AM
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I'd say that after we've replaced fossil fuels with clean tech then if we want to expend some more energy, use sustainable inputs, and overheat our bums - so what?

But now, Bob, now. What is the smart thing to do now? Keep going with these wasteful lifestyles and making them green, or change the lifestyles and the culture that promotes them to make it easier to greenify them (never mind the discussion whether that's possible).

I know this is a rhetorical question. But part of the answer is that money and politics won't allow it to happen, as it is bad for GDP.

http://youtu.be/fxk9PW83VCY (http://youtu.be/fxk9PW83VCY)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 31, 2014, 09:44:01 AM
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I'd say that after we've replaced fossil fuels with clean tech then if we want to expend some more energy, use sustainable inputs, and overheat our bums - so what?

But now, Bob, now. What is the smart thing to do now? Keep going with these wasteful lifestyles and making them green, or change the lifestyles and the culture that promotes them to make it easier to greenify them (never mind the discussion whether that's possible).

I know this is a rhetorical question. But part of the answer is that money and politics won't allow it to happen, as it is bad for GDP.

http://youtu.be/fxk9PW83VCY (http://youtu.be/fxk9PW83VCY)

Neven, the quickest way for us to get climate change under control is to build dorms close to the places we work, hot bunk on 8 hour shifts, eat our meals out of a community kitchen with stoves run from methane from the sewage system.

We'd read books owned by the company library by daylight and sit and talk or play acoustical music in the dark after sundown if it wasn't our work or bed shift.

Now, try to talk people into living that sort of lifestyle.  I think you know you'd meet with a huge pile of fail.

We are most likely to succeed if we develop ways for people to continue their present lifestyles as much as possible in sustainable ways.

People will not have to change their TV watching or video game playing if we keep the functions/quality the same as we increase efficiency and power their devices with wind and solar.

People will not have to change their driving to work, the store, their friend's houses if we move them into EVs and power those EVs with wind and solar.

People can still have closets full of the latest fashions as long as we make those clothes out of sustainable materials (bamboo makes a wonderful cloth, BTW).

Yes, it would be easier to transition off fossil fuels if people would minimize their energy use, but surely you know that message falls on many deaf ears. 

Those of us who reduce, reuse, and recycle are doing our part but we aren't going to get everyone to join in. 

Pick a route that's likely to be successful. 
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: GeoffBeacon on December 31, 2014, 11:01:50 AM
ASLR

Thanks for the earlier reply. I hadn't seen that linked page before. It's very succinct. I like the quote from George P Shultz 
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It's not a tax if the government doesn't keep the money.
I am aware of Carbon Fee with Dividend from the Citizens Climate Lobby and mention it in the section "Taxes, fines, employment and growth" in the piece  "We need a green recession and full employment" http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/free-markets-poverty-and-equality-and-climate/ (http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/free-markets-poverty-and-equality-and-climate/)

Since fininshing the piece a few days ago, I have come to the provisional conclusion (OK, it's a bit of a guess) that piling on a carbon tax at the required rate will initially cause a contraction in total consumption because green consumption (plus green capital investment) cannot replace the necessary loss of polluting consumption quickly enough.  This means GWP (Gross World Product) would fall and cause unemployment.

I propose combining a carbon tax with VAT (a tax on consumption) and a tax rebate (to the employer) to make low-paid labour less expensive to employ. This supports employment in the low-paid section of the community.

However, if a carbon tax/fee/fine could succeed by itself that would be fine. The Citizens' Climate Lobby do make some of these points (e.g. pricing people into jobs) but they do not go as far as saying that we must actually reduce consumption.

As Neven earlier said "We need to replace consumer culture". It's best to do that without creating mass unemployment.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: SATire on December 31, 2014, 01:40:04 PM
I hear you, but I think we are talking past each other. I am of the opinion that neither you or I can choose what decade would be the latest possible for turning this ship around to avoid disaster. It's not up for vote. And even if we did have a vote, which would be real silly, the 'world wouldn't listen', to quote the Smiths, meaning physical world climate systems wouldn't even care. I'm not making a moral judgement here, while you seem to say it's our moral 'responsibility'.
Viddaloo, maybe we are talking past each other - I do similar things with Bob on a regular basis, too. So please ignore my comment about his opinion and replace that words by his own (however, for me those feel quite similar, however less black&white - that was my fault).

To come back to the obvious points - maybe those are so trivial that it is easy to assume something more behind it. No, it is that simple and trivial:

"physical world climate systems" care about what we do. We all know, that the systems care about each ton of CO2 we dump in the atmosphere. So the systems care if we proceed doing so and maybe would "forgive" a bit after we stop doing so.

Probably you are right assuming "you seem to say it's our moral 'responsibility'". But that is a very simple "moral" and not worth any meaningful philosophical discussion. What I was talking about is the same kind of "moral" even animals do perform: The same kind of responsibility mama bear would show if you are approaching her children. That is just the basic responsibility to survive. I can not see how anybody would not keep such basic "moral" responsibility seriously.

To get a bit more black&white again discussing the "fault" of our ancestors in the Eighties: They fought a problem, which seemed way more serious than global warming those days. And I think they would be right even today. To put it cynical: If we consider global warming to big a threat we can easily go back to the Eighties threat any time. It is just a push of a few buttons to substitute the warming by nuclear winter.

My simple conclusion is, that we have to fight the CO2 emission now. Just because our ancestors were fighting other threats and our children will also fight other threats (in case we are successful). I am tired of the ideological discussions how we can do that so I would leave that "how" to the different societies out there: Some rate liberty/freedom over justice/equity and others vice-versa. So I would suggest to ask for 1t/person/year "in average per society". If some societies like some of its individuals to go to work by private helicopters they will have to convince the others maybe to live in "dorms next to work" - just as they like. The only important thing is, that it will be done. The way - by forcing with money or jail or by education and effort may be the free choice. It is just my personal opinion that we could do it together with the 80% of people via our politics, producing the laws to limit CO2 emission and forcing the typical 20% of the stubborn people the hard way. In some kleptocracy it might be vice-versa - that is their free choice, if they accept that.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: viddaloo on December 31, 2014, 02:00:41 PM
My simple conclusion is, that we have to fight the CO2 emission now. Just because our ancestors were fighting other threats and our children will also fight other threats (in case we are successful).

SATire, with the risk of sounding like a sentimental partykiller on New Year's Eve, let me quote my all–time favourite poet — who to my knowledge is not an expert on climate change:

Quote from: Robert Smith
But it's too late, but it's too late

Apart from that, I admire your spirit, and I shared that and was just like you until I started researching this book for real. Believe me, I had no [tsk tsk] idea. But it's too late.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: SATire on December 31, 2014, 03:14:06 PM
The Cure wrote a book about climate change ???
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 31, 2014, 06:00:03 PM
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green consumption (plus green capital investment) cannot replace the necessary loss of polluting consumption quickly enough

Really?  We install large solar arrays on commercial buildings in a few days, large solar farms in less than a year.  Wind farms are built in less than two years, sometimes less than one.  Both solar and wind farms can be brought on line in "pieces", there's no need until the entire project is finished.  A wind turbine can be stood and brought on line in three days once the site work is completed.

If we institute a carbon price it won't go into effect overnight.  The energy industry will see it coming and start to adjust. 

We most likely wouldn't roll out a harsh price on carbon on day one, but phase it in over a few years.  Basing the rate on how fast the grid could adjust. 

Jobs would be created.  The money earned would slosh around the local economy and boost the overall economy.

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As Neven earlier said "We need to replace consumer culture". It's best to do that without creating mass unemployment.

How about showing us how to accomplish that?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on December 31, 2014, 06:05:51 PM
My simple conclusion is, that we have to fight the CO2 emission now. Just because our ancestors were fighting other threats and our children will also fight other threats (in case we are successful).

SATire, with the risk of sounding like a sentimental partykiller on New Year's Eve, let me quote my all–time favourite poet — who to my knowledge is not an expert on climate change:

Quote from: Robert Smith
But it's too late, but it's too late

Apart from that, I admire your spirit, and I shared that and was just like you until I started researching this book for real. Believe me, I had no [tsk tsk] idea. But it's too late.

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With optimism, you look upon the sunny side of things. People say, 'Studs, you're an optimist.' I never said I was an optimist. I have hope because what's the alternative to hope? Despair? If you have despair, you might as well put your head in the oven.
Studs Terkel

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 31, 2014, 08:12:52 PM
Happy New Year to you, too, wili — and thank you for the last!

The Washington—Beijing Climate Axis (http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/How-the-US-China-Deal-Subverted-the-Lima-Climate-Talks-20141228-0019.html)

In the past, the US and China used each other’s intransigence as an excuse to avoid making cuts in their carbon emissions.  The world was becoming weary of this game, forcing the two to drop their pretense of opposing each other in favor of a show of cooperation.  With their climate agreement and the Lima Declaration that they played a central role in crafting, the two biggest emitters have set the parameters of global climate action.  These are parameters that all but ensure that the world will be on way to the 4 to 6 degrees centigrade plus world that will be our generation’s catastrophic legacy to our descendants.
Wrong.

8 December 2014:
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These new, post-2020 announcements by the EU, USA, and China are more ambitious than their previous (2020) commitments. The effect of these new announcements is between 0.2 and 0.4 degrees lower warming than in earlier assessments of global ambition, reducing the projected warming to 2.9-3.1°C....
http://climateactiontracker.org/news/178/China-US-and-EU-post-2020-plans-reduce-projected-warming.html (http://climateactiontracker.org/news/178/China-US-and-EU-post-2020-plans-reduce-projected-warming.html)


(Sorry.  Food for the troll was too close at hand not to throw.)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 31, 2014, 08:20:31 PM
Now, some more positive news:
Voices and Votes Against Fracking Rang Out and Racked Up in 2014
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Hundreds of cities, towns and counties in 25 states have passed measures regulating or banning fracking, according to data collected by Food & Water Watch, a watchdog organization based in Washington, D.C.

New York authorities announced a statewide fracking ban earlier this month, saying the controversial process could contaminate the state's air and water and pose public-health risks.
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Bills are pending to reclassify oilfield waste as hazardous and to ban fracking on federally owned public land—a longshot in the face of a Republican takeover of Congress in January.
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20141231/voices-and-votes-against-fracking-rang-out-and-racked-2014 (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20141231/voices-and-votes-against-fracking-rang-out-and-racked-2014)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 31, 2014, 08:29:34 PM
2014 had some of the most destructive weather yet -- and some of the biggest climate action ever.  Both will increase in 2015.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/12/climate_desk_video_the_year_in_climate_change_news_reviewed.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/12/climate_desk_video_the_year_in_climate_change_news_reviewed.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on December 31, 2014, 08:43:34 PM
However, if a carbon tax/fee/fine could succeed by itself that would be fine. The Citizens' Climate Lobby do make some of these points (e.g. pricing people into jobs) but they do not go as far as saying that we must actually reduce consumption.

As Neven earlier said "We need to replace consumer culture". It's best to do that without creating mass unemployment.

Geoff,

As the Carbon Fee & Dividend program is progressive (that is the fees keep increasing until the problem is solved), even without regulating people to consume less fossil fuel supported commodities, the high fees would encourage then to spend their dividends on sustainable commodities.
Best,
ASLR
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Neven on January 01, 2015, 10:43:40 PM
How about showing us how to accomplish that?

It only works if enough people are willing to do something new that goes against the way they have been conditioned. I know plenty of people who'd be willing to do such a thing in principle, but they're afraid to alienate themselves by not doing the same as the herd. Or they're basically a prisoner of the system, due to things like debt and (hidden) addictions.

So how do you get enough people to take the step? Perhaps by showing them there is such a thing as limits to growth, that we are bumping into these limits, and that every bumping into every limit is a systemic thing. That you can't respect the limits if you don't change the system. You show the limits, you show the bumping, you show that how the system is set up, is causing all of that.

And then you show the alternative. By living it.

I find it extremely difficult because it takes a lifetime (of hard work and alienation) and might be completely useless in the grand scheme of things, but it is what I'm trying to do.

Happy New Year to all.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on January 01, 2015, 11:07:59 PM
How about showing us how to accomplish that?

It only works if enough people are willing to do something new that goes against the way they have been conditioned. I know plenty of people who'd be willing to do such a thing in principle, but they're afraid to alienate themselves by not doing the same as the herd. Or they're basically a prisoner of the system, due to things like debt and (hidden) addictions.

So how do you get enough people to take the step? Perhaps by showing them there is such a thing as limits to growth, that we are bumping into these limits, and that every bumping into every limit is a systemic thing. That you can't respect the limits if you don't change the system. You show the limits, you show the bumping, you show that how the system is set up, is causing all of that.

And then you show the alternative. By living it.

I find it extremely difficult because it takes a lifetime (of hard work and alienation) and might be completely useless in the grand scheme of things, but it is what I'm trying to do.

Happy New Year to all.

We have been explaining that to people for decades.

Some of us have been living the lifestyle for decades.

That is not sufficient.  If it hasn't worked over the last half century why might one expect it would suddenly start working?

We must get pretty much everyone on board.  How do we do that, in your opinion? 
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Neven on January 01, 2015, 11:24:00 PM
We have been explaining that to people for decades.

Some of us have been living the lifestyle for decades.

That is not sufficient.  If it hasn't worked over the last half century why might one expect it would suddenly start working?

We must get pretty much everyone on board.  How do we do that, in your opinion?

Well, the theory is that it becomes clearer and clearer that we are bumping into limits. The theory of the last half century is becoming practice. But you're right, how to make people conscious of that and the underlying process causing the bumping?

On the other hand, I don't think that fighting symptoms will stop the bumping. Which is why I understand that some people believe it is all hopeless. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on January 01, 2015, 11:38:41 PM
We will be damned if we don't do something other than preaching and complaining.  We'd be taking a huge chance were we to wait until climate change becomes extremely obvious to all.  Not just climate change, but climate change pain.

How about we accept the fact that a very large portion of humankind will continue to live for the near gain and do little to nothing to avoid the big pain further off?  Do we need to look further than cigarette/other drug addiction and obesity?

I'm now going to repeat myself.

Our best chance of avoiding severe climate change is to find ways to let people continue their present lifestyles pretty much as they are while getting GHG emissions under control.

We replace fossil fuels with renewable energy and notice no change on our grids.  Prices will likely fall a bit.

We replace the internal combustion engine with electric motors.  The cost of driving a mile will drop considerably and people won't have to stand around outside filling their tanks.  Or go to the car shop for maintenance/repairs as often.

We replace fossil fuel heating with more efficient buildings, heat pumps, and geothermal heating.  House become more comfortable and cheaper to heat.


Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: wili on January 02, 2015, 12:29:15 AM
Neven wrote:
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...And then you show the alternative. By living it.

I find it extremely difficult because it takes a lifetime (of hard work and alienation) and might be completely useless in the grand scheme of things, but it is what I'm trying to do.

Happy New Year to all.

Thanks, neven, for this and for all you do here. I join you in wishing all good New Year.

I think we have to get a bit out of our comfort zones and go beyond "living it" to inviting others to start moving toward living it, too. Anderson and others have said that we need to reduce our impact by about 10 percent per year, every year for the foreseeable future.

This year, my daughter and I are going to move passed our current (mostly for me) vegetarianism to becoming (mostly) vegan. I plan to share this with relatives and friends (yes, partly through face book), in hopes to get them to share things they might do that would significantly decrease their impact and/or move the political process along.

I invite those who wish to to do the same. (Neven, if you think I should dedicate a separate thread to do this, please let me know.)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 03, 2015, 02:44:46 PM
How do you fight back against Big Industry?  In the courts.
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By caving to industry pressures, environmental regulatory agencies are failing to uphold their obligation to future generations, declared Mary Christina Wood, the author pushing a new legal framework to fight global warming, on the final episode of Moyers & Company.

Wood, a University of Oregon law professor who wrote Nature's Trust: Environmental Law for a New Ecological Age (2013; Cambridge University Press), advocates an idea called "atmospheric trust litigation," which takes the fate of the Earth into the courts, arguing that the planet’s atmosphere—its air, water, land, plants, and animals—are the responsibility of government, held in its trust to insure the survival of all generations to come.

"The heart of the approach is the public trust doctrine," she told her host, longtime journalist and political commentator Bill Moyers. "And it says that government is a trustee of the resources that support our public welfare and survival. And so a trust means that one entity or person manages a certain wealth, an endowment, so to speak, for the benefit of others. And in the case of the public trust, the beneficiaries are the present and future generations of citizens."

The theory underpins lawsuits filed by Our Children's Trust, which ask for the courts to order state and local governments and agencies to act more aggressively to bring down carbon emissions.

"If this nation relies on a stable climate system, and the very habitability of this nation and all of the liberties of young people and their survival interests are at stake the courts need to force the agencies and the legislatures to simply do their job," Wood explained.

Environmental laws passed in the 1970s "held a lot of promise" decades ago, she said but they've lost what little power they once possessed. Wood continued:

Americans thought they had solved the problem by getting these laws passed. What they didn't realize was that industries got inside the agencies through various means, through campaign contributions, through pressure on the system over and over again. And so one thing we have to keep in mind is we're nearing the end of our resources. And there are laws of nature that we have to comply with.

And those laws are supreme. And they determine whether we will survive on this planet. And they will determine the future conditions for our children. And so right now, our environmental laws are out of whack with the laws of nature. They are allowing destruction, whereas they should be structuring society to create a balance with the natural systems that support our lives.

And Wood disagreed with those who argue that climate change is a political issue to be dealt with outside the courts.

"Climate is not just an environmental issue," she said. "This is a civilizational issue. This is the biggest case that courts will get in terms of the potential harm in front of them, the population affected by that harm, and in terms of the urgency. Climate is mind-blowing. It can't be categorized any longer as an environmental issue."
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/01/02/citing-next-generations-lawsuits-demand-courts-recognize-mind-blowing-climate (http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/01/02/citing-next-generations-lawsuits-demand-courts-recognize-mind-blowing-climate)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 03, 2015, 07:16:36 PM
India's Modi raises solar investment target to $100 billion by 2022
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Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi... now wants companies from China, Japan, Germany and the United States to lead investments of $100 billion over seven years to boost India's solar energy capacity by 33 times to 100,000 megawatts (MW)....
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Solar energy in India costs up to 50 percent more than power from sources like coal. But the government expects the rising efficiency and falling cost of solar panels, cheaper capital and increasing thermal tariffs to close the gap within three years.
http://www.trust.org/item/20150102093115-7z2da/ (http://www.trust.org/item/20150102093115-7z2da/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 05, 2015, 05:17:32 PM
Cross-posted from Oil and Gas Issues thread:

Starting the global fuel-subsidy dump!

Indonesia slashes $18 billion from its fuel subsidy system, doubles spending on transportation, agriculture and public works.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-05/indonesia-doubling-transport-budget-with-10-billion-fuel-saving.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-05/indonesia-doubling-transport-budget-with-10-billion-fuel-saving.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 06, 2015, 02:33:48 AM
The U.S. Senate's most vocal advocate of climate change action continues his work.  He's given 83 speeches in the Senate on the topic and has proposed a carbon fee and dividend plan.
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Whitehouse has formed an unlikely energy alliance with U.S. Sen. Joe Manchin, a conservative Democrat from West Virginia. Manchin visited Rhode Island in October to see the effect of climate change firsthand and Whitehouse toured coal and energy resources in West Virginia. They plan to work on crafting legislation to invest in technology for cleaner fossil fuel energy.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLIMATE_CHANGE_SENATOR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLIMATE_CHANGE_SENATOR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 06, 2015, 04:33:57 AM
Newly re-elected Governor Jerry Brown dives right into furthering California's climate action.
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California, as it does in many areas, must show the way,” he said before introducing three specific goals:
- increase electricity derived from renewable sources from one-third to 50 percent,
- reduce vehicles’ petroleum use by up to 50 percent, and
- double the efficiency of existing buildings while making heating fuels cleaner.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/05/jerry-brown-inauguration_n_6418962.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/05/jerry-brown-inauguration_n_6418962.html)


Transcript of his speech:
http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-brown-speech-text-20150105-story.html#page=1 (http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-brown-speech-text-20150105-story.html#page=1)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 10, 2015, 02:02:29 AM
China’s highest court announced Wednesday that it will reduce the cost of litigation for environmental groups seeking to sue companies or individuals that pollute the country’s air, land, and water.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/08/3609360/china-reduce-court-fees-for-environment-lawsuits/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/08/3609360/china-reduce-court-fees-for-environment-lawsuits/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 10, 2015, 05:22:23 PM
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The Environmental Protection Agency is delaying its landmark climate regulations for power plants in what it said is an effort to better consider input on them and better align the major pieces of the regulations.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/228783-epa-delays-climate-rule (http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/228783-epa-delays-climate-rule)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 11, 2015, 02:33:47 PM
U.S. EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy on climate change: “The scary thing is doing nothing”

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"Inaction is very expensive."
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"I do know human nature when you all do is talk to them about how dire something is – there’s two ways to handle it – it’s a fight or flight issue.  We’ve been facing that for 20 years, it’s gotten us nowhere."

"I don’t want people to be scared. In fact, I’m trying to make them not scared. The scary thing is doing nothing. Recognizing and acting is what will keep them safe.  I think that the fact that they’re already facing impacts has changed the dynamic considerably.  People understand that things have changed. Once you embrace the problem, the solutions are there."
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"If we do this right, what people will see as a result of our actions is a more prosperous economy, a healthier economy, and healthier communities – better air quality. We’re going to have stronger economies so it’s not like I’m trying to get people to take medicine that tastes bad.  I’m simply trying to get them to recognize that what we were doing in the past and the technologies of the past are not the way to a healthy future, period."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/01/09/epa-chief-on-climate-change-the-scary-thing-is-doing-nothing/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/01/09/epa-chief-on-climate-change-the-scary-thing-is-doing-nothing/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 12, 2015, 02:33:16 PM
Saw much the same sentiment on "Real Money with Ali Velshi."  Republicans must push through the KXL pipeline bill to pay back their big fossil fuel donors.  But if it's vetoed and they can't override (which looks likely at this point) -- oh well, not a big deal, they've done their bidding.

"Yes, approving the pipeline would mobilize some money that would otherwise have sat idle, and in so doing create some jobs — 42,000 during the construction phase, according to the most widely cited estimate. (Once completed, the pipeline would employ only a few dozen workers.) But government spending on roads, bridges and schools would do the same thing."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/12/opinion/paul-krugman-for-the-love-of-carbon.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/12/opinion/paul-krugman-for-the-love-of-carbon.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 13, 2015, 03:04:53 AM
  Lots of yipping about U.S. officials not being in Paris this week, but I think a saving-the-planet climate deal might be a bit more important.  Secretary Kerry et. al. have been in India doing serious work on an India-U.S. climate deal, in time for President Obama's visit later this month. 
  Remember the U.S.-China agreement?  That took months of quiet, behind-the-scenes negotiations, too.
http://grist.org/politics/the-u-s-and-india-keep-pushing-toward-a-climate-deal/ (http://grist.org/politics/the-u-s-and-india-keep-pushing-toward-a-climate-deal/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 13, 2015, 03:11:06 PM
U.S.:  Moderate Republicans believe in climate change. There just aren’t many moderate Republicans.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/01/12/moderate-republicans-believe-in-climate-change-but-there-arent-many-moderate-republicans/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/01/12/moderate-republicans-believe-in-climate-change-but-there-arent-many-moderate-republicans/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 13, 2015, 05:16:45 PM
Senator Elizabeth Warren: the Keystone pipeline bill is "for Canadian companies and lobbyists."  Brief video.

@ClimateReality: "It’s not about jobs. It’s not about energy. Why is this bill so urgent? The answer is money." -@SenWarren http://t.co/UnPE0uG8oh (http://t.co/UnPE0uG8oh) #NoKXL
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Laurent on January 13, 2015, 10:00:05 PM
Climate denier Ted Cruz will oversee Nasa – what could possibly go wrong?
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2015/jan/13/climate-denier-ted-cruz-will-oversee-nasa-what-could-possibly-go-wrong (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2015/jan/13/climate-denier-ted-cruz-will-oversee-nasa-what-could-possibly-go-wrong)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 14, 2015, 07:05:39 PM
The world is STILL subsidizing the fossil fuel industry.  This money could certainly be better spent elsewhere.
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The ODI said there was a tension between the objectives of energy security and climate protection.

However, the report said renewables were a better bet. It claimed every US dollar spent on renewable energy subsidies attracted $2.5 (£1.50) in investment, while a dollar in fossil fuel subsidies drew $1.3 (82p) of investment.
...
"Five years ago, G20 governments pledged to phase out fossil fuel subsidies and take action to limit climate change. Immediately ending exploration subsidies is the clearest next step on both fronts," he said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29985382 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29985382)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 14, 2015, 07:13:53 PM
World Economic Forum meeting in Davos will stress how to address climate change.
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The positioning of climate, development and economic growth as competing agendas during these crucial heads of state meetings in 2015 will not serve the world well. Instead, and with this year’s agenda in mind, the Annual Meeting in Davos is positioned to help political, business and non-governmental leaders discuss and cement the new context for addressing climate change, development and growth together, and as a result get set for success in 2015
https://agenda.weforum.org/2015/01/davos-2015-climate-change-development-and-growth/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 17, 2015, 01:55:31 AM
"Obviously, optimal mitigation policy depends heavily on how we answer this question. Do you try harder to cool people down or to make them richer?"
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In a sense, this restates what we already know: Rich countries could do all right with slow mitigation because they are relatively robust in the face of climate impacts, but it would be devastating to poor countries. Aggressive mitigation is justified because of the threat to poor countries. (This tells you a lot about the politics of the issue.)

OK, that’s what you need to know: that there is good reason, outside contested questions of “raw moralism,” to think that the models we use to assess the social cost of carbon are considerably understating it. “We estimate that the social cost of carbon is not $37, as previously estimated [by the EPA and others],” Moore and Diaz say, “but $220.”
http://grist.org/climate-energy/how-much-is-climate-change-going-to-cost-us/ (http://grist.org/climate-energy/how-much-is-climate-change-going-to-cost-us/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 17, 2015, 02:03:09 AM
About the above article:

@ClimateOfGavin: Brilliant!
Econo-narcissism: idea that values embedded in econ models are objective/scientific, while alt values are touchy-feely moralism.

@GernotWagner: @ClimateOfGavin isn't that the bane of all science? What you don't/can't measure doesn't exist. Makes recognizing tail risks so important.

@noeldarlow: @ClimateOfGavin @drgrist Econ models driving us to disaster until they include factors for environment/sustainability and humanity/equality.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 17, 2015, 02:38:55 AM
Scientists: Human activity has pushed Earth beyond four of nine ‘planetary boundaries’
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There’s a lot of emotion involved in this. If you think about it, the American ethic is, ‘The sky’s the limit.’ And here you have people coming on and saying, no it isn’t, the Earth’s the limit,” she said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/scientists-human-activity-has-pushed-earth-beyond-four-of-nine-planetary-boundaries/2015/01/15/f52b61b6-9b5e-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/scientists-human-activity-has-pushed-earth-beyond-four-of-nine-planetary-boundaries/2015/01/15/f52b61b6-9b5e-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Neven on January 17, 2015, 08:09:37 AM
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There’s a lot of emotion involved in this. If you think about it, the American ethic is, ‘The sky’s the limit.’ And here you have people coming on and saying, no it isn’t, the Earth’s the limit,” she said.

This is a huge psychological hurdle. I see it often when I propose that people shouldn't be allowed to own more than X million dollars/euros, or more than X acres of land (except farmers). People go nuts over that. I think this kind of thinking is conditioned.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Lennart van der Linde on January 17, 2015, 09:33:09 AM
I think this kind of thinking is conditioned.

Yes, in dogmatic economics classes/thinking and thru marketing/commercials, pushing people to always go for more, more, more. Whereas we usually still teach children to be more moderate and not eat all the candy at once. Or was that a long time ago?

I'm 43, my daughter is almost 5. When she'll be 43, all the candy will be pretty much gone, unless we quickly manage to make our economy a lot more moderate.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: JimD on January 17, 2015, 08:27:19 PM
Re: Oil/gas subsidies

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Energy subsidies are measures that keep prices for consumers below market levels or for producers above market levels, or reduce costs for consumers and producers.[citation needed] Energy subsidies may be direct cash transfers to producers, consumers, or related bodies, as well as indirect support mechanisms, such as tax exemptions and rebates, price controls, trade restrictions, and limits on market access. They may also include energy conservation subsidies.[citation needed] The development of today's major modern energy industries have all relied on substantial subsidy support.

Fossil fuel subsidies reached $90 billion in the OECD and over $500 billion globally in 2011.[1] Renewable energy subsidies reached $88 billion in 2011.[2] According to Fatih Birol, Chief Economist at the International Energy Agency without a phasing out of fossil fuel subsidies, we will not reach our climate targets.[3]

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Allocation of subsidies in the United States

A 2011 study by the consulting firm Management Information Services, Inc. (MISI)[20] estimated the total historical federal subsidies for various energy sources over the years 1950–2010. The study found that oil, natural gas, and coal received $369 billion, $121 billion, and $104 billion (2010 dollars), respectively, or 70% of total energy subsidies over that period. Oil, natural gas, and coal benefited most from percentage depletion allowances and other tax-based subsidies, but oil also benefited heavily from regulatory subsidies such as exemptions from price controls and higher-than-average rates of return allowed on oil pipelines. The MISI report found that non-hydro renewable energy (primarily wind and solar) benefited from $74 billion in federal subsidies, or 9% of the total, largely in the form of tax policy and direct federal expenditures on research and development (R&D). Nuclear power benefited from $73 billion in federal subsidies, 9% of the total, largely in the form of R&D, while hydro power received $90 billion in federal subsidies, 12% of the total.

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The three largest fossil fuel subsidies were:

Foreign tax credit ($15.3 billion)
Credit for production of non-conventional fuels ($14.1 billion)
Oil and Gas exploration and development expensing ($7.1 billion)

The three largest renewable fuel subsidies were:

Alcohol Credit for Fuel Excise Tax ($11.6 billion)
Renewable Electricity Production Credit ($5.2 billion)
Corn-Based Ethanol ($5.0 billion)

So about 75% of the renewable went to corn based alcohol?? 

Oh well.  Interesting I guess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies#Allocation_of_subsidies_in_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies#Allocation_of_subsidies_in_the_United_States)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 20, 2015, 07:32:56 PM
Excellent question.  Although they do have a history of voting for money for their own states, while not voting for money for others (i.e., Superstorm Sandy relief).
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Will Republicans provide the funds to deal with emergencies that extreme weather events will cause in the next two years while they are controlling Congress and to a large extent the fate of the nation? I don’t think so. Adaptation and mitigation will be ignored. The red states stand to lose the most as tornadoes wreak havoc in Tornado Alley. People there may be left to their own devices as Republicans in Congress, climate change deniers all, will also not be very charitable in putting up funds to assist those who have experienced weather related extreme events.
http://sandiegofreepress.org/2015/01/extreme-weather-watch-2014-hottest-year-on-record/ (http://sandiegofreepress.org/2015/01/extreme-weather-watch-2014-hottest-year-on-record/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 21, 2015, 12:57:39 AM
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Nordea Asset Management is set to blacklist around 40 coal mining companies from its investment portfolio, as the company joins a growing trend of investors cutting their exposure to fossil fuel assets.

Nordea is the largest Nordic fund manager with $228bn of assets, making it one of the largest firms to date to take steps to exclude carbon-intensive assets from its portfolio.
http://m.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2390893/report-nordea-asset-management-plans-to-ditch-coal-investments (http://m.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2390893/report-nordea-asset-management-plans-to-ditch-coal-investments)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 21, 2015, 03:49:31 PM
Good review of President Obama's remarks on energy and climate change from his State of the Union speech last night.

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20150121/defiant-obama-asserts-climate-agenda-firmness-and-mockery (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20150121/defiant-obama-asserts-climate-agenda-firmness-and-mockery)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 21, 2015, 04:14:42 PM
Investors urge big oil to face up to climate risk

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Companies, organisations and governments that continue to play down these fears are showing themselves to be increasingly out of touch.
http://tcktcktck.org/2015/01/investors-urge-big-oil-face-climate-risk/66099 (http://tcktcktck.org/2015/01/investors-urge-big-oil-face-climate-risk/66099)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 22, 2015, 12:19:41 AM
The U.S. Senate just voted that climate change is real! -- but not that humans are causing it. ::)

http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/jim-inhofe-ted-cruz-and-marco-rubio-just-voted-to-say-climate-change-is-real-20150121 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/jim-inhofe-ted-cruz-and-marco-rubio-just-voted-to-say-climate-change-is-real-20150121)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 22, 2015, 12:29:19 AM
"Enhanced" apparently meaning: "Made it sound better to Republicans."

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The official website for House Republicans has posted on YouTube a version of President Obama’s State of the Union address which cuts out comments where the President was critical of Republican rhetoric on climate change, ThinkProgress has learned.

In the website’s “enhanced webcast” of the State of the Union speech, President Obama’s comments criticizing Republicans for saying they are “not scientists” when it comes to climate change are erased.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/21/3613732/you-cant-handle-the-truth/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/21/3613732/you-cant-handle-the-truth/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 22, 2015, 07:10:16 PM
Louisiana struggles to preserve its vanishing coastline against the fossil fuel industry the state depends on.
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A 2006 study by the U.S, Geological Survey and Gas Research Institute concluded that 36 percent of the wetland loss was directly caused by the oil and gas companies’ activity. As the state and its people wrestle with the impacts of this grave problem, an unprecedented court case is pitting the independent state agency responsible for protecting Louisianians from floods against the dozens of fossil fuel companies whose decades of largely unchecked extraction activities have put the state’s vital wetland ecosystem on life support.
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Don Briggs, the President of the Louisiana Oil and Gas Association, declined ThinkProgress’ request for an interview, but in a statement warned: “The negative impact of this suit will continue to be felt across the state as fewer dollars will be invested into our state economy, fewer rigs will be present, and in turn, fewer revenue dollars will be contributed to our state budget.”

The industry also has the full backing of Louisiana’s governor, newest senator and legislature, which passed a bill this summer attempting to kill the lawsuit. Governor Jindal, who has received generous donations from the oil and gas industry during his time in office, has blasted the lawsuit as “frivolous” and made attempts to appoint levee board members more favorable to corporate interests.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/21/3611980/louisiana-coast-lawsuit/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/21/3611980/louisiana-coast-lawsuit/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 22, 2015, 07:26:58 PM
States have a new ally in their search to figure out how they’ll reduce emissions under the Environmental Protection Agency’s climate change targets.
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A new initiative launched Wednesday by Bloomberg Philanthropies and the Heising-Simons family will help states come up with plans for emissions reductions that meet the standards of the Clean Power Plan, which was proposed in June and is currently being finalized by the Environmental Protection Agency. States will have flexibility in figuring out how to meet the targets, and the new initiative, dubbed the Clean Energy Initiative, will provide technical help for about 12 or so states that want to develop ambitious plans.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/21/3613702/how-to-emissions-cutting-guide/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/21/3613702/how-to-emissions-cutting-guide/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: JimD on January 22, 2015, 10:19:14 PM
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2015/01/22/3454107_senate-not-ready-to-tie-climate.html?rh=1 (http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2015/01/22/3454107_senate-not-ready-to-tie-climate.html?rh=1)

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WASHINGTON — The Senate rejected the scientific consensus that humans are causing climate change, days after NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration declared 2014 the hottest year ever recorded on Earth.

The Republican-controlled Senate defeated a measure Wednesday stating that climate change is real and that human activity significantly contributes to it.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on January 23, 2015, 01:50:59 AM
It looks like the EU's quantitative easing will stimulate consumption not only in Europe but also in their major trading partners (like the USA):

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/22/us-markets-stocks-idUSKBN0KV18D20150122 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/22/us-markets-stocks-idUSKBN0KV18D20150122)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: johnm33 on January 23, 2015, 01:45:05 PM
QE money goes into the banking sector, and stays there, it props up/inflates  asset bubbles and transfers the risk to the ECB and national central banks[= taxpayer]. None of this helps the 'real' economy in any way, and nor is it meant to. A more direct way to help the real economy would be to extend this free money issuance to every citizen by offering them money on the same terms as the banks 1% or zero%. Just print it out at a cost of .1% and allow all citizens to borrow the same amount, with the proviso that if they already have debt then the money must be used to pay that down first.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 23, 2015, 08:51:02 PM
Obama Moves to Bring Order to Groups Dealing with Arctic Warming
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20150122/obama-moves-bring-order-groups-dealing-arctic-warming (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20150122/obama-moves-bring-order-groups-dealing-arctic-warming)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 24, 2015, 02:03:53 AM
Does he or doesn't he?  Mitt Romney considers running for president (again), with a mixed message on climate change.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/mitt-romney-has-been-talking-a-lot-about-climate-change-lately-20150122 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/mitt-romney-has-been-talking-a-lot-about-climate-change-lately-20150122)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 24, 2015, 03:14:31 PM
Bill Gates Expects Historic Improvement in Lives of Poor
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Bill and Melinda Gates, along with Buffett, helped found the Giving Pledge, which asks billionaires to give the bulk of their wealth to charity. More than 120 have committed, including Facebook Inc. CEO Mark Zuckerberg and Tesla Motors Inc. founder Elon Musk.

Bill Gates predicted in the previous annual letter that by 2035 almost no country will be as poor as the 35 nations the World Bank classified as low-income as of 2014. He and Melinda Gates sought to puncture what they called myths about poverty, including the ideas that foreign aid is a waste and that saving lives leads to overpopulation.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-22/bill-gates-expects-historic-improvement-in-lives-of-poor.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-22/bill-gates-expects-historic-improvement-in-lives-of-poor.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 24, 2015, 05:10:16 PM
@billmckibben: Fossil free indexes handily outperformed the S&P last year. Just saying.
http://fossilfreeindexes.com/2015/01/20/thoughts-2014-performance-ffius/ (http://fossilfreeindexes.com/2015/01/20/thoughts-2014-performance-ffius/)

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In the year just ended, the Fossil Free Indexes US (FFIUS) outperformed the S&P 500 by about 1.5%. This is a strikingly large number, when you consider that less than 10% of the market capitalization of the S&P 500 is in companies that are part of The Carbon Underground 200 (CU200) and, therefore, excluded from the FFIUS.
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It is important to realize that it doesn’t matter (so much) how the quantities demanded and supplied get out of balance. We can infer from this year’s price volatility that future policy moves to reduce demand for fossil fuels can induce a dramatic reduction in the value of underground reserves.

The take-away from the 2014 outperformance by the FFIUS is not that it will be expected to outperform the S&P 500 every year. It won’t. The take-away is that the potential cost of ignoring stranded asset risk has been demonstrated to be substantial.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Shared Humanity on January 26, 2015, 02:05:14 AM
2016 Republican president hopeful...

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/01/rick-santorum-course-do-nothing-about (http://crooksandliars.com/2015/01/rick-santorum-course-do-nothing-about)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 26, 2015, 02:28:51 PM
"Inequality" was a hot topic at The World Economic Forum in Davos.  The super rich are planning to run away and hide. 

http://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2015/jan/23/nervous-super-rich-planning-escapes-davos-2015 (http://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2015/jan/23/nervous-super-rich-planning-escapes-davos-2015)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 26, 2015, 03:22:10 PM
Good op-ed on overpopulation in the LA Times:

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Sensitive subject or not, the reality is that unsustainable human population growth is a potential disaster for efforts to cut greenhouse gas emissions. These days, the biggest population growth is occurring in developing nations, which is why any discussion must be sensitive to the perception that well-off, industrialized nations — the biggest climate polluters, often with majority-white populations — might be telling impoverished people of color to reduce their numbers. In fact, person for person, reducing birth rates in industrialized nations has a bigger impact on greenhouse gas emissions because affluent people use more of the Earth's resources and depend more heavily on fossil fuels.

In other words, population is not just a Third World issue. More than a third of the births in the United States are the result of unintended pregnancies, and this month the United Nations raised its prediction of population growth by the year 2050 because of unforeseen, rising birth rates in industrialized nations. So even though the highest rates of population growth are in the poorest and least educated countries — Africa's population is expected to triple by the end of the century — any attempt to address the issue will have to target the industrialized world as well.
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But they and other nations need assistance on two fronts: education for girls and access to free or affordable family-planning services. The benefit of even minimal education is startling: Women in developing countries who have had a year or more of schooling give birth to an average of three children; with no schooling, the number is 4.5. Add more years of schooling and the number of births drops further. Women who have attended school also give birth later in life to healthier children.

