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« Reply #550 on: April 06, 2024, 03:23:50 PM »
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1300+ homes with Powerwall in Puerto Rico are supporting the grid through Tesla VPP with @SunnovaEnergy
4/4/24, https://x.com/teslaenergy/status/1775942045216981267
 
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Today, my mother joined the ranks of the eco-conscious superheroes by participating in Tesla's Virtual Power Plant (VPP) in Puerto Rico.
 
During her first event, she and 1,356 other homes are collectively contributing a whopping 5.8MW to the grid. Talk about a power move!
 
As I sit here in Florida, I can't help but be a little jealous. 😔
I wish I could help stabilize the grid like my mom does. But alas, Florida's energy policies are stuck in the dark ages, like a fossil fuel-powered DeLorean. 🚗💨
 
So, here's to my mom and all the other Puerto Ricans taking part in this revolutionary program. Keep shining bright, and may your energy contributions be as endless as the universe itself! 🚀✨
4/3/24, 7:18 PM https://x.com/teslafamonboard/status/1775664207121268989
 
➡️ pic.twitter.com/ttQNwvK6AL  3 sec. App shows “fleet homes” powering the grid.
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« Reply #551 on: April 10, 2024, 04:58:54 PM »
Texas grid 😎
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During [Monday’s] solar eclipse, >10 Megapack sites operating in ERCOT helped fill the >1GW energy void, ensuring the grid remained stable during the 4+ minute disruption of solar irradiance to solar sites across Texas pic.twitter.com/PldQhXc4xQ
4/8/24, https://x.com/tesla_megapack/status/1777482957030392270
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« Reply #552 on: April 12, 2024, 11:38:56 PM »
(posted about this upthread, here someone has taken a deeper dive. Steve Hanley on CleanTecnica)

Replacing Wires Could Double How Much Electricity The US Grid Can Handle

Everyone pretty much agrees the US electrical grid will need modernizing as the demand for electrons to power EVs, green steel, data centers, and heat pumps increases. We also know that building new transmission lines is a long and expensive process fraught with obstacles ranging from permitting to supply chains. There is an old expression that says, “Don’t raise the bridge, lower the river.” There are new technologies available that may allow the existing grid to carry more electricity without all those messy policy hurdles to jump over.

One of them is the so-called “magic ball” from Norway’s Heimdall, a bowling ball-sized device that fits around HVDC lines to measure their temperature. Cooler wires can carry more electrons, but most transmission line operators have no ability to know the actual temperature of their wires, so they guess. Not surprisingly when talking about infrastructure worth billions of dollars, those guesses tend to be on the low side.

By knowing the precise temperature of the transmission wires, grid operators know how close a particular line is to its maximum capacity. “Think about the temperature on the line as being the speed limit,” Jørgen Festervoll, CEO of Heimdall, told Inside Climate News. “Without the software and sensor, like the ones Heimdall Power provides, you’re driving without a speedometer.” By knowing exactly how much power a line can handle, a grid operator can increase the flow of power for hours or even days without exceeding the capacity of a transmission line. Same line, more electricity transmitted, more revenue for grid operators, and more clean electricity from renewable energy resources, What a sweet deal!

here is another new technology available that can also dramatically increase the capacity of the HVDC transmission lines that are the backbone of the electrical grid. Replacing existing power lines with cables made from advanced materials could nearly double the capacity of the electric grid in many parts of the country, making room for much more wind and solar power. The technique is known as “advanced reconductoring” and is widely used in other countries. But many US utilities have been slow to embrace it because of their unfamiliarity with the technology as well as regulatory and bureaucratic hurdles, according to new research.

Reconductoring transmission lines could add about 64 TW-miles of new inter-zonal transmission capacity by 2035, compared to about 16 TW-miles from only building new transmission lines, the Berkeley research suggests. “We were pretty astonished by how big of an increase in capacity you can get by reconductoring,” Amol Phadke, a senior scientist at Berkeley, told the New York Times. “It’s not the only thing we need to do to upgrade the grid, but it can be a major part of the solution.”

Replacing old lines with advanced conductors usually costs half as much as building new lines, partly because it uses existing infrastructure, according to Utility Dive. The additional inter-zonal transmission capacity unlocked with advanced conductors will provide access to lower cost clean energy, reducing wholesale electricity costs by 3% to 4% on average. That amounts to $85 billion in system cost savings by 2035 and $180 billion by 2050, compared to business as usual. The additional transmission capacity from reconductoring would allow the United States to get 90% of its electricity from emissions-free power sources by 2035, according to the report.

Replacing old lines can be done relatively quickly. In 2011, AEP, a utility in Texas, urgently needed to deliver more power to the Lower Rio Grande Valley to meet soaring population growth. It would have taken too long to acquire land and permits and to build towers for a new transmission line. Instead, AEP replaced 240 miles of wires on an existing line with advanced conductors, which took less than three years and increased the carrying capacity of the lines by 40%.

Making Room For More Wind & Solar On The Grid

If utilities began deploying advanced conductors on a nationwide scale by replacing thousands of miles of wires, they could add four times as much transmission capacity by 2035 as they are currently on pace to do. That, in turn, would allow the use of much more solar and wind power from thousands of projects that have been proposed but can’t move forward because local grids are too clogged to accommodate them.

The sluggish build-out of the electric grid is the Achilles’ heel of the transition to cleaner energy in the opinion of many industry professionals. The Energy Department estimates that the nation’s network of transmission lines may need to expand by two-thirds or more by 2035 to meet President Biden’s goals to power the country with clean energy. But building new transmission lines can take a decade or more for developers to site a new line through multiple counties, receive permission from a patchwork of different agencies, and address lawsuits about spoiled views or damage to ecosystems. Last year, the United States added just 251 miles of high voltage transmission lines to the electrical grid. That number has been declining every year for the past decade.

In 2022, Congress approved the Inflation Reduction Act, which makes billions of dollars available for solar panels, wind turbines, electric vehicles, and other non-polluting technologies. But if the United States can’t add new transmission capacity more quickly, roughly half the emission reductions expected from that law may not materialize, researchers at the Princeton-led REPEAT Project found.

European Countries Are Leading The Way

Countries like Belgium and the Netherlands have been deploying advanced conductors in order to integrate more wind and solar power into their grid infrastructure, said Emilia Chojkiewi, one of the authors of the Berkeley report. “We talked with the transmission system planners over there and they all said this is a no-brainer. It’s often difficult to get new rights of way for lines and reconductoring is much faster.”

