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« Reply #150 on: October 29, 2017, 02:06:49 AM »
OK, per this article, the original test tunnel was only 160 feet long, so, never mind.  ;)

https://electrek.co/2017/10/28/elon-musk-first-image-tunnel-under-los-angeles-airport-101/

But:
When the current 2-mile long tunnel is completed, it would only need a few more miles west to reach the 405 and the international airport (LAX), but we are talking about almost a dozen miles to reach the 101 highway.
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« Reply #151 on: October 29, 2017, 12:33:34 PM »
160ft in 1 month then further 340 ft in 2 months. Yep, that show acceleration.  ;)

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« Reply #152 on: October 29, 2017, 01:53:36 PM »
160ft in 1 month then further 340 ft in 2 months. Yep, that show acceleration.  ;)

I would certainly hope they took more care as they begin their first tunnel down a city street -- with all the risks that entails -- compared with digging a tunnel limited to SpaceX property! :P
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« Reply #153 on: October 29, 2017, 04:12:33 PM »
Elon Musk’s Boring Co. takes aim at fighting LA traffic
It doesn’t come as much of a surprise that Musk would choose this section as the company’s first project. After all, his dealing with constant soul-crushing traffic along a path of travel that’s a consistent winner of “America’s worst freeways” was the genesis for The Boring Company.

“First route will go roughly parallel to the 405 from LAX to 101, with on/offramps every mile or so. It will work like a fast freeway, where electric skates carrying vehicles and people on pods on the main artery travel at up to 150mph, and the skates switch to side tunnels to exit and enter.” says Musk.

Vehicles entering and exiting the tunnels would be helped by a car elevator, something Musk first demonstrated in July after posting a video of a Tesla Model S being lowered into the tunnel entrance. The use of side tunnels for exit and entry will allow the main tunnel to keep a consistent, high speed flow of traffic and make travel more efficient. It’s a key differentiator from traditional subway systems that often experience frequent stop-and-go travel. “There is a big difference compared to subways that stop at every stop, whether you’re getting off or not.” said Musk after sharing an image of the test tunnel. ...
https://www.teslarati.com/boring-companys-first-route-takes-aim-traffic-las-worst-freeway/

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The Boring Company wins city council approval for 2-mile test tunnel beneath Hawthorne, CA
The Boring Company will repurpose a tunnel-boring machine that was once used for digging sewage lines in San Francisco, according to SpaceX’s Brett Horton, senior director of facilities and construction, who also oversees The Boring Company project. Horton notes that construction of the 2-mile long test track will be undetectable because of the tunnel depth, which is expected to reach 44-feet below ground and well beneath underground utilities.
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“The test tunnel project would involve SpaceX engineers repeatedly testing personal vehicle types suitable for placement on the skates; refinement of the design and technology; and general data collection on performance, durability, and application,” said the Boring Company in its documents submitted to the city council. ...
https://www.teslarati.com/the-boring-company-city-council-approved-2-mile-test-track/

  "@elonmusk Can Texas haz hyper loop too? Dallas - Houston - San Antonio - Austin (a girl can dream...)"
Musk: For sure. First set of tunnels are to alleviate greater LA urban congestion. Will start NY-DC in parallel. Then prob LA-SF and a TX loop.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/888059982586839041
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« Reply #154 on: November 23, 2017, 12:00:34 AM »
Nov. 22:   Elon Musk takes 1st steps to build futuristic underground tunnel in LA
Last week, The Boring Company, the firm Musk created to build the tunnel, filed an application with city officials to start digging within city limits, the Los Angeles Times reported.
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The initial proposed route would stretch along Interstate 405 from Hawthorne to Westwood, and the project will be funded entirely by private money, a spokesperson for The Boring Co. said Tuesday, according to the Times. Last month, Musk expressed hopes that the tunnel would stretch the "whole 405" corridor from LAX to Interstate 101 in "a year or so." ...
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/elon-musk-files-permit-begin-digging-underground-tunnel/story?id=51325990


And where will all the “private money” come from?  Well, Musk's “Initial Hat Offering” has earned him $300,000 so far.  ;D

Elon Musk raises $300k for The Boring Co. in “Initial Hat Offering” (IHO)
Roughly a month after it was revealed that The Boring Company was beginning to sell hats, serial tech entrepreneur Elon Musk confirmed that his tunnel digging venture has sold $300,000 worth of the merchandise. The Tesla and SpaceX CEO thanked all buyers of the company’s “super boring hat” over Twitter saying, “You rock, figuratively & literally. All cash goes directly towards more boring.”