The analysis by the Center for Global Development says that access to family planning and girls' education — even a little of it — are among the most cost-effective strategies for combating climate change.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-population-and-climate-change-20150125-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-population-and-climate-change-20150125-story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 26, 2015, 08:53:50 PM
EPA Chief: Weather, Climate Scientists’ Work Is ‘Essential’
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While there are still segments of the population, including myriad politicians, who haven’t accepted the scientific consensus on climate change, “I can’t worry about that,” McCarthy said. Her focus is on the increasing proportion of the public and business community that realize the scope of the problem posed by warming and are looking for action to avoid economic costs in the future.
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"I cannot tell you how important it is for you” to keep connecting the dots of climate change, she said, and to communicate it in a way that, in a self-deprecating nod, “even people dense enough to work in government” can understand.
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/epa-chief-tells-weather-climate-scientists-work-is-essential-18513 (http://www.climatecentral.org/news/epa-chief-tells-weather-climate-scientists-work-is-essential-18513)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 27, 2015, 02:40:30 PM
Bill McKibben writes about Al Gore, global climate warrior.
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And what was interesting was how. Instead of just dutifully repeating the old hits, his message on warming has changed. It’s now defiant and optimistic: The old energy system is doomed, as he wrote in Rolling Stone last summer. The falling cost of solar panels will ultimately sabotage fossil fuels. “The forward journey for human civilization will be difficult and dangerous, but it is now clear that we will ultimately prevail.”

This message is poison to the Exxons of the world; it’s a clever undercutting of their argument that burning ever more coal and gas and oil is inevitable, that the world has no choice. It’s a message delivered at the highest levels (Gore is always there in places like Davos where the 1% have to listen) and at the broadest: Live Earth, set for June 18, will be more about harmony than dissonance, but it will reach wide swaths of the planet, reinforcing the message that change is coming and that it’s cool.
http://grist.org/climate-energy/al-gore-is-still-kicking-butt-as-a-climate-warrior/ (http://grist.org/climate-energy/al-gore-is-still-kicking-butt-as-a-climate-warrior/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 27, 2015, 09:41:29 PM
 The “all of the above” credo that once dominated thinking on energy is steadily morphing into “anything but coal.”
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Indian energy minister, Piyush Goyal, says $250 billion needs to be spent across the power sector. More than $100 billion will go directly on renewables, another $50 billion will go on transmission and distribution, and just $60-$70 billion on stalled and new thermal projects (coal).

http://tcktcktck.org/2015/01/giles-parkinson-india-us-agree-coal-not-answer/66189 (http://tcktcktck.org/2015/01/giles-parkinson-india-us-agree-coal-not-answer/66189)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: GeoffBeacon on January 28, 2015, 03:12:33 PM
Rejoice! Rejoice!

The Global Calculator (sponsored by the UK's Department of Energy and Climate Change) says

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This report uses four example pathways to show that it is possible for the world to continue to develop and for us to limit climate change to 2°C. However, for economic development to continue to improve people's lives without dangerous climate change, we must transform the technologies and fuels we use, and make smarter use of our limited land resources.
http://globalcalculator.org/insights (http://globalcalculator.org/insights)

So why do we worry?

Has anyone got the energy to examine the underlying code (It is open source) but I might get suicidal - although I will try an force myself to read the "Global Calculator caveats paper"

http://uncached-site.globalcalculator.org/sites/default/files/Global%20Calculator%20caveats%20paper.pdf (http://uncached-site.globalcalculator.org/sites/default/files/Global%20Calculator%20caveats%20paper.pdf)

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 28, 2015, 03:27:53 PM
How well are companies protecting their supply chains and sustainability? Overall, the US lags behind most of the countries studied -- and yet, most of the best-prepared in this study are based in the US.
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January 27, 2015: Lack of preparation currently leaves supply chains in Brazil, China, India and the United States more vulnerable to climate risks than those in Europe and Japan. However, suppliers in China and India deliver the greatest financial return on investment to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and demonstrate the strongest appetite for collaboration across the value chain. This according to research released today by CDP, the international NGO formerly called Carbon Disclosure Project, and Accenture (NYSE:ACN).
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"While climate and water risks are apparent, the implications for businesses and economies reliant on complex supply chain models are less understood," says Paul Simpson, chief executive officer, CDP. "That multinationals are engaging with thousands of suppliers to better manage environmental challenges and opportunities is encouraging. These companies are catalyzing progress in response to global problems."
https://www.cdp.net/en-US/News/CDP%20News%20Article%20Pages/Suppliers-in-USA-Brazil-China-India-least-resilient.aspx (https://www.cdp.net/en-US/News/CDP%20News%20Article%20Pages/Suppliers-in-USA-Brazil-China-India-least-resilient.aspx)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: JimD on January 29, 2015, 04:47:09 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jan/22/us-senate-man-climate-change-global-warming-hoax (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jan/22/us-senate-man-climate-change-global-warming-hoax)

US Senate refuses to accept humanity's role in global climate change, again

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The Senate voted virtually unanimously that climate change is occurring and not, as some Republicans have said, a hoax – but it defeated two measures attributing its causes to human activity.

Only one Senator, Roger Wicker, a Republican from Mississippi, voted against a resolution declaring climate change was real and not – as his fellow Republican, Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma once famous declared – a hoax. That measure passed 98 to one.


White House unveils plan to open Atlantic waters to offshore oil drilling
 Read more
But the Senate voted down two measures that attributed climate change to human activity – and that is far more important......

But the Senate has acknowledged the existence of climate change before and, as long ago as 2005, voted to affirm that human activity was its driver.

Since 2005, there has been an entire decade of accumulating evidence in real-time of the effects of climate change – and its threat in the future.

“We are worse off than 2005,” said Robert Brulle, a sociologist at Drexel University who writes about the climate denial movement. “The resolution saying that anthropogenic climate change is real and we need to act passed in 2005, and failed in 2015,” he said in an email. “A similar resolution failed today. 10 years, more certain science, less political will.”

So???............
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 01, 2015, 04:03:58 PM
Stunning election results in Australia! 
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The rout of the Liberal National Party in the Queensland election is being described as "catastrophic" by federal Coalition MPs, with some claiming the Prime Minister is now terminally wounded.

All we are talking about now is the timing and method of execution," one Queensland MP said.

"This is catastrophic, unimaginable," said another.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-01/lnp-rout-leaves-abbott-terminally-wounded/6060126 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-01/lnp-rout-leaves-abbott-terminally-wounded/6060126)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 03, 2015, 01:06:41 AM
Australia:
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The landmark Queensland state election on Saturday is likely to introduce a new Labor-led government elected with the key policy framework of “Saving the Great Barrier Reef”. The ALP has committed to remove state subsidies for the Galilee coal and associated rail projects, ban reef dumping and to ensure no dredging is undertaken at Abbot Point prior to financial close on any project.
https://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/2/2/policy-politics/can-adanis-coal-mine-survive-without-newman (https://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/2/2/policy-politics/can-adanis-coal-mine-survive-without-newman)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 03, 2015, 01:09:22 AM
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President Barack Obama's fiscal 2016 budget proposes $7.4 billion to fund clean energy technologies and a $4 billion fund to encourage U.S. states to make faster and deeper cuts to emissions from power plants, officials told Reuters.

Obama's budget, which will be published later on Monday, also calls for the permanent extension of the Production Tax Credit, used by the wind industry, and the Investment Tax Credit, used by the solar industry, the officials said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/02/us-usa-budget-energy-idUSKBN0L60AF20150202 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/02/us-usa-budget-energy-idUSKBN0L60AF20150202)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 03, 2015, 01:52:33 AM
More details of Obama's climate plan budget
http://insideclimatenews.org/carbon-copy/20150202/obamas-budget-reveals-depth-and-breadth-his-climate-agenda (http://insideclimatenews.org/carbon-copy/20150202/obamas-budget-reveals-depth-and-breadth-his-climate-agenda)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 03, 2015, 01:58:09 AM
Obama's plan provides millions of dollars for out of work coal miners.
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Kentucky Gov. Steven Beshear praised the President’s proposed plan.

“With Appalachia experiencing job loss due to a steady decline in the mining sector, our region is especially supportive of the POWER+ Plan and the substantial investment it represents in building a more diversified economy, promoting entrepreneurship, and creating new jobs for our citizens,” he said in a statement. “We look forward to its approval by Congress and implementation in the coming months.”
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/02/02/3618103/power-plus-plan-for-coal-miners/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/02/02/3618103/power-plus-plan-for-coal-miners/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 04, 2015, 06:20:41 PM
Report by large coalition of medical groups cites climate change as “the biggest global health threat of the 21st century," and urges divestment similar to that done with the tobacco industry.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/04/health-sector-should-divest-from-fossil-fuels-medical-groups-say (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/04/health-sector-should-divest-from-fossil-fuels-medical-groups-say)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 04, 2015, 09:11:31 PM
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Over the past weekend, a poll was released indicating that Americans have conclusively rejected climate denial and understand the reality of climate change. ...

In a finding that could have implications for the 2016 presidential campaign, the poll also found that two-thirds of Americans said they were more likely to vote for political candidates who campaign on fighting climate change. They were less likely to vote for candidates who questioned or denied the science that determined that humans caused global warming.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-cohen/the-defeat-of-climate-den_b_6593832.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-cohen/the-defeat-of-climate-den_b_6593832.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 06, 2015, 11:14:40 PM
California Zen Leaders Urge Gov. Brown to Ban Fracking; big climate march on Feb 7.
http://350.org/fracking-isnt-zen/ (http://350.org/fracking-isnt-zen/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 09, 2015, 02:13:34 PM
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The University of Sydney has revealed its plans to begin divesting from heavy-polluting and fossil fuel companies, in an effort to cut the carbon footprint of its investment portfolio by 20 per cent in three years.

The partial divestment plan, released by the University on Monday, brings it in line with a growing number of tertiary, religious and other organisations around the world that have divested over $50 billion in fossil fuel stocks for reasons both environmental and economic – that is, their business models are incompatible with the pledge by the world’s governments to tackle global warming.
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2015/sydney-uni-to-divest-from-fossil-fuels-as-global-momentum-builds-79951 (http://reneweconomy.com.au/2015/sydney-uni-to-divest-from-fossil-fuels-as-global-momentum-builds-79951)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 10, 2015, 01:53:34 AM
Green Climate Bonds are popular, but need better certification.
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Until recently, only a few organizations or governments, including the World Bank, the American state of Massachusetts, and the French region of Île de France, issued green bonds, and generally the amounts involved were modest. But in the past two years, other players have entered the market, and volumes have skyrocketed. In 2014, emissions of green bonds exceeded the total in all previous years combined.

Indeed, demand is outstripping supply. The latest bond offers were all oversubscribed – and the trend is likely to continue. The insurance industry has committed to double its green investments, to $84 billion, by the end of 2015. And in September, three major pension funds from North America and Europe announced plans to increase their holdings in low-carbon investments by more than $31 billion by 2020.
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/development-banks-finance-climate-change-by-anne-paugam-2015-02 (http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/development-banks-finance-climate-change-by-anne-paugam-2015-02)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 10, 2015, 02:19:06 AM
Bloomberg:  Pope Francis is one of the most skilled politicians on earth.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-08/pope-francis-is-one-of-the-most-skilled-politicians-on-earth (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-08/pope-francis-is-one-of-the-most-skilled-politicians-on-earth)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 10, 2015, 03:13:13 AM
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A growing number of institutions are committing to divest from fossil fuels. This page lists the commitments from colleges and universities, cities, counties, religious institutions, and other institutions. You can click on each name for more information about the type of commitment they’re making.
http://gofossilfree.org/commitments/ (http://gofossilfree.org/commitments/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 10, 2015, 02:00:36 PM
Obama: Let's not build new federal projects in areas at risk for flooding.
GOP:  !?#%!

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The president’s order requires that new federal projects must be built at least two feet above the highest level that floodwaters are projected to reach in a 100-year period. It also mandates that any crucial infrastructure, such as a hospital, must be built an additional foot higher or built to the 500-year floodplain.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/02/09/256050/gop-challenges-obama-over-flood.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/02/09/256050/gop-challenges-obama-over-flood.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 11, 2015, 04:08:34 AM
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Apple Inc. is investing $848 million in a solar farm to harvest electricity in a partnership with First Solar Inc.

Apple will receive power from 130 megawatts of First Solar’s California Flats Solar Project in Monterey County, California, under a 25-year power-purchase agreement, the companies said in a statement on Tuesday.
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The iPhone maker already powers all of its data centers with renewable energy. Tim Cook, Apple’s chief executive officer, has advocated taking more steps to combat climate change. He unveiled the initiative during a presentation at the Goldman Sachs Technology and Internet Conference in San Francisco. The agreement is the largest in the solar industry for a single commercial customer, he said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-10/apple-seals-850-million-solar-electricity-deal-with-first-solar (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-10/apple-seals-850-million-solar-electricity-deal-with-first-solar)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 11, 2015, 02:51:22 PM
White House: Climate Change Threatens More Americans Than Terrorism
http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/white-house-climate-change-threatens-more-americans-than-terrorism-20150210 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/white-house-climate-change-threatens-more-americans-than-terrorism-20150210)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 11, 2015, 04:08:45 PM
2015 Could Be The Year Canada Elects A Prime Minister Who Actually Cares About Climate
Or, Stephen Harper could be re-elected.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/02/10/3621509/canadas-next-prime-ministers-environmental-views/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/02/10/3621509/canadas-next-prime-ministers-environmental-views/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 11, 2015, 10:04:32 PM
California Senate bill to force two state pensions funds – largest in US – to ditch coal is part of effort to generate 50% of power from wind and solar and halve gasoline use

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/10/california-pension-funds-coal-divestment-call-climate-change (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/10/california-pension-funds-coal-divestment-call-climate-change)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 14, 2015, 12:02:31 AM
February 13-14:  Global Divestment Day.  Scenes from around the world.
http://gofossilfree.org/divestment-day/ (http://gofossilfree.org/divestment-day/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 14, 2015, 12:21:33 AM
Divestment Push Has More Small Investors Wanting Fossil-Free Portfolios
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Investors are particularly interested in so-called green bonds, which are issued much like the kinds of bonds that finance government infrastructure projects. The funds raised by the sale of green bonds, however, are earmarked for things like solar power facilities, energy-saving retrofits and commuter rail projects.

In 2014, investors worldwide snapped up $36.6 billion in climate-related bonds, more than triple the 2013 total of $11 billion, according to Sean Kidney, chief executive officer of the Climate Bond Initiative (CBI), a non-profit venture focused on steering part of the massive global bond market toward climate solutions. He thinks the market could nearly triple again this year to $100 billion.
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/13022015/divestment-push-has-more-small-investors-wanting-fossil-free-portfolios (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/13022015/divestment-push-has-more-small-investors-wanting-fossil-free-portfolios)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 15, 2015, 02:13:21 AM
On Monday, Democratic lawmakers in California unveiled a package of four bills that aim to tackle climate change in the state. 
"One of the bills, SB 350, calls for a 50 percent reduction in petroleum use in cars and trucks, a 50 percent increase in energy efficiency in buildings, and a goal of 50 percent of state utilities’ power coming from renewable energy, all by 2030."
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/02/11/3621740/california-climate-legislation/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/02/11/3621740/california-climate-legislation/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 15, 2015, 03:16:07 PM
@insideclimate: Britain's three main parties pledge to end coal burning for electricity in UK, unless it uses #CCS.
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The move will be noticed by the UK's European partners working towards a global agreement on climate change at the UN conference in Paris in December. Some of them had been nervous that the UK might soften its leadership position in the talks, given the level of climate scepticism expressed by some newspapers and Conservative backbenchers.

The statement will also please investors who have been deterred from sinking money into renewable energy systems because they feared a withdrawal from climate policies.

It has been brokered by Matthew Spencer of the think tank Green Alliance, who He told BBC News: "The purpose is to create space for the current and future PM to ensure that the UK can play a full role in securing a good outcome in Paris.

He added that another aim was "to reassure investors that agreement remains strong across current leaders on emissions reduction, and that we're unlikely to see a major change in direction whichever party forms the next government".
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31456161 (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31456161)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 17, 2015, 01:32:16 AM
The chairman of parliament’s energy and climate change committee has joined those warning the fossil fuel industry to take the threat of stranded assets seriously.
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Investors are starting to think by 2030 the world will be in such a panic about climate change that either by law or by price it will be very hard to burn fossil fuels on anything like the scale we are doing at the moment.”
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There may well be national [carbon] performance standards. There may well be caps everywhere. We now have a nuclear non-proliferation treaty, we may have then a coa-fired power station non-proliferation treaty and you can monitor these things externally.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/15/fossil-fuel-industry-must-take-stranded-assets-seriously-say-tim-yeo (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/15/fossil-fuel-industry-must-take-stranded-assets-seriously-say-tim-yeo)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 17, 2015, 03:17:58 PM
States shoot themselves in the foot, rather than (horrors!) be seen working with the EPA to address carbon emissions.
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If a state does not submit a plan or submits one that fails to meet the EPA’s requirements, then the federal agency must formulate a plan of its own for the state.
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/17022015/coal-states-building-wall-red-tape-resist-epas-clean-power-plan (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/17022015/coal-states-building-wall-red-tape-resist-epas-clean-power-plan)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 18, 2015, 08:24:50 PM
Naomi Klein on how to build a more kick-ass climate movement
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My hope is that the labor movement, the anti-cuts movement, the climate movement will really come together in a coherent demand for a just transition away from fossil fuels, using [the oil] price shock as the catalyst.

Because climate change is never going to be that shock. We think it is, that if we scare people enough, then that will shock them. There’s this great group in the Bay Area called Movement Generation that we work with at 350, an amazing group of thinkers and theorists, and they have this presentation that they do called “Shock, Slide, Shift.” It’s about how you have these punctuated shocks and these long slides. A disaster is a shock. Climate change is a slide. Our mission is to harness the shocks and the slides to win the shifts that we want. We’re in a slide, we just got a shock, and now we need to fight for the shift.
http://grist.org/climate-energy/naomi-klein-on-how-to-build-a-more-kick-ass-climate-movement/ (http://grist.org/climate-energy/naomi-klein-on-how-to-build-a-more-kick-ass-climate-movement/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 18, 2015, 10:17:07 PM
Oil exec to UK energy secretary:  I'm confused.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/18/fossil-fuel-industry-protests-over-risky-assets-warning-from-energy-secretary (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/18/fossil-fuel-industry-protests-over-risky-assets-warning-from-energy-secretary)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 19, 2015, 03:34:59 PM
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Citigroup announced on Wednesday a commitment to lend, invest and facilitate $100 billion over the next 10 years to fund activities that mitigate the impacts of climate change.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/233067-citi-unveils-100b-program-to-fight-climate-change (http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/233067-citi-unveils-100b-program-to-fight-climate-change)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 19, 2015, 10:13:25 PM
Author of Ohio Supreme Court decision ruling towns cannot ban fracking has received contributions from fossil fuel interests.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/02/19/3624553/ohio-supreme-court-fracking-ban-ruling/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/02/19/3624553/ohio-supreme-court-fracking-ban-ruling/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 20, 2015, 09:06:41 PM
Illinois Lawmakers Introduce Far-Reaching Clean Energy Bill With Bipartisan Support
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On Thursday, lawmakers in Illinois introduced legislation that would dramatically improve energy efficiency, bolster the state’s Renewable Portfolio Standard, and create a market-based strategy for cutting carbon emissions. Endorsed by the newly-formed Illinois Clean Jobs Coalition, a broad swath of 26 organizations and 33 businesses, the bill’s supporters also state that the law would create around 32,000 clean energy jobs per year.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/02/20/3625138/illinois-clean-energy-bill/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/02/20/3625138/illinois-clean-energy-bill/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 22, 2015, 07:53:41 PM
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Senator Edward J. Markey is calling on coal and oil companies to reveal whether they are funding scientific climate change studies
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2015/02/22/senator-edward-markey-investigate-energy-companies-climate-science-funding/Ex1QsGTBrCYRYlZTmruunO/story.html (http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2015/02/22/senator-edward-markey-investigate-energy-companies-climate-science-funding/Ex1QsGTBrCYRYlZTmruunO/story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 23, 2015, 04:50:34 PM
Obama's climate change wonk
EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy is in the forefront of President Obama’s climate change agenda, but don’t call her a politician.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/barack-obamas-gina-mccarthy-climate-change-wonk-115372.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/barack-obamas-gina-mccarthy-climate-change-wonk-115372.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 23, 2015, 08:57:34 PM
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Deutsche Bank today announced its intention to invest EUR 1 billion into a portfolio of high quality liquid assets in the form of Green Bonds. These will be held as part of the Bank’s Liquidity Reserve investments. Deutsche Bank has already made EUR 200 million in eligible Green Bond investments and plans for this portfolio to reach EUR 1 billion.

Green Bonds are fixed income instruments which finance environmentally sustainable projects while offering competitive returns. By establishing this portfolio, Deutsche Bank aims to support the development of the Green Bond segment. Deutsche Bank is one of the founding members of the Green Bond Principles which establish voluntary guidelines for transparency and disclosure for the benefit of both issuers and investors.
https://www.db.com/medien/en/content/5060_5123.htm (https://www.db.com/medien/en/content/5060_5123.htm)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 28, 2015, 12:16:19 AM
After Senator James Inhofe trolled the entire Senate with his snowball on Thursday, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse stepped up to the mic with his fact snowplow to clear away the mess.
"You can believe NASA.  Or you can believe the senator with the snowball."
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/02/senator-whitehouse-rips-senator-snowball (http://crooksandliars.com/2015/02/senator-whitehouse-rips-senator-snowball)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 01, 2015, 09:43:48 PM
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Last week the nation’s top nutrition advisory panel unveiled 500-odd pages of advice for the federal agencies tasked with writing the nation’s dietary guidelines. Tucked among the usual recommendations—eat more fruit, vegetables, and whole grains; eat less fat, salt, and sugar—were a few small coffee- and egg-themed surprises and one giant green one. Americans, the panel said, should consider the environment when deciding what to eat and what not to
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/the_climate_case_against_meat_u_s_nutrition_panel_suggests_americans_eat.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/the_climate_case_against_meat_u_s_nutrition_panel_suggests_americans_eat.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 02, 2015, 02:49:58 PM
The "I Heart Climate Scientists" Facebook post says of the linked item, "Washington Post editorial calls Senator Inhofe's climate denial & snowball antics a 'national embarrassment.'"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-snowballs-chance/2015/03/01/46e9e00e-bec8-11e4-bdfa-b8e8f594e6ee_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-snowballs-chance/2015/03/01/46e9e00e-bec8-11e4-bdfa-b8e8f594e6ee_story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 03, 2015, 01:17:26 AM
Oslo divests $7million from coal – – the first capital city to do so.
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“The year of 2015 is important, both because this is the year when we need to come together globally and secure a path towards a carbon free society, but in Norway we’re also having local elections, and if there’s any time for local leaders to show what future they want – this is the time. 

The fact that Oslo is now divesting from coal is a victory for our hard work, and sends a strong signal to the government that is currently reviewing the investments of the national oil fund. We will regard it as poor leadership if the government choose to take a less powerful stand than Oslo when deciding their own strategy for a sustainable future.”
http://gofossilfree.org/oslo-divests-from-coal-the-first-capital-city-to-do-so/ (http://gofossilfree.org/oslo-divests-from-coal-the-first-capital-city-to-do-so/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 04, 2015, 07:18:09 PM
Money and Politics -- and Religion! -- as Climate Change drivers

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This summer, Pope Francis will issue a papal encyclical on the environment. In a year of unparalleled importance for climate change because of key UN meetings in Paris this December, his timing couldn't be better.
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What's an Encyclical?

The two previous popes wrote extensively on environmental concerns. Pope Francis himself has referred to climate change in numerous speeches. But a papal encyclical, one of the highest forms of Catholic teaching, is different. By addressing these concerns in this format, undiluted by other concerns, the Pope makes the topic unavoidable for Catholics globally.

Once the encyclical is released, it will be shared throughout the Roman Catholic Church and incorporated into the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the foundational document for the moral formation of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics. The Church will have a high-status statement that engages the entire Catholic community on climate change, putting the environment squarely on the church's agenda for the foreseeable future.

Good for Non-Catholics Too

An essential document for Roman Catholics, the encyclical will also be influential for other Christians and people of all faiths and good will. When the encyclical makes headlines, diverse faith leaders globally will want to highlight their own traditions' eco-teachings.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-lawrence-troster/getting-behind-pope-francis-on-climate-change_b_6780052.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-lawrence-troster/getting-behind-pope-francis-on-climate-change_b_6780052.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 05, 2015, 09:54:35 PM
A well-reasoned article on the financial advantages of divestment.
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If we agree that climate change is a huge threat that society will act on, then it necessarily follows that divestment will occur to limit losses, that fossil fuel company prices will drop substantially and that institutions with these stocks in their portfolios will experience large losses.
http://daily.swarthmore.edu/2015/03/05/the-financial-advantages-of-divestment/ (http://daily.swarthmore.edu/2015/03/05/the-financial-advantages-of-divestment/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 06, 2015, 03:13:28 AM
The USDA is helping farmers install clean energy and improve their energy efficiency.
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More than $280 million will be provided through the Rural Energy for America Program (REAP) in the form of grants and loans that can be used to install renewable energy sources such as solar panels, wind turbines, hydroelectric projects as well as improve heating and cooling efficiency and upgrading windows and insulation.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/05/3630185/rural-renewable-energy-program/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/05/3630185/rural-renewable-energy-program/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 09, 2015, 03:31:11 PM
Very strong editorial in the New York Times this morning regarding global warming and Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/opinion/a-reckless-call-from-the-senates-leader.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/opinion/a-reckless-call-from-the-senates-leader.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 11, 2015, 07:17:59 PM
Over twenty thousand climate change protesters march in London.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/07/time-to-act-climate-change-protest-london (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/07/time-to-act-climate-change-protest-london)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 11, 2015, 07:23:18 PM
Koch Industries refuses to comply with Democrats' probe into fossil fuel money in climate science.
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In January, the political machine backed by the brothers told allies that spending across its conservative network would approach $1 billion ahead of 2016's elections.

That sum from Freedom Partners would dwarf expected spending from official GOP committees and many of the hopefuls expected to seek the Republican party's presidential nomination in 2016.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/295835161.html (http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/295835161.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 11, 2015, 08:52:48 PM
UN Green Climate Fund eyes crowdfunding as a source.
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The UN’s flagship climate finance body is considering a crowdfunding platform to boost its ability to back a wide range of projects in developing countries, documents show.

Green Climate Fund officials argue this approach could help drive investment to small-scale low-emission and climate-resilient projects, in a series of papers released last week.

“There is great potential in crowdfunding to complement traditional sources of finance and to channel and mobilize individual contributions into climate-sensitive investments,” they say.

“The use of such a platform can mobilize resources from individuals and organisations that are looking for innovative investment opportunities.”

http://www.rtcc.org/2015/03/10/green-climate-fund-looks-to-crowdfunding-for-cash-boost/#.dpuf (http://www.rtcc.org/2015/03/10/green-climate-fund-looks-to-crowdfunding-for-cash-boost/#.dpuf)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 11, 2015, 09:23:03 PM
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Hawaii is on track to pass legislation this year requiring the state to go 100 percent renewable by 2040.

Earlier this month, committees in the Hawaii House and Senate both unanimously recommended bills that would raise the state’s Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) from the current target of 70 percent by 2030 to the ultimate goal of 100 percent by 2040. Hawaii has had an RPS since 2001, and right now the state gets just over 21 percent of its power from renewable sources — a 12 percent increase in just six years.

This is huge for our state’s future.

“Even our utility is saying we can hit 65 percent by 2030, so 100 percent is definitely doable,” Sen. Mike Gabbard (D), sponsor of the Senate bill, SB 2181, and chair of Hawaii’s Energy and Environment Committee, told ThinkProgress. “This is huge for our state’s future. Each year, we spend $3 to $5 billion importing fossil fuels to power our economy. Our electricity bills are roughly three times the national average.”
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As recently six years ago, more than 90 percent of Hawaii’s yearly electricity generation came from coal and oil. With renewable technologies rapidly advancing, Hawaii’s abundant solar, wind, hydro, and geothermal sources are moving in quickly as replacements for costly fossil fuels.

“We are on the leading edge of the 21st century renewable energy transformation,” Chris Lee (D), Sponsor of the House version of the bill, HB 623, and chair of the House Energy and Environment Committee, told ThinkProgress. Lee said he’s been pushing for a 100 percent RPS bill for three years, but that this is the first year there’s been overwhelming support to move forward.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/11/3631791/hawaii-ready-for-100-percent-renewable-energy/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/11/3631791/hawaii-ready-for-100-percent-renewable-energy/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 12, 2015, 12:43:05 AM
London's mayor Boris Johnson told to divest £4.8bn pension fund from fossil fuels.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/11/london-assembly-votes-to-divest-48bn-pension-fund-from-fossil-fuel (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/11/london-assembly-votes-to-divest-48bn-pension-fund-from-fossil-fuel)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 12, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Institutional investors want action regarding climate change financing leading up to the Paris agreement.
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For these investors the ideal final agreement in December would ensure not only public financing for climate-friendly projects around the world but the ramp-up of government mechanisms like co-investing and derisking to encourage the private sector to get involved. Steps toward establishing carbon pricing in various markets would help provide the certainty that many investors seek to decarbonize their portfolios.
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“Public finance needs to derisk; it needs to coinvest; it needs to absorb some volatility in the energy and emission reductions domains,” he says. Fabian thinks the dollar amounts contributed by individual countries will be less important than the wording around how that capital encourages private investment.

ERAFP’s Desfossés stresses that investors like his fund would be eager to allocate to low-carbon infrastructure such as upgrades to the energy grid if government policy made it easier. Until last month ERAFP wasn’t even allowed to invest in infrastructure funds, he notes. “We have a unique opportunity to fix this now.”
http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/3434922/banking-and-capital-markets-corporations/climate-change-talks-could-pave-the-way-for-private-investment.html (http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/3434922/banking-and-capital-markets-corporations/climate-change-talks-could-pave-the-way-for-private-investment.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 15, 2015, 06:32:43 PM
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The Obama Administration has announced plans to nearly triple the size of two major marine sanctuaries off the coast of Northern California.
... Extending north of San Francisco’s iconic Golden Gate Bridge, the sanctuaries will now be permanently off-limits to drilling.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/14/3633852/california-gets-major-new-marine-haven/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/14/3633852/california-gets-major-new-marine-haven/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jai mitchell on March 15, 2015, 08:40:49 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/15/3630404/nasa-hottest-12-months-record/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/15/3630404/nasa-hottest-12-months-record/)

I don't believe that this pattern is a coincidence of natural forces.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 16, 2015, 09:14:37 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/15/3630404/nasa-hottest-12-months-record/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/15/3630404/nasa-hottest-12-months-record/)

I don't believe that this pattern is a coincidence of natural forces.

Yes, it's clear Big Oil bought off the Arctic Freezer Doorman, in order to keep Washington in denial of global warming for one more winter.  :(
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 17, 2015, 12:23:51 AM
In an open letter to Shell’s Ben Van Beurden, the UK’s former top climate envoy says now is the time for Shell to show leadership.
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Stop frustrating ambition.

Talk to us about how you will play your part in a 2C transition.

Tell us the inspirational story of that transition, backed by your knowledge and experience. The electrification of vehicles and heating; the decarbonization of electricity; new frontiers in efficiency. A new golden age of energy.

And don’t tell us through crocodile tears that this will all take a long time. Tell us what you will do to hasten it, and what you need from government to do it faster.

Come clean on your 2C carbon risk, and get out of investments that would increase it.

Stop pretending that gas is part of the answer to climate change, rather than a necessary stage in a transition to be kept as short as possible. Stop pretending that gas will always crowd out coal rather than renewables, that it won’t blur the political focus we need on efficiency.

http://www.rtcc.org/2015/03/16/shells-climate-change-strategy-narcissistic-paranoid-and-psychopathic/#.dpuf (http://www.rtcc.org/2015/03/16/shells-climate-change-strategy-narcissistic-paranoid-and-psychopathic/#.dpuf)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 17, 2015, 12:33:18 AM
Michigan governor sets 30-40% renewables, energy efficiency by 2025 goal.  Important message from a Republican governor of a heavily coal-dependent state.
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"If you look at the greenest sources of energy, which would be waste reduction and renewables, by 2025 between 30% of our energy and 40% of our energy can come from the cleanest sources, which are renewables and elimination of our energy waste," he said.
http://www.platts.com/latest-news/electric-power/louisville-kentucky/michigan-governor-sets-30-40-renewables-energy-21142610 (http://www.platts.com/latest-news/electric-power/louisville-kentucky/michigan-governor-sets-30-40-renewables-energy-21142610)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 17, 2015, 05:07:28 PM
Fossil fuel divestment campaign calls on Gates Foundation and Wellcome Trust to remove combined $70 billion from threatening industries.
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Having reached the mainstream with new backing from the United Nations, the global fossil fuel divestment campaign continues to gain momentum. On Monday, the Guardian news agency launched a campaign calling on the world's two largest charitable foundations, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the Wellcome Trust, to follow the lead of the Rockefeller Foundation and nearly 200 other prominent universities and institutions by divesting their holdings from the fossil fuel industry.
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/03/16/guardian-publicly-challenges-worlds-largest-foundations-divest (http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/03/16/guardian-publicly-challenges-worlds-largest-foundations-divest)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 19, 2015, 03:40:51 PM
Warren Buffett on climate change: Friend or foe?

Berkshire Hathaway invests heavily in renewables -- but also in coal.  Analysts note that Warren Buffett does not call the shots on his coal-heavy investments.  But shareholders, state regulations and climate change disasters may soon force his hand.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102515844 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/102515844)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 19, 2015, 09:11:56 PM
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President Obama signed an executive order Thursday to cut the federal government’s greenhouse gas emissions 40 percent over the next decade.

The effort will save taxpayers as much as $18 billion due to energy savings, the White House said.
...
Obama will also push federal agencies to get 30 percent of their power from renewable sources like wind and solar energy. Several major federal contractors and suppliers are announcing emissions reduction goals of their own.
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Taken together, the actions will be the equivalent of taking 5.5 million average cars off the road for a year, saving 26 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions in carbon dioxide-equivalent terms, according to the administration. The reduction goal is based on a 2008 starting point.

As the top energy consumer in the nation, the federal government’s actions can make a huge dent. They can also represent a major part of Obama’s goal of reducing the United States’s total greenhouse gas emissions 26 percent to 28 percent by 2030, compared with 2005 levels.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/236249-obama-to-seek-40-cut-in-federal-greenhouse-gases (http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/236249-obama-to-seek-40-cut-in-federal-greenhouse-gases)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Shared Humanity on March 20, 2015, 07:25:11 PM
A welcome  development...

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/18032015/fema-states-no-climate-planning-no-money (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/18032015/fema-states-no-climate-planning-no-money)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 20, 2015, 08:56:44 PM
U.S. Secretaries Ernest Moniz, Gina McCarthy, and Denise Turner Roth: "Leading by Example on Climate Change: Our New Federal Sustainability Plan"
https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/03/19/leading-example-climate-change-our-new-federal-sustainability-plan (https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/03/19/leading-example-climate-change-our-new-federal-sustainability-plan)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on March 21, 2015, 03:54:18 PM
The linked article states that beginning next year states will need to have a climate change plan if they are going to receive disaster preparedness funds from FEMA.  This will put pressure on states with denalist governors like Scott, Jindal and Christie:

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/18032015/fema-states-no-climate-planning-no-money (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/18032015/fema-states-no-climate-planning-no-money)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 21, 2015, 11:39:17 PM
The linked article states that beginning next year states will need to have a climate change plan if they are going to receive disaster preparedness funds from FEMA.  This will put pressure on states with denalist governors like Scott, Jindal and Christie:

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/18032015/fema-states-no-climate-planning-no-money (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/18032015/fema-states-no-climate-planning-no-money)

FEMA to deniers:  Gotcha!

Money and politics!   :)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 24, 2015, 12:52:46 AM
A sign pro-fossil-fuel ALEC is too extreme for even the fossil fuel companies?

Oil Giant BP Drops Membership With ALEC
The oil-and-gas super company is just the latest big firm to leave the conservative group in recent months.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/major-oil-giant-bp-drops-membership-with-alec-20150323 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/major-oil-giant-bp-drops-membership-with-alec-20150323)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 24, 2015, 08:43:16 PM
Senator Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) today introduced legislation that:
✓Repeals medical device excise tax
✓Ends tax-breaks for Big Oil
✓Closes free oil, gas drilling loophole
http://www.markey.senate.gov/news/press-releases/senator-markey-introduces-legislation-to-repeal-medical-device-tax (http://www.markey.senate.gov/news/press-releases/senator-markey-introduces-legislation-to-repeal-medical-device-tax)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 25, 2015, 04:59:34 PM
Protests surround Japan's "climate financing" of coal plants in India and Bangladesh that will use Japanese technology.
http://www.startribune.com/world/297498831.html (http://www.startribune.com/world/297498831.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 27, 2015, 12:54:08 AM
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Leaders and representatives of 30 European cities will gather in Paris on Thursday to declare their commitment to “clean” policies to fight climate change.

Officials will also sign a declaration agreeing to use their collective purchasing power – estimated at around €10bn (£7.4bn) a year – to buy eco-friendly.
...
The summit comes a week after Paris was declared the most polluted city on the planet after a choking cloud almost obscured its most symbolic monuments including the Eiffel Tower and left the city of light looking more like the capital of smog.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/26/leaders-of-european-cities-make-pledge-to-tackle-climate-change (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/26/leaders-of-european-cities-make-pledge-to-tackle-climate-change)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 27, 2015, 07:59:18 PM
LA Times Commentary: I'm twentysomething, I vote, and I won't take seriously any candidate who doubts climate change.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0327-cubelic-youth-vote-climate-change-20150327-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0327-cubelic-youth-vote-climate-change-20150327-story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 28, 2015, 06:04:40 PM
Well, this is encouraging.   :D

@latimesopinion: Some readers complained we didn't run pro-Ted Cruz letters in today's paper. Before deadline yesterday, we didn't get any
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 31, 2015, 09:18:13 PM
@billmckibben: Holy Mackerel--Syracuse [University] just divested from fossil fuels! Such love to the students who sat in for 18 days! http://t.co/DTc77J33OD (http://t.co/DTc77J33OD) Go Orange!

http://dailyorange.com/2015/03/syracuse-university-announces-it-will-divest-from-fossil-fuels (http://dailyorange.com/2015/03/syracuse-university-announces-it-will-divest-from-fossil-fuels)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 31, 2015, 09:43:01 PM
Limiting climate change could have huge economic benefits, study finds
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Our industries must face the challenge of massive decarbonisation,” said Sharan Burrow, the International Trade Union Confederation’s secretary-general.

“We have the technology and there are millions of jobs possible from the necessary investment and millions more saved if we avoid the devastation of extreme climate change. There are no jobs on a dead planet.”
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/31/limiting-climate-change-economic-benefits-study-finds (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/31/limiting-climate-change-economic-benefits-study-finds#img-1)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 01, 2015, 06:55:21 PM
The Guardian Media Group is getting out of fossil fuel investments.
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As the world’s biggest single fund to divest from fossil fuels we will encourage other businesses to follow suit.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/01/guardian-media-group-divesting-fossil-fuels (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/01/guardian-media-group-divesting-fossil-fuels)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 09, 2015, 08:09:56 PM
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Russia and Canada accounted for 34% of global tree cover loss from 2011 through 2013, losing a combined average of 26,000 square miles, or about 6.8 million hectares of tree cover each year. Tree cover loss in Russia was much larger than in Canada, by nearly double. The tree cover loss in both these countries is linked to massive wildfires in boreal forests, which span the sub-Arctic region and are comprised of tall stands of spruce, fir and larch trees.
Indonesia's losses have decreased, perhaps in response to lower palm oil prices and anti-deforestation efforts by the government and Unilever.

http://mashable.com/2015/04/09/canada-russia-top-deforestation-list/ (http://mashable.com/2015/04/09/canada-russia-top-deforestation-list/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 09, 2015, 11:48:15 PM
All Los Angeles city managers have signed off on their Plan for the Future.
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In 10 years, Los Angeles plans to reduce per capita water use by 22.5 percent. It will no longer get any of its electricity from coal-fired power plants. It will turn public library lawns into urban gardens and lay out rain barrels like a city full of survivalist homesteaders. In 20 years, at least half of all journeys in L.A. will be taken on foot, by bike, or by using public transit — which is another way of saying that in 20 years, Los Angeles will be San Francisco, circa right now. Though probably more glamorous.
http://grist.org/article/l-a-just-called-it-says-go-find-another-dystopia/ (http://grist.org/article/l-a-just-called-it-says-go-find-another-dystopia/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 10, 2015, 04:31:07 PM
More on the Los Angeles plan.
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A few of the plans highlights include: becoming “the first big city in the nation to achieve zero waste” by 2025, fully divesting from coal-powered electricity by 2025, reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050, having zero smog days by 2025, and making it so that 50 percent of all trips taken by city residents are by bike, foot, or public transportation by 2035. The plan also makes commitments to reduce energy use in all buildings by 30 percent by 2035.
...
According to Parfrey, 20 percent of L.A. is covered in rooftops and 40 percent in pavement of some form. Changing the reflective capacity of these areas and adding more greenspace will play a big role in reducing the heat island effect. Parfrey and other city officials have already been pushing for these changes. In December 2013, the Los Angeles City Council unanimously passed a building code update requiring all new and refurbished homes to have cool roofs — which use sunlight-reflecting materials — making L.A. the first major city to require such a measure.