One of the questions addressed by researchers at GridLab is, if reconductoring is so effective, why don’t more utilities in the United States do it? The answer is partially that the fragmented nature of America’s electrical grid system is a huge hurdle. It is actually three grids operated by 3,200 different utilities and a complex patchwork of regional planners and regulators. That means new technologies — which require careful study and worker retraining — sometimes spread more slowly than they do in countries with just a handful of grid operators.

There are also mismatched incentives. Because of how utilities are compensated, they often have more financial incentive to build new lines rather than upgrade existing equipment. Conversely, some regulators are wary of the higher upfront cost of advanced conductors, even if they pay for themselves over the long run. Many utilities also have little motivation to cooperate with one another on long term transmission planning. “The biggest barrier is that the industry and regulators are still caught in a short-term, reactive mind set,” said Casey Baker, a senior program manager at GridLab. “But now we’re in an era where we need the grid to grow very quickly, and our existing processes haven’t caught up with that reality.”

Change Is In The Air

Things may be starting to change. In Montana, Northwestern Energy recently replaced part of an aging line with advanced conductors to reduce wildfire risk. The new line sagged less in the heat, making it less likely to make contact with trees. Pleased with the results, Montana legislators passed a bill that would give utilities financial incentives to install advanced conductors. A bill in Virginia would require utilities to consider the technology.

With electricity demand beginning to surge for the first time in two decades because of new data centers, factories and electric vehicles, many utilities are getting over their wariness about new technologies. “We’re seeing a lot more interest in grid-enhancing technologies, whether it’s reconductoring or other options,” said Pedro Pizarro, the president and chief of executive of Edison International, a California power company, and the chairman of the Edison Electric Institute, a utility trade organization. “There’s a sense of urgency.”
The Takeaway

CleanTechnica readers, who are all above average and particularly astute, will spot the elephant in the room here right away. The Biden administration can pour all the billions it wants into clean energy technology and manufacturing, but until utility companies and grid operators have a financial incentive to cooperate to make the grid in America function efficiently and at peak capacity, all that lovely clean energy will never get to where it is needed. This is not a technological barrier, it is an economic barrier that ultimately leads back to a welter of conflicting policies.

It would be wonderful if we had unlimited time to sort this all out, but we don’t. The destruction of the environment from extracting and burning fossil fuels is accelerating. We don’t have time to waste on silly games and internecine rivalries between those who design, build, and operate the grid. We have to do better and we have to do it soon. Full stop.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/10/replacing-wires-could-double-how-much-electricity-the-us-grid-can-handle/

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« Reply #553 on: April 18, 2024, 05:38:37 PM »
NEWS: A landmark event occurred in the US on Tuesday night when battery storage become for the first time the largest source of supply in the California grid, which delivers electricity to the world’s fifth biggest economy. 
 
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Two things happened on the @California_ISO grid last night.
 
1) Battery storage discharge went over 6GW for the first time
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2) Batteries were the largest source of supply.
4/17/24, 10:30 AM  https://x.com/jdeely/status/1780604819176386894
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Battery storage becomes biggest source of supply in evening peak in one of world’s biggest grids
Battery storage to overtook gas, hydro, nuclear and renewables as the biggest source of supply for a period of about two hours in the evening peak.
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Five years ago, the record output for battery storage was a mere 120 MW, according to Grid Status, highlighting the rapid change in technologies in California’s grid.

The California Energy Commission wrote last October that the state had about 6.6 GW of battery storage installed at the time, most of which was utility scale (5.2 GW). That means that a high percentage of its available capacity was discharging when the record was set this week.

About another 1.9 GW of battery storage capacity is in the process of commissioning, and the CEC estimates that the stage needs about 52 GW of battery storage to meet its 2045 goal of getting all of its power from carbon-free sources. (It does not provide storage duration in those statistics).


Australia is experiencing a similar transition, although it has some way to go to catch up with the sheer scale of California. Australia, which commissioned what was then the world’s first big battery at Hornsdale in late 2017, now has just over 2 GW (and an average of nearly two hours storage) of battery capacity.

Battery storage plays its biggest role in South Australia, which has a world-leading 75 per cent share of wind and solar in its grid. Battery storage is now a feature of morning and evening peaks, and often accounts for well over 10 per cent of supply, and has peaked in that state at 367 MW. And more big batteries are on their way.

California’s grid has been setting numerous records in other ways in recent weeks, with renewables supplying 100 per cent of its electricity demand for between 15 minutes and six hours in 30 of the last 38 days. Just six days ago it reached a new record for utility scale solar output not 17.786 GW.
https://reneweconomy.com.au/battery-storage-becomes-biggest-source-of-supply-in-evening-peak-in-one-of-worlds-biggest-grids/
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« Reply #554 on: April 23, 2024, 12:35:20 AM »
‘Where can you hide from pollution?’: cancer rises 30% in Beirut as diesel generators poison city

Lebanon’s economy and electricity system are broken and much power is now generated locally, with devastating effects on air quality and health

Smog hangs over Beirut most days, a brownish cloud that darkens the city’s skyline of minarets and concrete towers. An estimated 8,000 diesel generators have been powering Lebanese cities since the nation’s economic collapse in 2019. The generators can be heard, smelled and seen on the streets, but their worst impact is on the air the city’s inhabitants are forced to breathe.

New research, to be published by scientists at American University of Beirut (AUB), has found that the Lebanese capital’s over-reliance on the diesel generators in the past five years has directly doubled the risk of developing cancer. Rates of positive diagnosis, oncologists say, are shooting up.

“The results are alarming,” says Najat Saliba, an atmospheric chemist who led the study. In the area of Makassed, one of the more densely populated parts of Beirut tested, levels of pollution from fine particulates – that is, less than 2.5 micrometres in diameter (PM2.5) – peaked at 60 micrograms a cubic metre, four times the 15 mcg/m³ level the World Health Organization says people should be not exposed to for more than 3-4 days a year.

