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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3800 on: June 10, 2024, 02:14:16 PM »
Elon says they are stripping the tiles off Ship 5 and putting on tiles twice as thick.  The other front flap got pretty overheated but the rear flaps appeared to be acceptable.

About a month for the next launch.  Also he intends to catch the booster.

V2 ship, apparently, is not compatible with Launch Tower 1.  So the new launch tower will be needed for V2 ships then tower 2 will need to be modified.  Probably new chopsticks ship QD and booster QD.
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3801 on: June 10, 2024, 08:14:55 PM »
Elon Musk on Next Starship Launch:
 
"The next Starship Launch hopefully in about a month. We're going to replace the whole heat shield on the ship. The new tile is about twice as strong as the old ones."
SpaceX also wants to put an ablative secondary structure (protective layer) behind the tiles so that if a tile cracks or becomes loose it won't cook the rocket.
➡️ pic.twitter.com/557vceHC69  44 sec.  With captions, while playing the video game.

Source: https://x.com/cyb3rgam3r420/status/1799935298803208282 [the live stream link]

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“The SpaceX Starship tiles appear to use studs to fasten tile. The rear of the tiles may have holes for some adhesive or threads with inserts. Underneath the tiles is the insulation (white) required to isolate the super-cold propellant in the tanks. All this will see temperature swings – super-cold on the stainless-steel side when the propellant is loaded, super-hot on the black tile side when returning from orbit. Besides contraction and expansion, everything will flex and bend from launch, flight, and return forces. So, all the insulation and tile must be allowed to move too. To top it off, hot gas on re-entry likes smooth surfaces, so any transitions create unique design challenges.”
 
Credit: Kuhiria on reddit. 
6/10/24, https://x.com/basicallyholden/status/1800186566008279151
 
⬇️ pic.twitter.com/hzEk15EzB0  photo below: heat tiles/layers/studs

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Elon delighted his supporters today with an over 5 hour long livestream that went until about 10:45pm CT. He was testing Starlink's use with X live game streaming (Diablo) on his account @cyb3rgam3r420
Elon shared that he had a hotdog for lunch and took his kids to the monster truck expo as they love monstertrucks!

STARSHIP
Elon Musk answered questions during a gaming livestream about Starship, Tesla, Optimus, and X deboosting. …
 
"next launch with new heat tiles (2x strong) will likely launch in 1 month"
 
SpaceX aims for full heat shield reusability, which has never been done before.

He said we need around 10 million tons of cargo along with a million people on Mars to be self-sustaining.
 
"We'll be able to make the tower withstand 1000s of landings. "

"We've gone from utterly insane to merely late!"
 
"We are aiming for a first Starship launch end of 2025 from out of Florida."

Elon said SpaceX will release some flappy rocket merch to honor launch 4, and he cannot believe that rocket did so well despite having a damaged flap.

Elon explained how he's working with UC Berkeley to bring up a huge space telescope to space.
 
"We are aiming for trips to Mars to be 2 to 4 months long."
 
"We'll have Boring machines on the Moon and on Mars."

"Every 2 years, we'll try to get thousands of ships to Mars"

 
"We are not going to do a Tesla phone."

 
So how did the testing of Starlink's use with X live game streaming go? SUCCESS! The stream was flawless.  Great job by Elon and his Starlink team and X game streaming team.
 
I saw some great ppl in the chat too, such as @BigImpactHumans  @S3XYstarship @StephMHalbrook and @ProximaCB55 @truth_zeeker and @CSI_Starbase  @paranoidream @FreebornAmanda and " and over 140K live viewers! Wow! We loved this conversation along with the game stream, epic cool.
6/10/24, 12:09 AM https://x.com/gailalfaratx/status/1800017359232512142

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ELON IN 2010: FULLY REUSABLE ROCKET NEEDED TO MAKE LIFE MULTI-PLANETARY
"The really big breakthrough, the fundamental invention that's needed to make life multi-planetary, is a fully reusable orbit-class rocket system.
The Space Shuttle is partly reusable, but the main tank is thrown away every time, and even the parts that are supposed to be reusable are so difficult to reuse or refurbish that the Space Shuttle costs about four times as much per flight as an equivalent expendable vehicle.
There have been many attempts to build a reusable rocket system, but they have always been canceled once they discovered that success was not one of the possible outcomes.
But this is fundamentally something that has to be solved if life's got to become multi-planetary.
At SpaceX, we're hoping to make some progress in that direction."
 