Cool roofs “can be more than 50°F cooler on the surface of the roof during a hot summer day and can cool the interiors of buildings by several degrees Fahrenheit, reducing chances of heat-related injuries or deaths,” according to Climate Resolve.

The city’s new sustainability plans calls for 10,000 of these cool roofs to be in place by 2017.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/04/10/3645227/los-angeles-city-of-sustainable-angels/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/04/10/3645227/los-angeles-city-of-sustainable-angels/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 11, 2015, 07:18:31 PM
Vancouver, Canada commits to run on 100% renewable energy.
City of 600,000 people is the latest to announce it will use only green energy for electricity, transportation, heating and air conditioning within 20 years.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/10/vancouver-commits-to-run-on-100-renewable-energy (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/10/vancouver-commits-to-run-on-100-renewable-energy)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 13, 2015, 02:58:12 AM
Hillary Clinton, the presumptive Democratic nominee for president in 2016.
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...Would a Clinton presidency be essentially a third Obama term?

On climate change and energy, it seems the answer is yes....
http://grist.org/climate-energy/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-hillary-clinton-and-climate-change/ (http://grist.org/climate-energy/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-hillary-clinton-and-climate-change/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 13, 2015, 03:13:03 PM
We need environmental and anti-Wall-Street Senator Elizabeth Warren to run for U.S. president -- if only to focus Clinton's campaign more toward the climate.
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"Senator Elizabeth Warren has shown outspoken and intelligent leadership," said Annie Leonard, the executive director of Greenpeace USA who penned a letter along with labor activist Larry Cohen last month backing a Warren 2016 bid. "Having a candidate like this run in the Democratic presidential primaries could only help to raise the quality of debate on America's most pressing social and environmental issues."

Warren's continued insistence that she is not running for president has not dissuaded potential supporters or environmentalists. And greens hope that throwing their weight behind the draft Warren campaign will pressure Clinton to carve out positions more in line with the climate movement.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/ready-for-warren-prepares-to-launch-climate-activist-coalition-20150413 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/ready-for-warren-prepares-to-launch-climate-activist-coalition-20150413)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 13, 2015, 03:29:33 PM
No plane; not even a bus.  Wow.

Road Trip: Hillary Clinton Is On Her Way to Iowa — In a Van
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/road-trip-hillary-clinton-her-way-iowa-van-n340536 (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/road-trip-hillary-clinton-her-way-iowa-van-n340536)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 14, 2015, 08:09:29 PM
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Helping working families succeed, building small businesses, tackling climate change & clean energy. Top of the agenda. #Hillary2016
4:45 PM - 12 Apr 2015
Campaign Chairman John Podesta's tweet makes Hillary Clinton's campaign the first major presidential campaign ever to make combating climate change a central issue.
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/04/12/3646143/important-tweet-hillarys-announcement-everyone-pretty-much-ignored/ (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/04/12/3646143/important-tweet-hillarys-announcement-everyone-pretty-much-ignored/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 16, 2015, 10:15:31 PM
The right wing is fighting for solar, too.  Just don't mention climate change.

Al Gore Joins Tea Party in Battle Against Utilities, for solar power.
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The fact these two forces from opposite ends of the spectrum are coming together reflects a maturing in the environmental debate, with a search on for leaders who can deliver the message to different communities, said Andy Hoffman, director of the Institute for Global Sustainable Enterprise at the University of Michigan.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-13/al-gore-joins-tea-party-in-battle-against-utilities (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-13/al-gore-joins-tea-party-in-battle-against-utilities)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 17, 2015, 09:00:26 PM
U.S. Senate approves motion to address climate change!
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It’s not a bill, it’s non-binding, and there’s no guarantee anything will actually come of it. But either way, the Republican-led Senate apparently thinks climate change should be tackled in the final federal budget for fiscal year 2016.

On Thursday evening, the Senate approved a motion to instruct budget negotiators to “insist” that the final spending bill include measures to address human-caused climate change. Specifically, it calls for funding that “respond(s) to the causes and impacts of climate change, including the economic and national security threats posed by human-induced climate change.” Via the motion, budget negotiators were also instructed to provide funds for the Department of Defense to bolster resilience of critical military infrastructure to the impacts of climate change.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/04/16/3647796/senate-says-yes-to-climate/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/04/16/3647796/senate-says-yes-to-climate/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 17, 2015, 09:41:20 PM
Company bosses pledge emission cuts, call for strong Paris climate deal
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Bosses from more than forty global companies called on negotiators to agree a United Nations climate change deal in Paris in December and pledged to make their own emission cuts, they said in an open letter published on Thursday.

The group of 43 chief executives, representing firms which generated a combined $1.2 trillion in 2014, said they would set internal emission reduction targets and called on negotiators to make sure a new international climate deal limits the global rise in temperatures to below 2 degrees Celsius.

The letter is designed to put pressure on government officials ahead of a spring meeting of a World Bank group in Washington from April 17-19.

Companies signing the letter include cement maker Lafarge, telecom group Erikson, consumer goods company Unilever, and car maker Volvo [VOLVO.UL].
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/16/us-climatechange-ceo-letter-idUSKBN0N72T420150416 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/16/us-climatechange-ceo-letter-idUSKBN0N72T420150416)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Timothy Astin on April 18, 2015, 11:01:57 AM
Professor Peter Wadhams and others made a some striking comments in a letter yesterday to the Independent newspaper.

The letter draws attention to the negligence of politicians during the current UK election campaign to offer policy to mitigate global warming, especially sea level rise.

Personally I strongly agree with the letter's points about the need for short-term policy to halt development on land close to sea level; and rational discussion of future costs of longer term (compared to politician life cycles) infrastructure protection, or else evacuation and abandonment.

But I feel an opening statement in the letter "The Arctic Ocean may well be ice-free this summer", is unhelpful hyperbole.  If it is not hyperbole, then Professor Wadhams is continuing to stake a lot of scientific reputation by making such a claim against the current consensus for when "ice-free in summer" will occur.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: wili on April 18, 2015, 11:43:07 AM
"But I feel an opening statement in the letter 'The Arctic Ocean may well be ice-free this summer', is unhelpful hyperbole"

I guess I'll take Professor Wadhams' judgment over yours, unless you happen to have more experience observing Arctic sea ice than Wadhams does. He of course makes no firm prediction here; he is just pointing out that we are essentially one summer with the right (wrong) weather away from an essentially ice-free Arctic. Given the state of much of the ice, I don't think that is such a wild conjecture. Of course, no on can no for sure what this summer's weather will be like in the Arctic.

It may indeed be 'unhelpful' though, in as much as it has no direct bearing on sea level rise. Thanks for bringing the letter to our attention. I think all of us have to be sounding the tocsin on slr and other GW-related issues. I used to be wary of putting too much emphasis on preparing for the results of GW because I thought we should be putting every effort into preventing it in the first place. But at this point, tipping points have been crossed, so making preparations is prudent. Perhaps the very making of those preparations will help wake people (and especially policy makers) up to the urgent need to dramatically reduce our use of fossil-death-fuels immediately.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: crandles on April 18, 2015, 01:38:57 PM
He of course makes no firm prediction here; he is just pointing out that we are essentially one summer with the right (wrong) weather away from an essentially ice-free Arctic. Given the state of much of the ice, I don't think that is such a wild conjecture. Of course, no on can no for sure what this summer's weather will be like in the Arctic.

If we have say 5 more years with max ice volume above 20k Km^3 and none of these gets close to 1m Km^2 area before having a year with max volume below 20k Km^3 that gets down close to 1m Km^2 area then he is going to look a bit foolish to say the least.

>"I'll take Professor Wadhams' judgment over yours"

I think my judgement as an amateur means very little but Professor Wadhams views are out of line with other relevant experts who think there will be September sea ice in the 2030s and perhaps beyond. Professor Wadhams' views are an outlier and I will take the consensus views over his views.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: wili on April 18, 2015, 04:49:22 PM
IIRC, Wadhams has more experience observing sea ice than most of his detractors. Of course, it could be that he is just stubbornly sticking to his prediction from three years ago, in spite of recent events that have changed other people's minds (including yours, I believe) about probable future ice behavior. If that's the case, it would be unfortunate.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 19, 2015, 08:46:29 PM
President Obama's Weekly Address: "Climate Change Can No Longer Be Ignored"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_csblV1PJ4o
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 22, 2015, 08:19:48 PM
Yeb Sano: Why I’m leaving diplomacy to fight climate change

The former Philippines climate envoy announces he is stepping down to work on sustainable future with faith groups.
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If these so-called leaders refuse to act adequately to confront climate change and deliver the crucial outcome in Paris at the end of the year, the People will create a new parallel world where the climate crisis can be averted.

For instance, the aspiration of a world powered by 100% renewable energy by 2050 is a dream we can and must build.

If we are to confront our problems as a human family effectively and pursue that bright future we all want, we must build a better world – eradicate poverty, build resilient and sustainable communities, protect the Earth, promote honor and integrity, and foster a culture of caring.
http://www.rtcc.org/2015/04/21/yeb-sano/#sthash.0wstDMrr.dpuf (http://www.rtcc.org/2015/04/21/yeb-sano/#sthash.0wstDMrr.dpuf)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 24, 2015, 08:09:05 PM
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, on eve of Arctic summit, calls for citizen pressure on climate change.
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Kerry said in an interview with The Washington Post on Thursday that he wants this year’s international climate talks in Paris to include a forum in which non-state actors can commit to reducing carbon pollution blamed for the planet’s warming. Kerry said that a groundswell of citizen support is needed to prod world leaders into making the difficult choices necessary to protect Earth’s climate.

“A lot of mayors around the world are ahead of their national governments, and a lot of local citizens are well ahead of their elected leaders,” Kerry said. “I think we need to find a way to highlight that.”

Kerry made the comment as diplomats from eight nations prepared to gather in far-northern Canada for a meeting of the Arctic Council. Leaders of the eight-nation council are grappling with how to manage collectively the environmentally fragile region at a time when rapid warming is creating new problems and new economic opportunities.

The Arctic is currently warming twice as fast as the rest of the planet, disrupting marine and terrestrial ecosystems, while opening new ice-free channels for shipping, commercial fishing, and oil and gas exploration.

The chairmanship of the council formally passes to the United States on Friday, and Kerry said he plans to use the two-year term to highlight the connection between melting ice in the Arctic and environmental effects around the globe. Scientists are warning of dramatic changes underway in the far-northern latitudes, ranging from thawing permafrost to the slow submergence of entire coastal villages sinking into the sea.

“The dangers are enormous in terms of sea-level rise and what could happen if Greenland’s ice melts,” Kerry said. “These compounded dangers, and the fact that this is pristine wilderness that’s being affected, should jog someone’s moral conscience.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/kerry-on-eve-of-arctic-summit-calls-for-citizen-pressure-on-climate-change/2015/04/23/bac7fc42-e9eb-11e4-9a6a-c1ab95a0600b_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/kerry-on-eve-of-arctic-summit-calls-for-citizen-pressure-on-climate-change/2015/04/23/bac7fc42-e9eb-11e4-9a6a-c1ab95a0600b_story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 26, 2015, 05:00:03 PM
In Washington, a handful of corporations lobby against climate change.
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Brad Figel’s official title is vice president of public affairs at Mars, the global food manufacturer, but he describes his job more simply. “I’m a lobbyist,” he says.

“I’ve learned to admit it,” he jokes. “It makes me feel better.”

But Figel is no ordinary lobbyist. He is one of the few corporate lobbyists in Washington who works on behalf of meaningful climate action. Mars, for example, supports the EPA’s Clean Power Plan to regulate carbon-spewing coal plants, a cornerstone of the Obama administration’s climate agenda.

Figel can count on several corporate allies in the climate fight, including Ikea, Kellogg, Levi Strauss, Nestle, Nike, Novelis, VF and Unilever. But this handful of activist corporations are vastly outnumbered by lobbyists from the coal, oil and natural gas industries, as well as by the powerful US Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers.
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/apr/24/washington-climate-change-environmental-defense-fund-ceres-mars-google-starbucks-epa-clean-power-plan (http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/apr/24/washington-climate-change-environmental-defense-fund-ceres-mars-google-starbucks-epa-clean-power-plan)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 26, 2015, 05:33:41 PM
Humor:  Life imitates sketch comedy when President Obama speaks at Saturday night's White House Correspondents' Dinner.  Included: climate change.

Watch Obama’s Anger Translator Say What the President Really Feels
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/04/obama-anger-translator-whcd-video-key (http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/04/obama-anger-translator-whcd-video-key)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 01, 2015, 07:25:37 PM
Bill McKibben:  Why the Planet Is Happy That Bernie Sanders Is Running for President
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mckibben/why-the-planet-is-happy-t_b_7184974.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mckibben/why-the-planet-is-happy-t_b_7184974.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 02, 2015, 03:31:50 PM
Bernie Sanders signals aggressive challenge to Hillary Clinton
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/05/01/bernie-sanders-signals-aggressive-challenge-to-hillary-clinton/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/05/01/bernie-sanders-signals-aggressive-challenge-to-hillary-clinton/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 07, 2015, 12:07:13 AM
Leftist party's win in Alberta may affect future of oil sands
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OTTAWA — With an economy dominated by the oil industry and a conservative, free-market political tradition, Alberta has long been cast as the Texas of Canada. But on Tuesday, not only did the province’s voters put the Progressive Conservative Party out of power after 43 years, they elected a government from the far left of Canada’s mainstream political spectrum.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/07/world/americas/leftist-party-in-alberta-ends-long-dominance-of-conservatives.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/07/world/americas/leftist-party-in-alberta-ends-long-dominance-of-conservatives.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 07, 2015, 02:59:02 AM
The U.K. Is On The Verge Of Electing A Climate Change Champion As Prime Minister
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/05/06/3655000/united-kingdom-election-could-be-big-for-climate-change/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/05/06/3655000/united-kingdom-election-could-be-big-for-climate-change/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: silkman on May 07, 2015, 10:09:24 AM
Unfortunately I think this is an over-optimistic view of the current political situation in the UK.

Ed Milliband certainly has excellent credentials but the truth is that the environment in general and climate change in particular has played little or no part in the lead up to what is set to be the most unpredictable General Election ever in the UK.

The Labour manifesto has some genuine commitments to aggressive carbon targets and a strong Labour administration could probably be relied on to carry a strong message into the Paris talks later this year. But they've remained buried in the small print as the "debate", for what it's worth, has inevitably focussed on the issues of the day - Scottish independence, immigration, the need for further austerity, membership of the EU. Even the Greens are leading with an anti-austerity message which seems to me to be rather at odds with their mainstream objectives.

The one thing I think we can be sure of is that the long era of two party politics in the UK has gone, for a while at least.

Unfortunately, it's difficult to see any party or coalition emerging from the current morass that would be in a position to champion the Climate Change agenda effectively on the international stage.

I'm off to exercise my democratic right shortly in elections for both national and local government and am looking forward (I think!) to a long night as the results come in.

If Ed makes it to No 10 at least there's hope.


 
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Jim Hunt on May 07, 2015, 12:41:18 PM
I'm off to exercise my democratic right shortly in elections for both national and local government.

Me too. I managed to vote successfully for a Green MEP (http://econnexus.org/south-west-england-elects-a-green-mep/) last year, but my vote for an MP today will be irrelevant:

http://www.voterpower.org.uk/devon-central (http://www.voterpower.org.uk/devon-central)

Even a UKIP representative managed to turn up to a recent "environment" themed hustings that I attended, but the Tories were conspicuous solely by their absence. Here's an extract from a subsequent local event:

http://youtu.be/AWZKiIyyVNY (http://youtu.be/AWZKiIyyVNY)

This is democracy for you:

http://youtu.be/pNZDQbsoZr0 (http://youtu.be/pNZDQbsoZr0)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: silkman on May 08, 2015, 09:25:42 AM
Cameron is back in No 10  :(
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: silkman on May 08, 2015, 12:31:37 PM
Jim

Thanks for the links. They're absolutely brilliant and give me hope for the political future of this country.

"Where are the conviction politicians?", he says as David - greenest government ever (2010); cut the green crap (2013) - Cameron waltzes back into power.

Where can I sign up for the Arthur Price party?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Shared Humanity on May 10, 2015, 06:28:26 AM
In case anyone had any thought that the U.S.  would take a lead  in the battle against AGW.

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/05/gop-proposes-300-million-cut-nasas-earth (http://crooksandliars.com/2015/05/gop-proposes-300-million-cut-nasas-earth)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: skanky on May 11, 2015, 03:30:38 PM
New "climate change minister" announced (could have been worse): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32694267 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32694267)

I like how the Harrabin states that the GWPF is a fossil fuel advocacy group (because it is).
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: silkman on May 12, 2015, 09:34:37 AM
Skanky

It has to be encouraging that Cameron, in appointing Amber Rudd at Energy and Lynn Truss at Environment, hasn't pandered to right wing pressures.

At least we have two of the more "climate change enlightened" senior Tories in influential seats in the cabinet. I'll be particularly pleased if we see some real early commitment to the Cinderella of energy efficiency in the UK and an acknowledgement of the failure of the much hyped Green Deal to address this problem in the UK housing stock.

Having been much involved in a DECC funded Green Deal Pioneer Places Project I know to my cost just how badly this scheme has failed through poor design and rampant exploitation by the big energy companies of carbon subsidies.

 But the opportunity remains to make a real impact on carbon emissions whilst simultaneously reducing utility bills, enhancing health and wellbeing and creating thousands of jobs across the country by insulating our poor housing stock.

What's not to like for the new government?

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: skanky on May 12, 2015, 03:17:15 PM
As I said, it could have been worse.   :)

The big issue is that the whole issue is being looked at within the one department. Until the treasury gets involved it's, at best, minor solutions that may buy time until something serious is done. Hopefully this lot will prove us wrong, but breaths probably should not be held.

The insulation issue is a big one, but difficult in a lot of housing stock - I know from experience of trying to improve it in our '30s semi.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 14, 2015, 02:37:56 AM
U.S. Republican Bob Inglis was voted out of office in a big way when he took up climate change and a revenue-neutral carbon tax.  But he's continued the fight, and is now being hailed as "America’s Best Hope for Near-Term Climate Action."
By Eric Holthaus.
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2015/05/republican_bob_inglis_is_america_s_best_hope_for_near_term_climate_action.1.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2015/05/republican_bob_inglis_is_america_s_best_hope_for_near_term_climate_action.1.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 16, 2015, 07:35:54 PM
India and China commit to work together on climate change.
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NEW DELHI, May 15 (Reuters) - China and India, the world's No. 1 and No. 3 greenhouse gas emitters, projected a united front on climate change on Friday with a rare joint statement that asked rich countries to step up efforts to reduce global carbon emissions.
http://www.trust.org/item/20150515075602-27pqx/ (http://www.trust.org/item/20150515075602-27pqx/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 17, 2015, 10:01:11 PM
Tweet from Bill McKibben about the (U.S.) Democratic Party's upcoming convention:

@billmckibben: Hearing from @RL_Miller that the CA Dem convention is demanding fossil fuel divestment. What a champ organizer! And what a big deal!

https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/599998877056372736
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 27, 2015, 08:04:18 PM
Slate on President Obama's call that:  Climate Change Denial Is a Threat to National Security
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/05/26/climate_change_denying_reality_is_a_threat_to_our_nation.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/05/26/climate_change_denying_reality_is_a_threat_to_our_nation.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 28, 2015, 01:20:12 AM
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@billmckibben: !!!Norway Divests from Coal!!!! A huge step forward for a huge fund, thanks to tireless work of so many! Heia Norge! http://t.co/C4CYed13EH (http://t.co/C4CYed13EH)
https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/603681238071812096
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 28, 2015, 08:33:13 PM
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Congressional inaction? That shouldn’t stop the United States from achieving its climate goals, a new report from the World Resources Institute says.
The U.S. Can Meet Its Climate Goals Without Congress, New Report Finds
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/05/28/3663515/wri-united-states-climate-goals/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/05/28/3663515/wri-united-states-climate-goals/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 03, 2015, 09:11:38 PM
49 U.S. States Making Plans for EPA Carbon Rule—Even the Ones That Hate It
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The Environmental Protection Agency's plans to finalize the rules on carbon emissions from power plants are still several months away. But most states, even those challenging the agency in court, are already investigating ways to comply.
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/03062015/clean-power-plan-coal-obama-49-states-making-plans-epa-carbon-rule-even-ones-hate-it (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/03062015/clean-power-plan-coal-obama-49-states-making-plans-epa-carbon-rule-even-ones-hate-it)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 05, 2015, 03:23:02 AM
IKEA Pledges $1.13 Billion to Help Slow Climate Change
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/ikea-pledges-1-13-billion-help-slow-climate-change-n369656 (http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/ikea-pledges-1-13-billion-help-slow-climate-change-n369656)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 08, 2015, 10:08:20 PM
Lindsey Graham Calls Out Fellow U.S. Republican Candidates Over Climate Change Views
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“If I’m president of the United States, we’re going to address climate change, CO2 emissions in a business-friendly way,” Graham said during the interview, noting that he does “believe that climate change is real.”
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/06/08/3667066/graham-cnn-climate-change/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/06/08/3667066/graham-cnn-climate-change/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 09, 2015, 02:21:17 AM
Republican pledges $175 million to push party on climate
  A North Carolina executive is pouring his own money into trying to sway people in the GOP to take global warming seriously.
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“We think that there are real Republican solutions to the problem.”
...
“The problem with Republicans — a lot of Republicans, not all — they just don’t understand the issue,” said Andrew Sabin, owner of a New York-based precious-metal refining business and a longtime GOP donor. “If they saw some of the things they could do that wouldn’t affect the economy and in fact increases jobs and cleans the air, they’re all for it.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/republican-climate-change-jay-faison-118755.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/republican-climate-change-jay-faison-118755.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 11, 2015, 11:54:23 PM
Bill McKibben to Obama: You still have time to be a climate champion — but not much.
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People in D.C. stay snakebit by things too long: Solyndra is long-forgotten outside the Beltway, and every poll shows Americans of all political stripes love solar panels. Heck, there’s a left-right Green Tea coalition pushing for progress in the Southeast. We need you pounding the bully panel, not on the stump but on the roof, day after day — reminding everyone that far more people work in solar than in mining coal.

Just maybe, you also could take that new vision and use it to make the climate talks in Paris more than they’ll otherwise be. At the moment they look set to ratify a global temperature increase of 3 or 4 degrees C — that is, to lock us into a kind of slow-motion guaranteed catastrophe. They lack a vision beyond the mediocre (and unenforceable) targets that countries are now producing. But given the changed economics of sun and wind, the talks could be the moment when the world commits to electrifying every house on Earth with a solar panel on the roof. That’s now not only possible, it’s a practical and a moral imperative.
http://grist.org/politics/mckibben-to-obama-you-still-have-time-to-be-a-climate-champion-but-not-much/ (http://grist.org/politics/mckibben-to-obama-you-still-have-time-to-be-a-climate-champion-but-not-much/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 22, 2015, 02:58:59 PM
The Sydney Morning Herald kicks off its "Climate for Change" initiative.

Climate for change: our action plan to save the future.
Fine intentions will mean nothing if Australia does not do more. That, ultimately, is up to us all. We must get that message through to our leaders.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/climate-for-change-our-action-plan-to-save-the-future-20150621-ghtjws.html (http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/climate-for-change-our-action-plan-to-save-the-future-20150621-ghtjws.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 23, 2015, 12:58:35 AM
New EPA report.

White House: Action on Climate Change Could Save Tens of Thousands of Lives
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The report puts dollar figures on actions that slow climate change, saying that taking steps now to keep global temperatures down could bring long-term savings for the American taxpayer. According to the report, those savings include: as much as $34 billion on power systems costs in 2050, $3.1 billion in costs avoided as sea levels rise in 2100, and up to $7.4 billion in road adaptation costs in the same year.
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/white-house-action-needed-now-slow-climate-change-n379761 (http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/white-house-action-needed-now-slow-climate-change-n379761)


Here is the report site link:  http://www2.epa.gov/cira (http://www2.epa.gov/cira)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 27, 2015, 01:32:16 AM
A New Era': Canada’s Oil Country Promises To Become ‘World Leader’ On Climate Change
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Last month, the historically ultra-conservative and oil-rich province of Alberta, Canada, did the unthinkable: It elected a left-wing government. And that new government just made one of its first big moves: It announced a serious clamp-down on climate change.

“We need a climate change plan that is bold, ambitious, and will bring Alberta into a new era of responsible energy development and environmental sustainability,” Environment Minister Shannon Phillips said Thursday. “If we get it right, our environmental policy will make us world leaders on this issue, instead of giving us a black eye around the world.”
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/06/25/3674149/alberta-canada-climate-change-wow/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/06/25/3674149/alberta-canada-climate-change-wow/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 28, 2015, 01:29:29 AM
Credit rating agencies are miscalculating risks of climate change, report finds
A new report argues that credit agencies’ failure to properly account for climate risks could lead to the next global financial crisis.
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/jun/25/credit-rating-agencies-risks-climate-change-report-finance (http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/jun/25/credit-rating-agencies-risks-climate-change-report-finance)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 30, 2015, 02:25:33 PM
Australia’s ‘climate roundtable’ could unite old foes and end the carbon deadlock
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Climate policy is in the media yet again, but this time it might be different. The set of policy principles released by the Australian Climate Roundtable yesterday are extraordinary for two reasons.

First, the principles themselves offer some calm common sense in an arena that has been dominated by ferocious partisan politics and dramatic policy reversals. They could therefore offer a way to break the current policy deadlock and re-establish a bipartisan approach to climate change.

Second, the principles are the product of a highly unusual alliance of ten organisations, representing business, unions, environmentalists, and the community. It is unusual that such disparate groups can sit down together to talk, and downright extraordinary that they can agree on a common set of principles. So what is going on here?
https://theconversation.com/australias-climate-roundtable-could-unite-old-foes-and-end-the-carbon-deadlock-44007
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 30, 2015, 09:55:34 PM
In a major day for climate policy, China, Brazil, and the U.S. all announce new commitments
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In a jampacked day for international climate action, Brazil, the United States, and China — three of the world’s top 10 greenhouse gas emitters — all announced new goals Tuesday. The commitments came in different forms and units, ranging from forest hectares to renewable energy gigawatts — but collectively appeared to represent a new and major step forward towards addressing climate change and cleaning global energy systems.

President Obama and Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, leaders of the western hemisphere’s two most populous countries, released a statement Tuesday pledging to pursue strong climate change action and cut their emissions. That included an ambitious joint goal for each country to get 20 percent of their electricity by the year 2030 from renewable sources — not including hydropower. In addition, Brazil pledged to restore 12 million hectares of its forests by 2030 (equivalent to 120,000 square kilometers), even as it pursues “policies aimed at eliminating illegal deforestation.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/06/30/china-brazil-and-the-u-s-all-announce-new-climate-and-clean-energy-goals/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/06/30/china-brazil-and-the-u-s-all-announce-new-climate-and-clean-energy-goals/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 02, 2015, 02:12:12 AM
Surprise!  Most Republicans in Congress were willing to discuss a Carbon Fee and Dividend approach to climate action.

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Our organization, Citizens' Climate Lobby, recently sent 800 volunteers to meet with more than 500 House and Senate offices in Washington. This was our opening in those meetings:

"We're here to talk about a policy that can grow the economy, add jobs, increase our competitiveness with China, and make our air and water cleaner."

That policy, our volunteers would go on to explain, is to place a gradually rising fee on carbon and return the revenue to households. They also shared the results of a nonpartisan study that found that such a policy would cut CO2 emissions in half within 20 years, while adding 2.8 million jobs to the economy and saving 13,000 lives annually because of reduced air pollution.

So what happened when our volunteers engaged Republicans in this conversation?

In most instances, there was keen interest, active listening, productive discussions and -- in some cases -- expressions of support for our proposal. In very few instances, however, was there pushback from the staff or member of Congress about the science of climate change.

In meeting after meeting with Republican offices, the unspoken agreement seemed to be: "Let's not argue about the science; let's talk about solutions and where we might find common ground."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-reynolds/everything-you-think-you_b_7708378.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-reynolds/everything-you-think-you_b_7708378.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 03, 2015, 09:58:22 PM
Prince Charles: rewire the global economy to stop climate change
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/02/prince-charles-climate-change-rewire-global-economy?CMP=ema-60 (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/02/prince-charles-climate-change-rewire-global-economy?CMP=ema-60)

(Widget at the bottom of the article has at least two different calculators like the picture below.)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 07, 2015, 02:17:39 PM
'Historic' Toronto climate march calls for new economic vision
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Marchers carried banners broadcasting a wide range of demands but were united around a single message: that tackling climate change can make society much more fair and equitable.

It was the largest march related to climate change in Canadian history, outside of the province of Quebec, attracting more than 10,000 participants according to organizers, though some police estimated the number as high as 15,000.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2015/jul/06/historic-toronto-climate-march-calls-for-new-economic-vision (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2015/jul/06/historic-toronto-climate-march-calls-for-new-economic-vision)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 07, 2015, 02:32:58 PM
The White House Just Made It Easier to Power Homes With Solar Energy
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The White House is unveiling a sweeping effort to increase access to solar power—particularly in low-income communities.
...
As part of the initiative, the Housing and Urban Development Department will dole out technical assistance to affordable-housing organizations as a way of encouraging solar installation. The administration also plans to install 300 megawatts of renewable power in federally subsidized housing.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/obama-solar-power-20150707 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/obama-solar-power-20150707)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 09, 2015, 01:13:15 AM
Bernie Sanders, Martin O’Malley Sprint to Hillary Clinton’s Left on Climate
Sanders signaled that he will promote the movement to dump stocks in the fossil-fuel industry.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/hillary-clinton-climate-change-bernie-sanders-martin-o-malley-20150708 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/hillary-clinton-climate-change-bernie-sanders-martin-o-malley-20150708)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 10, 2015, 12:45:40 AM
3 U.S. Presidential Candidates Say 'No' To Fossil Fuel Funding of their campaigns.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7756274 (http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7756274)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 11, 2015, 10:17:29 PM
Two Democratic U.S. presidential contenders contrast with Hillary Clinton on climate.
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Sanders and O’Malley are rolling out detailed proposals to slash carbon emissions and transition the U.S. economy to run on wind and solar power instead of coal and oil, challenging Clinton to keep up.

At his campaign launch in May featuring 350’s McKibben, Sanders described climate change as a “planetary crisis” and explicitly called for a “tax on carbon” to address it.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/can-hillary-clinton-lead-the-keystone-army-119980.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/can-hillary-clinton-lead-the-keystone-army-119980.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 15, 2015, 01:07:40 PM
Australia news:
- Solar power industry vows to step up campaign to topple Abbott government
- Vow to expand marginal-seats campaign against Coalition comes after ban on Clean Energy Finance Corporation from financing wind and small-scale solar
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/14/solar-power-industry-vows-campaign-topple-abbott-government (http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/14/solar-power-industry-vows-campaign-topple-abbott-government)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 16, 2015, 01:07:05 AM
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Hillary Clinton isn't afraid to talk about global warming—and she wants her fellow Democrats to join her.

In closed-door meetings with House and Senate Democrats Tuesday, Clinton jumped at the chance to discuss the hot-button topic in political terms, numerous lawmakers said. Clinton delivered a clear message: Democrats must convince the American public that action to combat Earth's rising temperatures is urgent, and her party can make that case by tailoring their message to different kinds of voters.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/hillary-clinton-climate-change-democrats-20150714 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/hillary-clinton-climate-change-democrats-20150714)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 17, 2015, 02:09:08 AM
The Guardian interviews Al Gore.
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Countries are free to set their own targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions which ensures that while there will certainly be a deal at Paris, it will not achieve the internationally agreed goal of limiting warming to 2 degrees celsius – even Ban has conceded that.

For Gore, however, that’s not the point of Paris. The agreement is just meant as a kind of cattle prod to get countries moving on the systemic transformation of their economies, away for coal, oil and gas and to energy sources that do not rely on fossil fuels.

“Even if it falls a little bit short of the 2-degree threshold it will definitely lend a tremendous amount of momentum to an historic transition that is now well underway, away from carbon based energy and towards renewables efficiency, battery storage and sustainable agriculture and forestry,” Gore said.
Al Gore criticizes Obama on climate change and 'insane' Arctic drilling
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/16/al-gore-obama-climate-change-arctic-drilling (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/16/al-gore-obama-climate-change-arctic-drilling)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 17, 2015, 09:57:27 PM
Money talks.

Big Business wants to buy clean energy.  Utilities want to obtain it and sell it to them.
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In June, Alabama Power, one of the country’s largest electricity providers, filed a petition with the state’s Public Service Commission to add up to 500 megawatts of renewable energy over the next six years. The utility, which serves over 1.4 million customers in Alabama, cited customer demand as a primary reason for adding all this renewable energy — specifically corporate customers.

“This program was driven by conversations with customers looking to meet renewable mandates pushed down from their headquarters,” said Tony Smoke, Alabama Power vice president of marketing, in a statement announcing the request. “As a service provider, our focus is to make sure we are providing customers access to choices they want.”
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/16/3681354/alabama-power-asks-for-major-new-sources-of-renewable-energy/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/16/3681354/alabama-power-asks-for-major-new-sources-of-renewable-energy/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 18, 2015, 01:54:49 AM
Hillary Clinton Says She Would Phase Out Fossil Fuel Drilling On Public Lands — Just Not Yet
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/17/3681730/clinton-primary-public-lands-extraction/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/17/3681730/clinton-primary-public-lands-extraction/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 19, 2015, 05:29:54 PM
If/when Greece finally exits the EU, I imagine that this will likely lead to a weakening of the euro and an associated weaken of the EU's resolve to stick with its new voluntary climate change measures:


http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/00765226-2c94-11e5-8613-e7aedbb7bdb7.html#axzz3gLq2Bl1h (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/00765226-2c94-11e5-8613-e7aedbb7bdb7.html#axzz3gLq2Bl1h)


Extract: "So, like his predecessors, Mr Tsipras ended up with another very lousy bailout deal. And this one suffers from the same fundamental flaws as its predecessors. This leads me to conclude that Grexit remains the most likely ultimate outcome after all."
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 21, 2015, 01:24:16 PM
Passage of California climate change bill could set global example
http://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-pol-brown-vatican-20150719-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-pol-brown-vatican-20150719-story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 21, 2015, 05:05:48 PM
Without a healthy Green Climate Fund, it is possible/probably that the developing nations will increase their GHG emissions faster than the developed nations reduce their GHG emissions in the coming decades. The linked article explains why doubts about the health of the Green Climate Fund are increasing:

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20072015/paris-climate-change-treaty-finances-shaky-ground-green-climate-fund (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20072015/paris-climate-change-treaty-finances-shaky-ground-green-climate-fund)

Extract: "This primer explains why faith is beginning to wane in the Green Climate Fund, designed to heal divisions between rich and poor nations."
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 22, 2015, 01:45:19 PM
Act on climate change now, top British institutions tell governments
Joint letter by 24 scientific, medical and engineering bodies say mitigation will also bring economic and health benefits
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An unprecedented coalition of the UK’s most eminent scientific, medical and engineering bodies says immediate action must be taken by governments to avert the worst impacts of climate change.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/21/act-on-climate-change-now-top-british-institutions-tell-governments (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/21/act-on-climate-change-now-top-british-institutions-tell-governments)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 22, 2015, 02:05:15 PM
California's Gov. Brown blasts climate change 'deniers' during Vatican conference.
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With national leaders proving unwilling to act, the governor called on mayors “to light a fire, if I may use that metaphor – in terms of climate change, it’s probably the wrong one.”

“We have very powerful opposition that, in at least my country, spends billions on trying to keep from office people such as yourselves and elect troglodytes and other deniers of the obvious science,” Brown said at the conference.


New York Mayor Bill De Blasio, speaking after Brown, thanked the California governor for being “the leading voice in the nation” on climate change, and announced his intention to cut greenhouse gas emissions in New York by 40% by 2030, following California’s example.

http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gov-brown-blasts-climate-change-critics-during-vatican-conference-20150721-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gov-brown-blasts-climate-change-critics-during-vatican-conference-20150721-story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 23, 2015, 01:47:51 PM
U.S. wind power could get its tax breaks back
http://grist.org/news/wind-power-could-get-its-tax-breaks-back/ (http://grist.org/news/wind-power-could-get-its-tax-breaks-back/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 24, 2015, 08:10:43 PM
France adopts long-awaited energy law
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Prepared under four successive energy ministers, culminating with incumbent Segolene Royal the new rules will see the country adopt a new carbon price, to reach €56 per tonne by 2020 and €100 by 2030.

The law also commits the country to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions by 40 per cent by 2030 on 1990 levels; reduce energy consumption 50 per cent by 2050 compared to 2012; and achieve a 32 per cent of renewable in energy consumption by 2030.
http://tcktcktck.org/2015/07/france-adopts-long-awaited-energy-law/ (http://tcktcktck.org/2015/07/france-adopts-long-awaited-energy-law/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 25, 2015, 12:23:20 AM
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Tom Steyer, the billionaire environmentalist who emerged as the single biggest individual political donor in the 2014 midterm elections, is ramping up his efforts to make climate change a major issue for candidates in 2016.

On Friday, Mr. Steyer’s advocacy group, NextGen Climate Action, will announce that for a 2016 candidate to receive its financial backing, he or she must pledge to enact an energy policy that would lead to the generation of half the nation’s electricity from renewable or zero-carbon sources by 2030 – more than tripling the current use of such sources – and 100 percent from clean sources by 2050.
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Mr. Steyer declined to say how much he planned to spend in the 2016 campaign, but a spokeswoman for NextGen Climate Action said he intended to “double down.” Mr. Steyer spent $74 million in the 2014 midterm elections, donating $67 million to NextGen Climate Action, on a campaign intended to reward candidates who embrace climate change as a major issue, and to punish those who question or deny the established science of human-caused climate change.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/24/today-in-politics-a-billionaires-deep-pockets-come-with-a-big-catch/#post-mb-9 (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/24/today-in-politics-a-billionaires-deep-pockets-come-with-a-big-catch/#post-mb-9)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 25, 2015, 10:15:18 PM
Investors could lose $4.2tn due to impact of climate change, report warns
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/24/investors-could-lose-42tn-due-to-impact-of-climate-change-report-warns (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/24/investors-could-lose-42tn-due-to-impact-of-climate-change-report-warns)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 26, 2015, 02:51:59 AM
And here is the report, from The Economist:

The cost of inaction
Recognising the value at risk from climate change
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Brian Gardner, the editor of the report, said: “Investors currently face a stark choice. Either they will experience impairments to their holdings in fossil-fuel companies should robust regulatory action on climate change take place, or they will face substantial losses across the entire portfolio of manageable assets should little mitigation of climate risk be forthcoming. Charting a path away from these two options should be a strong motivation for long-term investors to engage with companies in their portfolios and to shift investments towards a profitable, low-carbon future.”
http://www.economistinsights.com/financial-services/analysis/cost-inaction (http://www.economistinsights.com/financial-services/analysis/cost-inaction)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 27, 2015, 02:28:43 PM
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In the coming months, Hillary Clinton's campaign is planning to release a series of proposals for dealing with global warming. Her first installment is out Sunday evening, and it calls for a large increase in renewable power.
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/26/9044343/hillary-clinton-renewable-solar (http://www.vox.com/2015/7/26/9044343/hillary-clinton-renewable-solar)


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@bradplumer: If you added Hillary's proposal for renewables to existing nukes, 50% of US electricity would be zero-carbon by 2027: http://t.co/fCOClO4QsN (http://t.co/fCOClO4QsN)

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@rebleber: Tom Steyer statement on Clinton's plan: "an ambitious framework" http://t.co/2eLRRCSWWu (http://t.co/2eLRRCSWWu)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 27, 2015, 06:48:51 PM
Hillary Clinton: If I’m Elected President Every American Home Will Be Powered by Renewables by 2027
http://ecowatch.com/2015/07/27/hillary-clinton-climate-plan/ (http://ecowatch.com/2015/07/27/hillary-clinton-climate-plan/)

Article includes Hillary's video announcement from Sunday.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 27, 2015, 08:00:08 PM
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Major companies, including tech giants Apple, Microsoft and Google have teamed up with the White House to urge international governments to reach a strong climate change agreement in Paris this December.

