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A disaster in waiting

By Sadhguru, Isha Foundation. Published: 19th May 2019.
Ecological problems are no longer a myth. The facts are ranged in such a manner that it is a clear statement. The way we are going right now, it is a disastrous path. But we call it “business as usual.” If we go with “business as usual,” the planet is in for a very serious turndown in the way it functions.
But we are not looking for solutions yet, we are only looking to slow down the disaster. We want to gift the disaster to our children; we don’t want it to happen in our time.
We are trying to handle a massive problem with small incentives here and there. That is not the way it needs to be addressed if you are serious about a solution. 
If we do not take corrective action right now, we will pass on a legacy which we will be ashamed of and which we will be accused of and hated for by our children and the next generation of people.


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« on: May 17, 2019, 10:36:27 AM »
Leader Is a Fool

Sadhguru at Berkeley Haas, streamed live on May 1, 2019, as part of the Dean's Speaker Series.

extinction rebellion
Newsletter 21 – The New Normal: Eco-action sweeps the globe, May 16, 2019 by Newsletter team:
The shift of consciousness is spreading fast across the world...

Let's do it together .

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« on: May 16, 2019, 08:25:06 PM »

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« on: April 28, 2019, 12:45:03 PM »
Unstoppable Ease

"A student asks Sadhguru about the origin of human beings, the different views given by religion and science, and which one to believe."

(When a human operates as a) scientist shouldn't believe anything. What I do not know...

Let’s Make a Heaven on Earth!

The book "Inner Engineering: A Yogi's Guide to Joy" narrated by the author, here and elsewhere, 9h.

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: April 28, 2019, 12:44:33 PM »
Is shift in human consciousness possible? "Yes!" says Eckhart Tolle (and many others, seek for what works for you) .

Inner Engineering, 2019-02-18:


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« on: April 25, 2019, 03:36:00 PM »

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« on: January 03, 2019, 07:18:00 PM »
Feel that inner Fire

"A little girl with big passion makes a spirited appeal to save our rivers."

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« on: December 31, 2018, 08:00:02 PM »
This is the Time

"It's up to us what we make out of this world"

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« on: December 29, 2018, 04:29:16 PM »
Rally for Rivers - a year after. Maharashtra is the most proactive state in India, says Sadhguru.

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« on: December 27, 2018, 10:00:10 PM »
Evolutionary Problem

The rest / Re: Astronomical news
« on: December 27, 2018, 05:53:37 PM »
We are entering the greatest era of discovery in human history, an age of exploration that the thousands of Kepler planets, both confirmed and candidate, only hint at.

Exoplanet Imaging from Space: EXCEDE & Expectations
by Paul Gilster on December 26, 2018
at Centauri Dreams

< long read >

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« on: December 27, 2018, 04:54:39 PM »
< < . > >

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« on: December 22, 2018, 09:54:55 AM »
>>> remind me of ourselves, momentary master of a dot. <<<

Thank You Life For Giving us Chance

(MP3 Song performed by Reine Morales Kabban)

Edit, i forgot the dot so here it is:  .

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« on: December 21, 2018, 10:42:11 AM »
++ * #. * :* o* !"*!*. '' ** + .. (;
'* The Secret Life of a Snowflake +o
(: *.* !*. *o * +* # o #+ " *+.* .** 

more at Café

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« on: December 21, 2018, 10:40:48 AM »
Don't Be Too Serious  .

Happy Holidays All!

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« on: December 19, 2018, 10:02:50 AM »
Update on anti-spookiness

While waiting for JC's classical experiment to be funded and done this happened:
Optomechanical Bell Test, Phys. Rev. Lett. 121, 220404 – Published 29 November 2018

Joy Christian comments on it, Mon Dec 17, 2018:
That is exactly what I have argued for the past eleven years. See, e.g., The key phrase of the authors here is the following:

"... without the need for a quantum description of our experiment."

What this means is that we have a definitive experimental proof --- published in PRL --- that Bell-type inequalities can be "violated" by purely classical, macroscopic systems!!!

Nature is beautiful isn't it .

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« on: December 19, 2018, 07:19:35 AM »
Corp-o-Rats in offensive?

Why Its Really About To Be Over For Patreon, WeAreChange, Published on Dec 18, 2018
"In this video, we give you the latest breaking news on peoples frustration with Patreon and their plan to take a stand and build something better."