Source: Elon Musk lecture at Yale University. October 14, 2010.
➡️ pic.twitter.com/Aqdib29tpi 

Elon Musk
Sorry it’s taken so long to make it happen, but we’re super close now
6/8/24, 11:13 PM  https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1799640950752641233

 
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< What is the demand/business case for multiple human rated capsules once the ISS ends its service?   Seeing some conflicting info, love to hear it from space twitter

Eric Berger
Theoretically there are commercial space stations coming online circa 2030. It would be good to have competition for Dragon. But this seems unlikely given that Boeing will probably not continue past its ISS missions nor be able to match Dragon on price.
6/8/24, 9:12 PM  https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1799610415887884372
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Starliner is the only realistic competitor. Dreamchaser is likely never happening for crew. Europe won’t move ahead any time soon. Maybe India will emerge with a commercial Leo service. We’ll see. Long term, Starship probably swamps them all but that’s 10+ years away.
6/8/24, 9:14 PM. https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1799611036238315576
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3802 on: June 11, 2024, 11:20:12 PM »
2-4 months is a high energy transit.  Tells us a lot about how much fuel they will need to get there and also to stop at the other end.
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« Reply #3803 on: June 12, 2024, 02:54:21 AM »
2-4 months is a high energy transit.  Tells us a lot about how much fuel they will need to get there and also to stop at the other end.
Today’s ΔV rule book limitations will need to be completely rewritten when SpaceX gets in-space “refilling” solved.
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« Reply #3804 on: June 12, 2024, 02:57:29 AM »
Everyday Astronaut
Curious how the orbital launch tower held up after launch? So was I! I took some of our footage and watched the chopsticks move after the launch (into a practice catch position?). @elonmusk talked about upgrades to the arms in our tour that will hopefully come out next week!
➡️ pic.twitter.com/xYfFg8wUVB  1 min. Launch. Switch to 8x, chopsticks closing

Elon Musk
No major damage
6/11/24, 2:33 PM. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1800597113635545184

 
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I'd love to know if there were similar symptoms on any of the other 3 flaps. Given #SpaceX are now completely replacing the heat shield on the Flight 5 Starship, would love to know how the other flaps held.
The controlled landing after this was nuts! 🤯
Any hints @elonmusk?
➡️ pic.twitter.com/SUE2hyiCt2  3 sec: That vid of the flap melting.

Elon Musk
Left flap also got very hot, but was less damaged.
Rear flaps seemed to be ok, based on their control authority, but probably lost some tiles.

6/10/24, https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1800129599273406820
 
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NSF update vid
Looking Ahead To The Next Starship Flight ALREADY | Starbase Update - YouTube
21 min. June 10. 


Clip: the deluge system also started up again about 7 min into flight, about the time the booster would be landing. Further prep for booster catch?
Ship 30 & Booster 12 for next flight
Rings seen that should be for the 8th flight!
Tank farm 1.0 will be expanded and become part of pad 2.0, rather than a separate system for the other tower.

 
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If there is any hope at all for Artemis III to happen in 2026, Starship needs to fly this challenging mission in the next nine months.
 
The test will entail a lot of technology, including docking mechanisms, navigation sensors, quick disconnects, and more.
 
As NASA watches Starship closely, here’s what the agency wants to see next
Eric Berger - 6/11/2024
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Few people were happier with the successful outcome of last week's test flight of SpaceX's Starship launch system than a NASA engineer named Catherine Koerner.