They're taking action. On Monday, more than a dozen large companies announced a new partnership with the White House to expand renewable energy use and cut greenhouse gas emissions and water use. The companies, which also include Cargill, General Motors, Goldman Sachs, UPS and Walmart, agreed to back a strong international climate change agreement that is to be negotiated in Paris in early December.
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By signing the "American Business Act on Climate pledge," the companies are voicing "support for a strong outcome in the Paris climate negotiations," according to the White House.

The corporate support for climate change action could affect the climate talks in Paris, since this is a new, influential corporate dynamic on the international stage. The tech companies who have signed on today together represent $1.3 trillion in revenue, based on 2014 data, according to a White House fact sheet.

As part of the pledge, each company agreed to take additional action to reduce their emissions.

In sum, the announcements total "at least $140 billion in low-carbon investment and more than 1,600 megawatts of new renewable energy," the White House said.

Apple, for example, which already runs all of its U.S. operations on renewable energy, said it will bring an additional 280 megawatts of "clean power generation" online by the end of 2016 through investments in several states as well as in Sichuan Province, China.

http://mashable.com/2015/07/27/apple-microsoft-google-climate/ (http://mashable.com/2015/07/27/apple-microsoft-google-climate/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 29, 2015, 01:38:14 AM
Comparing U.S. Democratic presidential candidates' climate goals announced to date.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/07/28/hillary_clinton_s_clean_energy_challenge_doesn_t_match_up_with_climate_science.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/07/28/hillary_clinton_s_clean_energy_challenge_doesn_t_match_up_with_climate_science.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 30, 2015, 01:47:07 AM
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@EPWBoxer: Boxer, @SenatorReid, @SenWhitehouse, @SenBrianSchatz , and @SenMarkey Speak on #ClimateChange http://t.co/wH3SmF4u0O (http://t.co/wH3SmF4u0O) #WhatstheGOPClimatePlan
45-minute video from the U.S. Senate floor.  Leading Democrats, for climate change action.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmBEwGk0Kw
(The pace picks up after the first speaker. ;) )
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 30, 2015, 03:05:49 PM
Revised U.S. Clean Power Plan would strengthen limits and reward early efforts, while pushing back deadline by two years.

Sources: EPA will ease deadlines on pollution rule to help states comply
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/sources-epa-will-ease-deadlines-on-pollution-rule-to-help-states-comply/2015/07/28/a223d8aa-3586-11e5-adf6-7227f3b7b338_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/sources-epa-will-ease-deadlines-on-pollution-rule-to-help-states-comply/2015/07/28/a223d8aa-3586-11e5-adf6-7227f3b7b338_story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 30, 2015, 07:18:27 PM
Obama’s Clean Power Plan Will Actually Lower Your Energy Bill, According To New Study
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The Obama Administration’s final Clean Power Plan rule is expected in early August. This study is the second one in a number of days to spell out how complying with the rule could end up saving customers money on their energy bills. Another study published by the energy research firm Synapse Energy Economics last week found that energy bills in 2030 could be $35 per month lower under a “Clean Energy Future” scenario as compared to business-as-usual. These studies are significant not only for their research value, but also because they push back on the oft-employed talking point that the Clean Power Plan — and renewable energy deployment in general — will cause electricity rates to skyrocket.

“As energy is used more efficiently, non-competitive power plants can be retired, construction of new coal plants can be deferred, and transmission and distribution infrastructure investments can be delayed, all of which would lower rates and therefore lower the energy bills of all consumers,” Brown said. “This is a counter-intuitive finding to some who keep hearing from critics that have claimed that it will significantly increase the electricity bills of American families.”
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/30/3685299/cheapest-way-to-reduce-power-plant-emissions-and-save-money-on-electricity/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/30/3685299/cheapest-way-to-reduce-power-plant-emissions-and-save-money-on-electricity/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 31, 2015, 08:20:35 PM
Obama's Clean Power Plan Gets a Jolt of Support from Corporations
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Three hundred sixty-five companies and investors sent letters on Friday to more than two dozen governors supporting the Environmental Protection Agency's plans to significantly reduce carbon emissions from power plants, urging even the most recalcitrant states to recognize the economic and environmental benefits of the new rules.
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Our support [of the Clean Power Plan] is firmly grounded in economic reality," the companies wrote. "Evidence shows that emissions reductions can be achieved without long-term economic harm or damage to the reliability of our electricity system." The letter also said that businesses need "clear and consistent" climate policies to manage risk and transition to a clean energy economy.

"The rhetoric is out there that the Clean Power Plan is bad for business, but that is absolutely not the case," Mark Buckley, vice president of environmental affairs at Staples Inc., told InsideClimate News. The office supply store has invested in renewable energy and increased energy efficiency for nearly 14 years. "We've only seen benefits from this strategy," Buckley said.

Letters were sent to governors in 29 states that had at least 10 companies participating in the campaign headquartered or operating there. Several of the carbon rules' biggest opponents made the list, such as Kentucky, Ohio and Wisconsin, all three of which are challenging the legality of the EPA plan in court. Texas, another recipient, has signaled it might also sue when the rules are finalized.
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/31072015/obamas-clean-power-plan-gets-jolt-support-corporations (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/31072015/obamas-clean-power-plan-gets-jolt-support-corporations)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 01, 2015, 01:33:04 AM
U.S.:
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@insideclimate: Poll commissioned by Tom Steyer's group NextGen says 70% of voters in key swing states support goal of at least 50% clean energy by 2030.
https://twitter.com/insideclimate/status/626890617235316740
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 04, 2015, 02:07:28 AM
How Obama’s New Clean Power Plan Might Be Just Enough To Stave Off A Climate Catastrophe
By Joe Romm
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You can’t judge [the U.S.] CO2 commitment or any country’s commitment on whether it is sufficient to keep the world below 2°C — because none of them are. As I explained in February and again in July, that’s because 2°C will require deeper and deeper commitments for 2040 and 2050 and beyond until total global emissions hit zero and then beyond that until they go negative. No major country is prepared to take on such long-term obligations, especially given the last quarter-century of relative inaction by so many major countries — especially ours.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/03/3686977/moral-urgency-epa-clean-power-plan/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/03/3686977/moral-urgency-epa-clean-power-plan/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 04, 2015, 02:13:58 AM
How The U.S. Can Go Beyond The Clean Power Plan In Carbon Reduction
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/03/3687185/clean-power-plan-what-it-doesnt-cover/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/03/3687185/clean-power-plan-what-it-doesnt-cover/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 04, 2015, 02:36:45 AM
Bloomberg:  Republican Climate Change Plan:  Crickets   ;)
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@business: GOP presidential candidates attack Obama's Clean Power Plan, but offer no proposals of their own
http://t.co/qUgeKAadv4 (http://t.co/qUgeKAadv4)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 04, 2015, 08:29:57 PM
Bill Gates explains why he is investing another $1 billion in clean energy.
http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/bill-gates-explains-why-hes-investing-another-1-billion-clean-n403326 (http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/bill-gates-explains-why-hes-investing-another-1-billion-clean-n403326)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 04, 2015, 10:02:32 PM
Did the EPA Bulletproof the Clean Power Plan?
By making the Obama administration's landmark climate rules more workable and more stringent, Gina McCarthy may have strengthened their legal footing.
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The agency is betting that conservation and renewables will turn out to be not just the cleanest, but the cheapest energy investments in the decades to come.

The wager is that coal's muscles will continue to atrophy, while solar and wind energy providers will continue to flex theirs.

"Our country's clean energy transition is happening faster than anyone expected, even last year when we proposed the rule," McCarthy said.
http://insideclimatenews.org/carbon-copy/03082015/did-epa-bulletproof-clean-power-plan-obama-climate-carbon-regulations (http://insideclimatenews.org/carbon-copy/03082015/did-epa-bulletproof-clean-power-plan-obama-climate-carbon-regulations)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 05, 2015, 01:09:20 PM
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@bmcushing: Don’t wanna read 1,560 pages? @bradplumer just Vox-plained the crap out of the #CleanPowerPlan. Real wonky goodness: http://t.co/ojasy12qAX (http://t.co/ojasy12qAX)
https://twitter.com/bmcushing/status/628659109458481152 (https://twitter.com/bmcushing/status/628659109458481152)


How Obama's Clean Power Plan actually works — a step-by-step guide
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/4/9096903/clean-power-plan-explained (http://www.vox.com/2015/8/4/9096903/clean-power-plan-explained)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 05, 2015, 04:59:29 PM
Is the Clean Power Plan effective if merely prevents ramping up of dirty energy?
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My point yesterday, which I still believe today, was that you shouldn’t hail or denounce a plan as the strongest ever if it just continues current trends—and that the Clean Power Plan, as EPA acknowledged above, expects to do less than continue current trends. It projects fewer coal retirements and fewer emissions reductions. Kevin Drum of Mother Jones and other writers argued that I was being too harsh, because the reductions over the last decade were expanded by a recession and a fracking boom, and because coal retirements will be harder now that the oldest and most obvious targets have been retired. In this view, if the Clean Power Plan merely prevents too much backsliding—and helps Obama push for a global climate deal in Paris—it will provide a huge service. And a tougher plan could certainly face a tougher time in Congress and in the courts. 
http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/08/hidden-in-obamas-new-climate-plan-a-whack-at-red-states-000188 (http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/08/hidden-in-obamas-new-climate-plan-a-whack-at-red-states-000188)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 06, 2015, 06:31:46 PM
Mass. has made most emissions cuts required by new rules, state says
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/08/05/massachusetts-has-already-made-most-emissions-cuts-required-new-epa-rules-state-officials-say/FjcBVrTBlxT5En1AX6ctmK/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/08/05/massachusetts-has-already-made-most-emissions-cuts-required-new-epa-rules-state-officials-say/FjcBVrTBlxT5En1AX6ctmK/story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 07, 2015, 08:19:49 PM
Nationwide, Editorial Boards Weigh In on Climate Rule
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Following President Obama’s announcement of his landmark climate change regulations, many of the nation’s news outlets have weighed in on the Clean Power Plan. From Des Moines to New York City, editorial boards at news publications large and small have shared their thoughts on the EPA rule.

A wide majority of editorials in the first week applauded the new regulation and climate action overall. As reflections of their communities, however imperfect, local and national newspapers offer insight into the public’s views. Most offered strong support for the step, citing the plan’s impact on combating climate change, improving public health and spurring the clean energy revolution. A handful critiqued the plan.
http://climatenexus.org/nationwide-editorial-boards-weigh-climate-rule (http://climatenexus.org/nationwide-editorial-boards-weigh-climate-rule)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 08, 2015, 02:14:41 AM
Iowa’s Kids Will Now Be Taught Accurate Climate Science In School
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All Iowa kids will now have access to a world-class science education that includes learning the scientific evidence about human-caused climate change,” said Dr. Maria Filippone, a parent of an Iowa seventh-grader, according to a statement from the advocacy group Climate Parents. Filippone said learning about climate science “will help them develop solutions to the largest problem facing their generation.”
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Parents across the country have found different ways of talking about climate change with their children, and some start early. Now, instead of sporadic lessons in earth science classes, from grades 8-12, Iowa’s public high school students will now be learning about the evidence that leads the vast majority of scientists to the conclusion that human activity causes climate change.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/06/3688914/iowa-ngss-climate-education/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/06/3688914/iowa-ngss-climate-education/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 08, 2015, 09:12:59 PM
Obama Reveals His Most Ambitious Plan To Tackle Climate Change
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Addressing a crowd of scientists in the East Room of the White House, President Obama ticked through a list of threats that confronted the world since he took office: economic calamity, terrorism, nuclear weapons.

“But I am convinced that no challenge poses a greater threat to our future and future generations than a changing climate,” he said. “I believe there is such a thing as being too late. That shouldn’t make us hopeless. It’s not as if there’s nothing we can do about it. We can take action.”
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As the speech concluded, Obama got emotional, his voice softening. “I don’t want my grandkids not to be able to swim in Hawaii or not to be able to climb a mountain and see a glacier because we didn’t do something about it. I don’t want millions of people’s lives disrupted and this world more dangerous because we didn’t so something about it. That’d be shameful of us.”
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/03/3687270/final-carbon-rule-clean-power-plan/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/03/3687270/final-carbon-rule-clean-power-plan/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 10, 2015, 11:32:28 PM
Climate and energy feature heavily in national debate — in Canada
http://grist.org/climate-energy/climate-and-energy-feature-heavily-in-national-debate-in-canada/ (http://grist.org/climate-energy/climate-and-energy-feature-heavily-in-national-debate-in-canada/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 11, 2015, 07:35:29 PM
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@billmckibben: Yes! United Church of Canada votes (by 67%) to divest all fossil fuels. Huge victory--moral mandate in a key country http://t.co/UXowt5qG5k (http://t.co/UXowt5qG5k)

https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/631153577805893632 (https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/631153577805893632)

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Today, the United Church of Canada voted to sell its fossil fuel assets and commit financially to transitioning to an economy based on renewable energy. The vote was held by the 42nd General Council, the United Church’s highest body, which meets triennially to determine the denomination’s priorities. Climate justice, whereby the world’s most vulnerable populations avoid disproportionate harms of climate chaos, stands as a clear priority for Canada’s largest protestant denomination.

http://fossilfreefaith.ca/united-church-of-canada-votes-to-divest-from-fossil-fuels/ (http://fossilfreefaith.ca/united-church-of-canada-votes-to-divest-from-fossil-fuels/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 11, 2015, 07:51:54 PM
Debated whether to put this under the "DENY" thread....  ::)

Critics pounce on Australia's new climate plan as misleading, unambitious
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Australia released its much-anticipated greenhouse gas emissions reduction targets on Tuesday, and as many environmental activists feared, they are far from what's needed to limit manmade global warming to below "dangerous" levels as defined by the international community.

Australia's Conservative government, led by Prime Minister Tony Abbott, pledged to cut its planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions by 26% to 28% below 2005 levels by 2030. ...

At first glance, Australia’s new target appears similar to the United States’ announced goal. In July, the Obama administration submitted its emissions plan to the U.N., pledging to cut emissions by 26 to 28% below 2005 levels by 2025.

However, the baseline year that Australia is using — 2005 — was a year that country had unusually high greenhouse gas emissions. Using such a peak year can make emissions targets appear to be more stringent than they actually are.

The Climate Change Authority noted the issue with a 2005 base year in its report, saying that if 2005 were to be used as the baseline, then the emissions target should be a 36% reduction by 2025.

http://mashable.com/2015/08/11/australia-climate-goals/ (http://mashable.com/2015/08/11/australia-climate-goals/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 11, 2015, 11:50:34 PM
Dear Washington Times: Here's How People Of Color Really Feel About The Clean Power Plan
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For the second time in recent months, The Washington Times has cherry-picked statements from fossil fuel industry-funded individuals and organizations to allege that the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) Clean Power Plan "faces opposition from black [and] Hispanic leaders." In reality, a great majority of African-American and Latino voters support climate action, and leaders from many of the largest minority groups have come out in support of the plan.

Several polls indicate that African-American and Latino voters overwhelmingly support government action to combat climate change -- and the Clean Power Plan specifically. Additionally, many major black and Hispanic organizations have endorsed the EPA's plan to reduce carbon pollution from power plants because of the financial and health benefits it will provide for their communities.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/08/11/dear-washington-times-heres-how-people-of-color/204868 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/08/11/dear-washington-times-heres-how-people-of-color/204868)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 12, 2015, 12:17:31 AM
Bummer. :(  I liked the idea of a carbon emissions budget: firm numbers could lead to measured action.  But Joe Romm is right; politicians would only use it to support their inaction.

The Real Budget Crisis: ‘The CO2 Emissions Budget Framing Is A Recipe For Delaying Concrete Action Now’
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/09/30/2699121/real-budget-crisis-co2/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/09/30/2699121/real-budget-crisis-co2/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 13, 2015, 01:14:25 AM
Handy chart included.

Where U.S. Presidential Candidates Stand On Climate Change
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/11/429781692/where-presidential-candidates-stand-on-climate-change (http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/11/429781692/where-presidential-candidates-stand-on-climate-change)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 13, 2015, 02:01:21 AM
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@mattprivratsky: Energy nerds: tomorrow's our day. @EricHolthaus is gathering #energy experts for an AMA on @reddit #CleanPowerPlan  https://t.co/iefTbr72KS

https://twitter.com/mattprivratsky/status/631556324120068096


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@freshenergy: Tomorrow, we're taking over @reddit - J. Drake Hamilton is joining @EricHolthaus for an AMA Thur @ 3PM CT http://t.co/QGWHptBlow (http://t.co/QGWHptBlow)

https://twitter.com/freshenergy/status/631555845893914624
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 14, 2015, 02:28:30 AM
The Thin Green Line Is Stopping Coal and Oil in Their Tracks
Northwest U.S. communities have won key battles. Can they win the war?
http://daily.sightline.org/2015/08/13/the-thin-green-line-is-stopping-coal-and-oil-in-their-tracks/ (http://daily.sightline.org/2015/08/13/the-thin-green-line-is-stopping-coal-and-oil-in-their-tracks/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 18, 2015, 06:07:44 PM
Hillary Clinton: Arctic Drilling 'Not Worth the Risk'
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-arctic-drilling-not-worth-risk-n411761 (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-arctic-drilling-not-worth-risk-n411761)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 19, 2015, 06:29:06 PM
Bill McKibben: Being carbon-foolish cost CalPERS and CalSTRS $5 billion
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The California Public Employees' Retirement System and the California State Teachers' Retirement System styled themselves savvy investors that didn't want to make decisions based on mere morality, spurning the argument that it was time to stop investing in companies searching for yet more hydrocarbons. Instead, the funds promised to "engage" with those companies to change them.

How has that strategy worked so far? On Monday, the federal government gave Royal Dutch Shell the final permits it needs to drill in the Arctic for the first time in 20 years. And a new report shows that those savvy investors managed to lose their clients — the state's pensioners — $5 billion in its oil and gas portfolios last year.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0818-mckibben-calpers-fossil-fuel-investment-20150818-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0818-mckibben-calpers-fossil-fuel-investment-20150818-story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 24, 2015, 09:31:07 PM
Pushing back against fossil fuel interests, Obama backs clean energy choices for consumers
http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2015/08/24/obama-pushing-for-more-clean-energy-choices-for-consumers (http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2015/08/24/obama-pushing-for-more-clean-energy-choices-for-consumers)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 25, 2015, 01:49:21 AM
Australian Capital Territory Sets Target Of 100% Renewables By 2025
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The government of the Australian Capital Territory is going where the federal politicians who march the corridors of Parliament House in the national capital fear to tread – to reach 100 per cent renewable energy by 2025.

The target was unveiled by ACT chief minister Andrew Barr at the ACT Labor Party conference on Saturday. The ACT already had a 90 per cent renewable energy target by 2020, but decided to go the “whole hog” by 2025 to show leadership in the climate and clean energy debate that has been lacking at the federal level.

“Canberra can and should be a beacon for everyone who realises the world must act decisively now to stave off a future of catastrophic climate change,” Barr told the conference on Saturday.

The ACT is able to do this because it has no domestic fossil fuel industry – apart from federal lobbyists – within its territory, therefore little organised resistance to wind and solar projects.
http://cleantechnica.com/2015/08/24/australian-capital-territory-sets-target-of-100-renewables-by-2025/ (http://cleantechnica.com/2015/08/24/australian-capital-territory-sets-target-of-100-renewables-by-2025/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 26, 2015, 12:52:31 AM
U.S. President Barack Obama singles out Koch brothers over fossil fuel lobbying
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Barack Obama has railed against US political and business figures who oppose the expansion of wind and solar power in a speech where he singled out the influential Koch brothers for criticism.

Accusing opponents of his energy policies of “wanting to protect an outdated status quo” based on fossil fuels, he warned them away from “standing in the way of the future” and his efforts to combat climate change.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/25/barack-obama-warns-fossil-fuelled-opponents-he-has-clean-energy-to-spare (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/25/barack-obama-warns-fossil-fuelled-opponents-he-has-clean-energy-to-spare)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 26, 2015, 01:21:59 AM
Obama Just Picked The Customer’s Side Against The Nevada Utility That’s Trying To Kill Rooftop Solar
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/25/3694832/nv-energy-vs-rooftop-solar/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/25/3694832/nv-energy-vs-rooftop-solar/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 26, 2015, 01:56:24 AM
Obama to speak 'frankly' on 11-day climate change tour
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/08/24/obama-speak-frankly-11-day-climate-change-tour/32265433/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/08/24/obama-speak-frankly-11-day-climate-change-tour/32265433/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 27, 2015, 07:13:07 PM
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@billmckibben: Great snarky piece from @elijahion @credoaction about Obama's Alaska trip as his Mission Accomplished climate moment https://t.co/ApvSpnUQAZ

https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/636936379461726208

President Obama’s ‘Mission Accomplished’ Moment
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The scientific consensus on unburnable carbon demonstrates the problem with President Obama’s climate leadership in a nutshell. The carbon budget is a simple concept, and presumably he understands it. Yet in approving Shell to drill in the Arctic, he is continuing a string of decisions allowing the massive extraction of fossil fuels, keeping us on a path of 4 or 5 degrees of warming — a climate catastrophe.

This is the self-defeating hypocrisy at the heart of President Obama’s energy policy — what he calls his “All-of-the-Above” strategy. He increased fuel efficiency standards for cars, but also approved the southern portion of the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline. He made sizeable investments in clean energy and energy efficiency, but approved fracking on federal lands. He reached a historic climate deal with China, but his trade representative pressured Europe to lift its restriction on higher-carbon tar sands crude.
https://medium.com/@elijahzarlin/president-obama-s-mission-accomplished-moment-7e8971761a3e
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 28, 2015, 09:31:55 PM
Lammy and Khan commit to divestment if elected as London mayor
Labour MPs say they will ditch Boris Johnson’s policy and pull out City Hall’s £4.8bn pension fund from oil, coal and gas companies
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/27/lammy-and-khan-commit-to-divestment-if-elected-as-london-mayor (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/27/lammy-and-khan-commit-to-divestment-if-elected-as-london-mayor)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: silkman on August 29, 2015, 12:58:09 PM
It seems as though Obama is going to use his imminent trip to Alaska to put Climate Change centre stage. This week's storm and its impact on the ice, the coast and Shell's drilling activities will serve as an interesting precursor to his visit and perhaps give the doubters a little more food for thought.

A good piece this morning from the Union of Concerned Scientists about the threat to Native Alaskan villages is probably amongst the first of many seeking the opportunity to exploit the spotlight on the State:

http://blog.ucsusa.org/native-alaskan-villagers-may-become-the-first-u-s-climate-refugees-860 (http://blog.ucsusa.org/native-alaskan-villagers-may-become-the-first-u-s-climate-refugees-860)

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 30, 2015, 02:18:12 PM
Breaking the Ice: Obama Seeks to Cement Climate Change Legacy
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/breaking-ice-obama-seeks-cement-climate-change-legacy-n418061 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/breaking-ice-obama-seeks-cement-climate-change-legacy-n418061)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 01, 2015, 07:21:38 PM
Oil, Oligarchs, Climate and Obama’s Arctic-Focused Alaska Trip
By ANDREW C. REVKIN
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The Arctic seems hot these days, and not just because of rising temperatures and retreating ice, or because President Obama plans to speak at an Arctic policy meeting and visit an Arctic community on an Alaska tour starting Monday.

There’s intensified international jockeying over Arctic Ocean seabed resources, with Russia in August updating its claim to a vast region under the Law of the Sea convention (which the United States still has not ratified). There’s the tussle over Obama’s attempt to balance his climate and energy policies, with environmentalists decrying his approval of leases for Arctic offshore drilling (watch “Climate Leaders Don’t Drill The Arctic”) while Alaska Republicans complain about excessive federal control (see Representative Don Young here).
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/oil-oligarchs-and-other-subtexts-on-obamas-arctic-focused-alaska-trip/ (http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/oil-oligarchs-and-other-subtexts-on-obamas-arctic-focused-alaska-trip/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 01, 2015, 09:09:52 PM
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@EricHolthaus: Good overview of Obama climate policy via latest @drvox tweetstorm: http://t.co/5X7SThUk88 (http://t.co/5X7SThUk88)

https://twitter.com/ericholthaus/status/638778074180546561 (https://twitter.com/ericholthaus/status/638778074180546561)

My take:  With today's huge known reserves of fossil fuel, putting limits on selected bits of fossil fuel production won't reduce demand.  So, let the oil companies have their fun (but keep tightening restrictions for health and safety), and use other policies to reduce consumer demand and incentivise cleaner alternatives.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 02, 2015, 01:02:24 AM
In Alaska, Obama warns leaders: 'We're not acting fast enough' on global warming
http://mashable.com/2015/08/31/obama-glacier-climate-alaska/ (http://mashable.com/2015/08/31/obama-glacier-climate-alaska/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 03, 2015, 03:26:40 AM
Coal divestment bill passes California state legislature
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The California bill is the latest in the international coal "divestment" movement. Norway's parliament recently voted to reduce coal investments by its $880 billion sovereign wealth fund. Stanford University and the University of Maine have made similar moves.

"This is a landmark bill because it represents the first time state pension funds have divested on the grounds of climate change," said Will Lana, a partner at Trillium Asset Management, a "sustainable" investment firm that represents $2.2 billion.
http://reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0R226A20150902 (http://reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0R226A20150902)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 08, 2015, 02:51:09 AM
Four-minute video on transitioning to clean energy:  excerpt of speech by President Obama.

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@ClimateReality: "We refuse to surrender the hope of a clean energy future to those who fear it and fight it." —@POTUS: http://t.co/SlPAN0NxtU (http://t.co/SlPAN0NxtU)  #ActOnClimate

https://twitter.com/climatereality/status/641044019213139970 (https://twitter.com/climatereality/status/641044019213139970)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 08, 2015, 02:54:13 PM
The Republicans' drive for climate change inaction:

GOP to attack climate pact at home and abroad
An aide to Mitch McConnell has been informing foreign embassies about GOP plans to oppose Obama's strategy on global warming.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/gop-congress-climate-pact-paris-213382#ixzz3l9QihEjH (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/gop-congress-climate-pact-paris-213382#ixzz3l9QihEjH)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 09, 2015, 12:55:42 AM
Oklahoma Republican Sen. Jim [”Snowball"] Inhofe flies to Copenhagen conference for a two-hour visit; calls climate change a 'hoax'; reporter calls him 'ridiculous'; Inhofe flies home.

Der Spiegel reporter calls Inhofe ‘ridiculous’ at Copenhagen summit
http://www.rawstory.com/2009/12/youre-ridiculous-inhofe/ (http://www.rawstory.com/2009/12/youre-ridiculous-inhofe/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 13, 2015, 02:15:14 PM
Joe Romm:  In Radical Shift, GOP Leaders Actively Embrace Catastrophic Climate Change
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Over the past year, GOP leaders, driven by Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), have made a radical shift in the party’s public position on climate change. They are now actively seeking to destroy a global climate deal.

In any other universe this would be a major news story. But I guess the mainstream media has become so jaded to what the Koch brothers and Tea Party have done to the Republican party at a national level, that this radical shift seems just like another dog-bites-man-story, albeit one where the wound is fatal.

In fact, for most of the past quarter-century, most of the GOP leadership has at least given lip service to the idea that global warming is a global problem that needs a global solution. Not only have they abandoned that public position, but they now apparently believe the role of the “exceptional” and “indispensable” nation is to actively work to undermine the world’s best chance to save billions of people — including generations of Americans — from needless misery.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/09/11/3700163/gop-leaders-embrace-climate-change/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/09/11/3700163/gop-leaders-embrace-climate-change/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 14, 2015, 03:49:56 PM
Australia Gets 5th Leader in 8 Years After Rival Ousts PM Abbott
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CANBERRA, Australia — Australia will get its fifth prime minister in eight years after the ruling Liberal Party on Monday voted out Tony Abbott following months of speculation and crumbling support from voters.

Malcolm Turnbull, a multi-millionaire former banker and tech entrepreneur and longtime Abbott rival, won a secret party room vote by 54 to 44, Liberal Party whip Scott Buchholz told reporters after the meeting in Canberra.
...
Abbott ousted Turnbull as leader of the Liberal Party in 2009.

However, his support for a carbon trading scheme, gay marriage and an Australian republic have made Turnbull unpopular with his party's right wing.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/australia-gets-5th-leader-8-years-after-rival-ousts-pm-n426841 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/australia-gets-5th-leader-8-years-after-rival-ousts-pm-n426841)

EDIT: more, from The Guardian
Malcolm Turnbull challenges Tony Abbott for Liberal leadership
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/14/malcolm-turnbull-to-challenge-tony-abbott-for-liberal-leadership (http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/14/malcolm-turnbull-to-challenge-tony-abbott-for-liberal-leadership)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 19, 2015, 04:24:50 PM
Australia:
Malcolm Turnbull's Faustian pact on climate change is heartbreaking
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Over recent days and bit by bit, Australians have been coming to understand the price that Malcolm Turnbull was willing to pay to achieve his long-held personal ambition of becoming prime minister. Australians are beginning to understand the extent to which he was willing to discard so many long-held beliefs to satisfy that ambition.

Nowhere has that price been higher than in relation to climate change and environmental protection policy. This was, after all, the signature difference between the former prime minister and the new prime minister.

Many Australians held out very high hopes that Mr Turnbull’s return to the leadership of the Liberal party would see him drag the party back to the sensible centre on climate change — that there would be the hope of Australia again regaining a bipartisan consensus that would allow us to move forward in the way that so many of our sister nations around the world are doing.

As these Australians watch what the prime minister has been saying over the last few days — going back to his press conference on Monday night — their hearts are breaking.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2015/sep/18/malcolm-turnbulls-faustian-pact-on-climate-change-is-heartbreaking (http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2015/sep/18/malcolm-turnbulls-faustian-pact-on-climate-change-is-heartbreaking)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 23, 2015, 01:37:46 AM
Massachusetts pension fund hit by losses in fossil fuel stocks, group says
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The Massachusetts state pension fund’s holdings of fossil fuel stocks lost $521 million in value in the past fiscal year, according to an estimate by a firm that advocates divesting such assets.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/09/21/massachusetts-pension-fund-hit-losses-fossil-fuel-stocks-group-estimates/Z4ar6PvzmWJ3cqlnweOvWK/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/09/21/massachusetts-pension-fund-hit-losses-fossil-fuel-stocks-group-estimates/Z4ar6PvzmWJ3cqlnweOvWK/story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 23, 2015, 03:02:21 PM
The Divestment Movement Has Unexpectedly Exploded into the Trillions of Dollars and Here’s Why
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At this time last year, building on the momentum generated by Climate Week and the New York People’s Climate March, divestment advocates made an ambitious announcement: a plan to triple the $50 billion in assets individuals and organizations had pledged to divest from fossil fuels by the time of the 2015 Paris UN climate negotiations.

That was an ambitious plan.

But in the year since, according to a new report from Arabella Advisors, the divestment movement exploded in scope and scale increasing fifty-fold, bringing the total combined assets of those divesting to an incredible $2.6 trillion.
http://desmog.ca/2015/09/22/divestment-movement-has-unexpectedly-exploded-trillions-dollars-and-here-s-why (http://desmog.ca/2015/09/22/divestment-movement-has-unexpectedly-exploded-trillions-dollars-and-here-s-why)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 24, 2015, 11:58:27 PM
Lengthy interview with President Obama about climate change, during his visit to Alaska.

Obama Takes on Climate Change: The Rolling Stone Interview
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The science doesn't change. The urgency doesn't change. But part of my job is to figure out what's my fastest way to get from point A to point B — what's the best way for us to get to a point where we've got a clean-energy economy. And somebody who is not involved in politics may say, "Well, the shortest line between two points is just a straight line; let's just go straight to it." Well, unfortunately, in a democracy, I may have to zig and zag occasionally, and take into account very real concerns and interests.
...
You wish that the political system could process an issue like this just based on obscure data and science, but, unfortunately, our system doesn't process things that way. People have to see it and feel it and breathe it. And that makes things a little scarier, because it indicates that we're already losing a lot of time. But, potentially, it gives us the chance to build the kind of political consensus, not just in America but internationally, that's going to be necessary to solve this enormous problem.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/obama-takes-on-climate-change-the-rolling-stone-interview-20150923 (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/obama-takes-on-climate-change-the-rolling-stone-interview-20150923)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bruce Steele on September 25, 2015, 07:17:31 AM
"people have to see it , feel it and breath it" then promptly deny it. I am calling bullsh..  We are bought and sold by powers that care little for our view of democracy, our feelings or our lungs.
Xi Jinping announces cap and trade by 2017,Germany takes more Syrian refugees, and Putin puts troops on the ground to fight ISIS. So do you think we are the light of democracy or are we really hiding behind the word democracy while promoting war, climate destruction, and sucking hind tit on healthcare ?  Obama would call it like he sees it but, but ,but, who pays the big bucks? And we wouldn't want to offend the corporate sponsor." the system doesn't process things that way " well it doesn't in the good old U.S. 
 I guess the pope gets it right that we represent " the land of dreams " Disneyland  or here in Calif.
La La land   
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: skanky on September 25, 2015, 11:48:20 AM
Chairman of CBI (Confederation of British Industry) criticises UK government's cancellation of the renewables subsidy:

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"We need all countries to pull in the same direction at the Paris Climate Summit (in November) to give firms the certainty and confidence they need to invest in the green economy for the long run".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34319458 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34319458)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Clare on September 25, 2015, 10:00:33 PM
I just can't fathom this at all, they are laying off 20% of the research staff here, we are going backwards & quickly here down in NZ:

"Crown research institute (CRI) AgResearch is laying off 33 scientists and 50 technicians because it is scaling back research on greenhouse gases, and animal and forage sciences.

Labour climate change spokesperson Megan Woods said the government had always said research and development in that area was the silver bullet to meeting reduced emissions targets...."

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/285267/concern-for-emissions-research-after-jobs-cut (http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/285267/concern-for-emissions-research-after-jobs-cut)

Agriculture is a major source of NZ's greenhouse gas emissions!

 >:(
Clare
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 27, 2015, 07:31:45 PM
Divestment efforts starting to hit coal and oil firms
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Pension funds and other institutional investors are growing wary of an increasing “carbon risk” faced by coal and oil companies which confront a divestment movement that has gone mainstream and an uncertain future of climate-related regulations.

Investors managing some $2.6-trillion (U.S.) in assets have signalled their intention to shift focus away from fossil fuels, a report released at a United Nations climate session this week states. And resource companies will likely face more bad news later this fall when the international Financial Stability Board, under the leadership of Bank of England Governor Mark Carney, releases a seminal report on the risk that “stranded assets” – long-term investments that are rendered uneconomic – would pose to the global banking and pension system.
...
The [climate-change] dialogue is scaring investors away from Canada and away from Alberta,” Dawn Farrell, TransAlta chief executive officer, told an energy conference in Ottawa on Thursday. “If your stock price drops by 50 per cent, where do you get the equity to invest in new technology?” Since the New Democratic Party came to power in Alberta in early May with a promise of aggressive climate policy, TransAlta’s share price has fallen from nearly $12 (Canadian) to close at $6.02 on Thursday.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/divestment-efforts-starting-to-hit-coal-and-oil-firms/article26535044/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/divestment-efforts-starting-to-hit-coal-and-oil-firms/article26535044/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 27, 2015, 08:17:31 PM
Hillary Clinton Releases A Plan To Modernize America’s Energy Infrastructure
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Less than 24 hours after officially coming out against the Keystone XL pipeline, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton released her plan for modernizing America’s energy infrastructure and combatting climate change across North America.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/09/23/3704776/hillary-clinton-energy-infrastructure/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/09/23/3704776/hillary-clinton-energy-infrastructure/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 30, 2015, 06:19:27 PM
No long-term future in tar sands, says Alberta's premier
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The leader of Canada’s biggest oil-producing province has declared she sees no long-term future in fossil fuels, predicting Alberta would wean itself off dirty energy within a century.

In an early reveal of her forthcoming new energy policy, Alberta’s Rachel Notley said she would fight climate change by cleaning up the tar sands, shutting down coal-fired power plants, and converting to wind and solar power.

Notley also forecast an eventual future beyond fossil fuels – a dramatic change for Alberta - and a track that has put her on a collision course with Canada’s conservative prime minister, Stephen Harper.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/30/no-long-term-future-in-tar-sands-alberta-rachel-notley (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/30/no-long-term-future-in-tar-sands-alberta-rachel-notley)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 05, 2015, 06:32:08 PM
The U.S. Republican Party stands alone in climate denial
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A paper published in the journal Politics and Policy by Sondre Båtstrand at the University of Bergen in Norway compared the climate positions of conservative political parties around the world. Båtstrand examined the platforms or manifestos of the conservative parties from the USA, UK, Norway, Sweden, Spain, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and Germany. He found that the US Republican Party stands alone in its rejection of the need to tackle climate change and efforts to become the party of climate supervillains.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/oct/05/the-republican-party-stands-alone-in-climate-denial (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/oct/05/the-republican-party-stands-alone-in-climate-denial)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 14, 2015, 04:32:44 PM
The first debate of the Democratic U.S. Presidential candidates was last night.

It's Wonderful to Watch Democrats Compete Over Climate Change
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Climate change has officially entered prime-time politics. In the initial moments of this year's first Democratic presidential primary debate, four of the five candidates raised the issue in their opening statements—a stark contrast not only to the Republican candidates, who hardly mentioned climate change at all in their two debates to date, but also to previous election cycles. In the past, climate change has barely rated more than a passing mention from candidates of either party. At best, it's been presented as part of a laundry list of issues facing America and the world. But now the Democratic candidates have at long last internalized it as a central part of their platforms, and that came through on Tuesday night.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/123112/its-wonderful-watch-democrats-compete-over-climate-change (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/123112/its-wonderful-watch-democrats-compete-over-climate-change)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 21, 2015, 02:33:28 AM
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Canada has ousted its incumbent Prime Minister Stephen Harper after nine years at the top, electing Liberal Justin Trudeau in a landmark federal election result that has raised hopes of a change in the country's climate change policy.
http://m.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2431207/canadas-new-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-raises-hope-for-climate-turnaround (http://m.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2431207/canadas-new-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-raises-hope-for-climate-turnaround)

BUT...

Trudeau victory may not signal a U-turn in Canada's climate policy
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/20/trudeau-victory-not-signal-u-turn-canadas-climate-policy (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/20/trudeau-victory-not-signal-u-turn-canadas-climate-policy)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 21, 2015, 04:24:01 AM
Bernie Sanders Calls for Federal Probe Into Alleged Climate Science Malfeasance by Exxon
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The Exxon allegations could also prove to be a wedge issue in the Democratic presidential primaries, where Sanders is currently mounting an upstart campaign against frontrunner Hillary Clinton. Lee Fang, an investigative journalist with the Intercept, tweeted on Tuesday that top Clinton fundraisers also lobby for Exxon. Clinton hasn’t yet called for an investigation into Exxon’s climate science activities

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/20/bernie_sanders_wants_exxon_federal_climate_probe.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/20/bernie_sanders_wants_exxon_federal_climate_probe.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 04, 2015, 07:30:41 PM
Dropping fossil fuels INCREASES investment returns
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...if you take the S&P 500, and remove companies that are among the Carbon Underground 200 (companies that have the largest as-yet-untapped reserves of coal, oil, and gas), replacing some of them to maintain a balanced portfolio, your investment returns can be higher than they’d have been if you stayed on the business-as-usual path.  Applying this criteria to the past ten years, you’d have earned about an extra 1% per year.
http://www.resilientinvestor.com/dropping-fossil-fuels-increases-investment-returns/ (http://www.resilientinvestor.com/dropping-fossil-fuels-increases-investment-returns/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 11, 2015, 02:55:48 AM
Bernie Sanders says he opposes Bakken oil pipeline
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/11/10/bernie-sanders-says-he-opposes-bakken-oil-pipeline/75534380/ (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/11/10/bernie-sanders-says-he-opposes-bakken-oil-pipeline/75534380/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 14, 2015, 02:56:11 AM
Hillary Clinton Agrees: We Need a 100 Percent Clean Energy Future
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jessy-tolkan/hillary-clinton-agrees-we-need-a-100-percent-clean-energy-future_b_8548416.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jessy-tolkan/hillary-clinton-agrees-we-need-a-100-percent-clean-energy-future_b_8548416.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 24, 2015, 03:09:54 AM
Sanders: 'To hell with the fossil fuel industry’
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“When you have people like the Koch brothers and ExxonMobil today spending huge amounts of money trying to deny that reality, it slows up the entire world from aggressively addressing what is an international crisis,” he said late last month. "This is serious stuff.”
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/261019-sanders-to-hell-with-the-fossil-fuel-industry (http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/261019-sanders-to-hell-with-the-fossil-fuel-industry)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 25, 2015, 01:46:12 AM
Europe’s largest insurer Allianz to pull funds from coal
German company holding €2 trillion worth in assets said it will shift an estimated €4 billion into clean energy.
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The financial giant is the largest asset manager yet to announce its departure from the most polluting fossil fuel.