Since 2017, the last time AUB took these measurements, the level of carcinogenic pollutants emitted into the atmosphere has doubled across three areas of Beirut. Saliba says calculations suggest cancer risk will have risen by approximately 50%.
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https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/22/where-can-you-hide-from-pollution-cancer-rises-30-in-beirut-as-diesel-generators-poison-city

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« Reply #555 on: April 24, 2024, 08:34:14 PM »
Updating California’s grid for EVs may cost up to $20 billion
Charging electric vehicles at home will exceed most power lines' capacity.

California's electric grid, with its massive solar production and booming battery installations, is already on the cutting edge of the US's energy transition. And it's likely to stay there, as the state will require that all passenger vehicles be electric by 2035. Obviously, that will require a grid that's able to send a lot more electrons down its wiring and a likely shift in the time of day that demand peaks.

Is the grid ready? And if not, how much will it cost to get it there? Two researchers at the University of California, Davis—Yanning Li and Alan Jenn—have determined that nearly two-thirds of its feeder lines don't have the capacity that will likely be needed for car charging. Updating to handle the rising demand might set its utilities back as much as 40 percent of the existing grid's capital cost.
The lithium state

Li and Jenn aren't the first to look at how well existing grids can handle growing electric vehicle sales; other research has found various ways that different grids fall short. However, they have access to uniquely detailed data relevant to California's ability to distribute electricity (they do not concern themselves with generation). They have information on every substation, feeder line, and transformer that delivers electrons to customers of the state's three largest utilities, which collectively cover nearly 90 percent of the state's population. In total, they know the capacity that can be delivered through over 1,600 substations and 5,000 feeders.
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California has clear goals for its electric vehicles, and those are matched with usage based on the California statewide travel demand model, which accounts for both trips and the purpose of those trips. These are used to determine how much charging will need to be done, as well as where that charging will take place (home or a charging station). Details on that charging comes from the utilities, charging station providers, and data logs.

They also project which households will purchase EVs based on socioeconomic factors, scaled so that adoption matches the state's goals.

Combined, all of this means that Li and Jenn can estimate where charging is taking place and how much electricity will be needed per charge. They can then compare that need to what the existing grid has the capacity to deliver.

It falls short, and things get worse very quickly. By 2025, only about 7 percent of the feeders will experience periods of overload. By 2030, that figure will grow to 27 percent, and by 2035—only about a decade away—about half of the feeders will be overloaded. Problems grow a bit more slowly after that, with two-thirds of the feeders overloaded by 2045, a decade after all cars sold in California will be EVs. At that point, total electrical demand will be close to twice the existing capacity.
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https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/04/updating-californias-grid-for-evs-may-cost-up-to-20-billion/#p3

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« Reply #556 on: April 26, 2024, 01:04:29 AM »
(they do not concern themselves with generation). They have information on every substation, feeder line, and transformer that delivers electrons to customers of the state's three largest utilities, which collectively cover nearly 90 percent of the state's population. In total, they know the capacity that can be delivered through over 1,600 substations and 5,000 feeders.

I agree that substations must be upgraded.  But the need for utilities to ‘deliver electrons to customers’ will lessen as residential solar generation and storage increases.  Past surveys have found that owners of EVs are the people most likely to have also invested in home solar and batteries.
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« Reply #557 on: April 26, 2024, 07:03:16 AM »
(Sigmetnow, i see "local" grid storage batteries picking up most of the residential loads there. Neighborhood scale helps when they have to shut down transmission because of wind/fire in Cali, and the west US. Canada is further behind, but they may be able to use the Cali model , and put the money in the right places, with less waste. I still like the idea of regional scale transmission to put the peak solar generation, backwards towards the East, where peak use needs it. That monetizes the time when the peak has to disconnect because it overpowers demand. )


(finally, some good news on the grid.   I missed this in all the headlines on coal)
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Shutting down coal operations requires replacing them with clean energy sources to meet electricity demand, which has been rising for the first time in decades. There has been a deluge of proposed clean projects, including those noted by Ali Zaidi. Getting those projects approved for connecting to the nation’s privately owned electrical grid, however, has been a serious obstacle to this clean energy replacement.

From when an electricity-generating project using any energy source is proposed to when it gets connected can sometimes be a decade. Currently, according to the Berkeley Lab, there are 2,600 gigawatts of proposed solar and wind projects and energy storage capacity now in an interconnection backlog. For comparison, total U.S. generating capacity from all energy sources is 1,160 gigawatts. So the backlog is no small matter.

Consequently, completing an effort stretching across several administrations, the Biden White House announced along with its coal-killing rule on Thursday the creation of a one-stop shop for federal permitting of transmission lines. This, it is hoped, will help cut through the patchwork of state regulatory controls that has stalled new and upgraded power lines from being built. The Department of Energy will be the lead of nine agencies that deal with permitting transmission lines.

A year ago, the congressional debt ceiling deal didn’t do anything substantive about accelerating power line construction, but it did require the North American Electric Reliability Corp. to study the transmission issue and come up with recommendations by January 2025. It’s said that ordering a study is often just a call for building another shelf. But maybe this time will be different. At any rate, the NAER should have a good head start given that the Department of Energy published its 191-page draft of the National Transmission Needs Study report in February 2023.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/4/25/2237196/-Biden-sets-rule-to-end-coal-fired-power-plants-and-creates-one-stop-shop-to-speed-power-line-okays


https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/022423-DRAFTNeedsStudyforPublicComment.pdf


Grid connection backlog grows by 30% in 2023, dominated by requests for solar, wind, and energy storage

https://emp.lbl.gov/news/grid-connection-backlog-grows-30-2023-dominated-requests-solar-wind-and-energy-storage



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« Reply #558 on: April 26, 2024, 12:55:10 PM »
Ya but with Sapiens being an energy and internet-hungry species the two will continue to converge. You will sell back, monitor, and control and everything you do with energy will be on the net like everything else we do. The grid and the net will be bound until the end. Plenty of folks will want to go off-grid for various reasons, but the ones I know personally are not off-grid; they are partially off-grid. We still know where they are and what they do in numerous ways. Some even post about it online 🤣✌️

Maybe not for all but for those who want simplicity in managing their energy.
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« Reply #559 on: April 26, 2024, 03:24:25 PM »
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Good morning with good news: US will double battery storage in 2024! The US battery storage boom will add 15.5 GWs in 2024. Batteries will jump from 15.4 GW to 30.9 GW in one year!