In remarks after the spaceflight, Koerner praised the "incredible" video of the Starship rocket and its Super Heavy booster returning to Earth, with each making a soft landing. "That was very promising, and a very, very successful engineering test," she added, speaking at a meeting of the Space Studies Board.

A former flight director, Koerner now manages development of the "exploration systems" that will support the Artemis missions for NASA—a hugely influential position within the space agency. This includes the Space Launch System rocket, NASA's Orion spacecraft, spacesuits, and the Starship vehicle that will land on the Moon.

In recent months, NASA officials like Koerner have been grappling with the reality that not all of this hardware is likely to be ready for the planned September 2026 launch date for the Artemis III mission. In particular, the agency is concerned about Starship's readiness as a "Human Landing System." While SpaceX is pressing forward rapidly with a test campaign, there is still a lot of work to be done to get the vehicle down to the lunar surface and safely back into lunar orbit.

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For these reasons, as Ars previously reported, NASA and SpaceX are planning for the possibility of modifying the Artemis III mission. Instead of landing on the Moon, a crew would launch in the Orion spacecraft and rendezvous with Starship in low-Earth orbit. This would essentially be a repeat of the Apollo 9 mission, buying down risk and providing a meaningful stepping stone between Artemis missions.

Officially, NASA maintains that the agency will fly a crewed lunar landing, the Artemis III mission, in September 2026. But almost no one in the space community regards that launch date as more than aspirational. Some of my best sources have put the most likely range of dates for such a mission from 2028 to 2032. A modified Artemis III mission, in low-Earth orbit, would therefore bridge a gap between Artemis II and an eventual landing….
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/as-nasa-watches-starship-closely-heres-what-the-agency-wants-to-see-next/
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3805 on: June 12, 2024, 02:58:48 AM »
yes, the magnificent elon is rewriting the laws of physics. all hail the white paper.
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3806 on: June 12, 2024, 03:00:55 AM »
Zack Golden @CSI_Starbase
—- 🚨 Starship Environmental Impact Statement for LC39A
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Some notable mentions from this document include:

Vehicle Design
-35 Engines On Superheavy and 9 Engines on Starship

Expected Launch Cadence
-Up to 44 launches per year from Starship at 39A with landings permitted both at the pad and on drone ships.

Pad Infrastructure
-A separate Catch Tower which is located further to the south from the existing Integration Tower.


*I think this may be to allow them to catch the Booster and Ship on separate towers. The alternative would be to catch the ship while the booster is on the pad. This may be to reduce risk of damage to the booster.

Natural Gas Pre-Treatment and Liquefaction System
- This is great because it means there will likely be a Natural gas pipeline feeding this location and will drastically reduce traffic to and from the launch site.
35 Engines on the Booster & 9 Engines on the Ship

Air Separation Plant
- Similar to the Natural Gas facility, they will also have the ability to produce Liquid Oxygen and Nitrogen on site.

Deluge System
- Up to 1 million Gallons of Water is expected to be used during launch operations. For perspective, this is nearly 2.5 times larger than the current deluge system at Starbase

🔗 https://www.faa.gov/media/80626

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Some additional thoughts on the catch tower because I already know a lot of you are going to bring up my past quotes: "Catch only towers ain't a real thing"

Second Stage vehicles will not always immediately return to the launch site after deploying payloads. They may remain in orbit for days/weeks/months before they return .

ex: Tanker variants may offload propellant into orbital depots and then return to the Launch pad, refuel, and launch again on the same booster.

In the case of Starlink launches, after landing the ships will need return to the payload integration facility. The same booster may end up remaining at the pad, waiting for another ship to be stacked on top. Therefore, it makes sense that SpaceX may want a secondary landing zone for these situations.