It follows French counterpart Axa, which in May committed to sell €500 million worth of coal holdings, and Norway’s $900 billion sovereign wealth fund.

An estimated US$2.6 trillion worth of funds had committed to fully or partially divest from fossil fuels by September.
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2015/11/24/europes-largest-insurer-allianz-to-pull-funds-from-coal/ (http://www.climatechangenews.com/2015/11/24/europes-largest-insurer-allianz-to-pull-funds-from-coal/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 25, 2015, 04:15:35 AM
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@billmckibben: Dandy Al Jazeera @AJEnglish special on divestment movement. Which, btw is going a lot better than we ever imagined https://t.co/46e5gC4zf3

https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/669351911578075136

Earthrise - Take the Power Back
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rwjmF9vxKV4
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 25, 2015, 07:24:31 PM
Montreal Carbon Pledge
Mobilizing Investors to Account for Portfolio Carbon Footprints
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With the Montréal Carbon Pledge, investors pledge to measure and publicly disclose the carbon footprint of their investment portfolios on an annual basis. The Montréal Carbon Pledge allows investors (asset owners and investment managers) to formalize their commitments to the goals of the recently announced Portfolio Decarbonization Coalition, which will mobilize investors to measure, disclose and reduce their portfolio carbon footprints at the scale of $100 billion by the December 2015 UN Climate Change Conference.

To meet the requirements of the Montréal Carbon Pledge, signatories must annually measure the carbon footprint of an equities portfolio, or portion thereof. The Montréal Carbon Pledge also considers the carbon footprint of other asset classes, including private equity. Disclosure can be done through a website, annual report, sustainability report, responsible investment report or other publicly visible client/beneficiary reporting channel.

The pledge is open to all asset owners and investment managers – being a PRI signatory is not needed. The commitments these investors make will allow the investment community to compare an increasing amount of portfolios to global benchmarks, to identify priority areas and actions for reducing emissions and to track progress in making those reductions. Actions that investors take after measuring their carbon footprint vary, from  monitoring emissions regularly to ensure these are tracked and understood, to investing in low-carbon solutions, and integrating environmental analysis into mainstream investment processes.
http://newsroom.unfccc.int/8894 (http://newsroom.unfccc.int/8894)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 25, 2015, 07:32:34 PM
Fossil fuel companies risk wasting $2tn of investors' money, study says
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“Business history is littered with examples of incumbents – like Kodak and Blockbuster – who fail to see a transition coming,” said Anthony Hobley, chief executive of Carbon Tracker. “Our report offers these companies a warning [about] avoiding significant value destruction.”

For coal, the report found “it is the end of the road for expansion of the sector”, with no new coal mines required anywhere in the world if dangerous climate change is to be avoided.

“In the [2C] scenario, oil demand peaks around 2020,” found the report. “This means the oil sector does not need to continue to grow, which is inconsistent with the narrative of many companies.”

The second report is produced by Critical Resource, a firm that advises fossil fuel companies, and involved senior industry and climate figures, including former European climate commissioner Connie Hedegaard .

The report said “meeting [a 2C] target will result inevitably in steep declines in fossil fuel production over the coming decades” but that the “industry has so far generally been locked in defensive mode”. It added: “While most companies recognise the importance of climate change to their businesses, there is little evidence that most are altering their strategic plans.”
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/25/fossil-fuel-companies-risk-wasting-2tn-paris-climate-deal (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/25/fossil-fuel-companies-risk-wasting-2tn-paris-climate-deal)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 27, 2015, 07:54:36 PM
Bill Gates thinks the 1% should foot the bill for renewable energy, and he's offering the first $2B.
http://www.upworthy.com/bill-gates-thinks-the-1-should-foot-the-bill-for-renewable-energy-and-hes-offering-the-first-2b (http://www.upworthy.com/bill-gates-thinks-the-1-should-foot-the-bill-for-renewable-energy-and-hes-offering-the-first-2b)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 01, 2015, 02:39:18 PM
This New ETF Tracks the Green Version of the S&P 500
The S&P 500 is now available scrubbed of companies that own fossil fuel reserves.
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If you could scrub the carbon footprint from your S&P 500 exposure, would you?

That’s what a new exchange-traded fund attempts to do. The SPDR S&P 500 Fossil Fuel Free ETF (SPYX) is a greener version of the world’s first and largest ETF, the SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust (SPY). 

SPYX, which will be launched Dec. 1, is part of a growing trend in low-carbon investing, or lowering the carbon footprint of otherwise popular indexes. With $2.2 trillion worth of assets benchmarked to the S&P 500, there is no more popular index.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-30/this-new-etf-tracks-the-green-version-of-the-s-p-500 (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-30/this-new-etf-tracks-the-green-version-of-the-s-p-500)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 06, 2015, 06:35:36 PM
Editorial: On climate change, time to act is now
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The most important thing New Hampshire can do in the short run to combat global warming is replace 1st District Rep. Frank Guinta with someone capable of more than short-term, self-serving thinking.

The climate talks under way in Paris are indeed the last, best chance to bring the world’s nations together to reduce global warming to a level that doesn’t threaten life on much of the planet and guarantee mass migration and civil mayhem. An extreme view? Not according to the Pentagon, which called climate change the biggest threat to national security America faces.
http://mobile.concordmonitor.com/home/19819181-108/editorial-on-climate-change-time-to-act-is-now (http://mobile.concordmonitor.com/home/19819181-108/editorial-on-climate-change-time-to-act-is-now)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 07, 2015, 03:57:14 PM
Bernie Sanders Unveils Climate Plan
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Democratic presidential [candidate] Bernie Sanders rolled out an expansive climate plan Monday that aims to cut U.S. carbon emissions 80% by 2050 and create 10 million clean energy jobs.

To accomplish these goals, the 16-page plan takes a kitchen sink approach, including everything from a tax on carbon to a ban on fracking to a push for more walkable cities.

And beyond the environmental goals, the plan has a political one, too - to enfeeble the fossil fuel industry, whom Sanders says has "bribed politicians into ignoring [climate] science"
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-unveils-climate-plan-n475366 (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-unveils-climate-plan-n475366)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 15, 2015, 08:46:39 PM
Chicago Sun-Times editorial:  'Next president better be a climate change believer'

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The next U.S. president must be committed to ensuring our nation carries out its pledges and remains an leader in addressing climate change. Presidential candidates should be working day and night to sell the deal at home, building support for it now and long after President Barack Obama leaves office.

If the United States falls short, other nations will back out. But if the United States leads the way, as only our nation can, global warming can be checked.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/7/71/1178953/editorial-keep-momentum-going-addressing-climate-change (http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/7/71/1178953/editorial-keep-momentum-going-addressing-climate-change)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 20, 2015, 01:54:34 PM
Economic imperatives are starting to drive the fight against global warming, and that could be a game changer.
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Another conference speaker was Frederic Samama, the deputy head of institutional and sovereign clients at Amundi, one of the top asset management firms in Europe. Amundi was a founding member of the Portfolio Decarbonization Coalition, which now also includes massive global investors Allianz and ABP. The coalition has a total of 25 investors committed to gradually decarbonizing $600 billion in assets.

Samama’s presence signaled just how far energy sector investors have moved in recent decades toward building a cleaner economy.

“The big drivers of capital will be when we put a price on carbon or there is some incentive that will increase the potential return for a given risk,” said Lépinard. “When the policy makes it more attractive, then more money will flow.”
http://prospect.org/article/will-big-finance-join-fight-curb-global-warming (http://prospect.org/article/will-big-finance-join-fight-curb-global-warming)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 20, 2015, 03:42:31 PM
Obama Was His Best Dorky Dad Self on Running Wild With Bear Grylls
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/18/obama_on_running_wild_with_bear_grylls.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/18/obama_on_running_wild_with_bear_grylls.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Laurent on December 20, 2015, 05:41:18 PM
I think there should be many prices for carbon.

1) A price to remove the carbon from the atmosphere, based on the current price including everything in the process, mining, making... plus an economic multiplier x2 or x3
2) A price for the consumer which should be above the renewable electricity price to produce the same kwh.
3) A price for the producers, who extract, that one should be higher than the price to remove the carbon from the atmosphere. (It must stay in the ground)

The difference between the sell price and the producer price would go for science, helping the local organic electrical cells to lower the consumer price, extract the carbon from the atmosphere...

Something that does limit the quantity of energy used by each people like taking into account the ecological footprint that has to be in a perimeter. For example for town of 5000 people, if the average foot print is 3 hectare/person, then the town need 3 x 5000 = 15 000 hectare in the perimeter that it does control.

Because it is difficult and not energy efficient to produce everything on one spot, we could define different zones, one where 80% percent is produced within 10 Km etc...

We have a long way to go...
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 08, 2016, 08:45:00 PM
Innovative Microfinance Boosts Climate Action in Latin America & the Carribean
http://newsroom.unfccc.int/financial-flows/innovative-microfinance-boosts-climate-action-in-latin-america-the-carribean/ (http://newsroom.unfccc.int/financial-flows/innovative-microfinance-boosts-climate-action-in-latin-america-the-carribean/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 12, 2016, 09:34:46 PM
USA TODAY/Rock the Vote poll: Millennials' agenda for the next president
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/01/11/poll-millennials-agenda-president-rock-the-vote-republican-trump-sanders-democrat/78556154/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/01/11/poll-millennials-agenda-president-rock-the-vote-republican-trump-sanders-democrat/78556154/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 14, 2016, 02:39:21 PM
Obama Wants To Change The Way America Sells Its Coal And Oil
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“I’m going to push to change the way we manage our oil and coal resources, so that they better reflect the costs they impose on taxpayers and our planet,” Obama said. “That way, we put money back into those communities and put tens of thousands of Americans to work building a 21st century transportation system.”

Obama is talking about the fossil fuels that come out of publicly owned land — land owned by the federal government and set aside for recreation, wildlife, ranching, and, yes, energy development. In recent years, solar and wind farms have been constructed on public land — electricity was long ago deemed a public good — but continuing to develop coal and natural gas, particularly at below-market prices, goes against the climate actions the Obama Administration has fought for.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/01/13/3738934/obamas-last-climate-gasp/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/01/13/3738934/obamas-last-climate-gasp/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: citrine on January 15, 2016, 05:51:05 PM
Critique of Obama's State of the Union address re: climate and energy

The Limits and Missed Opportunities of Obama's Energy Legacy
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=15452 (http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=15452)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 18, 2016, 04:58:59 AM
Bernie Sanders on climate change during the Democratic presidential candidates debate tonight.
(2 minute video clip)
https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/688922505906528256 (https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/688922505906528256)


Here’s everything said about climate change at Thursday's Republican candidates debate  ::)
http://grist.org/article/heres-everything-said-about-climate-change-at-the-gop-debate/ (http://grist.org/article/heres-everything-said-about-climate-change-at-the-gop-debate/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 29, 2016, 07:40:47 PM
South Florida Is Sinking. Where Is Marco Rubio?
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South Florida business leaders and even many local Republican politicians are no longer in climate change denial. Now, deep in the fine print of resolutions and memoranda being passed around among the various task forces in the area, one sees the mantra “Elevate. Isolate. Relocate.” Abandonment of some parts of the community to water is now accepted as unavoidable. Even the most conservative estimates assume that a percentage of the next generation of Floridians will become internally displaced Americans, climate change refugees.

While panicking Miami policymakers are contemplating dire climate-related matters like the possibility of relocating people and infrastructure, Florida’s two presidential candidates are silent. Senator Marco Rubio and former Governor Jeb Bush have ignored the problem. Bush has no constituents to answer to anymore, but Rubio does. On the campaign trail, he brushes off questions about climate change by saying, “I’m not a scientist.” ....
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/05/marco-rubio-climate-change-denier-south-florida-flood-crisis-420326.html (http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/05/marco-rubio-climate-change-denier-south-florida-flood-crisis-420326.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 31, 2016, 05:13:20 PM
Copenhagen set to divest from fossil fuels
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Copenhagen’s mayor has announced plans to divest the city’s 6.9bn kroner (£700m) investment fund of all holdings in coal, oil and gas.

If his proposal is approved at a finance committee meeting next Tuesday, as expected, the Danish capital will become the country’s first investment fund to sell its stocks and bonds in fossil fuels.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/29/copenhagen-set-to-divest-from-fossil-fuels (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/29/copenhagen-set-to-divest-from-fossil-fuels)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 01, 2016, 04:06:42 PM
New U.S. ruling makes it more likely your retirement plan will offer socially responsible investments.
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Of the more than 1,200 401(k) plan participants and 300 eligible nonparticipants surveyed, 87 percent want investment options that align with their values and 82 percent would likely choose such an option if offered. Also, 55 percent of the nonparticipants said they'd be more likely to participate in their workplace plan if it offered an SRI option.

There are different terms used in the industry for socially responsible investments. The Labor Department calls them economically targeted investments, while some people talk about environmental, social and governance strategies. Regardless of the term, their commonality is an investment approach that examines a company's social or environmental practices instead of looking exclusively at its financial performance.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/01/want-a-more-ethical-401k-plan-new-ruling-may-help.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/01/want-a-more-ethical-401k-plan-new-ruling-may-help.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 01, 2016, 05:23:46 PM
Republican politics in the U.S.:  not so much a "Drive for Climate Change Action"; more like Highway Gridlock.

US elections 2016
Republicans reject climate change fears despite rebukes from scientists
Ted Cruz has presented ‘misleading’ information in the Senate, scientists say, while Marco Rubio rejects ‘destroying our economy’ – despite pleas for action coming from officials in his own state
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/01/republicans-ted-cruz-marco-rubio-climate-change-scientists (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/01/republicans-ted-cruz-marco-rubio-climate-change-scientists)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 02, 2016, 03:05:38 PM
We should be growing corn for food, not fuel.

What You Should Know About Ethanol and the Iowa Caucus
http://fortune.com/2016/02/01/ethanol-and-the-iowa-caucus/ (http://fortune.com/2016/02/01/ethanol-and-the-iowa-caucus/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 06, 2016, 07:41:30 PM
Hillary Clinton’s Leftward Shift on Climate
Helped along by both President Obama and Bernie Sanders, Clinton has broken her silence on fossil fuel extraction from public lands.
https://newrepublic.com/article/129316/hillary-clintons-leftward-shift-climate
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 07, 2016, 07:29:25 PM
Tweet from U.S. presidential candidate Bernie Sanders:

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The U.S. needs to lead the international community in fighting climate change to maintain our economic strength and global security.
https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/696376390854144001
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 07, 2016, 07:52:08 PM
South Florida Representatives create a bipartisan caucus in the U.S. House to act on climate change effects.  But Florida senator and presidential candidate Marco Rubio is nowhere to be seen.

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They’ve created a “Climate Solutions Caucus” in the House to “explore policy options that address the impacts, causes, and challenges of our changing climate,” according to House filings quoted last week by Citizens’ Climate Lobby.

Here’s the mission: “The Caucus will serve as an organization to educate members on economically-viable options to reduce climate risk and protect our nation’s economy, security, infrastructure, agriculture, water supply and public safety.”
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/as-rubio-waffles-two-floridians-in-the-house-seek-bipartisan-climate-progress/ (http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/as-rubio-waffles-two-floridians-in-the-house-seek-bipartisan-climate-progress/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 09, 2016, 04:30:34 PM
Climate Change Keeps Coming Up At GOP Campaign Stops -- And People Are Clapping
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MANCHESTER, N.H. -- When Dan Kipnis stood up and asked Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) about his plan to address climate change, he thought he might face some angry audience members who didn't like his question. He was shocked to instead find people clapping for him.

"I thought I'd get some boos or something like that," the 65-year-old retired fishing boat captain from Miami Beach told The Huffington Post after Rubio's Sunday town hall in Londonderry. "But you know, these people up here in New Hampshire, they're pretty enlightened."

This event wasn't an isolated incident. Questions about climate change frequently come up at GOP town halls, even though it's an issue that the candidates rarely talk about unprompted and one that almost never comes up during debates.

Kipnis said he was also able to ask former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) a climate change question at a New Hampshire town hall, and he received a similar reception.

"I basically got a standing ovation," he said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gop-climate-change_us_56b8fdd8e4b08069c7a85a83? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gop-climate-change_us_56b8fdd8e4b08069c7a85a83?)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 11, 2016, 07:34:18 PM
From Self-Driving Cars To Clean Energy, Obama Lays Out His Plan For A Climate-Smart Economy
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President Obama sent his final budget proposal to Congress Tuesday, and there’s a lot in there for environmentalists to love. Of the $4.1 trillion in proposed spending, more than $47 billion would be spent on programs related to the environment and climate change, from expanding climate resilience to greening the nation’s transportation system.

“We have made great strides to foster a robust clean energy industry and move our economy away from energy sources that fuel climate change,” Obama wrote in his introduction to the budget, outlining advances that have been made in renewable energy in the past few years.

“Despite these advances,” Obama continued, “we can and must do more. Rather than shrinking from the challenge, America must foster the spirit of innovation to create jobs, build a climate-smart economy of the future, and protect the only planet we have.”

Most, if not all, of these budget proposals are unlikely to pass through a Republican controlled Congress, so the document is more of an outgoing presidential wish-list than a hard-and-fast road map for the future. Still, here’s a breakdown of just how Obama’s proposed budget would create a climate-smart economy and a more sustainable national infrastructure:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/02/10/3747630/obama-budget-environmental-proposals/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/02/10/3747630/obama-budget-environmental-proposals/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 12, 2016, 08:38:35 PM
Bernie and Hillary Have Major Differences on Climate. If Only the Debate Moderators Would Ask.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/02/12/bernie_sanders_and_hillary_clinton_differ_on_climate_change.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/02/12/bernie_sanders_and_hillary_clinton_differ_on_climate_change.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 18, 2016, 08:23:11 PM
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Ford has cut ties with the controversial lobby group Alec, joining a roster of big corporations that have distanced themselves from the rightwing network that promotes policies at the state level to counter environmental regulations.
...
Ford’s departure from the American Legislative Exchange Council puts it in league with other massive corporations that in recent months have concluded that association with the lobbying network is more trouble than it’s worth. Other big firms that have similarly broken connections include the technology companies Google, Facebook, eBay and Yelp, as well as the energy giants Shell and BP.
...
The Guardian revealed that part of the group’s anti-green agenda was to agitate to make it more difficult for homeowners to install solar panels.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/ford-quits-alec-lobby-conservative-environment (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/ford-quits-alec-lobby-conservative-environment)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 18, 2016, 09:03:17 PM
Republicans:  Hey, kids!  Do you like clean energy?  We do, too!  Sort of.  ;)

Republican Jay Faison Launches Super PAC to Boost Clean-Energy Candidates
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For Mr. Faison, the argument on behalf of forming a clean energy platform for the GOP is a political one. “We know the left is going to use this as a wedge issue in this election,” he said in an interview. “I’m dedicated to helping conservatives and the GOP go on the offense on this issue.” He said offering a conservative clean-energy platform would strengthen the party among key demographics, such as young voters.

Republican presidential candidates largely say they don’t oppose clean energy, just government policies that would support it – for example, tax credits for wind and solar power. On the stump, Republicans frequently deny the existence and importance of climate change and mock Democrats’ focus on the subject.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/02/17/republican-jay-faison-launches-super-pac-to-boost-clean-energy-candidates/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/02/17/republican-jay-faison-launches-super-pac-to-boost-clean-energy-candidates/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 01, 2016, 01:11:37 PM
Florida Democratic Representative Alan Grayson is running for Marco Rubio's seat in Congress.  He is also a Democratic party superdelegate.  He asked people to vote online to tell him how to use his superdelegate vote. 

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I’m a “superdelegate.” In July, at the Democratic Convention, I will be voting for one or the other. I’d like to know which one you think I should vote for, and why.
http://alangraysonemails.tumblr.com/post/139502786856/bernie-sanders-or-hillary-clinton-talk-to-me?is_related_post=1 (http://alangraysonemails.tumblr.com/post/139502786856/bernie-sanders-or-hillary-clinton-talk-to-me?is_related_post=1)

The result:

Now, after listening to We, the People, I feel the Bern.
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Perhaps inspired by the Bernie Sanders message of “Not me. Us.”, for the past several days, I have appealed to Democrats across the nation to tell me for whom I should vote, as a Super-delegate at the Democratic National Convention. The response has been absolutely overwhelming. Almost 400,000 Democrats voted at GraysonPrimary.com. More than the number who voted in the South Carolina primary. More than the number who voted in the New Hampshire primary and the Nevada caucus combined.

The results: Sanders 86%, Clinton 14%. More than just a landslide. An earthquake.
http://alangraysonemails.tumblr.com/post/140215957691/i-feel-the-bern (http://alangraysonemails.tumblr.com/post/140215957691/i-feel-the-bern)


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I hereby endorse @BernieSanders to be our Democratic nominee for President of the United States. #FeelTheBern alangraysonemails.tumblr.com/post/140215957…
https://twitter.com/alangrayson/status/704329402839121920 (https://twitter.com/alangrayson/status/704329402839121920)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 07, 2016, 04:52:51 PM
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Immediately, Bernie Sanders replied with a zinger: “My answer is a lot shorter. No. I do not support fracking.”
Hillary Clinton, Who Used to Sell Fracking Around the World, Denounces Fracking at Debate
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/06/demdebate_bernie_sanders_crushes_hillary_clinton_on_fracking.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/06/demdebate_bernie_sanders_crushes_hillary_clinton_on_fracking.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 07, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
New York State’s pension fund would have an additional $5.3bn to give to its retired employees if it had divested from fossil fuel companies and put that money into clean energy, according to a new report.
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The report’s findings are in step with market trends. A record-breaking $329.3bn was invested in renewable energy worldwide last year, while falling oil and gas prices have delayed $380bn worth of investments in deepwater and other projects.

“Clean energy indices have out-performed the market over the last year, three years, and five years,” said Brett Fleishman, senior analyst at 350.org, a climate policy advocacy group. “And clean energy indices have way out performed oil and gas indices over the last 12 months.”
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/mar/04/fossil-fuel-divestment-new-york-state-pension-fund-hurricane-sandy-ftse (http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/mar/04/fossil-fuel-divestment-new-york-state-pension-fund-hurricane-sandy-ftse)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 10, 2016, 03:30:50 PM
"Climate Hawks Vote" website asked its members to vote for which presidential candidate the Climate Hawks SuperPac should endorse.  Hillary Clinton provided a statement on her climate support bona fides, while Bernie Sanders said he would not comment because he does not request SuperPac help.

After 22,156 votes (scrutinized carefully for legitimacy), Bernie Sanders takes an extraordinary 92% of the vote!

Information about the vote:
THE ‘CLIMATE PRIMARY’: CLIMATE HAWKS VOTE LAUNCHES MEMBER-DRIVEN PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ENDORSEMENT VOTE
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We will campaign vigorously on your behalf to highlight the climate plans of your chosen candidate. Funds we raise will be used not on expensive television ads but on grassroots organizing and voter education. CHV will also continue to mobilize on behalf of our endorsed climate leaders down the ticket.
http://www.climatehawksvote.com/the_climate_primary_climate_hawks_vote_launches_member_driven_presidential_primary_endorsement_vote (http://www.climatehawksvote.com/the_climate_primary_climate_hawks_vote_launches_member_driven_presidential_primary_endorsement_vote)


Results page:  http://www.climatehawksvote.com/climate_primary_results (http://www.climatehawksvote.com/climate_primary_results)

@ClimateHawkVote
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: skanky on March 16, 2016, 02:29:15 PM
Breaking news, in today's budget, the UK chancellor...
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...announces tax cuts for the oil and gas industry. Petroleum revenue tax is effectively abolished...

...and...

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...is freezing fuel duty. He says the move means a £75 a year saving for the average driver.

Which jars with their recently stated aim to cut emissions to zero later this century. I guess "later" being the operative term.  ::)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-35783243 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-35783243)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 16, 2016, 03:03:03 PM
Breaking news, in today's budget, the UK chancellor...
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...announces tax cuts for the oil and gas industry. Petroleum revenue tax is effectively abolished...

...and...

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...is freezing fuel duty. He says the move means a £75 a year saving for the average driver.

Which jars with their recently stated aim to cut emissions to zero later this century. I guess "later" being the operative term.  ::)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-35783243 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-35783243)

Wondering, "Why would they do that?", I figured it had to be because the industry is floundering. 
And I found this:
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The North Sea oil industry has urged the chancellor to hand it a rescue package of tax breaks in next week’s budget, warning that the sector is “fighting hard for its survival” amid rock-bottom prices.

The lobby group Oil & Gas UK said about 14bn barrels of an estimated 20bn barrels of oil lying beneath the UK continental shelf in the North Sea would not be extracted unless conditions for the industry improved.

Economics director Mike Tholen said this could result in a decline in production that “puts at risk hundreds of thousands of skilled jobs, billions of pounds of tax revenues and the UK’s energy security”.
North Sea oil industry calls for rescue package of tax breaks in budget
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/mar/08/north-sea-oil-industry-calls-for-rescue-package-of-tax-breaks-in-budget (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/mar/08/north-sea-oil-industry-calls-for-rescue-package-of-tax-breaks-in-budget)


We seem to be aoproaching the last gasp of the fossil fuel industry.  Even tax cuts won't save all those jobs.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 21, 2016, 12:55:27 AM
I guess that some bipartisan US Congressional action on climate change is better than nothing:

http://www.newsweek.com/climate-change-bipartisanship-450151 (http://www.newsweek.com/climate-change-bipartisanship-450151)

Extract: "In a historic first, a small group of House Republicans and Democrats will convene Wednesday morning in Washington, D.C., to talk about climate change, as members of the newly formed Bipartisan Climate Solutions Caucus."

See also:
http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060035831 (http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060035831)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 21, 2016, 05:04:03 PM
Good news and some bad news here.

Senate Passes Legislation Tailored to a Modern Energy Landscape
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The Senate on Wednesday passed the first broad energy bill since the George W. Bush administration, a bipartisan measure to better align the nation’s oil, gas and electricity systems with the changing ways that power is produced in the United States.

The bill, approved 85 to 12, united Republicans and Democrats around a traditionally divisive issue — energy policy — largely by avoiding the hot-button topics of climate change and oil and gas exploration that have thwarted other measures.

Its authors, Senators Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, chairwoman of the Senate Energy Committee, and Maria Cantwell of Washington, the panel’s ranking Democrat, purposely stepped away from any sweeping efforts to solve or fundamentally change the nation’s core energy challenges.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/us/politics/senate-passes-broad-bill-to-modernize-energy-infrastructure.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/us/politics/senate-passes-broad-bill-to-modernize-energy-infrastructure.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 22, 2016, 11:54:18 PM
With the US suicide rate on the rise (see attached plot), it may be difficult to get many US politicians to support action on climate change:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/health/us-suicide-rate-surges-to-a-30-year-high.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/health/us-suicide-rate-surges-to-a-30-year-high.html?_r=0)

Extract: "Suicide in the United States has surged to the highest levels in nearly 30 years, a federal data analysis has found, with increases in every age group except older adults. The rise was particularly steep for women. It was also substantial among middle-aged Americans, sending a signal of deep anguish from a group whose suicide rates had been stable or falling since the 1950s.
The suicide rate for middle-aged women, ages 45 to 64, jumped by 63 percent over the period of the study, while it rose by 43 percent for men in that age range, the sharpest increase for males of any age. The overall suicide rate rose by 24 percent from 1999 to 2014, according to the National Center for Health Statistics, which released the study on Friday."

See also:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 27, 2016, 02:43:12 AM
Senate votes to increase wind energy funding
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The Senate passed an amendment Tuesday that would keep funding for wind energy research and development at its current level and restore a cut that appropriators had put into their bill.

The amendment, from Sens. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), would provide $95.4 million for the Department of Energy’s wind program, up from the $80 million in the bill proposed by Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.).

Alexander, chairman of the subcommittee that oversees energy and water spending bill, is a frequent critic of wind energy, which he says gets too much government assistance and should compete on its own.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/277669-senate-votes-to-increase-wind-energy-funding (http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/277669-senate-votes-to-increase-wind-energy-funding)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 29, 2016, 08:48:05 PM
U.S.:  These Republican Lawmakers Are Turning To Climate Action To Help Keep Their Seats
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For most Senate Republicans, climate change is an anathema: 70 percent of Republicans in the Senate deny the scientific consensus that climate change is happening and humans are the main cause.

But a growing number of liberal and moderate Republican voters are concerned about climate change and want their elected officials to reflect that concern. And that leaves Republicans in tight campaigns for reelection with an interesting choice: embrace climate action, long seen as a liberal stance, or risk losing crucial voters.

Some Republicans have already made that choice — and they’re pivoting toward the center on climate policy. Early this week, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) filed an amendment to the 2017 energy bill specifying that climate change is real and that human activity contributes to the problem. Notably, the amendment fails to quantify how much of a role humans play in climate change, but it does state that Congress has a responsibility in taking actions to cut greenhouse gas emissions and support clean-energy technology.

The amendment was co-sponsored by four Republican senators — Mark Kirk (IL), Kelly Ayotte (NH), Susan Collins (ME) and Rob Portman (OH). Three of those senators — Kirk, Ayotte, and Portman — are currently running tight campaigns for reelection against opponents that tout strong records in environment and climate policy among their accomplishments.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/04/28/3773402/republican-senators-embrace-climate/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/04/28/3773402/republican-senators-embrace-climate/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on April 30, 2016, 03:32:38 PM
Need much more of this.

Two senators want the U.S. to start selling war bonds — to fight climate change
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What if we fought climate change with the same commitment we fight wars? The Green Party’s Jill Stein and Al Gore have long argued for a World War II-scale mobilization to fight climate change, and on Wednesday, two senators introduced a bill — the Climate Change Adapt America Bond Act — that’s the most concrete realization of this concept yet.

Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) propose issuing up to $200 million worth of infrastructure bonds to raise funds for climate change adaptation efforts like seawall construction, desalination, and drought resilience programs. The bill would leverage public interest to fend off the climate menace, modeled after the U.S. War Bonds program from World War II.
http://grist.org/news/two-senators-want-to-start-selling-war-bonds-to-fight-climate-change/ (http://grist.org/news/two-senators-want-to-start-selling-war-bonds-to-fight-climate-change/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 06, 2016, 07:32:25 PM
Washington, D.C., announces divestment of $6.4 billion pension fund from coal, oil and gas companies
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WASHINGTON, D.C. – The District of Columbia government announced Monday that its $6.4 billion pension fund has fully divested from its direct investments in 200 of the world’s most polluting fossil fuel companies. In doing so, Washington, D.C. has taken a critical step toward addressing climate change, joining the more than 500 cities, philanthropic organizations, faith groups, universities, and other organizations that have divested funds worth a collective $3.4 trillion.
http://dcdivest.org/2016/06/06/dc-divests-pension-fund-oil-gas-coal-companies/ (http://dcdivest.org/2016/06/06/dc-divests-pension-fund-oil-gas-coal-companies/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 08, 2016, 03:53:22 PM
Will This Retired Lawyer Open the Floodgates of Divestment From Fossil Fuels?
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His proposal calls for a legal reinterpretation of what constitutes prudent management of institutional funds now that the investment landscape is filled with new risks for fossil fuel investors.

With the world heading toward zero carbon emissions after the signing of the Paris agreement, Longstreth thinks it's time for some fresh guidance.

To that end, he's working channels to convince various attorneys general to spell out those risks in an "interpretive release," and offer guidance on how to handle them. He thinks the attorneys general of New York, Massachusetts and California will be most receptive to his proposal.
...
ICN: Let's say the Massachusetts attorney general issues an interpretive release along these lines, does it immediately put pressure on Harvard and MIT to divest from fossil fuels, for example?

Longstreth: Yes, it's addressed directly to them. It's like a telephone call directly to Drew Faust [the president of Harvard] saying, 'hey, you are subject to the law we administer and enforce, and here's what we think it means in regard to your portfolio of fossil fuel companies.'

And then by indirection it would apply to Stanford and the University of Texas, and Princeton University, even though they are in other states, because the law is uniform. And you'll influence the SEC, because again they'll be caught with their pants down, doing nothing, when they ought to be leading the charge.
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/07062016/retired-lawyer-boris-longstreth-floodgates-divestment-fossil-fuels-climate-change-investments (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/07062016/retired-lawyer-boris-longstreth-floodgates-divestment-fossil-fuels-climate-change-investments)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: 12Patrick on June 08, 2016, 09:12:39 PM
Thus far ALL climate change actions are to slow...
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 10, 2016, 02:19:58 AM
Clinton Claims Nomination, Blasts Trump on Climate
The first female U.S. presidential candidate will use global warming as an election issue
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"We believe we need to make America the clean energy superpower of the 21st century, not insist that climate change is a hoax," Clinton said.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/clinton-claims-nomination-blasts-trump-on-climate/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/clinton-claims-nomination-blasts-trump-on-climate/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: sidd on June 10, 2016, 08:53:43 AM
Here's some Climate Change Action, and Money and Politics. Right on time, rich people paying the rulers of poor people to shoot em at the border as they flee. Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani.

"  ... part of Europe’s migration policy in Africa has set off alarm bells ... Europe’s dealings with repressive dictatorships in Sudan and Eritrea that have raised the concerns of human rights and humanitarian groups. "

" ...the Eritrean regime tries to stop people fleeing the country with a shoot-to-kill policy on its borders ..."

I am trying, and failing,  to imagine West Germany paying East Germany to build the Berlin Wall. Ah, but that was different, I hear apologists say.

I fear this, and worse to come. But of course it is much easier than cutting back on fossil consumption ... for now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/eu-migration-eritrea-sudan_us_5759a90ae4b0e39a28acd632 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/eu-migration-eritrea-sudan_us_5759a90ae4b0e39a28acd632)

sidd
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: anti-revisionism on June 10, 2016, 11:26:59 AM
sidd, from that same article

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Countries who do not cooperate will face consequences, the document warns. “Those countries who ... work with us will get certain treatment,” an EU official elaborated following its release. “Those who don’t want to or are incapable will get different treatment and that will be translated via our development, trade policies.”

 :o

Poor countries if you do not obey, we will crush you, sincerily, your masters

p.s. also a lotta lies about eritrea in that article  >:(
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 29, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
Science Organizations Again Urge Congress to Take Climate Change Seriously
The letter, signed by many major American groups, pushes back against climate denial and calls for policy solutions to cut greenhouse gas emissions.
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Thirty-one major American scientific organizations sent a letter to Congress on Tuesday emphasizing the overwhelming consensus on climate change science and the urgent need for climate action. The letter served as a scientific counterpoint to recent actions by Congress designed to question that consensus.
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/28062016/science-organizations-again-urge-congress-take-climate-change-seriously-lamar-smith-science-committee (http://insideclimatenews.org/news/28062016/science-organizations-again-urge-congress-take-climate-change-seriously-lamar-smith-science-committee)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 30, 2016, 02:44:50 PM
Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe plans to sidestep legislature and address climate change
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Gov. Terry McAuliffe plans to bypass state legislators to address climate change by reducing carbon emissions from Virginia power plants.

McAuliffe signed an executive order Tuesday directing state agencies to deliver concrete recommendations for the carbon reductions by next spring.

The move puts him at odds with state lawmakers, who in the state budget specifically prohibited any spending related to the federal Clean Power Plan for reducing power plant carbon emissions while it is being challenged in the U.S. Supreme Court.
http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/article_fff96c88-e59e-53ea-ae20-113d3c471f9a.html (http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/article_fff96c88-e59e-53ea-ae20-113d3c471f9a.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 30, 2016, 03:42:16 PM
University System of Maryland to direct its endowment away from fossil fuels
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The foundation that oversees the state university system's $1 billion endowment said Tuesday that it will stop investing directly in coal, oil and natural gas companies — a victory for a student-led movement to direct more of the portfolio toward clean energy.

The University System of Maryland Foundation, which helps fund scholarships, endowed professorships and more, said it would sign on to a United Nations pledge to be more socially aware in its investments, and appoint a staff person to identify opportunities in renewable energy.

"It's because of the students and the positions they took that caused us to focus on it this year," said Leonard Raley, president and CEO of the foundation. "But the world is changing and we're paying attention to it. We're concerned about climate change and I think the actions that our foundation took reflect that."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/bs-md-usmf-divestment-20160628-story.html (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/bs-md-usmf-divestment-20160628-story.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 30, 2016, 08:25:40 PM
UK assigns climate skeptic to head climate change committee

UKIP to chair assembly climate change committee despite scepticism
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Wales Green Party leader Alice Hooker-Stroud said putting a UKIP politician in charge of a climate change committee was "absolutely ridiculous".

"It makes a complete mockery of Welsh politics and today I am ashamed to be governed by a group that could make this decision," she said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-36651136 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-36651136)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 05, 2016, 04:46:42 PM
Fossil Fuel Industry in Denial on Divestment
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The main repository of industry pushback is DivestmentFacts.com, which endeavors to “educate” the public about the facts of divestment...as told by the Independent Petroleum Association of America. Given that their similar project to defend fracking, Energy in Depth, is not only funded by Big Oil, but also guilty of relying on shoddy pseudo-science, it’s unlikely anyone legitimate will take its claims seriously. But the fact that they’ve gone to the trouble of setting up a website demonstrates that they’re growing increasingly worried by the movement’s successes.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/5/1545210/-Fossil-Fuel-Industry-in-Denial-on-Divestment (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/5/1545210/-Fossil-Fuel-Industry-in-Denial-on-Divestment)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 10, 2016, 04:16:07 AM
U.S. Democratic Party Platform
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Eric Holthaus: If what I think happened just happened, it's a watershed moment in US climate politics. "All of the above" is dead.
https://twitter.com/ericholthaus/status/751956207280107520

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Brad Johnson:  "I hope our brothers and sisters in the media are taking note of this moment." @BenJealous #climate #DemPlatform
https://twitter.com/climatebrad/status/751954409131806720

Video:
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.@joshfoxfilm's full statement before the unity amendment #FeelTheBern #DemPlatform
https://twitter.com/people4bernie/status/751953929013858304

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Brad Johnson:  Read the unity climate amendment that just passed unanimously: #DemPlatform #climate
https://twitter.com/climatebrad/status/751955725585412096
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: silkman on July 10, 2016, 10:36:08 AM
UK assigns climate skeptic to head climate change committee

UKIP to chair assembly climate change committee despite scepticism
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Wales Green Party leader Alice Hooker-Stroud said putting a UKIP politician in charge of a climate change committee was "absolutely ridiculous".

"It makes a complete mockery of Welsh politics and today I am ashamed to be governed by a group that could make this decision," she said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-36651136 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-36651136)


Sigmetnow, this story fortunately relates to the Welsh Assembly, not Westminster.

That said, anything is possible should the increasingly odious Andrea Leadsom become our next Prime Minister with the support of the climate sceptic right wing of the Tory party!

Wales, of course, is a country the size of, well, Wales😊. However, they did unlike England, get to the semi-finals of the EURO 2016 football tournament, just edging out the mighty Iceland in the process.

Good things sometimes come in small parcels, it seems.

In the post Brexit gloom here, just 35 miles from the Welsh border, we could do with some good things right now.


Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 10, 2016, 01:09:39 PM
Silkman wrote:  "Sigmetnow, this story fortunately relates to the Welsh Assembly, not Westminster.”


Thank you for the clarification! 

Smaller entities (cities, states, countries) often surprise us with their goals and successes.  A little protest can go a long way.  ;)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 10, 2016, 04:53:33 PM
Re comment #498 above:

Bill McKibben: 
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The Democratic energy platform is essentially the opposite of what Obama's done the last 8 years. Because science changes, policy must too
https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/751954114028957697

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No more all of the above. No more bridge to the future. Sun and wind are now above natural gas
https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/751952026217619460
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: skanky on July 14, 2016, 05:45:32 PM
UK assigns climate skeptic to head climate change committee

UKIP to chair assembly climate change committee despite scepticism
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Wales Green Party leader Alice Hooker-Stroud said putting a UKIP politician in charge of a climate change committee was "absolutely ridiculous".

"It makes a complete mockery of Welsh politics and today I am ashamed to be governed by a group that could make this decision," she said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-36651136 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-36651136)


Sigmetnow, this story fortunately relates to the Welsh Assembly, not Westminster.

That said, anything is possible should the increasingly odious Andrea Leadsom become our next Prime Minister with the support of the climate sceptic right wing of the Tory party!

Wales, of course, is a country the size of, well, Wales😊. However, they did unlike England, get to the semi-finals of the EURO 2016 football tournament, just edging out the mighty Iceland in the process.

Good things sometimes come in small parcels, it seems.

In the post Brexit gloom here, just 35 miles from the Welsh border, we could do with some good things right now.

Things change quickly, but the latest is that, with May's new cabinet, DECC no longer exists and instead Energy has now become part of the Business department, while Leadsome is the Environment minister. Something tells me that neither of those will be positive moves. :/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 21, 2016, 01:47:23 AM
U.S.:  Amazing to think (Republican) conservatives used to strongly support conservation. President Nixon created the EPA!

