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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #550 on: June 05, 2018, 07:37:52 PM »
Thanks Sig for the info. Bob - I fully agree with all you wrote.

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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #551 on: June 06, 2018, 01:09:55 AM »
Elon is a genius engineer? 

I don't know about that.

Vertical powered rocket landings not enough to convince you? (He was chief designer for Falcon 1, perhaps by time of falcon 9 more supervising larger team but spends quite a bit of his time on design.)

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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #552 on: June 06, 2018, 05:13:25 AM »
I don't know that many engineers.  A couple I know are danged smart and inventive but haven't had the opportunity to take big ideas and run.  Elon's come to the game with unusual resources.

There are also some very stupid engineers.  It seems a lot of climate change deniers at least claim to be engineers. 

Perhaps they are sanitary engineers....

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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #553 on: June 15, 2018, 09:09:05 PM »
Ukraine has plans for a hyperloop
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Ukraine is yet another country hopping on the hyperloop train to the future.

The country's Infrastructure Ministry signed an agreement Thursday with US-based Hyperloop Transportation Technologies to begin building a commercial hyperloop system -- a trainlike transportation setup that industry watchers say will be able to hit airplane speeds and shorten travel time from hours to minutes.

"Ukraine is at the crossroads of the new Silk Road transportation corridor and we can expect Hyperloop to play a major role in connecting Europe and Asia," HTT CEO Dirk Ahlborn said in a release. ...
https://www.cnet.com/news/ukraine-has-plans-for-a-hyperloop/
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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #554 on: June 19, 2018, 09:20:21 PM »
Construction of the test route of 15km from Balewadi to Gahunje will start in 2019.

Mumbai-Pune hyperloop test track work may start in 2019
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/mumbai-pune-hyperloop-test-track-work-may-start-in-2019/articleshow/64641200.cms

Below in blue is roughly the section of the route being discussed, shown on a road map.  Looks like a rather straight shot, if they follow that road, for their first section of the Mumai-Pune track.  (“22 minutes” is the current road travel time! :D )
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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #555 on: June 20, 2018, 10:23:17 PM »
Firms with local smart-city offices picked for Hyperloop One feasibility, environmental studies on Chicago-Columbus-Pittsburgh route
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Los Angeles-based AECOM will take the lead the feasibility study for the hyperloop technology along two possible paths. It will look at how to apply the technology, passenger and cargo demand, economic benefits and costs, effect of regulations, implementation strategy and opinions of stakeholders including governments, businesses and the public. It would explore both the route along existing rail lines first proposed by MORPC and identify and alternative route. The study is expected to be complete next March.
https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/06/20/firms-with-local-smart-city-offices-picked-for.amp.html
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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #556 on: July 11, 2018, 07:35:41 PM »
U.S.:  Texas
Today, the Dallas-Fort Worth Regional Transportation Council announced that it will explore hyperloop technology for two major transportation initiatives across the state.
https://mobile.twitter.com/hyperloopone/status/1017089422276190208
Video at the link includes shots of the test loop.

Texas Officials Confirm Hyperloop As Technology Option For Dallas-Arlington-Ft. Worth High Speed Corridor
- Following Visits to the Virgin Hyperloop One Test Site in the Nevada Desert and its California Innovation Campus, the Dallas-Ft. Worth Regional Transportation Council Announces Intention to Evaluate Hyperloop Technology in Dallas-Arlington-Ft. Worth Project’s Environmental Impact Study
- The Agency Will Also Undertake Conceptual Feasibility Study Considering Hyperloop for Longer Fort Worth to Laredo Corridor
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   Dallas, Arlington and Fort Worth Environmental Impact Statement
Later this year, the RTC will issue a Request for Proposals for a consultant team to complete the Tier 2 Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) for a high-speed corridor connecting Dallas, Arlington and Fort Worth. The RTC wants to consider both hyperloop technology and traditional high-speed rail in the environmental study of the route. A preliminary analysis by Virgin Hyperloop One engineers estimated a six minute hyperloop trip between Dallas and Ft. Worth.

