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« Reply #300 on: October 09, 2017, 08:19:04 PM »
Oct 8-9, 2017 Napa & Sonoma County fires: 1,500 structures burned so far, per @latimes
Among the worst in CA history
List:  http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/downloads/fact_sheets/Top20_Destruction.pdf

https://twitter.com/ericholthaus/status/917452944223719425


Follow live: Fires burn across Napa, Santa Rosa and the North Bay
http://www.sfgate.com/local/amp/Follow-live-Fires-Napa-Santa-Rosa-Sonoma-counties-12263680.php
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« Reply #301 on: October 09, 2017, 08:45:59 PM »
Southern California is on fire, too. There's a major, fast-moving fire in the hills outside Anaheim  #canyonfire2
     https://twitter.com/blkahn/status/917457017954078726

Flames already coming over the hill at the intersection of Santa Ana Canyon and Gypsum Canyon. These winds are pushing.  @ABC7 #Canyon2
https://twitter.com/abc7greg/status/917447856255934469
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This is the big one for Anaheim Hills headed in to cover
https://twitter.com/stuartpalley/status/917449457280491521
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« Reply #302 on: October 09, 2017, 09:12:42 PM »
Wildfires now burning homes in Anaheim Hills, SoCal.
This is already one of the worst fire days in California history, and getting worse.
https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/917466906793259010



Near total devastation Santa Rosa’s Coffey Park neighborhood where #TubbsFire reduced homes to ashes. [photos]: Melissa Comfort
https://twitter.com/passantino/status/917464496477822976
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« Reply #303 on: October 09, 2017, 10:28:59 PM »
A home burns in a fast-burning fire that prompted evacuations in the Anaheim Hills area on Monday. #CanyonFire2
https://twitter.com/KTLA/status/917465471707840512
Video at the clip. Aerial view.

Evacuations continue as #canyonfire2 in Anaheim Hills California grows to 500 acres.
@EPN564 providing live reports
Updates via @OCFA_PIO @AnaheimFire @CBSLA @R5_Fire_News @KNX1070 @CBSLA #CaliforniaWildfires #canyon2fire
https://twitter.com/EdJoyce/status/917479447732699136
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CanyonFire2
https://twitter.com/EPN564/status/917474505198469120
"Periscope" video of firefighters working a burning ridge near a street.
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« Reply #304 on: October 10, 2017, 12:00:29 AM »
Pyrocumulous cloud pops up above the inversion layer that is keeping smoke from California fires trapped near the ground.
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« Reply #305 on: October 10, 2017, 12:04:16 AM »
No words. Entire neighborhoods have been razed by the #napafire. Aerial images from @CHP_GoldenGate
https://twitter.com/blkahn/status/917496399352270848
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« Reply #306 on: October 10, 2017, 12:31:44 AM »
And previous years of drought killed millions of trees, then very wet winter caused strong growth of grasses and brush this spring.

Classic wildland fire pattern in California after 5 months of dry weather plus high pressure over Great Basin creating gusty warm dry winds.
https://twitter.com/ggweather/status/917511125629001728

Second image from The Weather Channel.

Edit:  ‘Diablo Winds’ spark historic wildfires in California wine country
https://grist.org/article/diablo-winds-spark-historic-wildfires-in-wine-country/
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« Reply #307 on: October 10, 2017, 12:57:56 AM »
Satellite imagery showing extraordinary geographic extent of #NorthBay wildfires; still spreading; out of control. #AtlasFire #TubbsFire
     https://twitter.com/weather_west/status/917496942933852160

Updated North SF Bay fire map from NOAA fire mapping products.
     https://twitter.com/ggweather/status/917495294211665921
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« Reply #308 on: October 10, 2017, 03:55:57 AM »
"In flood zones, real estate agents are required to tell you about flood hazard, but we don’t do that with fire hazard"

From 2016:

When spark meets sprawl: Building in wildlands increases fire risk
Wildfires, long considered a problem exclusive to the West, now threaten many other parts of the country as extreme weather becomes more commonplace and more people live in areas at risk for wildfire.
https://www.revealnews.org/article/when-spark-meets-sprawl-building-in-wildlands-increases-fire-risk/amp/