Theoretically a second stage vehicle can return hours before another another ship is scheduled to launch. This is not something we should expect to see happen at Starbase.
6/11/24, https://x.com/csi_starbase/status/1800618501943501124
 
< I would hazard a guess it's to enable RTLS abort modes for Starship
ZG: Thats a really good point
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3807 on: June 12, 2024, 03:45:06 PM »
yes, the magnificent elon is rewriting the laws of physics. all hail the white paper.

“In fact, all space missions whether robotic or crewed, historical or planned, have been designed with constraints that are not relevant to Starship.”

Starship is Still Not Understood
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2021/10/28/starship-is-still-not-understood/
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3808 on: June 13, 2024, 12:01:39 AM »
BREAKING Great news: 
 
The FAA is not requiring SpaceX conduct a mishap investigation of Starship's 4th flight test
6/12/24, 5:41 PM. https://x.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1801006816794435767

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The FAA is not requiring an investigation. The FAA assessed the operations of the SpaceX Starship Flight 4 mission. All flight events for both the Starship vehicle and the Super Heavy booster appear to have occurred within the scope of planned and authorized activities.

Thus, the biggest reason for most Starship flight delays will not be a factor for Test Flight 4.
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3809 on: June 13, 2024, 01:28:38 AM »
BREAKING
Disturbing comms from the ISS.  It sounds like one of the astronauts may have experienced decompression sickness, and is being treated for it.

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@NASASpaceflight
Something is going on with the ISS, as heard over the loop in the NSF forum Expedition 71 live update thread:

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=59517.msg2600421#msg2600421

Ref: [NASA Live feed] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPTD2gnZFUw&feature=youtu.be

Some very odd, and disturbing, audio just aired on the ISS Youtube feed.  A flight surgeon for SpaceX? (she referenced being on the way to MCC-X but was stuck in traffic) was talking to someone about getting the "Commander" into his suit, putting an oxygen mask with 100% oxygen, and talking about hyperbaric exposure. 

"She stated the Commander's outlook was "doubtful." She believed the conversation was privatized, obviously it was not, and finished by passing contact info for a hospital in Spain.

Whoever she was talking to was not heard and I verified the exchange was in fact on the ISS feed by reloading the page and starting it from scratch and heard the conversation continue."
6/12/24, 7:07 PM https://x.com/nasaspaceflight/status/1801028546703306765
 
 < heard dcs hits over comms. decompression sickness

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This almost sounds like someone has contracted ' the bends (?) on-orbit with a possible [hyperbaric] treatment, and hearing that the prognosis for CDR is tenuous at best . Will continue to monitor but nothing official ( yet) from anyone.
6/12/24, 7:19 PM https://x.com/genejm29/status/1801031702388555928
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3810 on: June 13, 2024, 01:35:48 AM »
They are preparing for tomorrow’s EVA
 
Astronauts Work Final Spacewalk Preps and Genetic Sequencing – Space Station
June 12
The Expedition 71 crew is in final preparations for a science and maintenance spacewalk set to begin Thursday morning. The two astronauts on NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test spent their day aboard the International Space Station performing genetic sequencing and orbital plumbing.

NASA astronauts Tracy C. Dyson and Matthew Dominick are in their final day of preparations for a spacewalk planned to start at 8 a.m. EDT on Thursday. …

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2024/06/12/astronauts-work-final-spacewalk-preps-and-genetic-sequencing/
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3811 on: June 13, 2024, 01:43:29 AM »
Chris Bergin - NSF @NASASpaceflight
Best case is a drill that should never have made it on to the loop. That's what I'm hoping for.
6/12/24, 7:31 PM

Jonathan McDowell @planet4589
Yeah, that was my first thought too
6/12/24, 7:33 PM
 
Eric Berger @SciGuySpace
Not sure why a participant in the drill would be stuck in LA traffic though.
6/12/24, 7:38 PM https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1801036481806348447

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Possibly an unscheduled drill, so it would involve “real life” scenarios for the responders?