Republican platform, which calls coal ‘clean’, would reverse decades of U.S. energy and climate policy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/07/19/gop-platform-which-calls-coal-clean-would-utterly-reverse-decades-of-u-s-energy-and-climate-policy/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/07/19/gop-platform-which-calls-coal-clean-would-utterly-reverse-decades-of-u-s-energy-and-climate-policy/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 23, 2016, 08:50:57 PM
Hillary Clinton has chosen former Virginia governor Tim Kaine to run as her Vice President.  He has fought for the environment -- but has also supported off-shore drilling and natural gas.

Hillary Clinton's Choice of Kaine as VP Tilts Ticket Toward Political Center
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Hillary Clinton's choice of Sen. Tim Kaine as her running mate was largely considered a safe political choice, adding a moderate Democrat from the swing state of Virginia to her ticket. Kaine has mostly shared Clinton's views on climate and clean energy, but his selection unsettled those who wanted a vice president with more appeal to ardent environmentalists who flocked to Bernie Sanders' campaign.

Groups like the Sierra Club and the League of Conservation came out strongly in his support, but others such as 350.org and Climate Hawks Vote were more skeptical. The latter summed up its view in one terse, laconic word: "Meh."

According to the green group 350.org, "Tim Kaine won't energize the climate base, so it's up to Hillary to start staking out some clearer positions."

The League of Conservation Voters, however, celebrated the decision, calling Kaine "an environmental leader." The Sierra Club called it "the strongest environmental ticket we've ever seen."
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"Kaine has not yet earned the support of climate voters," said RL Miller, cofounder of Climate Hawks Vote, in a statement. "Kaine might be a fledgling climate hawk - this month he participated in the Web of Denial speech-a-thon, calling out the fossil-fuel industry's decades of climate deception. But Kaine needs to stop advocating for clean coal, fracked gas, and offshore oil, and start advocating for clean solar and offshore wind, if he wants the United States to be the clean energy superpower of the world."
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22072016/hillary-clinton’s-choice-kaine-vp-tilts-ticket-toward-political-center (https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22072016/hillary-clinton’s-choice-kaine-vp-tilts-ticket-toward-political-center)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 26, 2016, 03:25:52 PM
Fossil Fuel Money Still a Dry Well for Trump Campaign
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Six weeks after Trump appeared before petroleum producers in North Dakota and made a speech that seemed tailor-made to win their support, the fossil fuel industry appears to remain on the sidelines in the presidential campaign.

Trump promised to scrap the Obama administration's climate plan and environmental regulations, open up federal lands to drilling, and revive the Keystone XL pipeline project—themes echoed in the GOP platform. Still, the oil and gas industry, historically a top backer of GOP presidential candidates, had forked over relatively little by the end of June to Trump's campaign or to the Super PACs that support him, financial disclosures filed late Wednesday night show.
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Another factor dampening giving: They don't think he's going to win. They don't want to be seen pouring money into Trump's campaign, and then be left with Hillary Clinton in charge.
...
... Charles Koch told a business conference that a contest between Trump and Clinton would be like a "choice between cancer and a heart attack."
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22072016/donald-trump-fossil-fuel-campaign-contributions-republican-oil-money (https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22072016/donald-trump-fossil-fuel-campaign-contributions-republican-oil-money)


Also:
Mike Pence considers bailing on Koch summit
Trump’s running mate had planned to appear at a Koch brothers’ donor gathering, but now might cancel.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/mike-pence-koch-summit-trump-226165 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/mike-pence-koch-summit-trump-226165)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 26, 2016, 10:07:42 PM
Democratic Platform Calls For WWII-Scale Mobilization To Solve Climate Crisis
By Joe Romm
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This month, the full Democratic Platform Committee approved the strongest statement about the urgent need for climate action ever issued by a major party in this country.
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[The Democratic Party] has finally embraced the blunt — and scientifically accurate — language of climate hawks as to what those measures actually entail:

We believe the United States must lead in forging a robust global solution to the climate crisis. We are committed to a national mobilization, and to leading a global effort to mobilize nations to address this threat on a scale not seen since World War II. In the first 100 days of the next administration, the President will convene a summit of the world’s best engineers, climate scientists, policy experts, activists, and indigenous communities to chart a course to solve the climate crisis.

James Hansen, America’s leading climatologist, and his colleagues have been make such a call for a while. In 2008, in The Open Atmospheric Science Journal, they explain why the effort needed is “herculean, yet feasible when compared with the efforts that went into World War II.” So have activists like 350.org founder, Bill McKibben. McKibben is on the 15-member Platform Drafting Committee — as is Neera Tanden, who is President and CEO of the Center for American Progress (CAP) and the CAP Action Fund (where I have worked for 10 years), and as is Carol Browner, who is a former EPA Administrator and on the CAP Board.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/07/22/3801094/democratic-platform-climate-wwii-mobilization/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/07/22/3801094/democratic-platform-climate-wwii-mobilization/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 27, 2016, 04:50:43 PM
Carbon Brief has collected the climate and energy views of the candidates, their vice presidents, their energy advisors and their parties’ platforms in an interactive grid. This will be constantly updated as the election approaches:
https://www.carbonbrief.org/us-election-tracker-republicans-democrats-energy-climate (https://www.carbonbrief.org/us-election-tracker-republicans-democrats-energy-climate)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 29, 2016, 03:42:20 AM
Article and TED Talk video.

Voting With Our Dollars And Investing In Change
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“Today we have more choices and more opportunity to make our voices heard than ever before,” says Audrey Choi, head of Morgan Stanley’s Institute for Sustainable Investing. And collectively, we have the power to change the way companies and other institutions approach environmental, social and governance (ESG) issues. Finance, she says, “can be one of the most powerful forces for positive social change at our disposal – if we ask it to be.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/morganstanley/2016/06/06/voting-with-our-dollars-and-investing-in-change/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/morganstanley/2016/06/06/voting-with-our-dollars-and-investing-in-change/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 30, 2016, 08:11:31 PM
The Houston Chronicle, in the heart of Oil Country in a deeply Republican State, endorses Democrat Hillary Clinton for president, on every issue they examine.

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We could go on with issues, including her plans for sensible gun safety and for combatting terrorism - her policy positions are laid out in detail on her campaign web site - but issues in this election are almost secondary to questions of character and trustworthiness. We reject the "cartoon version" of Hillary Clinton (again to borrow her husband's phrase) in favor of a presidential candidate who has the temperament, the ability and the experience to lead this nation.
http://www.chron.com/opinion/recommendations/article/For-Hillary-Clinton-8650345.php (http://www.chron.com/opinion/recommendations/article/For-Hillary-Clinton-8650345.php)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: wili on July 31, 2016, 11:10:56 PM
"The Houston Chronicle, in the heart of Oil Country in a deeply Republican State, endorses Democrat Hillary Clinton for president, on every issue they examine."

...which suggests, does it not, that she is now essentially a Republican (or at least what would have up until a few months ago been recognizable as a mainstream Republican)?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 01, 2016, 02:14:32 AM
"The Houston Chronicle, in the heart of Oil Country in a deeply Republican State, endorses Democrat Hillary Clinton for president, on every issue they examine."

...which suggests, does it not, that she is now essentially a Republican (or at least what would have up until a few months ago been recognizable as a mainstream Republican)?

I would say it is more that the Houston Chronicle is leaning more Democratic.  :D

There are a couple issues (Wall Street, fracking) important to Republicans where Hillary Clinton is not yet fully aligned with the Democratic playbook.  But I don't think anyone would call her Republican, in any sense of the word.  My hope is that she is hanging onto those issues in order to be acceptable to enough Republicans to get their vote in November -- then will progress to the Democratic party line.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: sidd on August 01, 2016, 05:52:28 AM
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 11, 2016, 02:48:54 PM
Citizens Climate Lobby:  Want climate action? Tweet your reps to join the bipartisan U.S. Congress Climate Solutions Caucus  http://citizensclimatelobby.org/climate-solutions-caucus/ (http://citizensclimatelobby.org/climate-solutions-caucus/)

https://twitter.com/citizensclimate/status/763540508065067008 (https://twitter.com/citizensclimate/status/763540508065067008)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 11, 2016, 05:30:32 PM
Washington D.C. Pension Fund Announces Full Fossil Fuel Divestment
The nation's capital had pledged to make its largest public pension fund's $6.4 billion in investments more socially responsible.
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The largest public pension fund in Washington, D.C. has purged its $6.4 billion fund of all direct holdings in fossil fuels, city council members and climate activists announced Monday.

The District of Columbia Retirement Board (DCRB) spent the last few years quietly selling off $6.5 million in oil, natural gas and coal investments, amounting to a mere one-tenth of 1 percent of the organization's total holdings, but made the public announcement at a press conference on Monday.

While other American cities including San Francisco have pledged to clear their pension funds of fossil fuels, Washington D.C. may be the largest fund in the nation to complete this step, though the amount divested was small. The DCRB joins more than 500 cities, philanthropies, universities and other organizations worldwide with assets totaling more than $3.4 trillion that have divested from at least some fossil fuels or pledged to do so.

"This is a decision that is morally and ethically the right thing" from a climate perspective, said D.C. council member Charles Allen at a recent press conference. "It is also financially the right thing," he added.

Some of the companies culled from the D.C. pension fund include Peabody Energy and Arch Coal, which both filed for bankruptcy this year, as well as ExxonMobil Inc., an oil giant being investigated by several attorneys general for possibly misleading the public and shareholders on the business risks associated with climate change.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/06062016/washington-dc-pension-fund-announces-divestment
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 13, 2016, 03:20:35 PM
Hillary Clinton's climate army
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Hillary Clinton has assembled a virtual army of formal and informal advisers on energy, the environment and climate change — and the names on the list indicate she fully aims to continue President Barack Obama's push to green the economy and take on global warming.

The team of nearly 100 informal advisers, who have spent the past year compiling recommendations on everything from chemical safety and Everglades restoration to nuclear power and climate finance, includes holdovers from the Obama administration such as former White House advisers Carol Browner and Heather Zichal.

Besides offering a rough picture of who might claim high-level jobs in her administration, the massive collection of Clinton advisers contrasts sharply with Trump's campaign, which is relying on just a few outside experts such as Oklahoma oilman Harold Hamm to help chart his energy agenda.
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Along with climate change, the campaign is also expected to make a major general election theme out of environmental justice, which focuses on the way environmental problems such as dirty air and water disproportionately affect poor and minority communities.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/hillary-clinton-climate-team-226930 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/hillary-clinton-climate-team-226930)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 14, 2016, 06:19:59 PM
Wind Takes Center Stage in Vermont Governor's Race
Sue Minter's victory in the Democratic primary came over an opponent of big wind projects. She now faces another anti-wind Republican opponent in November.
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The issue of wind power began to take an outsized role in the primary after Matt Dunne, a leading candidate, switched his position on the siting of new turbines on July 29, just 10 days before the primary.

That was followed by  a debate among the three leading candidates on Aug. 4 that opened with a discussion on wind power that consumed nearly a quarter of the entire, 50-minute debate.

"Large-scale ridgeline wind projects should only take place with the approval of the towns where the projects are located," Dunne said in a press release.  "As governor, I will ensure that no means no."

Two days later, Bill McKibben, a leading international environmental activist who lives in Vermont, withdrew his support for Dunne and endorsed Minter.

"Towards the end of last Friday afternoon, something happened that convinced me I'd made a mistake," McKibben said in a statement. "Wind power is not the only, or even the most important, energy issue of the moment. But it is important. And its importance means [a] candidate's basic positions on it shouldn't shift overnight."
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/11082016/wind-power-vermont-governor-sue-minter-matt-dunne-phil-scott
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 18, 2016, 01:41:00 AM
The linked New Yorker editorial concludes that while denialist may confuse some of people, they never fool Mother Nature; and time is slipping away to take effective climate change action:

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/space-climate-change-and-the-real-meaning-of-theory (http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/space-climate-change-and-the-real-meaning-of-theory)

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: budmantis on August 18, 2016, 07:55:46 AM
Great article, thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 19, 2016, 05:43:27 PM
The linked article in the Rupert Murdoch controlled WSJ was written by US White House representatives (Mr. Deese is a senior adviser to President Obama. Mr. Zients is director of the White House’s National Economic Council).  While it seems obvious that the global market place should standardize its climate risk disclosure process, I image that market pressures will force the recognized risk to match lukewarmer assessments (like Moody's $2 Trillion in bond risk) rather than the true risks, which will bring the international market place to its knees between 2050 & 2060 (even considering likely extensions to the Paris Pact):

http://www.wsj.com/articles/enlist-the-market-in-the-climate-change-fight-1471561052 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/enlist-the-market-in-the-climate-change-fight-1471561052)

Extract: "Enlist the Market in the Climate-Change Fight -
Standardized disclosure of climate risk will help secure long-term value for investors and taxpayers

Whether you are an investor assessing the $2 trillion in bonds that Moody’s found carry elevated near-term climate risk, one of the nearly two million U.S. homeowners facing significant risk from climate-related flooding, or a U.S. taxpayer staring at $360 billion in direct government costs from extreme weather over the past decade—these threats are looming, large and increasing.
This year’s World Economic Forum Global Risks Report declared the “failure of climate-change mitigation and adaptation” the “risk with the greatest potential impact in 2016.” Yet financial markets suffer from an alarming lack of standardized and comparable climate-risk information, which keeps investors and policy makers from accurately incorporating these risks into their decisions. Combating climate change requires not only leveraging bold action by governments to cut carbon pollution, but also harnessing the power of market forces with clear, uniformly disclosed assessments of climate-related economic risks.

The good news is there is a broad and growing bipartisan consensus for these types of aggressive actions, including from major global companies, former Republican and Democrat U.S. Treasury secretaries, and large institutional investors representing trillions of dollars in capital. Yet some Republicans in Congress continue to advocate for a strategy of keeping taxpayers and investors in the dark by preventing the government from updating flood standards or enforcing disclosure of common-sense information to the public.

The stakes for our economy are too high to stand still or move backward. This is the moment to accelerate efforts to understand, measure and standardize disclosure of climate risk and put that understanding to use. Doing so will help to secure long-term value for investors and taxpayers; improve market efficiency and stability; strengthen the resilience of our communities; and help the world combat climate change."
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 21, 2016, 09:24:42 PM
"Pretending that climate change isn’t real was politically expedient in the past. Today it’s dangerous for millions of Americans, and it dooms the Republican Party to irrelevance in climate discussions."
As Louisiana floods rage, Republicans are blocking modest climate action
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/19/louisiana-floods-climate-legislation-nepa-republican-opposition (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/19/louisiana-floods-climate-legislation-nepa-republican-opposition)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 24, 2016, 06:29:33 PM
Jerry Brown has scored a major victory in California in the fight against climate change:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-pol-sac-california-climate-change-assembly-vote-20160824-snap-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-pol-sac-california-climate-change-assembly-vote-20160824-snap-story.html)

Extract: "A controversial measure to extend California’s target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions was approved by the Assembly on Tuesday, clearing a major hurdle in a battle at the Capitol over the future of the state’s environmental programs.

White House officials and Gov. Jerry Brown cranked up the pressure on Assembly members to support the legislation, while oil industry lobbyists huddled with sympathetic lawmakers in an attempt to stall an effort that once seemed unlikely to gain traction this year.


The legislation would require slashing greenhouse gas emissions to 40% below 1990 levels by 2030, an easier target than the current goal of hitting 1990 levels by 2020.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 26, 2016, 12:04:43 AM
BBC News looks at climate change in the U.S. presidential race, and how it plays out in the swing state of Ohio.

Global warming and the race for the White House
Two starkly different visions of global warming are offered by Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump in their race for the White House.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37034052 (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37034052)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: sidd on August 26, 2016, 02:25:36 AM
The bbc article about ohio could use some detail.

Robert Murray, the coal magnate interviewed is a blowhard and ohioans know it. The EPA is not universally hated, there are people around the bend in the river who DuPont systematically poisoned with C8 and other chemicals, the coal industry ruined their air and water. They know exactly what industry has done to them. If anything, they blame the EPA for not acting sooner.

Toledo, which is distinctly more than "a hundred miles west," is far from the sunny solarpowered city it is implied to be. Toledo is deep in the rust belt, was whacked in the seventies, the nineties, in the 2000s and the city is closing down whole blocks.

The biggest population centers are Cleveland, Columbus and Cinci. The last is still quite segregated, has a huge police corruption/violence problem and is republican. Columbus is democrat, as is Cleveland. 

Both Clinton and Trump are held in contempt throughout the state. Bernie supporters have peeled away to Jill Stein in Columbus, and seem to have quit caring/will not vote in Cleveland. In Cinci, I suspect regardless of repub governor Kasich dislike of Trump they will hold their nose and vote for him. Dayton and Appalachian ohio, likewise. Smaller towns like Youngstown, Mansfield, Canton (more rustbelt stories)  have seen thousands of previously democratic voters register republican this year.

I think turnout will be low all over ohio, and the state will eventually not matter as much as is thought. But i could be wrong.

sidd
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: budmantis on August 26, 2016, 06:22:06 AM
It may turn out as you say SIDD because Hillary has a lot of unfavorables working against her. However, Kasich is highly regarded and I think and hope that Ohio will be in her column. However it ends up, Ohio's electoral votes will be very important in putting the successful candidate over the top. I'm in Florida and I'll be holding my nose while voting for Hillary, because a Trump presidency is unimaginable. If Hillary does win, It is quite possible that her term will face as much scrutiny as her husband's. I'm hoping that will not be the case.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 26, 2016, 09:41:16 PM
Thanks for the details, sidd.

The "experts" currently call Ohio a toss-up state, with a slight Democratic edge.  Will be interesting to see how it goes in the weeks ahead.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: sidd on August 26, 2016, 10:41:35 PM
Clinton will see more difficulty in Pennsylvania than ohio. Time was, Pittsburgh and Philly were solidly democratic and the rest of the state was republican. This year i see the entire west of PA going trump, even in Pittsburgh, Clinton appears weak. As she does in just across the river  in ohio in little towns like Steubenville. She will have to win big in eastern PA, but it will have to be in the belt from Harrisburg to Philly in the southeast, since even in eastern towns like Scranton (Biden hometown) and Allentown sentiment seems against her. But the southeast is the most populous, so it may be enough.

Amish, as usual, sitting out in both PA and OH.

sidd
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: ghoti on August 27, 2016, 12:13:16 AM
For those still wondering about the presidential "race" you should visit the Princeton Election Consortium http://election.princeton.edu/ (http://election.princeton.edu/)

Top of the page summary shows this isn't a race anymore.

Also OH is showing +4% for Clinton and PA +9% for Clinton on the sidebar today.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: sidd on August 27, 2016, 01:59:49 AM
Re: OH, PA presidential polling

Agreed that Clinton leads current polls.

But, I'm not polling. I'm telling you what i see and hear on the road in OH and PA. I talk to a lot of people, including long and short haul drivers, who talk to people too.

What i can tell you is that a majority are angry this election season to an extent i have not seen before. Are they angry enuf to take the time to go vote ? No clue. But most of the angry people will vote Trump if they vote.

sidd
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: budmantis on August 27, 2016, 06:11:10 AM
Sidd:

There are a lot of angry people out there. In Florida, I've encountered many as well but I'm wondering if these represent a broad cross-section of voters or if they are more representative of a certain demographic.

Personal observation; it is my opinion that if the democrats had a better candidate, a landslide would be the outcome in November. OTOH, if the republicans had a moderate candidate, perhaps like John Kasich, I think he would win by a comfortable margin against Clinton.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: TerryM on August 27, 2016, 06:31:05 AM
FWIW
Bill was the first, (and still only), President to be elected that I would have been excited to voted for. My initial hope was that Hillary would have been the nominee back in 2008 and that she would be ending her second term this November.
Hillary's words and actions over the last few years have given me pause. I hope my fears are just a reaction to the negatives pushed by the far right.


For most I'm afraid that this election will be about voting against the Greater Evil, a roll Trump seems born for.
Terry
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: budmantis on August 27, 2016, 06:59:14 AM
I know a few people who would have voted for Hillary in 2008, but now they're voting for Trump.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 30, 2016, 04:05:59 AM
Tweet from @HillaryClinton includes the image below:
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The choice in November: a president with real plans to combat climate change—or one who calls it a hoax.
https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/770432675672887296
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 01, 2016, 03:02:38 AM
By wide margin, Florida voters add solar tax break to state Constitution
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The runaway winner in Tuesday’s primary election was at the end of the ballot, as voters in Florida overwhelmingly approved a tax break to encourage businesses to go solar.

The amendment, which will become part of the Florida Constitution, exempts solar and other renewable energy devices on business and industrial property from property taxes for 20 years. The same tax break already exists for residential property owners.

The amendment also exempts renewable energy devices from Florida’s tangible personal property tax.

Amendment 4, the only ballot question in Tuesday’s primary, won more than 70 percent of the vote, according to early returns by the Florida Division of Elections.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article98929157.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article98929157.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: ghoti on September 01, 2016, 03:09:10 AM
Might be more effective to pass a measure preventing the monopoly utility from charging excessive fees to customers that have solar PV systems. The preferred method of killing solar in several states.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: mati on September 05, 2016, 06:33:11 PM
Texas is a fine place to drill for help on climate denial. A recent Texas Public Policy Foundation  (TPPF)T Austin conference attracted oil/coal executives,  economists, lawyers,  think tankers and perhaps potential funders. Peabody Energy “donated” $40K to TPPF during 2014-2015, according to recent bankruptcy documents (p.776).
Politicians included Senator Ted Cruz  by video, and in person, Attorney General Ken Paxton, Senate Majority Whip John Corbyn and Rep. Lamar Smith.

http://www.desmogblog.com/2016/08/05/will-happer-drills-for-support-with-lamar-smith-ted-cruz (http://www.desmogblog.com/2016/08/05/will-happer-drills-for-support-with-lamar-smith-ted-cruz)

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: sidd on September 09, 2016, 09:00:45 AM
tomdispatch.com is worth reading regularly. The latest is

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176183/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_a_9_11_retrospective%3A_washington%27s_15-year_air_war/ (http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176183/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_a_9_11_retrospective%3A_washington%27s_15-year_air_war/)

His fourth point on American Jihad is,  I think, the most perceptive  but the worst argued.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 12, 2016, 06:32:05 PM
tomdispatch.com is worth reading regularly. The latest is

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176183/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_a_9_11_retrospective%3A_washington%27s_15-year_air_war/ (http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176183/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_a_9_11_retrospective%3A_washington%27s_15-year_air_war/)

His fourth point on American Jihad is,  I think, the most perceptive  but the worst argued.

Must add an asterisk * to his "75% success rate" of the 9/11 attacks:  we don't know how many other potential hijackers were thwarted by the rapid, quickly-accomplished (and safely successful!) shutdown of the entire U.S. airspace, begun minutes after the first attacks, along with the "cockpit intrusion" warnings sent by carriers and Air Traffic Control to planes in flight.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 21, 2016, 02:29:56 PM
The linked article is entitled: "Chevron’s Lobbyist Now Runs the Congressional Science Committee"

http://www.republicreport.org/2014/chevron-science-committee/ (http://www.republicreport.org/2014/chevron-science-committee/)

Extract: "With little fanfare, one of Chevron’s top lobbyists, Stephen Sayle, has become a senior staff member of the House Committee on Science, the standing congressional committee charged with “maintaining our scientific and technical leadership in the world.”"
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 22, 2016, 01:35:53 PM
Boston University to divest coal, tar sands oil investments
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In a letter to members of the BU community, university President Robert A. Brown said the board's Advisory Committee on Socially Responsible Investing proposed, and the board agreed, that “the university should, within its endowment, prohibit new and divest of any existing direct investments in those companies that continue to explore for new fossil fuel reserves of any kind … or extract coal and tar sands.”

Mr. Brown added: “The endowment investment office should seek to include managers who specialize and have expertise in renewable energy sources and/or technologies focused on the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.”
http://www.pionline.com/article/20160921/ONLINE/160929970/boston-university-to-divest-coal-tar-sands-oil-investments (http://www.pionline.com/article/20160921/ONLINE/160929970/boston-university-to-divest-coal-tar-sands-oil-investments)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 23, 2016, 01:59:21 AM
HOW THE REACTION TO TRUMP COULD BE GOOD FOR THE CLIMATE
Mark Pischea, a Republican political strategist based in Michigan, agreed. “We don’t really talk about climate change overtly—not because we’re afraid to but because it’s not that relevant,” he said. At this point, Pischea added, there are enough reasons to persuade conservatives of the need for clean energy—the economy, national security, faith, their grandchildren’s health—that engaging them on science isn’t productive. Instead, according to Dozier, climate-conscious conservatives are trying to “change the narrative from one of a dire emergency to an opportunity for solving a challenge.”
http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/how-the-reaction-to-trump-could-be-good-for-the-climate (http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/how-the-reaction-to-trump-could-be-good-for-the-climate)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 20, 2016, 06:42:01 PM
Marco Rubio Once Again Denies Climate Change as Florida’s King Tides Inundate Streets
(Includes video of Del Ray Beach flooding.)
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Sen. Marco Rubio refused to acknowledge human-caused climate change at a Florida Senate debate Monday even as a foot of water inundated city streets and sewers throughout South Florida, driven by the annual king tide combined with rising seas.
...
Rubio argued for an "all-of-the-above" energy strategy, including oil, coal, natural gas and nuclear energy, and said he favored mitigation strategies, "if in fact sea levels are rising."

Patrick Murphy, Rubio's Democratic challenger, responded in the debate by saying, "Look out your window, right? There's two or three inches of saltwater on the roads right now. They were not built underwater. Go down to the Florida Keys. The reefs are dying from acidification and bleaching."
...
According to the website Dirty Energy Money, Marco Rubio, who grew up in West Miami, has accepted $637,273 from oil and coal companies and those who promote carbon-based business. Fivethirtyeight.com gives Rubio a 71 percent chance of retaining his Senate seat.
http://www.ecowatch.com/marco-rubio-florida-climate-change-2051834533.html (http://www.ecowatch.com/marco-rubio-florida-climate-change-2051834533.html)

HuffPost polls put Rubio ahead 48% to 42%.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-florida-senate-rubio-vs-murphy (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-florida-senate-rubio-vs-murphy)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 21, 2016, 08:05:50 PM
The WikiLeaks emails reveal why Hillary Clinton wouldn’t support a carbon tax
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During the Democratic primary, one of the major climate policy differences between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton was a carbon tax. He supported one. She didn’t. Now we have a little insight into why, via WikiLeaks’ recent release of thousands of hacked personal emails from Clinton campaign manager John Podesta.

“We have done extensive polling on a carbon tax,” Podesta apparently told Clinton adviser Jake Sullivan back in January 2015. “It all sucks.”

Some of that polling can be found in this leaked presentation by Anzalone Liszt Grove Research to the Clinton campaign dating March 2015. (Note that the campaign has avoided commenting on the veracity of any of the WikiLeaks emails.) The survey found that when people initially heard about a carbon tax, 58 percent supported it. But after hearing more detailed arguments for and against, support plunged to 46 percent....
...
You can see a (hyper-cautious) logic at work here. By and large, Clinton’s climate and energy plan has focused on executive actions she can take as president without the help of Congress — it’s built around the assumption that Republicans in the House and Senate won’t cooperate anytime soon. So it seems the campaign didn’t want to go out on a limb for a policy that wasn’t likely to pass in the next two years and would cost them votes in the general election.
http://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2016/10/18/13317484/hillary-clinton-carbon-tax-wikileaks (http://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2016/10/18/13317484/hillary-clinton-carbon-tax-wikileaks)

Note:  The chance of Democrats regaining control of the Senate has improved (as Trump drags the GOP down with him) -- it's currently 79%.  There's even a daring bit of optimism about Democrats in the House.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on October 24, 2016, 03:01:19 PM
It looks like the financial sector is starting to acknowledge the systemic risk of climate change to our socio-economic system:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-24/climate-change-may-trigger-next-financial-crisis-fisher-says (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-24/climate-change-may-trigger-next-financial-crisis-fisher-says)

Extract: "Climate change could spark the world’s next financial crisis, according to Paul Fisher, who retired this year as deputy head of the Bank of England body which supervises the country’s banks.
“It is potentially a systemic risk,” Fisher said Monday in an interview in Sydney. A sudden repricing of assets as a result of climate change “could be the trigger for the next financial crisis,” he added."
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on October 24, 2016, 10:39:35 PM
The San Antonio Express-News has declined to endorse Lamar Smith for re-election, citing his bullying behavior on the issue of climate change:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/10/19/san-antonio-express-news-wont-endorse-lamar-smith-citing-bullying-tactics-climate-change/213928 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/10/19/san-antonio-express-news-wont-endorse-lamar-smith-citing-bullying-tactics-climate-change/213928)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 26, 2016, 04:19:49 PM
The Trump and Clinton campaigns finally had a substantive climate debate
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On Tuesday, the University of Richmond School of Law hosted a wide-ranging debate between the two campaigns’ energy advisers. On Team Clinton: Trevor Houser, an analyst at the Rhodium Group. On Team Trump: Rep. Kevin Cramer (R-ND).

The hour-long debate featured its share of depressing nonsense, like when Cramer waffled on whether humans are causing global warming. (Spoiler: They are.) But the discussion was genuinely substantive, and the advisers delved into issues like the Paris climate deal, nuclear power, and (oh yes) transmission policy.
http://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2016/10/26/13410944/trump-clinton-energy-advisers-debate (http://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2016/10/26/13410944/trump-clinton-energy-advisers-debate)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: budmantis on October 27, 2016, 02:54:04 PM
Although this article is not about climate change, it is about money and politics, so I thought this thread was the best fit:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/koch-brothers-campaign-struggles-230325 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/koch-brothers-campaign-struggles-230325)

"Behind the retreat of the Koch brothers' operation".

By Kenneth P. Vogel
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: sidd on November 01, 2016, 04:18:22 AM
The documentary "Before the Flood" is presently available for free viewing at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90CkXVF-Q8M&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90CkXVF-Q8M&feature=youtu.be)

I don't know how long it is available. I liked it.

sidd
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on November 05, 2016, 04:37:27 PM
The linked Rolling Stone article is entitled: "Why Republicans Still Reject the Science of Global Warming", and points-out that is you want to know why the Republican Party denies climate change then you only need to follow the fossil fuel campaign money trail:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/why-republicans-still-reject-the-science-of-global-warming-w448023 (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/why-republicans-still-reject-the-science-of-global-warming-w448023)

Extract: "Only one major political party in the world denies climate change, and it's in charge of the most important political body in the world."
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 06, 2016, 01:59:14 PM
Clinton Wins, The Next U.S. Energy Secretary Might Be The Current One
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The next leader of the Department of Energy might be its current one.

Hillary Clinton is considering keeping Ernest Moniz on as secretary of energy, should she win the presidential election next month, a source familiar with the Clinton campaign’s planning told BuzzFeed News.

Moniz is well-liked by members on both sides of the aisle and keeping him on would allow Clinton to avoid at least one contentious confirmation. He had a brief star turn as the administration’s top salesman on the Iran deal and his memeworthy hair has earned him shoutouts on late-night talk shows.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/dinograndoni/moniz-energy-secretary (https://www.buzzfeed.com/dinograndoni/moniz-energy-secretary)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on November 06, 2016, 06:28:09 PM
The linked article is entitled: "Nicholas Stern: cost of global warming ‘is worse than I feared’".  Stern's (developed & issued by the UK's Treasury department) original report erred on the side of least drama, ESLD, and his updated report 10-years later continues to do so, while pointing-out that in that 10-year period less was done to fight climate change than Stern had wishfully hoped would be achieved when his department issued the first report.  As climate change is a non-linear problem delayed action to fight climate change is possibly the single most expensive (i.e. the worse benefit to cost ratio) course of action.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/06/nicholas-stern-climate-change-review-10-years-on-interview-decisive-years-humanity?CMP=twt_a-science_b-gdnscience (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/06/nicholas-stern-climate-change-review-10-years-on-interview-decisive-years-humanity?CMP=twt_a-science_b-gdnscience)

Extract: "Ten years ago the leading economist warned about climate change in a landmark report – he says while there is cause for optimism, the picture is still grim."
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 08, 2016, 11:46:54 PM
This really is a climate change election in the U.S.
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...
These activists birddogged Clinton in early states like Iowa and New Hampshire, and later, with a more settled strategy in place, they turned to the bigger primaries like Pennsylvania and New York. At about 80 percent of Clinton’s campaign events, they took some kind of action; some of it was gimmicky, like posing with Clinton for a photo to call her out on her silence on Keystone XL.

But their most useful work took place on the rope-line, where activists often asked Clinton or a surrogate a pointed question about her climate policies, catching the whole thing on camera. Even when these mostly young activists didn’t get an answer, you started to see the issues they were pushing become bigger flashpoints, especially as they moved beyond Keystone XL to Clinton’s positions on fracking and offshore drilling.
...
After it was clear Sanders would lose the nomination, he managed to insert the strongest platform language we’ve ever seen the Democratic Party formally adopt on climate change. It included an endorsement for “every tool available to reduce emissions now,” including a carbon tax. And it called for ensuring that infrastructure projects and federal actions “don’t ‘significantly exacerbate’ global warming.” The platform fight reflected Sanders’ and his climate supporters’ newfound strength. ...
http://grist.org/election-2016/this-really-is-a-climate-change-election/ (http://grist.org/election-2016/this-really-is-a-climate-change-election/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: abbottisgone on November 11, 2016, 10:03:13 AM
The linked Rolling Stone article is entitled: "Why Republicans Still Reject the Science of Global Warming", and points-out that is you want to know why the Republican Party denies climate change then you only need to follow the fossil fuel campaign money trail:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/why-republicans-still-reject-the-science-of-global-warming-w448023 (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/why-republicans-still-reject-the-science-of-global-warming-w448023)

Extract: "Only one major political party in the world denies climate change, and it's in charge of the most important political body in the world."
The Liberal Party of Australia also denies Climate Change!
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 12, 2016, 07:46:54 PM
States May Drive U.S. Climate Policy Under Trump
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What we do know is the Clean Power Plan is just one factor driving a market that is already undergoing significant transformation,” Ganesan said. “Utilities, regional grid operators, and state regulators are already working to integrate advanced energy technologies to make our electric power system more reliable and affordable, and that also happen to reduce carbon emissions.”

Ganesan said he sees Trump’s election as a business opportunity for those who want to create jobs by improving the nation’s energy infrastructure.
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/us-climate-policy-under-trump-20866 (http://www.climatecentral.org/news/us-climate-policy-under-trump-20866)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 12, 2016, 09:39:15 PM
"I don't know if any American bank would finance another coal plant."

How businesses and cities can drive climate action if the federal government fails.
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Last week, Walmart announced a new target to cut its emissions in line with the Paris agreement, making an 18% reduction in its own operations by 2025. By 2030, all of its suppliers will have to do the same thing, reducing emissions by a gigaton.

It's one of hundreds of major corporations to commit to climate action. Many, like Apple, Facebook, and General Motors, have committed to transitioning to 100% renewable energy (by 2015, Apple had already reached 93% renewable energy). That offsets a large amount of power that otherwise might have come from fossil fuels, and it's also beginning to reshape how state governments think about their power grids.

"If you're the governor of a state and you want companies to build plants and run facilities, and you know they're committed to 100% renewable energy, it changes the politics of renewable portfolio standards," says Topping. "That's jobs and it's tax. It's a political decision, not an environmental one."

The business and finance communities may also resist a push for more support for the coal industry from Trump. "The fact of the matter is, I don't think coal is really cost-competitive anymore," says Ken Berlin, president and CEO of the Climate Reality Project, Al Gore's organization dedicated to fighting climate change. "I don't know if any American bank would finance another coal plant. I think the day of coal is really coming to an end, unless [Trump] figures out a way to give it subsidies, which I think he'd probably have a very hard time justifying."

Trump may also change his mind about coal if he listens to experts. "The coal industry is dying globally, so to invest federal money in trying to revive a dying industry—rather than trying to invest in communities that have worked in coal for generations to reskill and retrain for transition—would be a bad business decision," says Topping.
https://www.fastcoexist.com/3065508/ceos-and-mayors-are-now-our-only-hope-for-saving-the-climate (https://www.fastcoexist.com/3065508/ceos-and-mayors-are-now-our-only-hope-for-saving-the-climate)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 18, 2016, 01:12:58 PM
Science Leader Hopes Donald Trump Starts Respecting Facts
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"This election is said to have been about rejecting the political establishment. We cannot let that mean rejecting established facts," Rush Holt, a physicist and former Democratic representative for New Jersey, wrote in a commentary in his organization's flagship journal, Science.

"We hope that President Trump will be more grounded in specific facts than was candidate Trump and pay more attention to the process of careful, open vetting of hypotheses and claims," Holt added.

"We must make clear that an official cannot wish away what is known about climate change, gun violence, opioid addiction, fisheries depletion, or any other public issue illuminated by research."
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/science-leader-hopes-donald-trump-starts-respecting-facts-n685616 (http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/science-leader-hopes-donald-trump-starts-respecting-facts-n685616)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 21, 2016, 04:40:38 PM
U.S. groups working with Republicans on climate are discouraged, but see a glimmer of hope
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/nov/21/groups-working-with-republicans-on-climate-are-discouraged-but-see-a-glimmer-of-hope (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/nov/21/groups-working-with-republicans-on-climate-are-discouraged-but-see-a-glimmer-of-hope)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on November 21, 2016, 06:28:24 PM
The 2017 RTCC magazine "Respond" is out with a theme of "After Paris, It's Time to Deliver".

http://www.rtcc.org/magazine/respond2017/#p=1 (http://www.rtcc.org/magazine/respond2017/#p=1)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Shared Humanity on November 24, 2016, 02:54:25 PM
The U.S. is set to destroy any progress that has been made.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/nasa-earth-donald-trump-eliminate-climate-change-research (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/nasa-earth-donald-trump-eliminate-climate-change-research)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 27, 2016, 02:53:13 PM
California’s Democrats Are Ready for Political War
“We’re going to do everything in our power to protect our people and our values.”
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Democrats have dominated all branches of California’s government since 2011, when Jerry Brown succeeded Arnold Schwarzenegger as governor. With the largest economy in the U.S. and the sixth-largest in the world, the state enjoys greater independence from Washington than most. It was the first state to adopt its own vehicle emissions standards, in 2002. In 2012, California created the only state-level cap-and-trade system for limiting greenhouse gas emissions after Republicans in Congress rejected a national model. ...
...
Governor Brown has devoted himself to strengthening California’s carbon pollution rules, already the nation’s toughest. “We will protect the precious rights of our people and continue to confront the existential threat of our time—devastating climate change,” Brown said in a statement that also referred to finding common ground with Trump and the GOP where possible. Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf says cities should be willing to uphold the Paris commitments at the local level. “You have 70 percent of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions coming from cities,” she says. “If all mayors agree to take action, we can actually render federal action irrelevant.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-18/california-s-democrats-are-ready-for-political-war (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-18/california-s-democrats-are-ready-for-political-war)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on November 28, 2016, 12:20:35 AM
The linked article is entitled: "The 13 impossible crises that humanity now faces", and I note that as climate change is a caused by human behavior, the cited political trends are not reassuring w.r.t. our shared futures:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/25/13-crises-we-face-trump-soil-loss-global-collapse?CMP=share_btn_tw (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/25/13-crises-we-face-trump-soil-loss-global-collapse?CMP=share_btn_tw)

Extract: "From Trump to climate change, this multiheaded crisis presages collapse. And there’s no hope of exiting the ‘other side’ if political alternatives are shut down."
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 28, 2016, 08:46:51 PM
 :o  Oy.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:  This afternoon the Senate will be debating the “Robust Health of the Great Barrier Reef and the threat of environmental alarmism.”
https://twitter.com/senatormroberts/status/803019032139993088 (https://twitter.com/senatormroberts/status/803019032139993088)


Eric Holthaus: "New data reported today by the Townsville-based team, collected in the post-bleaching environment of the past few months, confirmed that while the *entire* reef isn't dead, large sections of it are. The team is calling what happened "the largest die-off of corals ever recorded on Australia’s Great Barrier Reef." It's hard to sugar-coat or qualify that kind of finding. It's really, really bad."
http://tinyletter.com/sciencebyericholthaus/letters/today-in-weather-climate-great-barrier-reef-mortality-edition-monday-november-28th (http://tinyletter.com/sciencebyericholthaus/letters/today-in-weather-climate-great-barrier-reef-mortality-edition-monday-november-28th)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 30, 2016, 09:11:28 PM
The Koch brothers, big oil, and Texas utilities are already shaping Trump’s environmental agenda
The Fueling Freedom Project is the climate-denying voice at the Trump transition table.
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The early sign is that Trump ran as a climate denier and is starting to surround himself with climate deniers, and that’s just the wrong direction to go,” said Shannon Fisk, managing attorney for the coal program at Earthjustice. “The science is clear on this: Climate change is happening and human activity is causing it.”