Battery boom is much bigger than the AI demand "surge" of ~18 GW by 2030.
4/21/24, https://x.com/johnrhanger/status/1782027478225097011
 
Big table:  ➡️ https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=table_6_01
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« Reply #560 on: April 29, 2024, 09:17:01 PM »

U.S. court rejects a request by tribes to block $10 billion energy transmission project in Arizona
Nation Apr 17, 2024 2:12 PM EDT

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — A federal judge on Tuesday rejected a request by Native American tribes and environmentalists to stop work on a $10 billion transmission line being built through a remote southeastern Arizona valley that will carry wind-generated electricity from New Mexico to customers as far away as California.

The project — approved in 2015 following a lengthy review — has been touted as the biggest U.S. electricity infrastructure undertaking since the Hoover Dam was built in the 1930s.

Two tribes joined with archaeologists and environmentalists in filing a lawsuit in January, accusing the U.S. Interior Department and Bureau of Land Management of refusing for nearly 15 years to recognize “overwhelming evidence of the cultural significance” of the remote San Pedro Valley to Native American tribes including the Tohono O’odham, Hopi, Zuni and San Carlos Apache Tribe.

The suit was filed after Pattern Energy received approval to transmit electricity generated by its SunZia wind farm in central New Mexico through the San Pedro Valley, east of Tucson.

The lawsuit called the valley “one of the most intact, prehistoric and historical … landscapes in southern Arizona,” and asked the court to issue restraining orders or permanent injunctions to halt construction.

In denying the motions, Judge Jennifer Zipps said the plaintiffs were years too late in bringing their claims and that the Bureau of Land Management had fulfilled its obligations to identify historic sites and prepare an inventory of cultural resources.

READ MORE: Through gardens, these Native communities are cultivating a solution to climate change

Tohono O’odham Attorney General Howard Shanker argued during a hearing in March that claims by federal land managers that they could not find any evidence of the valley’s significance to area tribes was disingenuous at best. He referenced an academic book about the valley published by the University of Arizona Press and the declaration of a tribal member who once served as a cultural resource officer.

The transmission lines will forever transform “a place of beauty, prayer and solitude for generations of O’odham who want to connect with the spirits of their direct ancestors,” Shanker said. “So the irreparable harm is clear.”

Government representatives told the judge that the SunZia project is a key renewable energy initiative and that the tribes waited too long to bring their claims. They also argued that tribal representatives accompanied government officials in surveying the area in 2018 to identify and inventory any potential cultural resources.

Pattern Energy lawyers argued that more than 90 percent of the project had been completed and that there were no inadvertent discoveries of cultural sites in the valley. They told the judge that “through good planning” the sites that were identified have been avoided as crews cleared the ground for roads and pads where the transmission towers will be located.

The judge agreed, saying the record supports the Bureau of Land Management’s assertion that the project route avoids direct impacts to cultural resources that were identified by the surveys.

Pattern Energy also argued that stopping work would be catastrophic, with any delay having a cascading effect that would compromise the project and the company’s ability to get electricity to customers as promised in 2026.

SunZia expects the transmission line to begin commercial service in 2026, carrying more than 3,500 megawatts of wind power to 3 million people.

The San Pedro Valley represents a 50-mile (80-kilometer) stretch of the planned 550-mile (885-kilometer) conduit to carry electricity from wind farms in central New Mexico through Arizona and on to more populated areas in California. The project is among those that will bolster President Joe Biden’s agenda for cutting greenhouse gas emissions.

Work started last year in New Mexico following years of negotiations that resulted in approval from the Bureau of Land Management. The route in New Mexico was modified after the U.S. Defense Department raised concerns about the effects of high-voltage lines on radar systems and military training operations.

In Arizona, work was halted briefly in November amid pleas by tribes to review environmental approvals for the San Pedro Valley. Construction resumed weeks later in what Tohono O’odham Chairman Verlon M. Jose characterized as “a punch to the gut.”

During the March hearing, lawyers accused the federal government of stringing the tribes along with insinuations that more work would be done to survey the valley.

The transmission line also is being challenged before the Arizona Court of Appeals. The court is being asked to consider whether state regulatory officials there properly considered the benefits and consequences of the project.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-court-rejects-a-request-by-tribes-to-block-10-billion-energy-transmission-project-in-arizona


(San Pedro Valley is pretty, but not at all unique. Is actually not a bad route, considering fire factors there. Havn't heard what kind of cabling they are using.)

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« Reply #561 on: April 30, 2024, 07:03:29 PM »
Collie, Australia is near Perth, on the continent’s southwest coast.
 
BREAKING: Tesla has secured a new ~$650 million contract to build the largest battery energy storage system in Australia.
 
It will mean the Neoen Collie battery will be sized at a total 560 MW & 2,240 MWh.

 
This $650M contract means French developer Neoen will add a 341 MW/1363 MWh second stage battery to the Collie facility. Its first stage, already under construction, is sized at 219 MW/877 MWh. Both are to be built with a total of ~572 Tesla Megapack batteries, making it a massive ~$1.1 billion project.
 
When complete, the Collie battery will have the ability to charge and discharge 20% of the average demand in Western Australia's main grid.
 
4/29/24, https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1785090964408750552

It will also signal a remarkable transition in the coal-town of Collie, where the state’s remaining coal fired power generators are expected to be shuttered within the next five years.

Neoen’s Collie battery to be Australia’s biggest after winning new contract to flatten solar duck
https://reneweconomy.com.au/neoens-collie-battery-to-be-australias-biggest-after-winning-new-contract-to-flatten-solar-duck/

  —-
 
In 2017, Elon Musk was mocked by the Australian federal government when he said Tesla would install the world's largest lithium-ion battery within 100 days, to help solve South Australia’s energy crisis after a massive storm destroyed parts of the grid.
But it was completed ahead of schedule….
 
➡️ pic.twitter.com/8P1TBqpoCd  6 minutes.  From the Australian version of “60 Minutes.”
 
4/28/24, https://x.com/muskbreaking/status/1784441788675010981
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« Reply #562 on: May 15, 2024, 11:28:09 PM »
Peak Copper: Report Shows Copper Can't Be Mined Fast Enough to Electrify the US
https://techxplore.com/news/2024-05-copper-fast-electrify.html

Copper cannot be mined quickly enough to keep up with current U.S. policy guidelines to transition the country's electricity and vehicle infrastructure to renewable energy, according to a University of Michigan study.