Sam Harris Drops Patreon - Other Creators Follow, The Jimmy Dore Show, Published on Dec 18, 2018

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« on: December 18, 2018, 07:37:08 PM »
More from Great Greta

School strike for climate - save the world by changing the rules | Greta Thunberg | TEDxStockholm | Published on Dec 12, 2018
"This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community."

Greta Thunberg's School Strike for the Climate | UPFSI | Published on Dec 4, 2018
"In this sponsored program at COP-24 in Poland, 15-year-old Greta is inspiring kids all over the world to save their future from the rampant double-speak of their political leaders."


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« on: December 18, 2018, 04:32:17 PM »
Nemesis, Café is not the place for such discussions - please consider opening your own thread.
However, your style reminds me somehow on tedious "Russia, ..." thread so I'm afraid I'll not have much time to participate. Good luck .

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« on: December 18, 2018, 08:20:38 AM »
Nemesis, welcome to the forum!
Continues here

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« on: December 18, 2018, 08:18:11 AM »
Continued from

   about desire
   about bashing

Great storyteller

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« on: December 17, 2018, 08:34:24 AM »
Inclusive Economics

Sadhguru: Interview with CNBC at the World Economic Forum, Davos, Switzerland, 2006.
Enabling the World, Huffington Post, 05/17/2010 04:15 pm ET Updated Dec 06, 2017:
For the first time, we are capable of addressing every human problem on this planet — nourishment, health, education, ecology - you name it, we can address it. We have the necessary resources, capabilities and technology for the very first time, but whether we will do it or not simply depends on how inclusive our experience of life is. If you stand here and experience this planet as yourself, I don’t have to tell you, “Take care of it.” Every human being would do their best. In our lives, if we do not do what we cannot do, that is not a problem, but if we do not do what we can do, that is a disaster. And right now, what we can do compared to what we could do 100 years ago is so different, so incredibly different, but what’s missing is an all-inclusive consciousness, an all-inclusive experience of life. If we truly have to create solutions that are relevant for all, an experience of absolute inclusiveness has to happen to humanity, particularly for the leadership. And this is possible.
(my bold)

His blog at has a hundred entries.

Motto: "where there is a problem there is also an opportunity"

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« on: December 15, 2018, 10:18:07 AM »

Greta Thunberg @GretaThunberg
”You are not mature enough to tell it like it is. Even that burden you leave to your children.”

Here’s my full speech in front of the UN plenary at #COP24.

#ClimateStrike #FridaysForFuture #SchoolStrike4Climate #ClimateJustice

Bernie Sanders @SenSanders 11h11 hours ago: "”You say you love your children above all else, yet you are stealing their futures right before their very eyes,” - This 15-year-old activist @GretaThunberg just called out world leaders for their global inaction on climate change."

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« on: December 09, 2018, 10:40:33 AM »
63rd Annual Conference of Indian Orthopaedic Association, Nov 26 - Dec 1 2018:
Doctors in conversation with 'mystic', set of questions is in the video description.

what is truth

< cooperation, not competition, is what makes life possible >

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« on: December 05, 2018, 01:48:09 PM »
Greta Thunberg

Pinned Tweet Greta Thunberg @GretaThunberg Sep 16: "Fridays for future. The school strike continues! #climatestrike #klimatstrejk #FridaysForFuture"

”So we have not come here to beg the world leaders to care for our future. They have ignored us in the past and they will ignore us again. We have come here to let them know that change is coming whether they like it or not.”, Alai

< thanks to Sleepy et al. who already mentioned Greta elsewhere >

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« on: October 31, 2018, 10:07:00 AM »
21st Century Tribes

Majority of the voter population is a tribe member. No matter what their leadership do - tribe defend&protect them&that.
No democracy that way. Words are cheap, tribe alters their meaning - so to make it short:
In a living democracy you should never take a stance, this is something we have forgotten. Right now, in the United States I think only about four to five percent of the people decide the election. The rest of the people are already fixed. A democracy means that you evaluate the stance you want to take every time. And that is never a permanent stance.
He comes from the largest democracy in the world.


"if i am too abrasive for you..."
< off >

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« on: October 31, 2018, 10:05:06 AM »
The framework for a society to bring a positive change

   . internal consciousness
   .. public awareness
   ... proactiveness

< <.> >

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« on: October 31, 2018, 10:03:16 AM »
... What To Do: Help Youth - Future Belongs To Them

Sadhguru at IIT Bombay – Youth and Truth [Full talk], premiered 18 hours ago.

"On Sep 20, Sadhguru was at IIT Bombay as part of the Youth and Truth movement. Watch the vibrant QnA session that followed as Sadhguru answered students’ questions on a wide range of topics". The list of the questions... is in the video description.