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Yes, that looks to be the case:

Lindsey Eady
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Heard from ISS MCC - it was a Sim that accidentally got picked up on the A2G loops and media grabbed it.
6/12/24, 7:31 PM  https://x.com/mslindsey42/status/1801034649797353850

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Abhi Tripathi
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Just a general reminder that is hopefully irrelevant today: The Dragon Ops team has extensive training in how to get a sick or injured astronaut back down to Earth as quickly and safely as possible throughout all times of the mission profile accounting for the gamut of Earth environmental conditions.
6/12/24, 7:44 PM. https://x.com/spaceabhi/status/1801038012475982277


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Eric Berger
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I can confirm with 100 percent confidence that there is no emergency on board the International Space Station. It was a sim not involving the crew.
6/12/24, 7:53 PM. https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1801040197296996782

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Update

International Space Station
@Space_Station
There is no emergency situation going on aboard the International Space Station. At approximately 5:28 p.m. CDT, audio was aired on the NASA livestream from a simulation audio channel on the ground indicating a crew member was experiencing effects related to decompression sickness (DCS). This audio was inadvertently misrouted from an ongoing simulation where crew members and ground teams train for various scenarios in space and is not related to a real emergency. The International Space Station crew members were in their sleep period at the time. All remain healthy and safe, and tomorrow’s spacewalk will start at 8 a.m. EDT as planned.
6/12/24, 8:05 PM  https://x.com/space_station/status/1801043194253127963


SpaceX
@SpaceX
This was only a test. The crew training in Hawthorne is safe and healthy as is the Dragon spacecraft docked to the @Space_Station
6/12/24, 8:37 PM https://x.com/spacex/status/1801051148054667644
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3812 on: June 13, 2024, 02:04:39 AM »
Gav Cornwell
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Given the news wave from the last 45 minutes that is now being reported as a simulation not involving the ISS crew, several people have asked about emergency recovery of astronauts. For NASA commercial crew missions my understanding is that this would fall to a detachment of the First Air Force. The official wording from the USAF is:

1st Air Force, Detachment 3 is responsible for coordinating astronaut rescue and recovery, contingency landing site support, payload security, medical support, coordination of airlift/sealift for contingency operations, as well as other support services required in the event of a spacecraft emergency.

Additional details on the operation of Det 3 (when it was part of Space Launch Delta 45) can be read in great detail here: https://www.patrick.spaceforce.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2036661/45th-og-detachment-3-making-sure-an-astronauts-worst-day-isnt-their-last-day/

The arrangement is different for private Dragon flights, contractors such as Operator Solutions fulfill this role.

If a Dragon capsule needs to return to Earth in an emergency scenario, SpaceX recovery ships would be too slow to reach the capsule before a splashdown - which could occur anywhere on Earth on the ISS track.

Photo Credit: USAF - https://www.flickr.com/photos/us-pacific-command/49945444338/my
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6/12/24, 7:59 PM https://x.com/spaceoffshore/status/1801041790264348866
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3813 on: June 13, 2024, 02:56:57 PM »
🤔
 
NASA Astronauts Tracy C. Dyson and Matt Dominick were suiting up for an EVA today (pic below ⬇️  from pic.twitter.com/fQkjuQhrR1 at 7:36am ET) but it was called off due to a “suit discomfort issue.”
 
➡️ pic.twitter.com/PyS2Q3JTgw  30 sec. Statement on NASA Livestream.