The Inflation Reduction Act, signed into law in 2022, calls for 100% of cars manufactured to be electric vehicles by 2035. But an electric vehicle requires three to five times as much copper as an internal combustion engine vehicle—not to mention the copper required for upgrades to the electric grid.

"A normal Honda Accord needs about 40 pounds of copper. The same battery electric Honda Accord needs almost 200 pounds of copper. Onshore wind turbines require about 10 tons of copper, and in offshore wind turbines, that amount can more than double," said Adam Simon, U-M professor of earth and environmental studies.

"We show in the paper that the amount of copper needed is essentially impossible for mining companies to produce."



The study examined 120 years of global data from copper mining companies, and calculated how much copper the U.S. electricity infrastructure and fleet of cars would need to upgrade to renewable energy. It found that renewable energy's copper needs would outstrip what copper mines can produce at the current rate. The study, led by Simon and Cornell University researcher Lawrence Cathles, was published by the International Energy Forum and discussed in a webinar, "Copper mining and vehicle electrification."

Copper is mined by more than 100 companies operating mines on six continents. The researchers drew data for global copper production back to the year 1900, which told them the global amount of copper mining companies had produced over 120 years. They then modeled how much copper mining companies are likely to produce for the rest of the century.

The researchers found that between 2018 and 2050, the world will need to mine 115% more copper than has been mined in all of human history up until 2018 just to meet "business as usual." This would meet our current copper needs and support the developing world without considering the green energy transition.

To meet the copper needs of electrifying the global vehicle fleet, as many as six new large copper mines must be brought online annually over the next several decades. About 40% of the production from new mines will be required for electric vehicle-related grid upgrades.

Copper Mining and Vehicle Electrification, IEF, (2024)
https://www.ief.org/focus/ief-reports/copper-mining-and-vehicle-electrification

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Peak Copper: Report Shows Copper Can't Be Mined Fast Enough to Electrify the US

"A normal Honda Accord needs about 40 pounds of copper. The same battery electric Honda Accord needs almost 200 pounds of copper.“

Reducing copper requirements in vehicles
 
Cybertruck tech advances:  Tesla reduced total wiring by 77% and copper by 1/2 by introducing full 48 Volt architecture, plus Ethernet power + data connections through the CAN bus.
The auto industry has wanted to make the switch to 48V for decades, but couldn’t get their suppliers to do it. Now, they’ll have to.
 
An entertaining explanation begins at 9:25 in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6WDq0V5oBg&feature=youtu.be

 
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sunny day, so I went to check the California electricity price map.

sure enough, pretty much everywhere, the current price of electricity is negative. poor generators that can't easily throttle their output, like nuclear or geothermal, apparently have to just pay for the privilege of outputting power, if they can't get rid of it any other way

in certain areas, the pricing is quite negative
⬇️ pic.twitter.com/paI7tPBSax maps.
 
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like here is an interesting circumstance. there's a bottleneck, so, power is almost 30 cents per MWh in one place, whereas just across the ridge, any power plant operating has to pay almost 30 cents to put that power on the grid.
 
meanwhile, the poor geothermal plant at The Geysers, Eagle Rock, has to produce power at a negative realtime price, even though all around it utilities are buying at a positive price.
 
➡️ pic.twitter.com/QzvOwvnh73  50 sec. Clicking around various generation stations/prices.  Plus another map with a price.

< If they got dispatched in the Day ahead market they should be fine
DF: yeah, it’s all about the volume here, I haven’t found a way to visualize that yet, or even the data is available. …
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Megapack goes gigawatt

300 MW / 1.2 GWh of Tesla Megapacks are coupled with 758 MW of PV at Arevon's Eland site, providing grid stability and resiliency to Southern California⚡️
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Hotels in Mexico are installing solar and batteries, to deal with the regular grid blackouts there.
 
A Tesla Megapack allows storing solar energy to operate a 200-room hotel during peak hours electricity demand.
This model has spread throughout the destination and there are at least four hotels in the Riviera Maya with this type of facilities. Now the first investment has been registered in Cancún.  The model guarantees a reduction of 35 percent in energy consumption.
 
The Monterrey capital company Solar Fuel Eco Energy S.A. de C.V., says they are in talks to install this type of energy solution in at least 30 thousand rooms from Costa Mujeres, Cancún and the Riviera Maya, with an investment of around 500 million US dollars.

First Tesla battery is installed in Cancun’s Hotel Zone
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(ooh, another vote for re-wiring. I like it !)

How a simple fix could double the size of the U.S. electricity grid

Rewiring miles of power lines could make space for data centers, AI and a boom in renewables.

There is one big thing holding the United States back from a pollution-free electricity grid running on wind, solar and battery power: not enough power lines.

As developers rush to install wind farms and solar plants to power data centers, artificial intelligence systems and electric vehicles, the nation’s sagging, out-of-date power lines are being overwhelmed — slowing the transition to clean energy and the fight against climate change.
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(ooh, another vote for re-wiring. I like it !)

How a simple fix could double the size of the U.S. electricity grid

Rewiring miles of power lines could make space for data centers, AI and a boom in renewables.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/05/28/reconductoring-us-electricity-grid-renewables/

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But a couple of decades ago, engineers designed a new type of wire: a core made of carbon fiber, surrounded by trapezoidal pieces of aluminum. Those new, carbon-fiber wires don’t sag as much in the heat. That means that they can take up to double the amount of power as the old lines.

According to the recent study from researchers at UC-Berkeley and GridLab, replacing these older steel wires could provide up to 80 percent of the new transmission needed on the electricity grid — without building anything new. It could also cost half as much as building an entirely new line and avoid the headaches of trying to get every state, city and even landowner along the route to agree to a new project.

“You’re not acquiring a new right of way; you’re not building new towers,” Phadke said. “So it can be done much faster.” …

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I think the Netherlands would be helped with this as well, no? And I'm sure more countries would. It's a great idea.


How a simple fix could double the size of the U.S. electricity grid
Rewiring miles of power lines could make space for data centers, AI and a boom in renewables.

There is one big thing holding the United States back from a pollution-free electricity grid running on wind, solar and battery power: not enough power lines.

As developers rush to install wind farms and solar plants to power data centers, artificial intelligence systems and electric vehicles, the nation’s sagging, out-of-date power lines are being overwhelmed — slowing the transition to clean energy and the fight against climate change.