Despite the fact that, as Fisk told ThinkProgress, “there are many Republicans out there who do not deny the climate science, who are on board with realizing the economic promise of clean energy,” Trump’s budding administration seems tightly linked to a Texas-based fossil fuel advocacy group and it’s parent organization, the far-right Texas Public Policy Foundation.

The chair of TPPF’s Fueling Freedom Project, Doug Domenech, has already been tapped by the incoming administration as head of the Interior Department transition team, and a senior fellow, Kathleen Hartnett White, is a rumored candidate for head of the EPA.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-transition-fueling-climate-change-514fd9f2c5c7
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on December 01, 2016, 12:12:10 AM
The linked article is entitled: "How Trump Can Quash Obama's Last Effort to Fight the Coal Industry

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/11/trump-obama-stream-protection-rule-coal (http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/11/trump-obama-stream-protection-rule-coal)

Extract: "According to Thom Kay of the environmental group Appalachian Voices, congressional Republicans who oppose the new rule may now be able to use an obscure law called the Congressional Review Act to overturn it. Under the CRA, Congress has 60 days after receiving a finalized rule to file a resolution disapproving it. If both houses pass the resolution, it goes to the president's desk, where it can be vetoed. (Last year, for example, Republicans in Congress attempted to use the CRA to overturn Obama's Clean Power Plan. Obama simply vetoed the resolutions.) But there will be a new president and a new Congress just days after Interior says the new Stream Protection Rule will be finalized. Trump—who has promised to revitalize the coal industry and to "rescind all the job-destroying Obama executive actions"—is unlikely to veto a resolution sent by majorities of his own party."
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 03, 2016, 12:38:14 AM
Tesla hosts a party for new energy division of the conservative lobbying powerhouse ALEC

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Tesla’s decision to open its D.C. showroom for the ALEC partygoers raised eyebrows among oil, gas and electric companies that are members of the group and already skeptical of its new Energy Innovation Project, funded in part by the environmentally minded ClearPath Foundation. ClearPath and its founder, entrepreneur Jay Faison, are dedicated to persuading conservatives to fight climate change and support clean energy. And in a previous role at another organization, the head of ALEC’s Energy Innovation Project, Sarah Hunt, opined in favor of carbon taxes as "a more elegant, cost-efficient way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions."
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-hosts-lobbying-group-shunned-202417431.html
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 04, 2016, 08:02:37 PM
Patagonia Had $10 Million In Sales On Black Friday And Is Donating Every Cent To Save The Planet
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Patagonia saw an astounding $10 million in Black Friday sales  ― five times its own expectations ― and, as promised, will donate every cent toward helping save the environment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/patagonia-black-friday-record-sale_us_583ca8dbe4b0860d61162813 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/patagonia-black-friday-record-sale_us_583ca8dbe4b0860d61162813)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: sidd on December 08, 2016, 09:45:56 PM
Piketty does it again:

"Distributional National Accounts: Methods and Estimates for the United States"

" ... the bottom half of the income distribution in the United States has been completely shut off from economic growth since the 1970s. From 1980 to 2014, average national income per adult grew by 61 percent in the United States, yet the average pre-tax income of the bottom 50 percent of individual income earners stagnated at about $16,000 per adult after adjusting for inflation.[5] In contrast, income skyrocketed at the top of the income distribution, rising 121 percent for the top 10 percent, 205 percent for the top 1 percent, and 636 percent for the top 0.001 percent."

"To understand how unequal the United States is today, consider the following fact. In 1980, adults in the top 1 percent earned on average 27 times more than bottom 50 percent of adults. Today they earn 81 times more. This ratio of 1 to 81 is similar to the gap between the average income in the United States and the average income in the world’s poorest countries, among them the war-torn Democratic Republic of Congo, Central African Republic, and Burundi. Another alarming trend evident in this data is that the increase in income concentration at the top in the United States over the past 15 years is due to a boom in capital income. It looks like the working rich who drove the upsurge in income concentration in the 1980s and 1990s are either retiring to live off their capital income or passing their fortunes onto heirs."

I attach two graphs.

The paper is at

http://gabriel-zucman.eu/files/PSZ2016.pdf (http://gabriel-zucman.eu/files/PSZ2016.pdf)

the data is linked from

http://gabriel-zucman.eu/usdina/ (http://gabriel-zucman.eu/usdina/)

Read the whole thing.

sidd

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 10, 2016, 05:45:55 PM
Bill McKibben:  Weekend reading: huge new report finds clean energy conversion would save US $40 bn annually, create million jobs:

From Risk to Return
Investing in a Clean Energy Economy

The U.S. economy faces significant risks from unabated climate change. Every year of inaction serves to broaden and deepen those risks. Founded by co-chairs Michael R. Bloomberg, Henry M. Paulson, Jr., and Thomas F. Steyer, the Risky Business Project examines the economic risks presented by climate change and opportunities to reduce them.
http://riskybusiness.org/fromrisktoreturn/ (http://riskybusiness.org/fromrisktoreturn/)

Edit: Here is the Executive Summary:

"In our 2014 inaugural report, “Risky Business: The Economic Risks of Climate Change in the United States,” we found that the economic risks from unmitigated climate change to American businesses and long-term investors are large and unacceptable. Subsequent scientific data and analysis have reinforced and strengthened that conclusion. As a result, we, the Co-Chairs and Risk Committee of the Risky Business Project, are united in recognizing the need to respond to the risk climate change poses to the American economy.

Now we turn to the obvious next question: how to respond to those risks. Seriously addressing climate change requires reducing greenhouse gas emissions by at least 80 percent by 2050 in the U.S. and across all major economies. We find that this goal is technically and economically achievable using commercial or near-commercial technology. Most important, we  find that meeting the goal does not require an energy miracle or unprecedented spending.

The transition to a cleaner energy economy rests on three pillars: moving from fossil fuels to electricity wherever possible, generating electricity with low or zero carbon emissions, and using energy much more efficiently. This means building new sources of zero- and low-carbon energy, including wind, solar, and nuclear; electrifying vehicles, heating systems, and many other products and processes; and investing in making buildings, appliances, and manufacturing more energy efficient.

Meeting these targets requires a large-scale shift away from ongoing spending on fossil fuels and toward up-front capital investments in clean energy technologies. Many of those, such as wind and solar, have little or no fuel cost once built. Given an appropriate policy framework, we expect these investments to be made largely by the private sector and consumers, and to yield significant returns. Because of the large capital investments and the long-term savings in fuel costs, this shift presents significant opportunities for many American investors and businesses. Notably, shifting the U.S. to a low-carbon, clean energy system presents not just long term benefits but also immediate, near-term opportunities, particularly for those actors best positioned to capitalize on these trends."
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 12, 2016, 02:37:59 AM
Interesting development.

“Billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk plans to be in attendance at President-elect Donald Trump’s meeting of tech-industry executives this Wednesday in New York, according to people familiar with the matter.”

Tesla CEO Elon Musk to meet Donald Trump for tech-industry summit, says WSJ
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The agenda of the meeting has not been made clear at this point, but it is suspected to revolve around job creation in the tech industry.
...
Peter Thiel, a venture capitalist and member of Trump’s transition team, is expected to act as a liaison for the meeting. Thiel is an old friend of Musk and the duo co-founded Paypal together when they merged their startups in 2000.
https://electrek.co/2016/12/11/tesla-elon-musk-meet-donald-trump-tech/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 14, 2016, 10:02:59 PM

Realists don't expect this high-profile meeting to change Trump's views on climate change.  At all.

“Trump is going to tell the tech people what they want to hear, praising their genius and encouraging them to keep up the good work of driving innovation in the US economy.”

Elon Musk and Uber CEO Travis Kalanick are joining Trump's economic advisory team
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Elon Musk and Travis Kalanick, the chief executives of Tesla and Uber, are joining US President-elect Donald Trump's new economic advisory board.

The two tech-transportation executives have been named as members of Trump's Strategic and Policy Forum, it was announced on Wednesday, alongside PepsiCo chairman and CEO Indra Nooyi.

Launched in early December, the forum will provide economic advice and will "be called upon to meet with the president frequently to share their specific experience and knowledge as the president implements his plan to bring back jobs and Make America Great Again," the initial announcement said.
http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-uber-travis-kalanick-join-donald-trump-strategic-policy-forum-economic-team-2016-12 (http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-uber-travis-kalanick-join-donald-trump-strategic-policy-forum-economic-team-2016-12)


Mr. Musk goes to Trump Tower — but that doesn't mean he's walking away with a deal
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But Musk is unique in that his vision is so vast and so tied to the specific operations of his businesses. If Tesla succeeds, million of electric cars will hit the road and the demise of the internal-combustion engine will be hastened. If SolarCity succeeds, clean power will replace dirty energy, spelling the end of the coal- and natural-gas-burning power plants. If SpaceX succeeds, we'll colonize Mars.
...
Musk shouldn't judge Trump by his words, which are reliably unreliable. Musk should look at the team Trump has put in charge of the country's climate-and-energy future and draw the obvious conclusions: Valid climate science is now officially under siege, and sustainable or renewable energy sources are about to lose out big-time to Big Oil.
http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-could-make-deal-with-trump-2016-12 (http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-could-make-deal-with-trump-2016-12)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on December 15, 2016, 12:27:14 AM
The linked CEPII paper is entitled: "Climate and Finance Systemic Risks, more than an Analogy?  The Climate Fragility Hypothesis". 

This paper indicates that current policy makers (including signatories to the COP21 Paris Pact) do not adequately understand systemic climate risks.  The paper notes that there is a possible positive feedback between climate change and financial fragility that could lead to system collapse without adequate mitigation measures.


http://www.cepii.fr/PDF_PUB/wp/2016/wp2016-10.pdf (http://www.cepii.fr/PDF_PUB/wp/2016/wp2016-10.pdf)

Abstract: "In this paper, we develop the notion of climate systemic risk. Climate change is usually considered as a negative externality, against which society can insure itself through a carbon tax or an emission trading market. But except under the unrealistic efficient market hypothesis, there is little chance that such a simple approach to climate policy succeeds in mitigating climate damages. Financial and climate fragility reinforce each other. We argue that in concrete economies, a collective insurance approach to climate change has to target the financial sector, as well as its articulation with monetary policy. As in the financial world, climate change thus constitutes a systemic risk against which specific ex ante and ex post monetary policies and financial regulations should be deployed. The Paris Agreement of COP21 ignores the policy consequences of such an approach to the climate threat, but the exegesis of the text still offers some indispensable pillars to promote a new financial order mitigating climate systemic risk."
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 15, 2016, 09:59:47 PM
Over $5.2 trillion in assets now committed to be divested from fossil fuels – almost doubled over the last year
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The Divestment movement, which aims at convincing people to remove their money from fossil fuel investments, has been picking up steam over the past year. A new report that came out this week claims that it has reached a commitment of over $5.2 trillion in assets from 688 institutions and 58,399 individuals across 76 countries over the last 5 years.

According to Arabella Advisors, a research and guidance firm for philanthropic groups, the total value of the assets taking part in the movement doubled over the last 15 months alone – showing that it might become an effective way to slow the production of CO2 emissions if it can keep its momentum.

The movement originally targeted universities, charitable foundation funds, and faith-based organizations, but it has since outgrown the strategy and it is now affecting the traditional financial sector.
https://electrek.co/2016/12/15/divestment-movement-trillion-assets-fossil-fuels/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Shared Humanity on December 18, 2016, 08:55:09 PM
Apparently, the U.S. has perfected Democracy.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 19, 2016, 08:16:04 PM
Fossil-fuel subsidies dropped sharply last year by 35%, still more than double the money spent on renewable energy subsidies
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In its latest ‘World Energy outlook’ report, the International Energy Agency (IEA) found that fossil-fuel subsidies dropped sharply by 35% last year – from almost $500 billion in 2014 to $325 billion in 2015. It’s a significant improvement, but the industry remains largely over-subsidized relative to the renewable energy industry, which receives about half the monetary value in subsidies – $150 billion.

The IEA wrote in the paper’s executive summary:

“The value of fossil-fuel consumption subsidies dropped in 2015 to $325 billion, from almost $500 billion the previous year, reflecting lower fossil-fuel prices but also a subsidy reform process that has gathered momentum in several countries.”

It’s important to note here that we are only talking about direct financial incentives. To this day, the fossil fuel industry is still strongly subsidized by taxpayers’ money even before accounting for the cost they make society incur due to health and climate impacts of the emissions they produced.
...
The agency expects that fossil-fuel subsidies will keep declining and eventually catch up with renewable energy subsidies, which should peak at $240 billion in the 2030s and start declining from there.
https://electrek.co/2016/12/19/fossil-fuel-subsidies-vs-renewable-energy-subsidies/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 21, 2016, 12:03:24 AM
Portland, Oregon Bans New Fossil Fuel Infrastructure in Stand Against Climate Change
Using a zoning ordinance, the city shuts the door to new projects and forbids expansion of existing facilities.
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This is likely the first time an American city has wielded its zoning code to halt such a large array of fossil fuel projects. Under the new ordinance, which will take effect next month, new large terminals for transporting and storing coal, methanol and various natural gas and oil products can't be built in the city. The rules also forbid expansion of Portland's 11 existing facilities—one liquefied natural gas (LNG) plant and 10 terminals for petroleum fuels. ...
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/14122016/portland-oregon-ban-fossil-fuels-oil-and-gas-pipelines-coal-global-warming
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 23, 2016, 10:31:39 PM
U.S. Congress:

"The League of Conservation Voters maintains a scorecard of every legislator in Congress: for 2015, the most recent year available, the average of all the Democratic members on the science committee is 92.75 percent (with 100 being a perfect environment-friendly score). On the GOP side of the aisle, the average is just over three percent."

What It's Like Being a Sane Person on the House Science Committee
http://gizmodo.com/what-its-like-being-a-sane-person-on-the-house-science-1790387102 (http://gizmodo.com/what-its-like-being-a-sane-person-on-the-house-science-1790387102)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 24, 2016, 09:07:34 PM
On Climate Change, Obama Lays Down a Scientific Gauntlet for Trump Administration
Unveiling a sobering state-of-the-climate report, President Obama makes clear the dire consequences of unabated global warming.
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As if parading its best evidence against an expected onslaught of climate denial, the Obama Administration released on Thursday an updated compendium of the accepted science about global warming.

The science review is intended to guide the preparation of the government's next National Climate Assessment, a periodic comprehensive report scheduled to be released in in 2018. The last assessment was published in 2014.

With the entire Obama climate agenda expected to come under assault by the Donald Trump regime, this report, released in draft form for comment by experts, lays down a marker for the climate consensus. It may well become a benchmark against which the next administration will be measured.

It is not just a map of the known climate science. It is also a political chessboard on which a high-stakes tug of war over science, energy policy and ideology may play out in the months ahead.

"This report is a comprehensive and updated assessment of the state of knowledge on human-induced climate change," the White House said as it announced the draft, "including observed and future projected changes in temperatures, precipitation patterns, extreme-weather events, sea-level rise, and ocean acidification, focused primarily on the United States." ...
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/23122016/climate-change-effects-global-warming-science-donald-trump
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 28, 2016, 06:35:59 PM
“Conservative politics and profitable clean energy go hand-in-hand. Governor Kasich gets it and Ohioans owe him a big thanks.”

Kasich breaks with GOP, keeps renewable energy standards
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In a victory for clean energy advocates, Gov. John Kasich Tuesday again broke with fellow Ohio Republicans, vetoing their attempt to put a halt to the state's requirements that utility companies get more and more energy from renewable sources. ...
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/27/kasich-breaks-gop-keeps-renewable-energy-standards/95347022/ (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/27/kasich-breaks-gop-keeps-renewable-energy-standards/95347022/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: 6roucho on December 29, 2016, 05:19:52 AM
[Sorry if this is off-topic, but it seemed like the best thread to put it]

A good article on Vox by David Roberts, on the social nature of science denial.

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For most people, most of the time, social bonds matter far more than any particular bit of knowledge, any fact or belief. This is especially true when it comes to the kinds of things defined as political “issues,” like inequality, climate change, and other societal risks, which tend to be somewhat abstract and distant from daily experience. Most people don’t have settled, coherent opinions on issues at all, just bits and bobs they’ve picked up from their tribes. They certainly don’t have enough invested in issues to warrant risking their tribal ties on behalf of particular beliefs.

Most people will settle for their parochial, inherited tribal beliefs most of the time. Humans gonna human...

http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/12/28/14074214/climate-denialism-social (http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/12/28/14074214/climate-denialism-social)

So: climate denial is a social process, about trust, rather than a cognitive one, about information.

I wasted some time these holidays arguing by email with a conservative commentator on an American political website. He'd written an article that included the assertion that climate change was a project of liberal elites.

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As president, [Trump] will have command of the executive branch and a veto to check Congress. It’s hard to see how Republicans in Congress will go to the trouble of addressing entitlements if their efforts can’t succeed. And it will be hard for liberal elites to frustrate his policies.

He’s on particularly strong ground on climate change. Global-warming alarmists proclaim that their dire scenarios are certain to occur, and they would be clearly right if the only thing affecting temperatures were carbon dioxide emissions. But many other things (e.g., the sun) affect climate as well, and the interactions among them and their differing effects are not fully understood, as the failure of climate scientists’ models to explain past observations shows.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443345/donald-trump-climate-change-entitlement-reform-action-torpedoed (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443345/donald-trump-climate-change-entitlement-reform-action-torpedoed)

I made some obvious arguments about climate change being a project of nature, but he was having none of it. He made his case so serenely that I was convinced he believed it completely. He wasn't even overtly anti-science: he simply (and infuriatingly) accused the liberal elites of distorting science in pursuit of their own social agenda.

Science is an unrelated system to social belief. We can believe what we want, but when the time comes to build a plasma television set, or a nuclear weapon, we turn to science for real information. No amount of tribalism can cause an electron to behave in a certain way. When it comes to the universe of things, it's what happens that matters.

But what happens when people start to dispute the facts we use to validate outcomes? What happens when people insist the faith-based TV showed a picture in experiments but the electron-powered one didn't, and believe it?

What can we do about that? It seems like a new dark ages to me.

Roberts, in Vox concludes:

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How can conservative elites be persuaded to think and communicate differently about climate change? That’s a subject for another post, but here’s a spoiler: The answer won’t be found in clever arguments or skillful persuasion, but in money, power, and material interests.

That seems correct. The contest for public opinion by the dissemination of scientific information is already lost. It simply isn't worth arguing with people who trust sources of misinformation, because any case you can make can be defeated by the same misinformation.

It has to be made directly about money. A lot of conservative opinion about climate change is simply the result of vested interests shaping the opinions of conservative influencers. The reality is that electricity from solar sources is now as cheap or cheaper than from coal in many parts of the world, including the United States and Europe. When that starts to shape balance sheets beyond the reach of subsidies then we’ll see an immediate change.

Provided governments don't intervene to prevent this happening. It's a trivial matter for governments to make electricity generation from clean sources more expensive to the point where investment in production becomes unprofitable.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 20, 2017, 07:32:02 PM
And so it begins:

"11:59 am eastern, the official White House website had a lengthy information page about the threat of climate change and the steps the federal government had taken to fight it. At noon, at the instant Donald Trump took office, the page was gone, as well as any mention of climate change or global warming. ..."
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-references-to-climate-change-have-been-deleted-from-the-white-house-website (http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-references-to-climate-change-have-been-deleted-from-the-white-house-website)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 20, 2017, 09:59:59 PM
From the Insurance Industry thread:  fossil fuel divestitures continue.

California Insurance Commissioner discloses insurers' carbon investments facing climate risk
Insurers divested billions in response to Commissioner’s first in nation request
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Today Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones announced the results from his Climate Risk Carbon Initiative, which required insurance companies with $100 million in annual premium doing business in California to disclose investments in fossil fuels and asked all insurance companies doing business in California to divest from investments in thermal coal.

According to the financial data disclosed, insurers surveyed have $521 billion in fossil fuel-related securities, which include investments in coal, oil, gas and utilities that rely on coal, oil and gas, $10.5 billion of which consists of investments in thermal coal enterprises.

Since the announcement of Commissioner Jones' Initiative, insurers have already divested more than $4 billion in thermal coal and other fossil fuel investments, and have committed to disposing of an additional $881 million in thermal coal investments. The data also showed that 303 insurance companies have already analyzed the concentration of carbon risk in their investment portfolio, and another 81 agreed to do so in the next 12 months. Insurer responses revealed that 670 companies divested some or all of their coal holdings, or had no coal holdings to divest, and 325 companies acknowledged that they would refrain from making future investments in thermal coal. ...
https://www.insurance.ca.gov/0400-news/0100-press-releases/2017/release004-17.cfm (https://www.insurance.ca.gov/0400-news/0100-press-releases/2017/release004-17.cfm)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: sidd on January 21, 2017, 12:34:09 AM
the bit about "future coal investments" makes a virtue out of necessity. The only large new coal mine is carmichael by adnani which is hemorraging even before production starts.

something tells me that adnani is not long for this world. couldnt happen to a buncha nicer guys.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 21, 2017, 07:57:16 PM
Bill McKibben:  Nice! #WomensMarch Antarctic style!
https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/822873123032690688
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: DrTskoul on January 21, 2017, 08:05:20 PM
+1
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 21, 2017, 11:34:37 PM
Women's march: Women hate Donald Trump so much they are even marching against him in Antarctica
A group of demonstrators will be marching in a part of Antarctica normally inhabited by only penguins, seals and whales
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“I set it up because I wanted to participate in the Women’s March,” she said. “I spent a month after the election mourning the impending damage to the earth that will be done. I felt like I needed to do something to be part of the global movement.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/womens-march-antarctica-donald-trump-inauguration-women-hate-donald-trump-so-much-they-are-even-a7538856.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/womens-march-antarctica-donald-trump-inauguration-women-hate-donald-trump-so-much-they-are-even-a7538856.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 22, 2017, 01:01:46 AM
So since the new U.S. president is so adamant about bringing factories and jobs back to the U.S., that means the country's overseas carbon footprint will lessen, right?

Just kidding. 

No.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 22, 2017, 01:10:54 AM
Dana Nuccitelli:  Soooo many people at women's march & climate mobilization event in Sacramento [California] ❤️
https://twitter.com/dana1981/status/822951604051546116 (https://twitter.com/dana1981/status/822951604051546116)


Edit:  more:

Women's March events take place in Washington and around the world – as it happened
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/live/2017/jan/21/womens-march-on-washington-and-other-anti-trump-protests-around-the-world-live-coverage (https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/live/2017/jan/21/womens-march-on-washington-and-other-anti-trump-protests-around-the-world-live-coverage)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 22, 2017, 02:38:44 AM
Bill McKibben:  They say LA is a car city, no one walks anywhere. #womensmarch
https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/822972547914469376

Edit: removed prior photo, which was not from the women's march.  This one is.
Women's March Los Angeles, January 21, 2017. Photo: @jaykimjpg
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 22, 2017, 02:54:04 AM
"Around the world, people are witnessing our resistance and hearing us reject him. That's important, too."

The Guardian:  Observer front page, Sunday 22 January 2017: Hundreds of thousands of US women unite to voice defiance over Trump

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/822943660438355968 (https://twitter.com/guardian/status/822943660438355968)


Edit: articles:
Protesters rally worldwide in solidarity with Washington march
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/trump-women-march-on-washington/ (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/trump-women-march-on-washington/)

Women's Marches Go Global: Postcards From Protests Around The World
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/21/510940708/womens-march-on-washington-goes-worldwide-snapshots-from-around-the-globe (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/21/510940708/womens-march-on-washington-goes-worldwide-snapshots-from-around-the-globe)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: solartim27 on January 22, 2017, 03:02:57 AM
The San Diego scene:
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 22, 2017, 03:54:10 AM
Alice Anderson:  Combined totals of 2.9 million make the Womens March on January 21, 2017 the single biggest political protest in US history. #resist
https://www.facebook.com/alice.anderson/posts/10209813052017265 (https://www.facebook.com/alice.anderson/posts/10209813052017265)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 22, 2017, 04:12:07 AM
Womens marches in U.S. and around the world, January 21, 2017 (day after Trump's inauguration).
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 22, 2017, 01:08:50 PM
Here we go!

@gen_deg: @EricHolthaus we need mass action/protest for the climate and planet a la the #WomensMarch

Eric Holthaus:  Mark your calendars:
Hundreds of thousands of people will be back in DC on April 29th to call for climate action.

 https://350.org/april-29-2017-lets-march/   

https://twitter.com/ericholthaus/status/823023351627010049


Has the sleeping giant finally awakened?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 22, 2017, 01:50:00 PM
It's Time to Stand Up for the Climate — and for Civilization
By Bill McKibben
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/stand-up-for-the-climate-and-civilization/ (https://www.wired.com/2017/01/stand-up-for-the-climate-and-civilization/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 28, 2017, 07:16:35 PM
Elon Musk Has Trump’s Ear, and Wall Street Takes Note
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The election of Donald Trump and the accompanying rehabilitation of fossil fuels should have been, by all rights, devastating for Tesla Motors.
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So why have Tesla shares surged since Mr. Trump’s election, closing this week within striking distance of a record high?
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One reason for that shift seems to be a budding bromance between Mr. Trump and Mr. Musk. The president-elect invited Mr. Musk to Trump Tower in December as part of a group of technology executives and named him to his strategic and policy forum of business leaders.

And Mr. Musk was with a group of manufacturing executives at a White House meeting this week at which, according to a participant, he broached the subject of a carbon tax. Surprisingly, Mr. Trump didn’t reject it out of hand.
...
A major fear of investors in solar power was that a Trump administration would end the federal subsidies so reviled by fossil fuel proponents. While that remains a concern, the most recent jobs data suggests that the subsidies have led to a surge in new well-paid jobs, exactly what the president has advocated.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/business/elon-musk-donald-trump-wall-street.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/business/elon-musk-donald-trump-wall-street.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 01, 2017, 05:17:20 PM
In an earlier debate on the bill, Green Party leader Eamon Ryan said this would a strong message to US President Donald Trump and oil man-turned-secretary of state Rex Tillerson.

“We are going to be selling your Exxon Mobil shares, sir, because we don’t believe in the future that you stand for,” said Ryan.


Irish lawmakers  vote to divest from fossil fuels
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Ireland could become the first country in the world to fully divest its sovereign wealth fund from fossil fuels3, after a parliamentary vote on Thursday.

Lawmakers split 90 to 53 in favour of ditching coal, oil and gas holdings from the €8 billion (US$9bn) Ireland Strategic Investment Fund.1

The bill, brought by independent representative Thomas Pringle, is expected to pass into law in the next few months after consideration by the finance committee.

“National governments have an essential role to play in backing up their Paris pledges by ensuring public funds are well placed to support the clean energy transition, and protected from the inevitable decline of the fossil fuel industry,” said Pringle....
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/01/26/irish-lawmakers-vote-to-divest-from-fossil-fuels/ (http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/01/26/irish-lawmakers-vote-to-divest-from-fossil-fuels/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on February 17, 2017, 02:56:12 AM
The linked reference suggests that more progress could be made in the fight against climate change if we were to use a marketing-style campaign directed towards conservatives to indicate that we could reclaim the Earth's good old days by stepping-up and taking action now.

Matthew Baldwina & Joris Lammers (2016), “Past-focused environmental comparisons promote proenvironmental outcomes for conservatives”, PNAS, vol. 113 no. 52,  14953–14957, doi: 10.1073/pnas.1610834113

http://www.pnas.org/content/113/52/14953 (http://www.pnas.org/content/113/52/14953)

Significance: “Political polarization on important issues can have dire consequences for society, and divisions regarding the issue of climate change could be particularly catastrophic. Building on research in social cognition and psychology, we show that temporal comparison processes largely explain the political gap in respondents’ attitudes towards and behaviors regarding climate change. We found that conservatives’ proenvironmental attitudes and behaviors improved consistently and drastically when we presented messages that compared the environment today with that of the past. This research shows how ideological differences can arise from basic psychological processes, demonstrates how such differences can be overcome by framing a message consistent with these basic processes, and provides a way to market the science behind climate change more effectively.”

Abstract: “Conservatives appear more skeptical about climate change and global warming and less willing to act against it than liberals. We propose that this unwillingness could result from fundamental differences in conservatives’ and liberals’ temporal focus. Conservatives tend to focus more on the past than do liberals. Across six studies, we rely on this notion to demonstrate that conservatives are positively affected by past- but not by future-focused environmental comparisons. Past comparisons largely eliminated the political divide that separated liberal and conservative respondents’ attitudes toward and behavior regarding climate change, so that across these studies conservatives and liberals were nearly equally likely to fight climate change. This research demonstrates how psychological processes, such as temporal comparison, underlie the prevalent ideological gap in addressing climate change. It opens up a promising avenue to convince conservatives effectively of the need to address climate change and global warming. “

See also:
https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/12/wouldnt-it-be-great-if-the-planet-went-back-to-how-it-used-to-be/ (https://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/12/wouldnt-it-be-great-if-the-planet-went-back-to-how-it-used-to-be/)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 19, 2017, 08:57:02 PM
The linked reference suggests that more progress could be made in the fight against climate change if we were to use a marketing-style campaign directed towards conservatives to indicate that we could reclaim the Earth's good old days by stepping-up and taking action now. 


This article discusses two studies that show differences in the brains of Republicans/conservatives compared to Democrats/liberals.

The Surprising Brain Differences Between Democrats and Republicans
Two new studies further support the theory that our political decision making could have a neurological basis.
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...First, in the American Journal of Political Science, a team of researchers including Peter Hatemi of Penn State University and Rose McDermott of Brown University studied the relationship between our deep-seated tendencies to experience fear—tendencies that vary from person to person, partly for reasons that seem rooted in our genes—and our political beliefs. What they found is that people who have more fearful disposition also tend to be more politically conservative, and less tolerant of immigrants and people of races different from their own. As McDermott carefully emphasizes, that does not mean that every conservative has a high fear disposition. "It's not that conservative people are more fearful, it's that fearful people are more conservative," as she puts it.
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I also interviewed Schreiber for The Republican Brain. He's a scientist who was once quite cautious about the relevance of brain studies to people's politics. As he put it to me: "If you had called me four years ago and said, 'What is your view on whether Republicans and Democrats have different brains?' I would have said no." Now, his own published research suggests otherwise.

The current research suggests not only that having a particular brain influences your political views, but also that having a particular political view influences your brain....
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/brain-difference-democrats-republicans (http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/brain-difference-democrats-republicans)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: rboyd on April 10, 2017, 07:17:08 PM
The human brain is incredibly plastic until about aged 10, so being brought up in a highly fearful environment (parents, teachers, siblings etc.) could wire it to be more fearful. Let's also remember that most republicans believed in climate change in the 1990's, then we had the counter-revolutionary onslaught of the right-wing against climate science and it all changed.

Dark Money, by Jane Mayer, shows in great detail how the rich and powerful in the US have used their money to fight against any climate change policies in the U.S. Even details how individual Republican politicians suddenly changed their stance once the floodgates for fossil fuel money was opened into US politics. The Koch and Mercer political operations rival that of the two official parties, and may now have a greater say over what politicians do.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 03, 2017, 06:14:22 PM
Catholic church to make record divestment from fossil fuels
More than 40 Catholic institutions will make largest ever faith-based divestment, on the anniversary of the death of St Francis of Assisi
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The sum involved has not been disclosed but the volume of divesting groups is four times higher than a previous church record, and adds to a global divestment movement, led by investors worth $5.5tn.
https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/03/catholic-church-to-make-record-divestment-from-fossil-fuels
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: wili on October 03, 2017, 09:40:00 PM
Thanks for that piece of (ever more rare, it seems) good news, sig. I was wondering when the Pope's encyclical might start yielding some concrete results in the behavior of the church.

And as the saying goes (sort of), five and a half trillion here, five and a half trillion there...pretty soon you're talkin' real money!  :)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on October 09, 2017, 04:56:17 PM
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Global #greenbonds overtake 2016 total: $83bn on 28th Sept: Now in sight of our $130bn by December 31st forecast.
https://www.climatebonds.net/2017/09/global-green-bonds-overtake-2016-total-83bn-28th-sept-now-sight-our-130bn-december-31st (https://www.climatebonds.net/2017/09/global-green-bonds-overtake-2016-total-83bn-28th-sept-now-sight-our-130bn-december-31st)
https://twitter.com/ClimateBonds/status/916744477913550854 (https://twitter.com/ClimateBonds/status/916744477913550854)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on November 14, 2017, 01:25:29 AM
”This pledge approach could become a model for progress in other states that also face corruption and foot-dragging on clean energy, such as the ten states flagged in a report by the Center for Biological Diversity.”

A group of Virginia state legislators pledge to take no money from the two biggest fossil fuel interests in the state.

Thirteen “Dominion $ Deniers” to Serve in the State Legislature, Countering Climate Deniers
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In a big win for anti-corruption and clean energy advocates, 13 elected House of Delegates members have pledged not to accept campaign contributions from Dominion Energy or Appalachian Power.  (Dominion has blocked clean energy progress for years by funding campaigns of candidates in both parties.) ...
http://bluevirginia.us/2017/11/thirteen-dominion-deniers-to-serve-in-the-state-legislatures-next-session-countering-climate-deniers
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on December 31, 2017, 05:29:36 PM
A new report says that the wider the gap between rich and poor, the more the environment suffers.

To solve climate change, solve income inequality
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Many people who live in low-income communities, for example, cannot afford to retrofit their homes to make them more energy efficient, meaning they use more power than necessary, generating more pollution.
https://thinkprogress.org/economic-inequality-drives-climate-change-economist-finds-ebdbfb3126ca/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sebastian Jones on December 31, 2017, 10:05:41 PM
A new report says that the wider the gap between rich and poor, the more the environment suffers.

To solve climate change, solve income inequality
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And the most efficient method of doing this would be to take all that excess from the world's richest...
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 14, 2018, 04:14:27 AM
“The case for divestment, it’s in part based on ethical issues … but most of it is based on risk, on the assessment fossil fuels are increasingly risky. That’s a trend environmental regulations won’t change.”

Growing fossil fuel divestment movement poses challenges for Alberta energy industry
http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/growing-fossil-fuel-divestment-movement-poses-challenges-for-alberta-energy-industry
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Thomas Barlow on January 21, 2018, 05:53:02 PM
A way to quickly identify dubious research will need to be developed:

""A climate science denial group with links to President Trump’s administration has been funding work to sow doubt that low-lying islands in the Pacific are at risk from rising sea levels.""

https://www.desmogblog.com/2018/01/18/climate-denial-co2-coalition-trump-morner-funding-sea-level-research-dodgy-journals
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 28, 2018, 05:45:30 PM
At Davos, bosses paint climate change as $7 trillion opportunity
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Businesses should seize a $US6 trillion ($7.45 trillion) opportunity to invest in tackling climate change over the next two decades, the head of an Indian multinational said at Davos on Thursday.

"Climate change is the next century's biggest financial and business opportunity," Anand Mahindra, chairman of the Mahindra Group, a $US19 billion conglomerate, told the World Economic Forum (WEF), an annual meeting of global business and political leaders held in the Swiss Alps resort of Davos.

Mahindra likened the transformation to when cars were first introduced and the industry that developed around them. Climate change will also bring new appliances, technologies and retrofitting of old ones, he said.

"Why on earth are we talking about this as a compulsion or a burden?" he asked the audience.  The idea that companies face a trade-off between improving the climate and their growth or profits is a "myth", he added.

"Everything our group of companies has done to try and improve energy (consumption) or to reduce greenhouse gas emissions has given us a return," he said.

"We have to dispel the idea that there is a trade-off (for business)," said Mr Mahindra, who is co-chair of a climate action summit taking place in California in September.

On Wednesday, Philipp Hildebrand, vice chairman of BlackRock, the world's biggest asset manager, told the WEF a new generation is ramping up pressure on asset managers to put money into investments with a strong environmental agenda and to push companies to play a bigger role in addressing climate change.
...
http://www.smh.com.au/business/at-davos-bosses-paint-climate-change-as-7-trillion-opportunity-20180126-h0owt1.html
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on January 28, 2018, 06:06:32 PM
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"Climate change is the next century's biggest financial and business opportunity"

YES!!!

This is what we need.  We need a rush to seize large parts of this new energy system.  We need money pouring in, building new wind and solar farms and solving the storage problem.  We need car manufacturers hurrying to grab as much of the EV market as possible.

Some may hate big business but we need big business building a clean energy system.  New businesses growing large or older businesses changing into clean energy businesses, doesn't matter.  What matters it that we need massive efforts.  And if people sense the opportunity to make money we stand our best chance of leaving fossil fuels behind.



Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 04, 2018, 04:23:11 PM
US House of Representatives: the Climate Solutions Caucus is up to 68 members!  Any Democrat who joins must bring a Republican as well. :) On the way to becoming a significant voting block.

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The Climate Solutions Caucus is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives which will explore policy options that address the impacts, causes, and challenges of our changing climate. The caucus was founded in February of 2016 by two south-Florida representatives Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-FL) and Rep. Ted Deutch (D-FL), who serve as co-chairs of the caucus.

“The Caucus will serve as an organization to educate members on economically-viable options to reduce climate risk and protect our nation’s economy, security, infrastructure, agriculture, water supply and public safety,” according to documents filed with the Committee on House Administration.
Membership will be kept even between Democrats and Republicans.
https://citizensclimatelobby.org/climate-solutions-caucus/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 06, 2018, 02:57:31 PM
Edinburgh University divests from all fossil fuels
Move makes it the largest university fund in the UK to ditch all coal, oil and gas holdings, following a long student campaign
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The University of Edinburgh is dumping all its fossil fuel investments, making it the largest UK university endowment fund to be completely free of all coal, oil and gas holdings.

The decision was announced on Monday and followed a long student campaign. More than 60 UK universities have now divested from fossil fuels, with the University of Sussex the latest to make the move.

Most existing fossil fuel reserves cannot be burned without causing dangerous climate change, and proponents of divestment argue this makes fossil fuel companies bad investments on both ethical and financial grounds. The risk to investments is taken seriously at the highest level, including the Bank of England, World Bank and the G20’s financial stability board, and many major investment firms have also divested.

The University of Edinburgh decided in 2015 to divest from the most polluting companies – those involved in coal and tar sands – but stopped short of full divestment. But now the university will sell its final £6.3m of fossil fuel holdings, in the companies Total, BG Group and Atlas Copco. ...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/06/edinburgh-university-divests-from-all-fossil-fuels
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 12, 2018, 01:46:27 PM
Jeremy Corbyn vows to tackle ‘climate catastrophe’ by putting energy system in public hands
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Jeremy Corbyn has vowed to make averting “climate catastrophe” a central aim if he wins power, arguing it can only be achieved with public ownership of Britain’s energy system.

In his most pro-environment speech, the Labour leader said his government would be “at least as radical” as the post-war Clement Attlee administration which built the NHS and the welfare state.

Labour would sweep away the “centralised system” of energy delivery, dominated by the much-criticised Big Six private firms, in favour of one with “new sources of energy large and small”, Mr Corbyn said.

“Locally accountable” operators would set up in every region to rival the Big Six, with the power to buy infrastructure from the National Grid, to deliver gradual public ownership.

The party has also pledged to ban fracking, insulate 4 million homes, deliver 60 per cent of energy from renewable sources by 2030 and plant a million native trees.

Speaking at a conference in London, Mr Corbyn said: “The challenge of climate change requires us to radically shift the way we organise our economy. ...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-big-six-energy-companies-nationalisation-public-ownership-fracking-ban-climate-change-a8204031.html
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 22, 2018, 06:05:41 PM
Let Teens Do a Town Hall on Climate Change Next
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In the wake of the Parkland school shooting, the survivors have become the face and voice of gun control sanity. On Tuesday, they used their voices in primetime on CNN to grill Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Florida) and NRA shill Dana Loesch. Florida Democrats Sen. Bill Nelson and Rep. Ted Deutsch were also there.

It was a tour de force watching young people who have been let down by adults and an entrenched political system begin to try tearing it down. There’s no reason to stop at gun control. Let’s see teens ask policymakers about climate change, the outlines of which closely mirror the gun control debate (h/t Just Security managing editor Kate Brannen).

Teens of today will face a more unstable future, one that could be outside the realm of anything humanity has ever experienced if carbon emissions keep rising. And yet our current crop of politicians has done basically nothing to address the root problem, almost exclusively driven by Republican’s slavish devotion to fossil fuel interests.
...
https://earther.com/let-teens-do-a-town-hall-on-climate-change-next-1823225096/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 24, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
Youth-led climate march on Washington
July 21st, 2018
http://thisiszerohour.org/

https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/966789938913185801
Image below.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 28, 2018, 02:13:05 PM
“Not surprising, given the fact that we, adults, are the ones responsible for the #climatechange mess. Time for the youth to act and claim what is rightfully theirs - a stable climate and livable planet. #youthvgov ”
    https://twitter.com/SamVarvastian/status/968578245468794880
    Article at link below.