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Due to a spacesuit discomfort issue, today's spacewalk with @NASA_Astronauts Tracy C. Dyson and Matt Dominick at the @Space_Station will not be proceeding as scheduled. Visit our blog for updates as they become available: blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/ 
6/13/24, 8:15 AM  https://x.com/nasa/status/1801226823222612297

One interesting part of the EVA is that they will be swabbing locations on the outside of the station, taking “biological samples.”
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3814 on: June 15, 2024, 02:49:34 AM »
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NASA is delaying the return of the Starliner spacecraft four days from orbit for … reasons.
6/14/24, 8:57 AM  https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1801599731589910707
 
"We are continuing to understand the capabilities of Starliner to prepare for the long-term goal of having it perform a six-month docked mission at the space station," said Steve Stich, manager of NASA's Commercial Crew Program. "The crew will perform additional hatch operations to better understand its handling, repeat some 'safe haven' testing and assess piloting using the forward window.”
 
Starliner CFT: Plans are in place to hot-fire 7 of the Starliner's 8 aft-facing thrusters (1 failed jet remains off line) while the capsule is still docked to the station "to evaluate thruster performance for the remainder of the mission" and to assess "how the spacecraft will perform during future operational missions after being docked to the space station for 6 months;" NASA also says the crew will carry out additional hatch operations "to better understand its handling, repeat some ‘safe haven’ testing and assess piloting using the forward window.”
6/14/24, 8:55 AM  https://x.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1801599292181713193

NASA plans to hold a news briefing to discuss the Starliner's flight status, weather, etc., at 12pm EDT (1400 UTC) on June 18

Boeing and NASA delay Starliner astronaut return to June 22, nearly doubling mission length to test spacecraft
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… Before the launch, a single leak in Calypso’s helium propulsion system was identified. The leak was deemed to be stable and not a threat to the capsule’s safety, so the launch moved forward and was successful in delivering Starliner to the ISS.
 
However, since docking with the ISS, the spacecraft has sprung four additional helium leaks. NASA earlier this week wrote that Calypso “has plenty of margin to support the return trip” based on the current rate of the five leaks, with 10 times the needed capacity of helium in its tanks.
 
The agency also noted that Starliner would “repeat some ‘safe haven’ testing,” but did not explain why that was necessary. A safe haven test is when astronauts on the ISS use a spacecraft for shelter during an emergency. NASA said “the spacecraft remains cleared for crew emergency return scenarios within the flight rules,” referencing the possible scenario of an unexpected evacuation of the astronauts off the ISS. …
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/14/boeing-and-nasa-delay-starliner-astronaut-return-to-june-22.html
 
“and checking the cabin air temperature…”. Let me guess:  With additional crew members aboard Starliner during the safe haven exercise, the cabin overheated.  Again.

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Boeing’s Starliner has a fifth helium leak, which NASA disclosed in a blog post and identified after the spacecraft docked with the ISS. But the agency said engineers’ evaluation found there is “plenty of margin” in the spacecraft’s helium supply based on current leak rates. – NASA
 
NASA, Boeing Progress on Testing Starliner with Crew at Space Station
June 10, 2024
https://blogs.nasa.gov/boeing-crew-flight-test/2024/06/10/nasa-boeing-progress-on-testing-starliner-with-crew-at-space-station/

Calypso is now set to land at 6:26am EDT (10:26 UTC) on June 22 in the southwest US desert

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Today, June 14, is Flag Day in the US.  So this is a great time to remember the U.S.A. flag that flew up to the ISS on the first Space Shuttle flight, returned to Earth on the same flight, then returned to the ISS on the Space Shuttle’s last flight, to wait for years until the next American spacecraft to launch astronauts from American soil. 

   Flag Day – One Small Flag’s Incredible Journey
   https://www.nasa.gov/learning-resources/flag-day-one-small-flags-incredible-journey/
   This article is for students grades 5-8.  But has some good photos.

For a while, it was uncertain which spacecraft would fly crew to the ISS first, Boeing Starliner or SpaceX Dragon.  But SpaceX “captured the flag” in May 2020 with its crewed Dragon Demo-2 flight.  (Doug Hurley flew on the last shuttle mission, as well as Demo-2!)  Because Starliner was delayed, even though the SpaceX flight had been originally contracted as only a 14-day test, astronauts Doug Hurley and Bob Behnken trained for additional tasks and EVAs that NASA considered urgent, and the Dragon crew completed an extended mission of 62 days. 