WUI map below from The Weather Channel.
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« Reply #309 on: October 10, 2017, 03:28:06 PM »
California wildfires still burning; the firestorm has killed at least 10 people and destroyed 1,500 structures across eight counties.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-wine-country-santa-rosa-napa-fire-20171009-story.html

Wow. This statement from @NWSBayArea is chilling. Yesterday's North Bay firestorm could displace 1991 Oakland Hills as the worst in memory.
  Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service San Francisco Bay Area 
1035 PM PDT Mon Oct 9 2017
https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/917740889631592450
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#BREAKING #CanyonFire2: At least 24 structures (many homes) destroyed, 6,000 acres burned, 1,000 firefighters, only 5% contained. @NBCLA
https://twitter.com/WhitNBCLA/status/917707005246169088
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« Reply #310 on: October 10, 2017, 03:31:19 PM »
The #canyon2fire as viewed from Mount Wilson about 4am today. #canyonfire2 #orangecountyfire #lafd #ocfire #firefighters
     https://twitter.com/socalguitar/status/917730371030065153
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Latest Napa and Sonoma County large Fires per Cal Fire as of Tuesday morning.
     https://twitter.com/ggweather/status/917734592143962112
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« Reply #311 on: October 11, 2017, 09:04:22 PM »
BREAKING: California fire official: 3,500 homes and businesses have been destroyed in deadly wine country wildfires.
     https://twitter.com/AP/status/918157714471211014

Wow. With 3,500 structures burned, the California fires are now officially the most destructive in state history.
     https://twitter.com/ericholthaus/status/918164571742986240
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NWS Bay Area: Updated Red Flag Warning and Wind Advisory Information for later today. VERY HIGH FIRE DANGER! #cawx #northbay #napa #sonoma
     https://twitter.com/nwsbayarea/status/918049797986226176
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Dramatic footage shows a @sonomasheriff deputy driving through an advancing wildfire in Northern California cnn.it/2gblpso
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/918091473165475840
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« Reply #312 on: October 11, 2017, 10:41:58 PM »
The most destructive in history and a long way from over yet.

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« Reply #313 on: October 12, 2017, 04:03:57 PM »
October fires in California:

Notice only 2 Oct. CA fires make the top20 list in terms of size, but many make the list in terms of deadliest. Testament to the fires speed
     https://twitter.com/JimCantore/status/918422763580379137
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« Reply #314 on: October 12, 2017, 04:06:02 PM »
California just finished its hottest summer in history — these record-breaking fires are no coincidence.
http://grist.org/briefly/californias-out-of-control-wildfires-are-officially-the-worst-in-state-history/amp/
     https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/918222425329876992
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« Reply #315 on: October 12, 2017, 06:50:50 PM »
Looking for example at this video taken by a drone


One thing I wonder is what are all those houses and buildings made of, to be leveled down to the ground in such a way by fire? If the structures were of brick and mortar, there would be some walls remaining. And side issue, what kind of pollutants are released by the burning of such materials (beyond CO2 of course)?

Comments on the video also wonder why/how buildings were leveled flat when neighbouring trees still stand with all their branches and leaves.
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« Reply #316 on: October 12, 2017, 07:12:24 PM »
No words. Entire neighborhoods have been razed by the #napafire. Aerial images from @CHP_GoldenGate
https://twitter.com/blkahn/status/917496399352270848
Additional image at the link.

I lived in this neighborhood in the early 1990s. I'm still in Sonoma County and these fires have been devastating. We are finally getting the resources from around and out of state to get a hold of them. The intrusion into urban areas has been truly impressive in the worst meaning of the word. Thank you to our emergency responders, my best to those still under evacuation or beginning the process of rebuilding and sympathies to those who have lost life. I know people who have lost everything and friends that are still evacuated but families are safe. I am fortunate that my community is still intact. Sometimes, the delusion that we are in control of nature is totally shattered. Is it time to talk about climate change yet?

