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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #200 on: July 12, 2017, 06:26:53 PM »
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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #201 on: July 12, 2017, 07:04:18 PM »
When two constructive members reach a non-constructive dialogue, it's probably time to stop.

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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #202 on: November 14, 2017, 01:46:46 AM »
”As the richest people in America fixate on how to give money to the poorest, the Cherokee program is a case study of whether a basic income is in fact a practical proposal for alleviating economic inequality or just another oversimplified, undercooked Silicon Valley fix to one of the most intractable problems our society faces. Or maybe it’s both.”

FREE MONEY: THE SURPRISING EFFECTS OF A BASIC INCOME SUPPLIED BY GOVERNMENT
... One fear about basic income is that people will be content living on their subsidies and stop working. But a 2010 analysis of the data, led by Randall Akee, who researches public policy at UCLA's Luskin School of Public Affairs, found no impact on overall labor participation. ...
https://www.wired.com/story/free-money-the-surprising-effects-of-a-basic-income-supplied-by-government/
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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #203 on: November 14, 2017, 06:56:03 AM »
Did someone mention land depreciation ? In cultivated USA the land is dead. The ecosystem capital is gone. The ecosystem services are gone. In a sane economy those costs would be internalized and show clearly the bankruptcy of agriculture.

I have been from the east coast to the rockies in every season, In every place doing the corn soy thing, the land is dead. East of the Mississippi the topsoil is gone except in bottomlands. West of the Mississippi, the topsoil is denuded seriously, just look at how much higher the graveyards are,  all on knolls, since they were never plowed up and so retained their soil. In Iowa between the arms of the Missouri and the Mississippi, or southern illinois, the richest soils left, walk out to a planted field in spring and pick up a handful or earth.  Nothing lives there, no insects, worms, no nothing. Look at it under a microscope you will see nothing alive. Those lands have been drenched with poison and fertilizer for decades, barren absent monocrop for half the year, but it was not so once upon a time.

Now i look at Amish farms in OH,PA,IN most of them know to keep their land alive. Not all, but most. And they got many kids, need farmland, they are moving to Mexico, not willing to pay the prices in the USA. I know some who hired a guy to drive em as far as Colorado, but no cigar, land is too expensive, so Mexico it was. Some of the first ones that went Mexico way got kidnapped for ransom, until the abductors realised the Amish don't deal in money, offered to pay ransom in grain and potatoes. They also realised that the Amish fed everybody who showed up at their doorstep. So now the Amish  got a modus vivendi with the gangs.

We need a reboot on land practise.

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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #204 on: December 13, 2017, 03:10:10 PM »
Changing economics as the oil economy dwindles.

Saudi Arabia to raise energy prices, pay cash to poorer citizens
RIYADH, Dec 12 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia has approved a new round of energy price hikes and a cash handout system for low- and middle-income citizens to offset the impact of the changes, fresh steps in a year-old austerity programme amid low crude prices. ...
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/saudi-arabia-to-raise-energy-prices-pay-cash-to-poorer-citizens-20171212-00868
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Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« Reply #205 on: December 13, 2017, 06:54:11 PM »
Finland is doing a test of a guaranteed minimum income program.  I think it's mostly going to people who were receiving some sort of assistance already.