But experts say that there is a remarkably simple fix: installing new wires on the high-voltage lines that already carry power hundreds of miles across the United States. Just upgrading those wires, new reports show, could double the amount of power that can flow through America’s electricity grid.

“This is something that could be a triple win,” said Brian Deese, an innovation fellow at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who headed the White House National Economic Council under President Biden until early last year. “A win for the electricity system, a win for utilities and a win for consumers.”

Since Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act in August 2022 — pouring hundreds of billions of dollars toward the build-out of clean energy — experts have warned that without a dramatic increase in the size of the electricity grid, most of those new wind and solar farms won’t be able to plug in.

Many renewables are stuck in the “interconnection queue,” a long line of projects waiting to get connected to the grid. According to Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, more than 1,500 gigawatts of power, mostly renewables, are waiting for approval to connect. (That’s more than one-third of all the power produced in the United States.)

One of the main reasons for that long wait is that the nation builds transmission lines — those giant, high-voltage wires that carry power across large distances — extremely slowly. The average transmission line takes about 10 years to complete, and the country has been building even fewer lines recently than it did a decade ago.

Without enough power lines, there is nowhere for new solar, wind and battery power to go.

“We have to be able to integrate all this low-cost, renewable energy fast,” said Amol Phadke, a scientist at the University of California at Berkeley and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.

That’s where replacing the country’s power lines — or “reconductoring,” as engineers call it — comes in.

Most of America’s lines are wired with a technology that has been around since the early 1900s — a core steel wire surrounded by strands of aluminum. When those old wires heat up — whether from power passing through them or warm outdoor temperatures — they sag. Too much sag in a transmission line can be dangerous, causing fires or outages. As a result, grid operators have to be careful not to allow too much power through the lines.

But a couple of decades ago, engineers designed a new type of wire: a core made of carbon fiber, surrounded by trapezoidal pieces of aluminum. Those new, carbon-fiber wires don’t sag as much in the heat. That means that they can take up to double the amount of power as the old lines.

According to the recent study from researchers at UC-Berkeley and GridLab, replacing these older steel wires could provide up to 80 percent of the new transmission needed on the electricity grid — without building anything new. It could also cost half as much as building an entirely new line and avoid the headaches of trying to get every state, city and even landowner along the route to agree to a new project.

“You’re not acquiring a new right of way; you’re not building new towers,” Phadke said. “So it can be done much faster.”

If stringing new lines is so easy — and cheap — why hasn’t it been done already? Part of the problem, experts say, is that utilities profit more from big infrastructure projects. Routine maintenance or larger-scale upgrades of the electricity grid don’t help utilities make a lot of cash compared with building new transmission lines.

Deese compares it to having leaky pipes in a building — building managers don’t get rewarded for fixing all of a building’s problems, but rather for just keeping things running as long as possible on a limited budget. “You patch and plug rather than thinking systematically,” Deese said.

Duncan Callaway, a professor of energy and resources at UC-Berkeley and one of the authors of the recent study, said that many transmission engineers are not used to thinking of rewiring as one of their tools. “But it’s a much faster way,” he said.

Some changes are already underway to encourage this approach. For a long time, utilities had to undergo lengthy environmental reviews if they were rewiring a line longer than 20 miles. Earlier this month, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission announced that those would no longer be necessary if utilities are simply replacing wires.

And last month, the Biden administration announced a goal to upgrade 100,000 miles of transmission line over the next five years — which could include rewiring the lines.

“We actually need stuff that can cook right now, right away,” Ali Zaidi, the White House national climate adviser, said Tuesday at a White House summit on grid modernization. “And the way to do that is by deploying grid-enhancing technologies, by reconductoring the lines that we have already strung up or buried across the country.”

This doesn’t mean that new lines don’t need to be built. “In the longer run, newer lines will play an important role,” Phadke said. But as new demand surges onto the grid in the short term, upgrading the nation’s wires could help keep clean energy flowing until those new lines can be built.

“We have the potential to achieve all of these things with just taking new technology and running it through old lines,” Deese said. “It’s pretty cool.”
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I think the Netherlands would be helped with this as well, no? And I'm sure more countries would. It's a great idea.

There are some other problems to solve.

Our grid is divided into areas with historic low electricity use. These are the areas with just houses and the more thinly populated areas in the country. The grid providing for the industrial sources is stronger.

For the housing areas you also need to add transformers.

But this is useful for the longer range transport. Some time we have to integrate the EU grid even more then it is now. The market mechanism works but the grid backbone is underfunded and a bit too slow for what we need.
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« Reply #571 on: May 30, 2024, 01:56:14 AM »
(Biden just does it, authorizes re-conductoring and allowing solar onto the grid !)

White House announces actions to modernize America’s electrical grid, paving the way for clean energy and fewer outages
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The White House on Tuesday announced steps to modernize a major roadblock to the clean energy transformation: America’s aging electrical infrastructure.

The new initiative between the feds and 21 states aims to make faster fixes and improvements to the grid, committing to build a bigger and more modern grid as part of a larger effort to reduce power outages and increase electrical transmission capacity – a massive hurdle to getting more clean energy on the grid and reducing the planet-warming pollution causing the climate crisis.

The announcement came on the same day that hundreds of thousands of customers lost power in Texas during destructive storms Tuesday morning, following a deadly holiday weekend of severe weather across the South and Midwest. Weather-related power outages are on the rise as stronger storms put more pressure on outdated infrastructure, a recent report from nonprofit research group Climate Central found.

The White House and Department of Energy made the announcement at a summit for states, industry groups and electric regulators.

“Building on the Biden-Harris Administration’s legislative accomplishments and executive actions in tackling the grid modernization challenge, the initiative aims to bring together states, federal entities, and power sector stakeholders to help drive grid adaptation quickly and cost-effectively to meet the challenges and opportunities that the power sector faces in the twenty-first century,” the White House said in a news release.

Earlier, White House national climate adviser Ali Zaidi called the new initiative “unprecedented” and said it will “drive grid adaptation quickly and cost-effectively.”

“We are investing tens of billions — the most significant public investment in a generation — to strengthen our grid to prevent power outages in the face of extreme weather, bolster US energy security, and drive innovation,” Zaidi said in a statement.