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« on: October 27, 2018, 10:16:11 AM »
Distance Helps Clarity
   in time: String theory pros and cons
   in space: Jimmy Dore Went To Italy for it
   in dimension: Sliding dimension up gets Moebius Transformations Revealed

Notion of a scale/perspective also helps:
   Neil deGrasse Tyson's Earth's Smallness Into Perspective
   Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot
   Sadhguru's Big Man

All of above is outward oriented, now something of opposite: flesruoY gniwonK :)

< Man love talk but refuse to do, consequences follow, what to do >

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« on: October 23, 2018, 09:31:14 PM »
Raising Human Consciousness
    for a People in a Hurry

Go to the moon  8)

(Jason Major @JPMajor Oct 22)

+ Edit :

Amazing Competence: Apollo 14 landing from PDI to Touchdown

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« on: October 23, 2018, 01:12:58 AM »
sidd wrote: "I cannot resist straying from the thread topic to contrast an inset from another image, a famous one. This is the one from Cleveland."

Thank you, it links us & them :)

The rest / Re: Wildlife
« on: October 22, 2018, 08:41:17 AM »
"Natural History Museum unveils the top Wildlife Photographer of the Year images."

"Taken by 16-year-old Skye Meaker of South Africa, the photograph is of Mathoja, a calm 8-year-old leopard."

[ I exist. Do i think? ]

< Raising Human Consciousness > :)

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« on: October 20, 2018, 04:52:10 PM »
"Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flom is a podcast about tragedy, triumph, unequal justice and actual innocence.  Based on the files of the lawyers who freed them, Wrongful Conviction features interviews with men and women who have spent decades in prison for crimes they did not commit – some of them had even been sentenced to death.  These are their stories."

Inner Freedom for the Imprisoned: A conversation with Sadhguru, audio there: duration 49:26, 2018.

"In this special edition of Wrongful Conviction, Jason Flom is joined by Sadhguru to discuss his revolutionary work that has helped reform prisons throughout India."

Policy and solutions / Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« on: October 17, 2018, 10:06:00 AM »
Fits with the post by Sleepy, #1622, October 09, 2018.

Why Economists Can't Understand Complex Systems: Not Even the Nobel Prize, William Nordhaus by Ugo Bardi, October 14, 2018:

"Nordhaus' approach to climate change mitigation highlights a general problem with how economists tend to tackle complex systems: their training makes them tend to see changes as smooth and gradual. But real-world systems, normally, do what they damn please, including crashing down in what we call the Seneca Effect."

Appendix to the post above:
In Depth: Sikkim: India's First Organic State, Rajya Sabha TV, Published on Oct 16, 2018

ENVIS Centre: Sikkim, Status of Environment and Related Issues

Sikkim Agrisnet, Governement of Sikkim

Hand Book on Agriculture in Sikkim 2014-2015, pdf, 74 pages

Nice title but gone nuclear, lets rewind:

Agricultural Community

"New Delhi: The “100 per cent organic state” Sikkim, the first in the world, will get the “Oscar for best policies” at a UN ceremony in Rome and it bolsters efforts to attain the Sustainable Development Goals, an Indian MP said on Sunday.
Sikkim beat out 51 other nominees from 25 countries for the Future Policy Award 2018 — the world’s best laws and policies promoting agro-ecology — which will be presented during the World Food Week at headquarters of the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) on Monday."

"Gold prize winner Sikkim is the first organic state in the world, says the WFC.
All of its farmland is certified organic. At the same time, Sikkim’s approach reaches beyond organic production and has proven truly transformational for the state and its citizens.
Embedded in its design are socioeconomic aspects such as consumption and market expansion, cultural aspects as well as health, education, rural development and sustainable tourism. The policy implemented a phase out of chemical fertilizers and pesticides, and achieved a total ban on sale and use of chemical pesticides in the state.
The transition has benefitted more than 66 000 farming families, the WFC says in a statement."

(my emphasis)
Would be interesting to know what individuals do there, perhaps someone can add something on it.

The red panda is the state animal of Sikkim.

"ROME:  Sikkim Chief Minister Pawan Chamling on Monday called for global cooperation to make agriculture totally organic the world over by 2050, citing the achievement of his Himalayan state in northeastern India."

"Chamling said that organic farming was a form of action of non-violence.

He said when his government embarked on the organic farming mission in 2003, it was confronted by opposition parties and vested interests of the chemical sector. But through hard work backed by a strong political commitment, Sikkim was able to overcome the odds and become totally organic by 2015."