“I’d say I do about three hours of conference calls every single day,” says the lead organizer of the march, Jamie Margolin, a 16-year-old high school sophomore in Seattle. “I’m not new to the climate activism world.”

Meet the teens schooling us on climate
https://grist.org/article/meet-the-teens-schooling-us-on-climate-change/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 17, 2018, 07:33:30 PM
Every week the Senate has been in session since April 2012, one lonely Democratic senator from Rhode Island, Sheldon Whitehouse, has taken to the Senate floor to speak about global warming. On March 13, Senator Whitehouse gave his 200th “It’s Time to Wake Up” speech on climate change.

Meet the U.S. senator obsessed with climate change
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He said he has “very intentionally wanted to be the witness on the ground” to tell future generations exactly why Congress has not acted. In his view, it’s not because of partisanship or the failure of the Democratic system, but rather special interest money flowing unfettered into campaigns, squelching any potential bipartsian compromises on climate legislation.
https://mashable.com/2018/03/17/sheldon-whitehouse-200-climate-change-speeches/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 19, 2018, 09:58:49 PM
U.S.:  A few more Republican Congressmen think voters care about climate change! (Additional Democrats can’t join this group until more Republicans do, to keep their numbers equal.)

Three Republicans join climate change caucus
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Three House Republicans have joined a bipartisan group of lawmakers dedicated to addressing the threat posed by climate change.
...
The three Republicans joining the caucus are all facing difficult reelection races in November, with Democrats making them top targets in the midterm elections.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/388354-three-republicans-join-climate-change-caucus


Climate Solutions Caucus welcomes 5 new members
https://citizensclimatelobby.org/climate-solutions-caucus-welcomes-5-new-members/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on May 19, 2018, 10:05:44 PM
Just because the Republicans joined the caucus does not mean that they will work to slow climate change.  They might not even bother to go to the meetings.

Belonging to the caucus will be something they can talk about during their campaigns when cornered by voters concerned about climate change.

Republicans have a game plan that they use over and over.  They do their really nasty stuff early in the two years between elections and start acting as "responsible citizens" as we get close to elections.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: TerryM on May 19, 2018, 11:00:38 PM
Yes ^
And it's been very noticeable at least since Reagan's presidency.


Break the economy in the first two years, then call the last two years a miracle as you bring it up almost to where it was when you began your manipulations.


I suspect that the Dems use the same strategy, they just traditionally haven't had as much cooperation from Wall Street as their better connected rivals.


Terry
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on May 20, 2018, 12:37:49 AM
Democrats may use the same strategy.

But they don't destroy environmental regulations, push fossil fuels over renewable energy, and make it easier for greedy people to rip others off.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 20, 2018, 01:26:25 AM
Just because the Republicans joined the caucus does not mean that they will work to slow climate change.  They might not even bother to go to the meetings.

Belonging to the caucus will be something they can talk about during their campaigns when cornered by voters concerned about climate change.

Republicans have a game plan that they use over and over.  They do their really nasty stuff early in the two years between elections and start acting as "responsible citizens" as we get close to elections.

 I think you might be a tad overly dismissive of this group. ;)

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“The Caucus will serve as an organization to educate members on economically-viable options to reduce climate risk and protect our nation’s economy, security, infrastructure, agriculture, water supply and public safety,” according to documents filed with the Committee on House Administration.

“Since the caucus began in February 2016, members have taken individual and collective steps to raise the profile of the climate issue in Congress and begin to explore legislative solutions...”.
A list follows....
https://citizensclimatelobby.org/climate-solutions-caucus/

Of course they are not, yet, exactly a force to be reckoned with. But I think they represent a serious tilt in the right direction.  They argue for a carbon fee and dividend plan, for example.  I believe a Democrat must vouch for any GOP member who wishes to join, so most GOP posers should be kept out.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on May 20, 2018, 01:54:14 AM
In no way am I dismissing the group.  I'm just pointing out that when Republicans do something like this close to elections it might not be best to take their actions at face value.

Especially in an election cycle when it looks very, very bad for Republicans.

It's the season when wolves drag out their sheep disguises.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: TerryM on May 20, 2018, 04:56:42 AM
In no way am I dismissing the group.  I'm just pointing out that when Republicans do something like this close to elections it might not be best to take their actions at face value.

Especially in an election cycle when it looks very, very bad for Republicans.

It's the season when wolves drag out their sheep disguises.
A 4.6% lead doesn't sound very, very bad for either side. If the election were held tomorrow it would probably be a squeaker for whichever side won.


Fivethirtyeight shows Republicans at 40.0% and Democrats at 44.6%, and the gap is closing.


Democrats don't need a win, they need a sweep where they pick up States and Governorships as well as Congressional Seats. If your district seems secure, donate some time and money to a neighboring candidate.


Everyone knew that it looked very, very bad for Trump last election.
Terry
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 23, 2018, 04:27:12 PM
Certifying “Profitable solutions to protect the environment.”

“Today, on the occasion of #MI3 and on the eve of the #CEM9, the @solarimpulse Foundation is proud to announce a new step towards achieving this ambitious goal: the launch of the Solar Impulse Efficient Solution Label. #NCEW2018 [see link below]  #1000solutions ”
https://mobile.twitter.com/solarimpulse/status/999292830454636544

The Solar Impulse Efficient Solution Label: a new approach to protect the environment
https://solarimpulse.com/news/view/the-solar-impulse-efficient-solution-label-a-new-approach-to-protect-the-environment
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: sidd on May 27, 2018, 08:08:06 PM
Some signs that the bankers are slowly waking up to the carbon bubble: Findings of increased interest rates after 2015 on fuel fossil finance. But

"The economic significance is rather small: a one standard deviation increase in our measure of climate policy exposure implies that risky fossil fuel firms from 2015 onward are, on average, given a 2-basis points higher AISD compared to less-exposed fossil fuel firms, non-fossil fuel firms, and themselves before 2015."

"Retaining the dichotomy between the pre-2015 and post-2015 periods, we find that a one standard deviation increase in our measure of climate policy exposure implies an AISD that is higher by approximately 16 basis points for the fossil firm with mean proved reserves scaled by total firm assets in the post-2015 period versus the non-fossil fuel firm. "

https://voxeu.org/article/carbon-bubble-and-pricing-bank-loans

sidd
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: gerontocrat on June 05, 2018, 11:22:18 AM
Some signs that the bankers are slowly waking up to the carbon bubble: Findings of increased interest rates after 2015 on fuel fossil finance. But

"The economic significance is rather small:....."

sidd

Things are moving on, sidd.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jun/04/carbon-bubble-could-spark-global-financial-crisis-study-warns

'Carbon bubble' could spark global financial crisis, study warns

Advances in clean energy expected to cause a sudden drop in demand for fossil fuels, leaving companies with trillions in stranded assets

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Plunging prices for renewable energy and rapidly increasing investment in low-carbon technologies could leave fossil fuel companies with trillions in stranded assets and spark a global financial crisis, a new study has found.

A sudden drop in demand for fossil fuels before 2035 is likely, according to the study, given the current global investments and economic advantages in a low-carbon transition.

The existence of a “carbon bubble” – assets in fossil fuels that are currently overvalued because, in the medium and long-term, the world will have to drastically reduce greenhouse gas emissions – has long been proposed by academics, activists and investors. The new study, published on Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change, shows that a sharp slump in the value of fossil fuels would cause this bubble to burst, and posits that such a slump is likely before 2035 based on current patterns of energy use.

Crucially, the findings suggest that a rapid decline in fossil fuel demand is no longer dependent on stronger policies and actions from governments around the world. Instead, the authors’ detailed simulations found the demand drop would take place even if major nations undertake no new climate policies, or reverse some previous commitments.
(Study link - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-018-0182-1 )

And more:-
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jun/04/what-is-the-carbon-bubble-and-what-will-happen-if-it-bursts

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sleepy on June 08, 2018, 06:01:23 AM
Money for nothin' seems popular, let's see how this goes.

https://www.ft.com/content/d27b000e-6810-11e8-8cf3-0c230fa67aec (https://www.ft.com/content/d27b000e-6810-11e8-8cf3-0c230fa67aec)
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-06/swiss-sovereign-money-plan-vollgeld-experiment-is-worth-a-try-ji3h9wvo (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-06/swiss-sovereign-money-plan-vollgeld-experiment-is-worth-a-try-ji3h9wvo)
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/05/switzerlands-sovereign-money-referendum-heres-what-you-need-to-know.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/05/switzerlands-sovereign-money-referendum-heres-what-you-need-to-know.html)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: SteveMDFP on June 10, 2018, 12:00:00 AM
Money for nothin' seems popular, let's see how this goes.

https://www.ft.com/content/d27b000e-6810-11e8-8cf3-0c230fa67aec (https://www.ft.com/content/d27b000e-6810-11e8-8cf3-0c230fa67aec)
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-06/swiss-sovereign-money-plan-vollgeld-experiment-is-worth-a-try-ji3h9wvo (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-06/swiss-sovereign-money-plan-vollgeld-experiment-is-worth-a-try-ji3h9wvo)
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/05/switzerlands-sovereign-money-referendum-heres-what-you-need-to-know.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/05/switzerlands-sovereign-money-referendum-heres-what-you-need-to-know.html)

Thanks for these links.  I had posed some thoughts and questions about the initiative.  The Bloomberg article answered them.  For deposits, banks would be mere pass-through entities, with the deposits going straight to the central bank.  All the banks would get for these would be, presumably, modest service fees.  Most, then, probably wouldn't want to be bothered with taking deposits at all.

Bank loans would have to be made from the banks' own equity.  The net effect would likely be a serious credit crunch, with escalated standards on borrowers and higher rates.  Almost certainly bad for the Swiss economy in the short run.  But the government could inject newly-minted money to limit the damage.  Longer-term, the net result might be some positive trends, but the banks would still likely not be winners.  That would likely be a good thing.

In terms of whether the initiative could pass, color me skeptical.  The banking industry in Switzerland is huge.  A bill that would so threaten this industry seems unlikely to pass.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sleepy on June 10, 2018, 09:06:52 AM
In terms of whether the initiative could pass, color me skeptical.  The banking industry in Switzerland is huge.  A bill that would so threaten this industry seems unlikely to pass.
Yes and the Swiss National Bank is against it. Some more in depth here with links to both sides:
http://www.dw.com/en/vollgeld-switzerlands-sovereign-money-initiative/a-44132924 (http://www.dw.com/en/vollgeld-switzerlands-sovereign-money-initiative/a-44132924)
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Thomas Jordan, the Chairman of SNB said: "Adoption of the initiative would represent a tectonic shift in our proven monetary and economic system, which has developed over a period of many years. Sovereign monetary is an unnecessary and dangerous experiment which would inflict great damage on our country."

Voting today.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sleepy on June 10, 2018, 05:39:55 PM
Done, outcome no huge surprise.
https://www.reuters.com/article/swiss-vote-sovereign/update-3-swiss-voters-reject-campaign-to-radically-alter-banking-system-idUSL8N1TC0B8 (https://www.reuters.com/article/swiss-vote-sovereign/update-3-swiss-voters-reject-campaign-to-radically-alter-banking-system-idUSL8N1TC0B8)
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* Swiss government said pleased with result

* Majority of cantons vote against the proposals

* Opponents warned of damage to economy (Adds final, official result, government comment)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 13, 2018, 10:03:48 PM
U.S.
Now, will individual Democratic legislators and candidates follow suit?

DNC votes unanimously to no longer accept money from fossil fuel companies
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The Democratic National Committee (DNC) has voted unanimously to ban contributions from fossil fuel companies, in a victory for activists and environmental advocates.

Following a vote over the weekend, the DNC will no longer accept donations from corporate political action committees (PAC) associated with oil, gas, and coal companies
https://thinkprogress.org/dnc-ban-fossil-fuel-companies-408e1595bcda/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Bob Wallace on June 14, 2018, 01:06:42 AM
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will individual Democratic legislators and candidates follow suit?

Not in a few states where failure to support the state fossil fuel industry means almost certain political suicide.

Unfortunately perfect is not always possible.  We have to start with what is available and work our way towards perfect.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 26, 2018, 12:49:36 PM
“We talk a lot about very aggressively switching to 100 percent renewable energy as quickly as possible. We need a Marshall Plan for renewable energy in the United States. The idea that the Democratic Party needs to be moderate is what’s holding us back on this.”

Important primary elections today in the U.S.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/21236/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-ice-new-york-cynthia-nixon-democrats
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on June 27, 2018, 10:01:07 PM
“We talk a lot about very aggressively switching to 100 percent renewable energy as quickly as possible. We need a Marshall Plan for renewable energy in the United States. The idea that the Democratic Party needs to be moderate is what’s holding us back on this.”

Important primary elections today in the U.S.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/21236/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-ice-new-york-cynthia-nixon-democrats

She won!

A 28-year-old Democratic Socialist just ousted a powerful, 10-term congressman in New York
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-crowley-new-york-14-primary/index.html

With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s victory, Congress will likely gain a new climate champion
https://grist.org/article/with-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-victory-congress-will-likely-gain-a-new-climate-champion/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: TerryM on June 27, 2018, 11:21:06 PM
Good news indeed!


Without ff bucks muffling their message & blocking their votes the progressives can win and change the course of the country, possibly the world!


Terry
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: oren on June 28, 2018, 11:10:11 AM
Great news.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 12, 2018, 01:11:28 PM
”Financial institutions are beginning to get on board with the global fight against climate change, a movement that was until recently the territory of non-profit organizations and environmentalists. Natixis, UBS Group AG and ING Groep NV are among lenders unveiling large-scale environmental finance and investing initiatives as central banks and regulators step up their warnings on climate risk.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-11/banks-pivot-toward-greener-finance-in-climate-action-push
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: zizek on July 15, 2018, 02:52:19 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-unmasked-as-top-donor-to-house-republican-pac

Elon Musk Unmasked as Top Donor to House Republican PAC


Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 15, 2018, 03:44:01 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-unmasked-as-top-donor-to-house-republican-pac

Elon Musk Unmasked as Top Donor to House Republican PAC
This is America Inc.. Maybe you were confusing us with a democracy?
https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-is-giving-money-to-a-gop-pac-because-it-helps-1827604794
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 15, 2018, 01:49:36 PM
Elon Musk (@elonmusk)
7/14/18, 11:06 PM
Reports that I am a top donor to GOP are categorically false. I am not a top donor to any political party.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1018330925384458240

<<Are you ANY kind of donor to the GOP?>>

Elon Musk (@elonmusk)
7/14/18, 11:15 PM
@danielbrennan Yes, about 0.5% of what I donated to @SierraClub, which is a reasonable amount to maintain an open dialogue
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1018333202140680192



Elon Musk (@elonmusk)
7/14/18, 6:46 PM
@jack_p Thanks Jack. To be clear, I am not a conservative. Am registered independent & politically moderate. Doesn’t mean I’m moderate about all issues. Humanitarian issues are extremely important to me & I don’t understand why they are not important to everyone.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1018265614295523328

Elon Musk (@elonmusk)
7/14/18, 8:25 PM
@jack_p That said, I do not actually see the checks (changed that policy today). A nominal annual amount goes out automatically to both parties to maintain dialogue. I have given vastly more to humanitarian causes.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1018290544986845184



“I am not even American, but hey check the PUBLIC list of donations.
Elon is not the top donor to anyone neither Democratic nor Republican. It is a smooth automatic payment spinned in something outrageous. Ridiculous FUD. Pathetic lies. Nothing to much to talk about.”
https://twitter.com/teslectrics1/status/1018395441287913473
Images below.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: zizek on July 15, 2018, 02:02:45 PM
Defending Elon Musk's actions has gone from humorous to pathetic.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Shared Humanity on July 15, 2018, 07:30:42 PM
Looking at that second list, Elon has contributed about $130K to Republicans and a little over $40K to Democrats. Seems a strong lean towards Republicans. Now I am not going to say people can't donate money to the party of their choice but I have lived in the U.S. for all of my 62 years and anyone who donates a nickel to the Republican Party is not someone I care to know.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 15, 2018, 07:52:51 PM
Sierra Club:  There have got to be better topics of debate than whether @elonmusk is committed to climate action. He has dedicated his career to the mission of replacing fossil fuels with clean energy & has strongly backed the Sierra Club's advocacy work. We are proud to have his support.

Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson)
7/15/18, 12:11 PM
I agree. The fact is, @elonmusk donates *200 times more* to the Sierra Club than to the GOP. We progressives need to choose our damn battles. Elon Musk is imperfect, as all of us are, but he has *never* been an enemy of progress. Indeed, he's always been an *ally* of the future.
https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/1018528421339648000
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: TerryM on July 15, 2018, 08:49:51 PM
Looking at that second list, Elon has contributed about $130K to Republicans and a little over $40K to Democrats. Seems a strong lean towards Republicans. Now I am not going to say people can't donate money to the party of their choice but I have lived in the U.S. for all of my 62 years and anyone who donates a nickel to the Republican Party is not someone I care to know.
In fairness the amounts donated are far from being significant. I'm personally just as upset about his donations to Corporate Democrats.

When Bill Clinton was heading the Koch Industries funded DLC

https://samsmitharchives.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/6467/

the Democratic Party could be seen as simply the Republican Lite Party. These folk are at least as dangerous to progressive positions as the Republican Party is, if for no reason other than the fact that if Democratic Leadership Counsel candidates prevail during the primaries, there are no progressive, anti-war candidates on the ticket in November.

Musk should at a minimum stay out of politics. Buying politicians taints everyone involved.
Terry
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 15, 2018, 08:59:45 PM
Looking at that second list, Elon has contributed about $130K to Republicans and a little over $40K to Democrats. Seems a strong lean towards Republicans. Now I am not going to say people can't donate money to the party of their choice but I have lived in the U.S. for all of my 62 years and anyone who donates a nickel to the Republican Party is not someone I care to know.

Everything is upside down and backwards now. The other day Trump claimed he's a more popular GOP president than Abraham Lincoln. This might be true if they had polls in the 1860s but they didn't.
As to Musk, I only hope he doesn't share any of the worst traits of some our previous industrial megalomaniacs.
Alexander Graham Bell
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In 1921, he was the honorary president of the Second International Congress of Eugenics which advocated sterilization laws across the country for those Bell called a "defective variety of the human race." Some of those laws were used as models for similar laws in Nazi Germany.
or Henry Ford, a eugenicist and antisemite, author of The International Jew (1927), was an ardent admirer of Hitler and the racial policies of the Third Reich.

With the advances in genetic engineering like CRISPR/Cas9 and Gene Drive we can fix genetic defects without resorting to barbaric practices like eugenics.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: zizek on July 15, 2018, 10:10:10 PM
Elon musk just had a meltdown and called one of the Thai rescuers a pedophile. Definelty something you'd hear from a pragmatic individual that's out to save the world
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: oren on July 15, 2018, 10:15:12 PM
Yay, Elon Musk is a monster again. Thank you Zizek for enlightening us. ::)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: zizek on July 15, 2018, 11:57:23 PM
You are welcome!  :-*
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sleepy on July 16, 2018, 09:47:19 AM
Oh, I had no idea when I posted this yesterday, here:
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg163390.html#msg163390

The story I read was this one:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/13/uk/thai-cave-rescue-british-divers-intl/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/13/uk/thai-cave-rescue-british-divers-intl/index.html)

Totally different background story on Vern Unsworth compared to those tweets Elon posted, looks like he has deleted them but this might not be over yet.
https://www.thenational.ae/world/asia/british-cave-rescuer-considers-suing-elon-musk-over-tweet-1.750751 (https://www.thenational.ae/world/asia/british-cave-rescuer-considers-suing-elon-musk-over-tweet-1.750751)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 17, 2018, 04:27:39 AM
Google is providing free access to a new global environmental database. It will also provide analysis, visualization and collaboration via it's "massive parallel cloud computing technology".
https://www.engadget.com/2018/07/16/google-un-human-activity-satellite-data-earth/

I don't have a link yet but will post one when I see something interesting.

Wonder how much this costs? The US government has pretty much stopped development of projects like this.

Update: Microsoft chips in 1 million in climate research grants.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/07/16/microsoft-national-geographic-ai-environment-research-grant/

My comment: Microsoft doesn't see this as a really important issue. But hey they have great nature photos on their websites!
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sleepy on July 17, 2018, 06:53:28 AM
Oh, I had no idea when I posted this yesterday, here:
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg163390.html#msg163390

The story I read was this one:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/13/uk/thai-cave-rescue-british-divers-intl/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/13/uk/thai-cave-rescue-british-divers-intl/index.html)

Totally different background story on Vern Unsworth compared to those tweets Elon posted, looks like he has deleted them but this might not be over yet.
https://www.thenational.ae/world/asia/british-cave-rescuer-considers-suing-elon-musk-over-tweet-1.750751 (https://www.thenational.ae/world/asia/british-cave-rescuer-considers-suing-elon-musk-over-tweet-1.750751)
My oh my.  >:(
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44846945 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44846945)

Edit; ok, so I can't let this go... Adding the two video snippets with Vern Unsworth. First the cause (CNN) and second, the one from the BBC article (7News).
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sleepy on July 17, 2018, 01:04:19 PM
A real documentary with real people and real heroes.

Out of the dark, ~56 minutes. Also a quick glimpse of Vern Unsworth at ~6 minutes.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/out-of-the-dark/10000580 (http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/out-of-the-dark/10000580)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sleepy on July 18, 2018, 01:28:18 PM
How to do a whole poodle? Eh, it has nothing to do with making poodle balloons; lazy solution:
https://blogs.transparent.com/swedish/how-to-do-a-whole-poodle-in-swedish/ (https://blogs.transparent.com/swedish/how-to-do-a-whole-poodle-in-swedish/)

This is not a whole poodle:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/18/elon-musk-apologises-for-calling-thai-cave-rescue-diver-a-pedo (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/18/elon-musk-apologises-for-calling-thai-cave-rescue-diver-a-pedo)
https://medium.com/@elonomuslk/%D0%B5lon-%D0%BCusk-%D0%BEfficial-%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD-and-%D0%B2%D1%82%D1%81-giveaway-9973e9a827b3 (https://medium.com/@elonomuslk/%D0%B5lon-%D0%BCusk-%D0%BEfficial-%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD-and-%D0%B2%D1%82%D1%81-giveaway-9973e9a827b3)
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5b4883b5a701a500aa2a5582/is-giving-awau-5000-ethereum-5b4883c383eff800a930fd0c#6576745 (https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5b4883b5a701a500aa2a5582/is-giving-awau-5000-ethereum-5b4883c383eff800a930fd0c#6576745)
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 18, 2018, 01:50:58 PM
It seems many people rushed to criticize Musk without realizing what was happening behind the scenes (and in the open, on Twitter).  Important background on the requests for help is here:

What's the full story behind Elon Musk's involvement with the Thai cave rescue effort? - Quora
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full-story-behind-Elon-Musks-involvement-with-the-Thai-cave-rescue-effort


“And mostly nobody mentioned the letter Elon got from Richard "Rick" Stanton, who IS a very experienced RESCUE DIVER.

Stanton to Elon: "We're worried about the smallest lad please keep working on he capsule details
...”
https://twitter.com/martinengwicht/status/1019383244104568832
Text image of the email at the link.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: oren on July 18, 2018, 02:58:08 PM
What's the full story behind Elon Musk's involvement with the Thai cave rescue effort? - Quora
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full-story-behind-Elon-Musks-involvement-with-the-Thai-cave-rescue-effort
Thanks for this Sig.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: zizek on July 18, 2018, 04:24:22 PM
It seems many people rushed to criticize Musk without realizing what was happening behind the scenes (and in the open, on Twitter).  Important background on the requests for help is here:

What's the full story behind Elon Musk's involvement with the Thai cave rescue effort? - Quora
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full-story-behind-Elon-Musks-involvement-with-the-Thai-cave-rescue-effort


“And mostly nobody mentioned the letter Elon got from Richard "Rick" Stanton, who IS a very experienced RESCUE DIVER.

Stanton to Elon: "We're worried about the smallest lad please keep working on he capsule details
...”
https://twitter.com/martinengwicht/status/1019383244104568832
Text image of the email at the link.

I love how this moron concludes by begging the media for fairness and accurate reporting. But in the same article heavily implies that Unsworth actually is a pedophile because, uhhh, musk said so.

Stop defending musk for fuck sakes. We can have electric cars and batteries without men like him.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 18, 2018, 04:37:05 PM
All rich people are evil. I don't like Musk because he's rich. It is a well know fact there has never been a good person that is rich.
QED.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sleepy on July 19, 2018, 07:45:06 AM
It seems many people rushed to criticize Musk without realizing what was happening behind the scenes (and in the open, on Twitter).  Important background on the requests for help is here:

What's the full story behind Elon Musk's involvement with the Thai cave rescue effort? - Quora
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full-story-behind-Elon-Musks-involvement-with-the-Thai-cave-rescue-effort


“And mostly nobody mentioned the letter Elon got from Richard "Rick" Stanton, who IS a very experienced RESCUE DIVER.

Stanton to Elon: "We're worried about the smallest lad please keep working on he capsule details
...”
https://twitter.com/martinengwicht/status/1019383244104568832
Text image of the email at the link.

First a quote from your article that seems to be very true when checking different sources.
Quote
To set context, Vern Unsworth is a retired British expat who’s been living in Chiang Rai. And it so happens that he’d been exploring the particular cave system where the boys went missing for some six years prior. This let him predict with fairly close accuracy where the lost party would be found. He was also instrumental in bringing in the overseas caving/diving experts.

Then check the BBC article, check the documentary by ABC Australia (not one single word of Elon Musk or the sub, do notice the size of the pumps needed to maintain the water level...), then check the deleted tweets and their dates, then check the date on this article while reading the content and watching the images.
https://www.thairath.co.th/content/1333851 (https://www.thairath.co.th/content/1333851)
Vern Unsworth was certainly around and visible down there.
The last image of Vern Unsworth via your own link.

I know Elon Musk does good, but he's still a bonehead
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/17/elon-musk-boneheadthailand-cave-rescue (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/17/elon-musk-boneheadthailand-cave-rescue)
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The fact is, the heroes of the Thai cave rescue were the divers of many different nationalities, some of whom were amateurs: the Thai navy Seals; the local government; the paramedics and doctors who treated the kids afterwards; and the kids and coach themselves for staying calm. And that is something to remember in the era of the strong man, whether in politics or Silicon Valley: sometimes the little people coming together can achieve bigger and better things.

When reading the deleted tweets and watching the documetary, I wonder if Elon was down there at all?
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: gerontocrat on July 19, 2018, 10:38:52 AM
In the end all the heroes turn out to have feet of clay, right up to their armpits. Usually it is hubris wot gets 'em. They are still heroes, though, but just human.

Mr. Musk, eat a little crow, you are not the fount of all wisdom about everything.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on July 30, 2018, 11:14:00 PM
U.S.:  Younger voters are more likely than their older counterparts to say that climate change is happening and must be addressed. Polling from earlier this year released by the Alliance for Market Solutions found that more than half of young Republicans are concerned about the issue. Nearly a quarter of people under 30 who identified as Republican in 2015 have already left the party, according to the Pew Research Center.

Why Some Republicans are Rethinking Climate Change
http://amp.timeinc.net/time/5348333/republicans-climate-change-carbon-tax
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 01, 2018, 06:47:31 PM
California:

NOBEL PEACE PRIZE LAUREATES ASK GOVERNOR BROWN TO TAKE “MORAL RESPONSIBILITY,” PURSUE BOLD ACTION TO PHASE OUT FOSSIL FUELS
JULY 31, 2018
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In letter from Women Nobel Laureates, Governor Brown urged “begin managed and just transition off of oil and gas production”

SACRAMENTO – Declaring that California has “a moral responsibility to act” and “climate leaders can no longer explore for and exploit new fossil fuels,” a group of Nobel Peace Laureates today urged Governor Jerry Brown to freeze new fossil fuel drilling and develop a plan to transition California “away from oil and gas production.”

In a letter to the California Governor, the Laureates emphasized the fact that, despite Governor Brown’s strong language to raise the alarm on the threat of climate change, California continues to drill wells and engage in destructive fossil fuel extraction. Over the past seven years, the Brown administration has authorized 20,000 new permits for drilling, including wells in sensitive offshore sites along the California coast.

“Climate leadership is being redefined, and we strongly believe you, Governor Brown, can be among those at the vanguard,” the letter states. “We know the vast majority of fossil fuels must be kept in the ground. Climate leaders can no longer explore for and exploit new fossil fuels, and climate leaders must have a plan to phase-out production by no later than mid-century. This transition will be challenging, but by starting now, you have the opportunity to work together with workers dependent on fossil fuel production to ensure they have the agency and support to build livelihoods for themselves in a post-carbon economy.” ...
https://nobelwomensinitiative.org/nobel-peace-prize-laureates-ask-governor-brown-to-take-moral-responsibility-pursue-bold-action-to-phase-out-fossil-fuels/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 03, 2018, 09:58:15 PM
Plus one for ExxonMobil, minus one for everyone else:

Title: "SEC abandoning climate investigation of ExxonMobil"

https://www.axios.com/sec-dropping-investigation-of-exxonmobil-e8fea73c-6375-42f1-a92a-c20f6bfefa8f.html

Extract: "The Securities and Exchange Commission is dropping its two-year investigation of ExxonMobil Corp., about whether it misled its investors with regard to the risks greenhouse-gas regulations poses to the company.

Why it matters: This is a significant victory for the oil giant, which is still facing pressure from multiple attorneys general investigations and lawsuits related to its actions and climate change. The news also bodes well for the industry writ large, given any affirmative action by the SEC in this case could have had broad implications.

Between the lines: While some may see this as the Trump administration giving Exxon a pass, the SEC is an independent government agency, so the influence of politics and the White House should be much less -- nonexistent, ostensibly -- than if it were a Cabinet agency."

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 04, 2018, 06:18:48 PM
The bottom line is that mankind does not focus on climate change sufficiently to stop abrupt climate change this century:

Title: "The bottom line: "We don’t focus enough" on climate change"

https://www.axios.com/climate-change-national-security-threat-f92444f4-e87f-4e4f-82aa-dc4dcf1be1f2.html

Extract: "The bottom line: "Climate change (like it or not, accept it or not) is going to have huge implications for global security. And we don’t focus enough on it.""
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: sidd on August 05, 2018, 07:41:57 AM
Klein is right. Reagan-Thatcher blew that chance. We would have been two score years ahead in curbing fossil carbon.

But  Diamond, and perhaps Ruddiman might argue the war was lost some ten millennia ago with the invention of cereal crops for agriculture. And I might agree.

sidd
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: rboyd on August 11, 2018, 01:45:34 AM
The thing that really blew it was the massive industrialization of China using their massive coal reserves (just like the UK, Germany, USA etc. did) facilitated by the neoliberal globalization driven by Reagan and Thatcher (and Clinton, Bush, Blair, Obama, and the transnational business/finance elite for whom they were simply sock puppets). David Harvey's "A history of neoliberalism" gives a good coverage.

100's of millions of Chinese got lifted out of poverty through state capitalism (the only real reduction in global poverty in the past few decades), and now the Indians want to do the same. This is the nub of the problem, the worlds poor want to be as rich as the Western country's middle class. In the process they will burn a hell of a lot of hydrocarbons, and destroy the biosphere, in lieu of a "war effort" type industrial transformation.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 21, 2018, 05:14:39 PM
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I have a suggestion. How about reporters stop asking whether or not political leaders “believe” in climate change and start asking if they understand it instead.
https://mobile.twitter.com/turnip2020/status/1031346786638548992
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 22, 2018, 04:46:13 PM
Florida can’t afford for its leaders to keep ignoring climate change | Opinion - Sun Sentinel
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If the national politics on climate change is ever to shift from denial to action — in time to stop the disgorging of carbon dioxide beyond the point of no return — Florida, he says, is the key.

Why? Because no other state is under greater immediate threat from the warming planet and rise in sea levels. And no other swing state has so many electoral votes.

As Pomerance puts it: “The impacts are extreme and the politics are critical.”

“This is the largest purple state in the country,” says Pomerance, currently a consultant for the nonprofit Rethink Energy Florida. If the state takes a new attitude on climate change, the “national impact can be very powerful.”   
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/fl-op-viewpoint-sea-level-rise-goodman-20180820-story.html
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on January 29, 2019, 08:04:43 PM
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Michael E. Mann (@MichaelEMann)
1/29/19, 1:51 PM
Great convo today at U.S. Capitol w/ Senators @SenWhitehouse, @EdMarkey, @BenCardinforMD & (not pictured) @brianschatz & @SenStabenow.
We talked about what it will take to get #ClimateAction in the U.S.

I feel more confident than ever 2019 will be the year we turn the corner!
https://twitter.com/michaelemann/status/1090321499884523520
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Neven on January 30, 2019, 11:50:59 AM
Hope dies last.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: sidd on February 07, 2019, 10:40:15 PM
Rape of Everglades continues: first oil well in fifty years

" Florida's First District Court of Appeal in Tallahassee ruled that an investment company in Broward County — Kanter Real Estate — can build an oil well in a section of the Glades just west of Miramar "

"the court ruled Kanter's stretch of land was already so polluted it would not matter if an oil rig were placed there."

This is an obscenity.

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/broward-everglades-oil-drilling-plan-the-first-in-decades-is-approved-for-kanter-real-estate-11074538

sidd
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: b_lumenkraft on February 08, 2019, 08:55:59 AM
Rape of Everglades continues: first oil well in fifty years

" Florida's First District Court of Appeal in Tallahassee ruled that an investment company in Broward County — Kanter Real Estate — can build an oil well in a section of the Glades just west of Miramar "

"the court ruled Kanter's stretch of land was already so polluted it would not matter if an oil rig were placed there."

This is an obscenity.

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/broward-everglades-oil-drilling-plan-the-first-in-decades-is-approved-for-kanter-real-estate-11074538

sidd

Great podcast on the topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo7u7hMjDN4
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Klondike Kat on February 08, 2019, 07:47:23 PM
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I have a suggestion. How about reporters stop asking whether or not political leaders “believe” in climate change and start asking if they understand it instead.
https://mobile.twitter.com/turnip2020/status/1031346786638548992

I can give you that answer already, it is "no."
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: rboyd on February 12, 2019, 07:49:48 PM
Its the Benjamins that do the talking.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: interstitial on February 13, 2019, 12:15:05 AM
Of course politicians need money. The 2016 U.S. presidential campaign cost 2.4 billion dollars and another 4 billion for the other races.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/04/14/somebody-just-put-a-price-tag-on-the-2016-election-its-a-doozy/

Unfortunately we have created a system where if your not willing to be bought your not going to get elected it is as simple as that. Once a successful politician gets into office they immediately focus on fundraising for the next election. Personally I think they should ban all political television and radio advertising. Further I would like to see significant new restriction on donation amounts and sources. This would include a ban on all money funneled through parties and PAC's. While not a perfect solution I believe this would reduce the influence of money in politics and increase the influence of voters.  Hopefully during an election season politicians would have to focus more on voters and less on fundraising.
All the restrictions the discourage third party candidates need to be removed as well. As we see in business a duopoly is almost as easy to subvert as a monopoly. We need more competition in candidates. Both 2016 presidential candidates should be jailed for life, in my opinion, for corruption. That said the climate would have been much better off with hillarly.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 16, 2019, 02:27:39 PM
After totally failing to secure money from Congress for his promised US-Mexico border wall, the US president says he will declare a “national emergency” and appropriate funds for it from elsewhere.  Democrats say such a precedent would allow the next president to act aggressively on climate change. 

Dana Nuccitelli: "A president who declares climate change a national emergency can then: 1) suspend all offshore oil leases 2) take steps to support 'critical technologies' like batteries & EVs 3) potentially restrict fossil fuel transport 4) regulate fossil fuel companies”
https://twitter.com/dana1981/status/1096492679540629504

Using Emergency Powers to Fight Climate Change
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Republicans are apparently worried that if Trump could use emergency powers by declaring border security a national emergency, the next president could do the same thing for climate change. There’s no doubt that this would be far more legitimate than Trump’s wall effort.  Border crossings are much lower than they were ten years ago; he has said in the recent past that his prior efforts have vastly improved border security. In contrast, the Pentagon has classified climate change as a threat to national security, and Congress under Republican control has even endorsed this view. Furthermore, scientists have made it clear that we have a limited time to head-off a disastrous outcome. ...
http://legal-planet.org/2019/01/14/using-emergency-powers-to-fight-climate-change/
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on February 24, 2019, 01:51:45 PM
Here, the drive against climate change action:

Revealed: How the Tobacco and Fossil Fuel Industries Fund Disinformation Campaigns Around the World | DeSmog UK
https://www.desmog.co.uk/2019/02/19/how-tobacco-and-fossil-fuel-companies-fund-disinformation-campaigns-around-world
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sigmetnow on March 09, 2019, 08:49:23 PM
U.S. Senate Republicans hold rare climate hearing, and more might be coming
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It’s been some time since the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee has held a hearing on climate change, so naturally its top two lawmakers felt compelled to get a couple of things out of the way during yesterday’s roughly two-hour meeting.

Global warming is “directly impacting our way of life,” said Senator Lisa Murkowski, the Alaska Republican who leads the panel.

Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, the top-ranking Democrat, added, “There’s no doubt that humans have made a tremendous impact on what we’re dealing with.”

It’s a baseline of understanding that, by now, seems obvious to most climate scientists.

But it was a milestone moment for the Senate panel. ...
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/03/us-senate-republicans-hold-rare-climate-hearing-and-more-might-be-coming
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: magnamentis on March 21, 2019, 12:23:38 PM
referring to money and politics in the title, worth to translate it for those who find ways:

https://videos3.focus.de/binary/2019/3/20/16/1497266805843-9777mu/Wo_sind_die_ganzen_Steuer_bersch_sse_hin___Offener_Brief_an_die_Regierung_-1553094887330.mp4
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: b_lumenkraft on March 21, 2019, 12:56:34 PM
Dude is talking about low interest rates are responsible for the surplus in the German gov budget and asking why it's now a deficit and wondering where the money is.

At some point, he's admitting that it was revenues due to taxes rather than low interest rates that drove the surplus (which is actually the answer to his question above).

He's FUDing about how social spending would be a ticking time bomb, a typical neoliberal talking point, easy to debunk.

Then a lot of BS buzzwords, more FUD and boring platitudes for 10 long minutes. He's calling for change without stating what that change should be, not advocating for any policy changes that should follow.

At the very end, he calls for a wealth-fund in the kind of what Norway has, but is failing to argue why that would help and how to fund it (actually Germany has no oil money as Norway does).
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: magnamentis on March 21, 2019, 08:59:39 PM
Dude is talking about low interest rates are responsible for the surplus in the German gov budget and asking why it's now a deficit and wondering where the money is.

At some point, he's admitting that it was revenues due to taxes rather than low interest rates that drove the surplus (which is actually the answer to his question above).

He's FUDing about how social spending would be a ticking time bomb, a typical neoliberal talking point, easy to debunk.

Then a lot of BS buzzwords, more FUD and boring platitudes for 10 long minutes. He's calling for change without stating what that change should be, not advocating for any policy changes that should follow.

At the very end, he calls for a wealth-fund in the kind of what Norway has, but is failing to argue why that would help and how to fund it (actually Germany has no oil money as Norway does).

if what you say is true than you did just the exact same thing you blame him for only with the difference that it's not true, your resume is wrong, does not even touch the point, his point was that the german government made a huge profit of the last few years and burned it for stuff thas can hardly be seen while not much much went into infrastructure or other investements and that he's wondering how they are going go manage once the numbers turn into negative.

problem with leftists is that their ideas sound just and sound while once they are in charge nothing is going to change in the fields they mapped but the treasury is depleted.

that you have your own views is ok and your good right but to resume a video that contains so much truth and discredit it is a "crime" and part of the spectrum of reasons why things go down the river.

naive opportunistic "gutmenschentum" does not solve one single problem but it's creating new ones,
i.e. it's causing disputes between the illusionary dreamers and the knowledgeable realists and therefore is binding everyones energy that lacks in the process to find real solutions.

Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: b_lumenkraft on March 21, 2019, 09:08:28 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Sleepy on May 11, 2019, 09:24:00 AM
A follow up on this hotheaded mess:
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1006.msg163779.html#msg163779 (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1006.msg163779.html#msg163779)

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/05/10/us/ap-us-elon-musk-lawsuit.html (https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/05/10/us/ap-us-elon-musk-lawsuit.html)

Not quoting, read if you wish.
Title: Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 12, 2019, 06:26:47 PM
Well, both parties just agreed that Earth is warming and it's our fault:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-11/new-bipartisan-agreement-on-climate-change-only-goes-so-far
while advocates swarm the Capitol:
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Climate-change-advocates-swarm-the-Capitol-13969049.php