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« Reply #317 on: October 12, 2017, 07:34:33 PM »
Looking for example at this video taken by a drone


One thing I wonder is what are all those houses and buildings made of, to be leveled down to the ground in such a way by fire? If the structures were of brick and mortar, there would be some walls remaining. And side issue, what kind of pollutants are released by the burning of such materials (beyond CO2 of course)?

Comments on the video also wonder why/how buildings were leveled flat when neighbouring trees still stand with all their branches and leaves.

It's not the first fire where I thought: Those wooden (plywood...) houses are a major fire hazard and accelerant. Living trees don't burn that well.

In tightly spaced neighborhoods this can result in unimaginable fire storms. We have seen nothing yet.

Time to change the building codes. Perhaps mandatory sprinklers on every roof except brick houses.
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« Reply #318 on: October 12, 2017, 07:43:55 PM »
Mid-Thursday update.  Several of the fires have merged. The winds have eased a bit, but are expected to pick back up this weekend. 

NWS:  On Tuesday, our air quality monitors nearest the fires measured the highest PM 2.5 concentrations on record in the Bay Area since hourly monitoring began in 2009.

At least 24 dead in horrific California wildfires, hundreds missing
Firefighters were still battling 22 wildfires in multiple counties as of Thursday morning. Intensified by strong winds, the flames have charred more than 180,000 acres of land, damaged or destroyed at least 3,500 structures and forced nearly 20,000 residents to evacuate, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. ...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/thousands-flee-wildfires-ravage-california-23-killed/story
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« Reply #319 on: October 13, 2017, 12:40:53 AM »
Looking for example at this video taken by a drone


One thing I wonder is what are all those houses and buildings made of, to be leveled down to the ground in such a way by fire? If the structures were of brick and mortar, there would be some walls remaining. And side issue, what kind of pollutants are released by the burning of such materials (beyond CO2 of course)?

Comments on the video also wonder why/how buildings were leveled flat when neighbouring trees still stand with all their branches and leaves.

It's not the first fire where I thought: Those wooden (plywood...) houses are a major fire hazard and accelerant. Living trees don't burn that well.

In tightly spaced neighborhoods this can result in unimaginable fire storms. We have seen nothing yet.

Time to change the building codes. Perhaps mandatory sprinklers on every roof except brick houses.

That fire melted guard rails.

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« Reply #320 on: October 13, 2017, 11:40:15 AM »
That fire melted guard rails.

Guard rails are made of aluminium, of which fusion point is around 660°C. This is not a surprising temperature for such a fire.

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« Reply #321 on: October 13, 2017, 10:06:51 PM »
Worst possible situation for those in the path of these fires at the onset.  No advance warning, unusually fast spread, late at night, no awakening by phone alerts which were not received because cell phone towers were disabled by the fire.

Death toll rises to 31, more victims identified in deadly Northern California fires
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fires-20171013-story.html

Current fire map images:  Napa valley area.  Anaheim.

NWS Sacremento:  Very dangerous #fire conditions expected overnight tonight due to strong winds and ongoing fires. Please be prepared & aware! #CAwx
     https://twitter.com/NWSSacramento/status/918924763036356610
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« Reply #322 on: October 13, 2017, 10:43:38 PM »
That fire melted guard rails.

Guard rails are made of aluminium, of which fusion point is around 660°C. This is not a surprising temperature for such a fire.

My point is that wood ignites at temperatures between 190-260C. Sprinklers would not prevent houses from burning down unless the entire exterior of a home were doused.

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« Reply #323 on: October 13, 2017, 11:38:56 PM »
That fire melted guard rails.

Guard rails are made of aluminium, of which fusion point is around 660°C. This is not a surprising temperature for such a fire.

My point is that wood ignites at temperatures between 190-260C. Sprinklers would not prevent houses from burning down unless the entire exterior of a home were doused.
Yes. Maybe not a workable proposal. But then, if you look at the little water "sprinkled" on burning forests from helicopters and tank planes, this doesn't look effective either. Evaporating water cools things.
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Watched some more videos:
Almost everywhere there was a gas pipe still burning in the ruins. Why couldn't they shut off the gas when the fire approached? But I guess this wasn't a major factor.
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« Reply #324 on: October 14, 2017, 03:30:04 AM »
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Watched some more videos:
Almost everywhere there was a gas pipe still burning in the ruins. Why couldn't they shut off the gas when the fire approached? But I guess this wasn't a major factor.