In an email interview Sadhguru warns on potential danger for Bharat NE:

"When there were plans for the Northeast, Jawaharlal Nehru was advised not to touch the pristine nature and tribal cultures of the region. Initially, it was a conscious decision not to touch the Northeast because the people were beautiful and they were living in their own ecosystems. They were doing great by themselves.
Later on, development started happening in unplanned ways, little by little. But today because of connectivity, everyone has succumbed to the western ways of life and they think we also have to become like that. The government has decided to put railways, airways, roadways and everything in the next 15-20 years. Once that happens, the rest of India will be driving all over the Northeast. That is going to happen to you because you asked for development. We can think it is development, but it is also a certain loss to the country."

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« on: October 14, 2018, 03:29:09 PM »
"On Religion", 2018-10-05, video from above has now 5,200+ comments and grows... (my impression is that most of participiants there are young ppl)
"Do not rebuke a fool or he will hate you. But correct the wise and they will love you."
is the recent comment (42 minutes ago) and reason why i made this post.

Meanwhile, in Pakistan.

Transcript of Sadhguru part used in video above, 2018-09:
Sadhguru speaks about how people fight over their own beliefs, and how they try to impose them on others, which will inevitably lead to conflict. Religion is a method to turn inwards and should not be reduced to a set of beliefs - religion is about changing oneself. The true conflict in the world is not between good and evil, but rather one man's belief versus another man's belief.

BTW: Sadhguru and Raftaar (Indian rapper and singer) - Instagram Live Chat, 2018-09.
On Motivation And Spark, Sadhguru answers a student’s question. At 6:37 "this university time should be shortened unless..." reminds me on what one of my favourite profesors have said to us, students: "If i'm asked, those who came here for a paper should get that after 2nd year so that we, professors, can spend more time with you who came here to learn."

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« on: October 12, 2018, 01:34:15 PM »
Currently 8.700 views (my hopefully included) for IPCC SR15 video above.


On Religion, 2018-10-05, Sadhguru at 8:45...
I like comments to; Pakistan, India & around, 3500+.

On Clarity..., Sadhguru - Joyfully Confused ;)

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: October 10, 2018, 12:00:02 PM »
Nature is beautiful but not mystical

Joy Christian wrote:
   In this thread, I want to discuss what in my view is the true difference between "classical" and "quantum" correlations and why "stronger-than-quantum" correlations are never observed in Nature. I have worked on this question for the past eleven years, starting with a short paper in 2007 and culminating in this latest: ... 5/5/180526.

So, then, what do the so-called Bell-test experiments test? Do they not distinguish the "quantum" correlations from "classical" correlations? Well, not quite. The results of the above paper suggest that when certain correlations in the Bell-test experiments are seen to exceed the absolute bound of 2 on the Bell-CHSH inequality, then those correlations stem from those aspects of spacetime geometry and topology that depend on the non-commutative quaternionic or octonionic numbers. If, instead, they depended on the commutative real or complex numbers, then for those correlations the absolute bound of 2 on the Bell-CHSH inequality would not be exceeded. That is all there is to it. It is both beautiful and non-mystical. There is no such thing as irreducible randomness, non-reality, "quantum" spooky-action-at-a-distance, non-signaling non-locality, or any other kind of silly voodoo in Nature. Nature is beautiful but not mystical.
(my font messing)
Also, he proposes a very simple experiment, costing no more than a few hundred thousand dollars, to test it. Sadhguru might like it, geometry/topology is very important to him .

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: October 09, 2018, 12:45:09 AM »
Kerala Flood Aftermath

Battling snakes and sewage to clean a city, BBC News, 2 October 2018
Isha’s On-Ground Action, Aug 30, 2018

Sadhguru @SadhguruJV 5:53 AM - Aug 24, 2018: "No matter who you worship or where you are born, human compassion and kindness trumps all. This is the power of consciousness. -Sg #KeralaFloodRelief"

Folk song from Kerala with English tune: Be Free (Pallivaalu Bhadravattakam), Published on Jan 9, 2017
btw: I admire this Kerala's Jain very much, he kinda turned my brain 'upside-down' and 'prepared' me for Sadhguru :)

Science / Re: Irresponsible research
« on: October 08, 2018, 11:22:46 PM »
Sabine Hossenfelder Retweeted Ed Yong @edyong209 Oct 5:

"There is a lot of talk about educating society about science. Perhaps what is more needed is educating scientists about society."