“As our region grows from 7.2 million people now up to 11.2 million by 2045, we are planning a transportation system that offers choices to our residents. Adding an option like hyperloop to the existing system of roadways, rail transit, bicycle/pedestrian facilities and high-speed rail to Houston would expand the system in an exciting way,” said Michael Morris, P.E., Director of Transportation for the North Central Texas Council of Governments. “Connecting other regions in Texas through hyperloop would open up economic opportunities throughout the state.”​

   Fort Worth - Waco - Temple-Killeen - Austin - San Antonio - Laredo Feasibility Study
In addition, the RTC has provided funding and has obtained additional funding commitments to undertake a conceptual feasibility study of high-speed technology including hyperloop to connect Fort Worth, Waco, Temple-Killeen, Austin, San Antonio and Laredo. This corridor will be requested to move into a more detailed Tier 2 EIS following the feasibility study. ...
https://hyperloop-one.com/texas-officials-confirm-hyperloop-technology-option-dallas-arlington-ft-worth-high-speed-corridor

Edit:  added map.
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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #557 on: July 23, 2018, 05:17:55 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44924796

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/22/17601280/warr-hyperloop-pod-competition-spacex-elon-musk

457 kph self propelled reached by students.

but BBC pic looks like only very small part of cross section of tunnel. I assume speed will gather more problems with larger cross section even if kept to half that of tunnel.

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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #558 on: July 23, 2018, 06:30:48 PM »
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457 kph self propelled reached by students.

but BBC pic looks like only very small part of cross section of tunnel. I assume speed will gather more problems with larger cross section even if kept to half that of tunnel.

The tube was scaled down for the student competitions, for cost and logistical reasons, including transporting their projects to Hawthorne.  For prior competitons, some brought parts with them on the plane, and re-assembled their pod there!

One of the biggest obstacles is that the tube is only .8 miles long.  Achieving higher speeds in that short a distance is hard in itself.

Photos show Elon Musk closely examing the pods — probably getting his own ideas from the different techniques the students have employed....
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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #559 on: October 06, 2018, 04:52:18 PM »
Pennsylvania state representative says they should think about maybe considering a hyperloop on the heavily-travelled Philadelphia to Pittsburgh route.  Particularly since Pittsburgh is looking into joining a hyperloop route going the other direction, to Chicago.

State House resolution calls for feasibility study of Phila. to Pittsburgh hyperloop - Philadelphia Business Journal
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2018/09/26/state-house-resolution-calls-for-feasibility-study.html

A Philly-Pittsburgh Hyperloop? State House resolution calls for feasibility study
http://planphilly.com/articles/2018/09/26/a-philly-pittsburgh-hyperloop-state-house-resolution-calls-for-feasibility-study
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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #560 on: October 16, 2018, 09:03:39 PM »
CNBC reports that the Saudi's have pulled the plug on their Hyperloop venture.

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

A blogger says this is "false news"

Either way you Heard it Here First ???
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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #561 on: October 17, 2018, 08:00:42 PM »
CNBC reports that the Saudi's have pulled the plug on their Hyperloop venture.

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

A blogger says this is "false news"

Either way you Heard it Here First ???
Terry

It looks like Virgin Hyperloop ditched the deal first.

“Saudi Arabia pulled a planned deal with Virgin Hyperloop One after Richard Branson said he would suspend investment talks with the country due to concerns about Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi’s disappearance...”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/report-saudi-arabia-pulls-out-of-planned-virgin-hyperloop-deal

But the UAE project is still on:

DPWorld UAE (@DPWorldUAE)
10/15/18, 12:14 PM
On the second day of #Gitex2018 we were honored to have H.H. Sheikh Ammar Bin Humaid Al Nuaimi Crown Prince of Ajman & President of the Ajman Executive Council visit our stand to learn about our projects including the #DPWorld Cargospeed project.
@HyperloopOne
https://twitter.com/dpworlduae/status/1051868913632460804

Edit: 
Branson also pulled back from a big Saudi space investment:
Richard Branson suspends Saudi Arabia’s investment in space ventures over missing journalist
https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/13/17967954/virgin-galactic-richard-branson-saudi-arabia-jamal-khashoggi
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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #562 on: October 18, 2018, 03:06:25 AM »
Feasibility study delivers Kansas City-to-St. Louis hyperloop results. (Interestingly, it's the first time feasibility numbers have been released in the U.S. for a hyperloop system, according to a Hyperloop One spokesman.)

Hyperloop: Missouri could be epicenter for 21st-century transportation (Video)
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Black & Veatch's release of its Missouri Hyperloop feasibility study is a "historic moment" for Missouri, Virgin Hyperloop One's Ryan Kelly told the Kansas City Business Journal. 