He is of course thankful for the outcome of his tongue-in-cheek “Initial Hat Offering”, or IHO, because, after all, the company has been in the midst of building an underground tunnel beneath Los Angeles. “Gonna build that tunnel one hat at a time” said Musk last month. ...
https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-raises-300k-boring-co-initial-hat-offering-iho/
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Re: Boring, boring ol' Elon Musk...
« Reply #155 on: November 30, 2017, 03:49:34 AM »
The Boring Company will compete to fund, build & operate a high-speed Loop connecting Chicago O’Hare Airport to downtown
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/936060082290167808


More in the Hyperloop thread: 
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1094.msg135109.html#msg135109
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« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2017, 10:20:55 PM »
Elon Musk’s Boring Company unveils concept map of planned Los Angeles tunnel network
Elon Musk’s Boring Company, a startup aiming to create networks of tunnels with electric skate transit systems, recently sought to expand its tunnels under Los Angeles.  They have now released a map of the planned network – giving us a better idea of the scale of the project.

They reportedly already completed a 305-feet (100 meters) tunnel with an entrance in SpaceX’s parking lot in Hawthorne and they have received the green light to extend the tunnel by 2 miles in Hawthorne toward the Los Angeles International Airport.

In October, Musk said that the new section of the tunnel would be completed in “3 to 4 months”.
We reported last month that the Boring Company filed for new excavation permits for a new route, which the company is now referring to as “a 6.5-mile proof-of-concept tunnel”.

The [company] wrote on its website:
“The tunnel would be used for construction logistics verification, system testing, safety testing, operating procedure verification, and line-switching demonstrations. Phase 1 would not be utilized for public transportation until the proof-of-concept tunnel is deemed successful by County government, City government, and The Boring Company. “

The tunnel is shown in red on the map:


They previously announced that they plan to use Tesla’s technology for their transportation system in the tunnels – a sort of electric skate platform to transport cars autonomously faster and more efficiently. By moving cars on tracks instead of driving between lanes, they can reduce the tunnel to a 13.5-foot diameter, which consequently reduces the cost of boring.  Those electric skates can travel between 125-150 miles per hour and carry between 8 and 16 passengers, according to the startup.  It has the potential to both accelerate the electrification of transport in the region and to reduce traffic at the surface.

For the blue lines, the company emphasized that it’s not the finalized alignment:
“Blue indicates potential Phase 2 expansion options, and is included as a concept, not as a finalized alignment. Phase 2 specifics would be developed in cooperation with Los Angeles County, the City of Los Angeles, city governments in the greater Los Angeles area, and the general public. The Boring Company looks forward to receiving feedback from residents of the greater Los Angeles area on station locations and system improvements for Phase 2 and beyond.”

The company is now seeking feedback on the project, which is just one of three different projects that we know about so far. The two others being the Baltimore-DC underground Hyperloop and the Chicago high-speed loop.
https://electrek.co/2017/12/04/elon-musk-boring-company-map-los-angeles-tunnel-network/
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Re: Boring, boring ol' Elon Musk...
« Reply #157 on: December 04, 2017, 11:12:59 PM »
Why take cars to the airport?

Leave your car home.  Airports are already too crowded with cars.  Turn the sleds into very fast small subway cars.  Offer a luxury option if someone just can't stand riding with the rest of us.

I suppose if rich people pay the development costs so that Borning, Inc. can get their speeds up and costs down then the sleds are justified.  They can be swapped out for passenger pods once we're in the world of robotaxis.

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« Reply #158 on: December 05, 2017, 03:16:37 AM »
Why take cars to the airport?

Leave your car home.  Airports are already too crowded with cars.  Turn the sleds into very fast small subway cars.  Offer a luxury option if someone just can't stand riding with the rest of us.

I suppose if rich people pay the development costs so that Borning, Inc. can get their speeds up and costs down then the sleds are justified.  They can be swapped out for passenger pods once we're in the world of robotaxis.

The “skate” proposal for this tunnel carries small people-pods as well as cars. 