For Starliner, NASA had originally planned a months-long crew test flight, figuring Boeing would easily finish their spacecraft and that newcomer SpaceX would likely stumble.  Indeed, both companies had setbacks, (a Dragon exploded during propellant testing, due to a titanium valve problem unknown to the industry at the time) but while SpaceX’s Demo-1 uncrewed flight to the ISS in early 2019 had gone well, Starliner’s uncrewed Orbital Test Flight (#1) in December 2019 was an embarrassing near-catastrophe because the spacecraft’s Mission Elapsed Timer was off by 11 hours.  In January 2020, SpaceX performed an amazing in-flight abort test with Falcon 9 and Dragon* (a test Boeing chose to not do), and then launched Bob & Doug in May 2020 for the the win.

* Dragon’s In-Flight Abort Test, Jan 19, 2020
Just after launch, at the point of Maximum Dynamic Pressure on the vehicle (the toughest time for an abort to happen), Dragon’s software had been configured to command the Falcon 9 to abort and release the Dragon.  The rocket quickly becomes aerodynamically unstable and explodes, but the Dragon is already safely away.  Great views from on-board Dragon as the parachutes are deployed for splashdown.
 
NASA short version:
➡️ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mu5Ydz34oVc&feature=youtu.be
10 min
 
NASA long version (more explanation):
➡️  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ARIZnaMXTEU&feature=youtu.be
31 min

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And for chuckles, here’s Boeing's Starliner uncrewed OFT-1 Launch toward the International Space Station from Dec 20, 2019
➡️  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PIDytLL734A&feature=youtu.be
2 hours.
Launch is about 1h4min into the video.
Spacecraft separation 1h19m.  Which is where things start to go sideways (literally). The Orbital Insertion Burn is supposed to happen 15 min later. 
At 1h33m you can see Starliner’s attitude thrusters firing like crazy on the left side of the big display in the control room, when they show it.  Starliner is pointing the wrong way…
⬇️ At 1h43m I took the screen shot below of a rather upset Flight Dynamics Officer. 😂

Follow the subsequent drama from back in the day in this thread starting here:
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2582.msg241495.html#msg241495.
 
NASA determined that the flight’s many failures constituted a “High Visibility Close Call” and so began an investigation of Starliner’s hardware, software, testing methodology and Boeing culture in general, finding some 70 issues that needed to be resolved before future flights — including a do-over of the uncrewed Orbital Flight Test, which did not occur until May 2022. That flight also experienced problems, but at least managed to make it up to the ISS and back OK.

So we see from today’s Crew Flight Test, Boeing Starliner continues its run of problem-plagued missions.

⬇️ The Flag, on an ISS hatch; Demo-2;  FiDO: WTF?!?!
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Re: SpaceX
« Reply #3815 on: June 15, 2024, 10:11:23 AM »
Boeing Starliner

Ever get the feeling that things are looking a bit dodgy?

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« Reply #3816 on: June 15, 2024, 05:17:52 PM »
Boeing Starliner

Ever get the feeling that things are looking a bit dodgy?

When Eric Berger posted his poll for Starliner Launch: Go/NoGo
 
(See: https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2582.msg402337.html#msg402337),
 
I thought the odds were about 50/50.  But I decided the most likely scenario was that they would push through any problems and launch —- and then regret it. 
 
Not that I think delaying the launch would have improved the outcome….
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« Reply #3817 on: June 15, 2024, 05:43:20 PM »
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« Reply #3818 on: June 15, 2024, 08:42:43 PM »
( i didn't see this back in the day...)

Experience the thrill of a SpaceX Falcon 9 launch from the cockpit of an F-22 soaring over NASA’s Kennedy Space Center and the iconic Vehicle Assembly Building.



https://theaviationist.com/2024/06/14/f-22-raptors-space-x/