The US currently has a major clean energy problem: There is more electricity from solar power alone waiting to get on the grid than the entire amount of energy currently on the grid. To combat the climate crisis and increase the amount of cheap energy from clean sources like wind and solar, the US needs more modern high-voltage transmission lines.

And it’s coming at a critical time; while electricity demand in the US has remained relatively flat over the past few decades, it is set to spike in the coming years due to the dramatic rise in data centers and AI, as well as demand from electric vehicles.

As part of the initiative, the federal government will provide technical assistance and make sure states can apply for federal money and loans to build more transmission lines. And leaders from states including Pennsylvania, Kentucky, New York and Arizona are committing to modernize their transmission, leaning on state legislatures and governors to pass policy enhancing the grid and using new conductors that can carry more electricity.

Since the Inflation Reduction Act passed nearly two years ago, Congress hasn’t been able to agree on a bill to increase electrical transmission. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer recently told reporters it was highly unlikely to get accomplished before the 2024 election.

In lieu of action from Congress, the Biden administration has tried to spur action on its own. It’s launched other grid initiatives, working with states and private companies in an effort to upgrade 100,000 miles of existing transmission lines so they’ll be able to carry more power using so-called reconductoring – swapping high-voltage lines, which carry more electrical capacity, onto already existing towers.

The three-member Federal Energy Regulatory Commission recently voted to approve a new rule that will bring major reforms to the nation’s aging electrical grid. It will compel utilities and grid operators to proactively plan to build regional electrical transmission and is a step toward solving the problem of vast amounts of clean energy being stuck in a backlog, unable to get on a grid too small to handle it.

Rob Gramlich, CEO of Grid Strategies, told CNN planning is a key aspect to the grid.

“You’re always better off if you proactively plan and build at the right scale,” Gramlich said. “It turns out we really have not been doing proactive transmission planning.”

After the recent vote, FERC chairman Willie Phillips called the vote the “most significant FERC action on transmission policy in more than a decade” and said it would give a significant boost to building out the grid at a time when it’s being tested by extreme weather and increasing power demand from AI, data centers and electric vehicles.

“Our country’s aging grid is being tested in ways that we’ve never seen before,” Phillips said. “Without significant action now, we won’t be able to keep the lights on in the face of increasing demand, extreme weather and new technologies.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/28/climate/energy-grid-modernization-biden/index.html
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The US currently has a major clean energy problem: There is more electricity from solar power alone waiting to get on the grid than the entire amount of energy currently on the grid.

Weird world. But it shows that solar can go a long way.
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21 states join Biden administration in bid to modernize nation’s aging grid

Twenty-one states are joining a push by the Biden administration to modernize America’s aging electric grid, which is under pressure from growing demand, a changing power generation mix that includes lots of wind and solar and severe weather.

The administration, which has set a goal of a carbon-free power sector by 2035, announced Tuesday that the states had joined what it called the “Federal-State Modern Grid Deployment Initiative,” which is intended to “help drive grid adaptation quickly and cost-effectively to meet the challenges and opportunities that the power sector faces.”

In exchange for federal technical and financial assistance opportunities, participating states will “prioritize efforts that support the adoption of modern grid solutions to expand grid capacity and build modern grid capabilities on both new and existing transmission and distribution lines.”

That means in part focusing on ways to get more out of existing transmission lines, since building new ones can take a decade or more in some cases.

“There are technologies we can use to optimize the current infrastructure we have,” said Verna Mandez, director of transmission at Advanced Energy United, a clean energy trade group.

Those include reconductoring existing lines to handle more juice as well as so-called grid-enhancing technologies, a suite of tools that include sensors, power-flow controls, software and hardware that can better deliver real-time weather data, among other technologies.

In many cases, those technologies have been adopted in other countries but uptake has lagged here, in part because utilities aren’t incentivized to adopt them and generally don’t face consequences as a result of grid congestion, which costs electric customers billions of dollars each year.

“Most transmission providers get more money when they build transmission projects,” Mandez said.

The White House said in a news release that adopting newer technologies “means that renewables and other clean sources of power can be integrated sooner and more cost-effectively than waiting for new transmission construction, which will address load growth challenges more rapidly, create good-paying jobs and lower Americans’ utility bills.”

The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission has also in several orders prodded utilities and grid operators to consider more use of grid-enhancing technologies.

And some states are taking action on their own. Virginia, which did not join the initiative announced Tuesday, passed legislation signed by GOP Gov. Glenn Youngkin that requires utilities to consider grid-enhancing technologies in their planning. Last year, Montana passed legislation aimed at increasing use of advanced reconductoring. Minnesota’s legislature also voted this month to add grid-enhancing technologies to the state’s transmission planning process and require some utilities to evaluate the tools for highly congested lines.
‘More tools than ever’

To get a more reliable and cleaner electric grid, as well as accommodate electric demand that’s growing for the first time in more than a decade,  the U.S. needs lots of new transmission capacity, experts agree.

Last year, the U.S. Department of Energy found that almost all regions of the country would benefit from more transmission lines and a National Renewable Energy Laboratory study estimated that getting to 100% carbon-free electricity by 2035 could require anywhere from 1,400 to 10,100 miles of new high capacity transmission lines per year starting in 2026.

That’s why the Biden administration has been pushing hard to remove roadblocks to new transmission lines, which can take a decade or more to develop in some cases, and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission published a landmark new rule on regional transmission planning and cost allocation. Last month the administration also announced a public-private partnership to upgrade 100,000 miles of transmission lines over the next five years and the Department of Energy has identified 10 potential “national interest” electric transmission corridors, a designation that would help expedite the projects and give developers access to federal financing.

“The power sector, which is responsible for a quarter of annual U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, now has more tools than ever – including unprecedented financial support, efficient permitting, and long-term regulatory certainty – to reduce pollution and upgrade the grid to support more factories, electric vehicles and other growing sources of electricity demand,” the White House said.

The states joining the effort are Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawai‘i, Illinois, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wisconsin.

https://azmirror.com/briefs/21-states-join-biden-administration-in-bid-to-modernize-nations-aging-grid/

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Moral of the story, don't put your solar panels in the wrong place…  :-[
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Land solar handles storms quite well but oceans provide very different challenges.
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« Reply #576 on: June 08, 2024, 01:35:41 AM »
NEWS: More money is being poured into solar than all other electricity generation technologies combined, a new global report has found, with power sector investment in photovoltaic (PV) technology projected to exceed $500 billion in 2024.