Small pods can carry a small group directly to their destination — no need for intermediate stops for some passengers to get off.  You could make a reservation for a trip, to start from a particular Loop station, on your phone, and an app would tell you what time, and the ID number of the pod, that will be there for you to get on with fellow travellers to the same destination.
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« Reply #159 on: December 05, 2017, 03:35:50 AM »
That's the system that I think could be a major hit.  High speed, express subway. 

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« Reply #160 on: December 15, 2017, 10:02:50 PM »
Progress on the U.S. Northeast corridor tunnel system.  Apparently there are indications the tunnels will be built to use the “skate” system, rather than a Hyperloop, at this point.

Elon Musk’s Boring Company is reportedly starting to dig 12.4-mile tunnel in Maryland next month
Now a new utility permit obtained by Capital News Service shows that the company plans to “begin digging two parallel, 12.4-mile transportation tunnels in January 2018.

“The document lists the start location as “immediately north of MD 175” and details a dig to “within 0.25 miles of intersection of W. Pratt and S. Paca” -about a block from Oriole Park at Camden Yards – with tunnels running under the approximate route of the Maryland-owned section of Route 295, or the Baltimore-Washington Parkway.”
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https://electrek.co/2017/12/15/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnel-maryland-hyperloop/
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« Reply #161 on: December 15, 2017, 10:35:25 PM »
It's too short a distance to go full 'loop.  Passenger pods that can travel non-stop at over 100 MPH will be a great solution.

If the system runs as installed expect this to be a huge benefit for Baltimore.  It would open up a lot more affordable housing for people who work in DC.

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« Reply #162 on: January 12, 2018, 10:17:57 PM »
Why we need Musk’s (future) faster and cheaper boring machines — and lots of them — ASAP!

The Most Awful Transit Center in America Could Get Unimaginably Worse
Think Penn Station is bad? Let’s go into the crumbling, disaster-prone tunnels that lie beneath.
To get to New York’s Penn Station, every northbound Amtrak passenger makes the last leg of their journey, through tunnels beneath the Hudson River, in the dark. Trust me: They should be glad. One day this autumn, an Acela pulls into Newark, N.J., and a railway spokesman escorts me onto the rear engine car, where we stand and take in the view facing backward. As we descend into one of the Hudson tunnels—there are two, both 107 years old, finished in the same year the Wright brothers built their first airplane factory—a supervisor flips on the rear headlights, illuminating the ghastly tubes.

Our train (unsurprisingly) is operating at reduced speed because of an electrical glitch, which just gives us more time to gawk at the damage. There are eerie, nearly fluorescent white stains on the tunnel walls that look like they were painted by a giant with a roller brush. The pale swaths are remnants of the salt water that inundated the passages five years ago, during Hurricane Sandy. Sulfates and chlorides have been eating away at the concrete ever since, exposing reinforcement bars underneath. “Keep your eyes peeled,” says Craig Schulz, the affable Amtrak spokesman, “and you’ll see some of these areas where there is literally just crumbling concrete.”

As we emerge into the bowels of Penn Station, Schulz points to wooden flood doors above the tunnel entrances. They were installed during World War II to hold back the river if the tubes were torpedoed by a Nazi submarine. In the gloom, the doors look a full century older than their vintage. They seem more suited for a dungeon than a modern rail system like this one—the Northeast Corridor, which runs from Boston to Washington, D.C., serving an area that generates a fifth of U.S. gross domestic product. Before we step off the train, Schulz repeats Amtrak’s mantra: The storm-ravaged tunnels are safe, for now, but the railroad doesn’t know how long it will be able to keep them in service. ...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-01-10/the-most-awful-transit-center-in-america-could-get-unimaginably-worse
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« Reply #163 on: January 12, 2018, 10:42:25 PM »
If Boring can greatly reduce the cost of tunneling as Musk think's possible then we're looking at a brand new world of public transportation.  Robo-vehicles for short hops and very fast underground travel for the longer trips.

Standard tunnel boring speed 60 feet per day (average).  Musk says that Boring can operate at 14x standard.

NYC to Washington DC 200 miles - straight line.  200 miles = 1,056,000 feet.

60 feet per day = 17,600 days.

600 feet per day (10x improvement - dialing back a bit from Musk's 14x) = 1,760 days 

Ten boring machines = 176 days.  Six months.

3,000 miles coast to coast.  200 10x-tunneling machines could complete a coast to coast tunnel in half a year. 
« Last Edit: January 12, 2018, 10:50:48 PM by Bob Wallace »