Not only does the feasibility study confirm the viability of a hyperloop route along Interstate 70, it's the first time feasibility numbers have been released in the U.S. for a hyperloop system, Hyperloop One's head of marketing and communications said.

The nine-month feasibility study conducted by Black & Veatch and Olsson Associates evaluated several aspects concerning the I-70 route that would connect Kansas City to Columbia and St. Louis, including social impact, potential station locations, route alignments, regulatory issues and rights-of-way access.
The study confirmed that the proposed route between St. Louis and Kansas City would shave travel time to 28 minutes. By car, it takes about 3.5 hours. Travel to Columbia from St. Louis or Kansas City would take about 15 minutes, compared with today's two hours.


Black & Veatch also identified potential station locations, known as portals, which could be located near downtown Kansas City along the riverfront or near Arrowhead and Kauffman stadiums, said Drew Thompson, Black & Veatch's director of data center/mission critical facility solutions and a project lead on the feasibility study. In St. Louis, an ideal location could be at Lambert International Airport, which also is a hub for light rail and bus transportation, Thompson said.

One of the most important aspects the study brought to light is ticket costs, which are expected to cost less than a high-speed rail ticket, Kelly said. A one-way hyperloop trip from Kansas City to St. Louis, for example, would be cheaper than driving when considering the average price of gasoline.  With gas prices currently at about $3 per gallon, it costs about $30 to drive to St. Louis. If prices continue to rise, the cost of 10 gallons of gas could rise above the predicted cost for a one-way hyperloop ticket — about $30.

The Missouri Department of Transportation also owns or manages the rights-of-way along I-70, which eases the path to construction.

Another compelling factor for Missouri is its central location, which could accelerate the build-out of a regional and eventually national network for transporting goods and people, Thompson said.

The study also found that less time spent on the road could result in a savings of $410 million a year and would lead to fewer accidents along I-70, creating an additional savings of as much as $91 million a year.
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2018/10/17/virgin-hyperloop-one-missouri-feasibility-report.html
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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #563 on: October 18, 2018, 06:37:14 AM »
Sig

It's <240 freeway miles from St Louis to Kansas City. <24 mpg is poor highway mileage today. Perhaps they'recomparing the ticket price to what it would cost if you made the journey by Hummer? (the gas version does much worse, but a diesel version boasts 25 mpg highway!)

Personally my gasoline powered VW would make a round trip, them back to Columbia before I required a fill - up. :)  - and I don't have a 60 gal. tank.

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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #564 on: October 18, 2018, 11:54:21 AM »
Sig

It's <240 freeway miles from St Louis to Kansas City. <24 mpg is poor highway mileage today. Perhaps they'recomparing the ticket price to what it would cost if you made the journey by Hummer? (the gas version does much worse, but a diesel version boasts 25 mpg highway!)

Personally my gasoline powered VW would make a round trip, them back to Columbia before I required a fill - up. :)  - and I don't have a 60 gal. tank.

Terry

2017:

“...Fuel economy... now stands at 22 mpg for all cars and light trucks on U.S. roads.”
http://247wallst.com/autos/2017/03/02/average-fuel-economy-for-264-million-us-light-vehicles-22-miles-per-gallon/
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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #565 on: October 18, 2018, 02:20:01 PM »
I must say that is hardly the point. Short-haul flying costs more than driving and yet people fly. 30 minutes instead of 3.5 hours, I am sure there will be enough passengers for $30 each way. They simply picked a bad comparison. (In addition the true cost of driving is not just fuel.)
The real questions are - will the vacuum technology work? Will the construction and maintenance costs be reasonable with this technology? Will the ride feel indeed like a roller coaster? I guess we won't know for certain until someone builds an actual flight-speed hyperloop.

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Re: The Hyperloop
« Reply #566 on: October 18, 2018, 04:41:33 PM »
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The real questions are - will the vacuum technology work? Will the construction and maintenance costs be reasonable with this technology? Will the ride feel indeed like a roller coaster? I guess we won't know for certain until someone builds an actual flight-speed hyperloop.

This plains states construction could be a good first project — it’s mostly flat, and the highway is already smoothed terrain.  But they will still need to dig out or elevate the tube over the ground as needed to keep the tube level.  They must have examined the route in detail and evaluated that, to come up with a price.  I hope they move forward with it.
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