Source:  https://reneweconomy.com.au/more-money-is-being-poured-into-solar-than-all-other-energy-technologies-combined/
 
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« Reply #577 on: June 11, 2024, 02:49:28 PM »
(ooh, another vote for re-wiring. I like it !)

How a simple fix could double the size of the U.S. electricity grid

Rewiring miles of power lines could make space for data centers, AI and a boom in renewables.

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But a couple of decades ago, engineers designed a new type of wire: a core made of carbon fiber, surrounded by trapezoidal pieces of aluminum. Those new, carbon-fiber wires don’t sag as much in the heat. That means that they can take up to double the amount of power as the old lines.  ...
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I looked into this a bit.  Traditionally, power lines used the metal core of the cables to handle both the electrical conduction task and the mechanical task of maintaining structure between suspension points of towers. 

This newer system uses aluminum only for the electrical conduction task, and carbon fiber for the mechanical load.  These are near-optimum materials for these respective tasks.  So yes, the new combination can handle more electrical load.

The big challenge with this advance is that when aluminum and carbon fiber touch, the aluminum undergoes accellerated corrosion.  This has also been a challenge in airplane construction with carbon fiber.

So an absolute requirement for these cables is that the aluminum and carbon fiber must be insulated from each other, robustly and absolutely, for every centimeter of these many km-long lines.  The concept makes me a little nervous, but it seems to be working so far.
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Steve i moved your text out of the quote for ease of reading. It´s quite simple, just add an [/quote] after the one of the last quote. If you type in the box and then delete the endquote below that your text qill still be in quote prison because the board software adds it at the end as a fix.
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« Reply #579 on: June 12, 2024, 12:55:34 AM »
I read this article as well, found it quite intriguing!

Here are a few snippets that caught my attention:

"Many renewables are stuck in the “interconnection queue,” a long line of projects waiting to get connected to the grid. According to Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, more than 1,500 gigawatts of power, mostly renewables, are waiting for approval to connect. (That’s more than one-third of all the power produced in the United States.)"

"According to the recent study from researchers at UC-Berkeley and GridLab, replacing these older steel wires could provide up to 80 percent of the new transmission needed on the electricity grid — without building anything new. It could also cost half as much as building an entirely new line and avoid the headaches of trying to get every state, city and even landowner along the route to agree to a new project.

“You’re not acquiring a new right of way; you’re not building new towers,” Phadke said. “So it can be done much faster.”"

"Some changes are already underway to encourage this approach. For a long time, utilities had to undergo lengthy environmental reviews if they were rewiring a line longer than 20 miles. Earlier this month, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission announced that those would no longer be necessary if utilities are simply replacing wires."

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« Reply #580 on: June 12, 2024, 01:44:00 AM »
A Tesla Megapacks system with output of 10.8MW and 43MWh storage capacity has gone into operation in Sendai, Japan.
It will participate in helping balance the frequency of the electricity grid.
 
Tesla Megapack battery storage system enters Japan’s ancillary services market
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Tesla Japan announced last week (4 June) that the large-scale battery system has been installed and begun operation at the site of Sendai Power Station, which is in Sendai City, Miyagi Prefecture, around 360km northeast of the nation’s capital Tokyo.

The Megapack installation is based on Tesla’s integrated solution which includes lithium-ion (Li-ion) batteries, power conversion system (PCS, described as ‘power conditioner’ in Japanese industry parlance), thermal management and controls.

It is listed as available in Japan in 2-hour duration (1927.2kW/3854.4kWh) and 4-hour duration (979.2kW/3916.8kWh) configurations.

The BESS will enter Japan’s newly opened ancillary services markets through which assets will participate in helping balance the frequency of the electricity grid. The services, which require fast response times to correct deviations in grid frequency, were launched through tenders which were held for the first time in April. …
https://www.energy-storage.news/tesla-megapack-battery-storage-system-enters-japans-ancillary-services-market/

Much more at the link concerning the Japanese power system and other grid projects. 
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« Reply #581 on: June 12, 2024, 03:41:57 PM »
I read this article as well, found it quite intriguing!

Here are a few snippets that caught my attention:

"Many renewables are stuck in the “interconnection queue,” a long line of projects waiting to get connected to the grid. According to Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, more than 1,500 gigawatts of power, mostly renewables, are waiting for approval to connect. (That’s more than one-third of all the power produced in the United States.)"
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Indeed, this is an interesting technical development.  On the issue of carbon-aluminum corrosion, here's a source that gave me pause:
Galvanic Corrosion of Aluminum/Carbon Composite Systems
https://digitalcommons.du.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2120&context=etd

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« Reply #582 on: June 12, 2024, 07:39:10 PM »
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Ørsted commits to building 300-MW battery for Hornsea 3 offshore wind farm
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Danish clean energy company Ørsted A/S on Wednesday announced final investment decision to build a 300-MW/600-MWh battery energy storage system co-located with its Hornsea 3 offshore wind farm project in the UK.

The installation will be a Tesla battery and will be located on the site of the onshore converter station for the 2.9-GW Hornsea 3 offshore wind farm in Swardeston, near Norwich, Norfolk, in eastern England. The battery system, which will be one of the largest in Europe, is expected to be up and running by the end of 2026.

Ørsted, which has 12 operational UK offshore wind farms, explained it is investing in a grid-balancing technology that naturally complements its offshore wind power generation business. The battery addition will provide complementary services and revenue profile, while supporting the UK’s renewables build-out.


With this project, Ørsted has 660 MW/1,850 MWh of storage projects in operation or under construction in the UK and US. The company also has a storage opportunity pipeline of over 2 GW across the UK, Ireland and the US. …
https://renewablesnow.com/news/rsted-commits-to-building-300-mw-battery-for-hornsea-3-860431/
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« Reply #583 on: June 12, 2024, 08:56:02 PM »
Yeah, but we have been building capacitors for a while, have di-electric breakdown down cold. Tho can see an investment in 3M for Teflon would be wise.

https://eepower.com/capacitor-guide/fundamentals/dielectric-materials/#


I would also suggest coating in graphene, but under strain/twist, it becomes a conductor, so not good.
Also all the eqpt for re-wiring may be able to be re-used for superconductor install too.
Real use case for heavy drones there also....