"A Controversial Virus Study Reveals a Critical Flaw in How Science Is Done" by Ed Yong, Oct 4, 2018

"After researchers resurrected a long-dead pox, some critics argue that it's too easy for scientists to make decisions of global consequence."

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« on: October 08, 2018, 09:53:02 PM »


Just enjoying how much attention that cats put to photographer   :) 

The rest / Re: Empire - America and the future
« on: October 08, 2018, 09:39:24 PM »
Ugo Bardi at Cassandra's Legacy Sunday, October 7, 2018:

"Empires are short-lived structures created and kept together by the availability of mineral resources, fossil fuels in our times. They tend to decline and fall with the decline of the resources that created them, and that's the destiny of the current World Empire: the American one. Will new empires be possible with the gradual disappearance of the abundant mineral resources of the past? Maybe not, and Donald Trump could be the last world emperor in history."

"The whole political debate in the US reflects this situation. The Dems (or the Left) have come to embrace the Imperialist viewpoint, pursuing an aggressive foreign policy. The Reps (or the Right) are no enemies of the Empire, but many of them favor retrenching within the US national borders. There is a certain logic in these positions: the political base of the Dems is in the impoverished remnants of the middle class and, for them, the only hope of survival is the economic expansion that could come from plundering foreign countries. The Reps, instead, represent the elites and, for them, the easiest way of maintaining their dominance is to plunder the American middle class."

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« on: October 08, 2018, 12:18:23 PM »
3 pertinent individual! questions: who am I, where have I come from, where am I going.
... you will see people, most of them driving their dream machines on Bangalore streets, all right?
How many are driving joyfully? ... If the traffic light takes ten more seconds they are freaking in their dream machine. Is it not a blessing that you bought this dream machine after working for whatever number of years, ...
The traffic is making sure, you stay in your dream machine for a little longer, what's your problem?

Quack, LukeWeAreChange con-spiritualy on some parts of it.


The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: October 07, 2018, 11:25:15 AM »
Our Second Brain

Not sleeping enough, skipping breakfast and too much coffee made my 2nd Brain alarmed, generating neurogenic contractions of smooth muscle in the gastrointestinal tract. I've to respond.

< The most complex laboratory in the universe known to us - how much it costs? Every one of us have one. Who controls it? The owner or a hacker? Where is the keyboard? User Manual? >

What A Wonderful World

"Hey Pops, what you mean 'What a wonderful world'?

< Reaction NOT, Respond YES :: Compulsively NOT, Consciously YES >

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: October 06, 2018, 09:04:15 PM »
Zenzile Miriam Makeba: Zulu song "Mbube", ...

Rhythm in everything  she does, Sadhguru might like it   :) 

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: October 06, 2018, 09:42:53 AM »
La musica di notte

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: October 05, 2018, 04:01:27 PM »
How a managers meeting should look like ? Watching it you could get an impression:

"A groundbreaking event that brought together deep insights & unique perspectives from Sadhguru and speakers from some of the world's top organizations (Google / Amazon / Tata Motors) on unraveling human potential in today’s disruptive business environment. If you missed the event, do not miss the telecast on BTVI..."

< The most complex laboratory in the universe known to us - how much that cost? Every one of us have one. >

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: October 04, 2018, 10:48:04 AM »

Narendra Modi @narendramodi 5h5 hours ago:
A clean environment will further human empowerment.

In my op-ed today, I write about how, inspired by our historical values, 130 crore Indians are proactively working towards a cleaner and greener planet.

Op-ed: The green state of mind
"Yesterday, the United Nations honoured me with the ‘Champions of the Earth Award’. While I was extremely humbled at receiving this honour, I do feel that this award is not for an individual. Instead, it is a recognition of Indian culture and values, which have always placed emphasis on living in harmony with Mother Nature."

I forgot the most important bits, so edit:
Three things will determine how we as a society can bring a positive change.

.  The first is internal consciousness.
.. The second aspect is public awareness.
...proactiveness as the third facet of bringing a positive change.

"As I have written earlier, our actions today will have an impact on human civilisation much beyond our time. It is upto us to take on the mantle of global responsibility towards a sustainable future. The world needs to shift to a paradigm of environmental philosophy that is anchored in environmental consciousness rather than merely government regulations."

The writer is Prime Minister of India.


Sadhguru and PM Modi live video interaction for "Swachta hi Seva" campaign, Sep 15, 2018.
Following 1st Sadhguru sentence kinda big stone fall from PM Modi's shoulders :)

<planned for Unsorted but conversation is going on there>

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