When you are running for your life, stopping to shut off the gas is the last thing on your mind.  The fire was literally at many people's doorsteps when they were awakened.  Some were trapped inside their homes by the flames.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-wine-country-santa-rosa-napa-fire-20171009-story.html

http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/amp/Sonoma-County-officials-opted-not-to-send-mass-12271773.php

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/western-wildfires/fight-against-california-wildfires-enters-new-phase-search-bodies-n810281

http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-abcarian-sonoma-fire-20171012-htmlstory.html
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« Reply #325 on: October 14, 2017, 03:32:41 AM »
SONOMA, Calif. (AP) — Fire official says 5,700 homes and buildings destroyed, 90,000 people displaced by Northern California wildfires.
     https://twitter.com/JWilliamsAP/status/918972176417431552

Not sure I’ve ever seen air quality this bad in the US
     https://twitter.com/passantino/status/918996324254588928
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« Reply #326 on: October 14, 2017, 04:41:02 AM »
When you are running for your life, stopping to shut off the gas is the last thing on your mind.
Of course. It should be the job of the utility company. Maybe its not as easy as it looks.
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« Reply #327 on: October 15, 2017, 04:26:04 AM »
LA. Times puts the death toll at 40.

In California, Fires So Fast Hesitation Proved Lethal
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/us/california-wildfires-victims.html

California fires: New evacuations ordered for Santa Rosa
The blaze threatening Santa Rosa was a new fire that erupted Friday along state Highway 12 between two other wildfires that have been burning for days.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/14/us/california-fires-updates/index.html
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« Reply #328 on: October 15, 2017, 02:55:43 PM »
http://www.pnas.org/content/113/42/11770.abstract
Impact of anthropogenic climate change on wildfire across western US forests
John T. Abatzoglou and A. Park Williams
PNAS 2016

[...]
We demonstrate that human-caused climate change caused over half of the documented increases in fuel aridity since the 1970s and doubled the cumulative forest fire area since 1984. This analysis suggests that anthropogenic climate change will continue to chronically enhance the potential for western US forest fire activity while fuels are not limiting.
[...]

Short interview with Park Williams:
https://www.democracynow.org/2017/10/11/as_deadly_wildfires_rage_in_california
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« Reply #329 on: October 15, 2017, 03:44:31 PM »
This is an extract from a post on The Trump Presidency by Sigmetnow who found it on facebook
I reproduce it in full as I think it is necessary to give it as wide a circulation as possible.

"We are safe in a hotel for another night. Well, those who know me knew my silence on the politics involved here would not last long. If it bothers you, I understand but it's time to say this. I just watched a man on television describe how his wife died in his arms in Santa Rosa and a mother in tears recounting her son succumbing to the flames in their driveway while trying to escape. People have been burned alive. A women who barely survived the carnage in Las Vegas lost her house. A woman in a wheelchair was waiting to die until a brave sheriff's officer risked his life to save her. Rescuers are finding bodies burnt beyond recognition; other reduced to bones and ash. So far, 36 people have lost their lives, 100,000 people have been evacuated trying their best to find shelter and almost 6,000 structures have been totally destroyed. People are enduring unimaginable circumstances. Also, there is no telling how many pets and wildlife didn't make it. No one can really imagine what this hell is like.

Not that I really care what he says or does, but Trump has not tweeted one word, made a speech, or shown any compassion at all for the victims of the California wildfires. Nothing. Zero. Worthless liberal heathens that we are and not as deserving as the dead red states of Texas and Florida. Are the dead in California less dead? Are their destroyed homes homes not a big deal? Are 100,000 refugees just a statistic? Others do care what the president says and his silence is deafening. If nothing else, the incredibly courageous and selfless firefighters, police, pilots, doctors, nurses and other civil servants deserve thanks and acknowledgment.

Finally, anyone who respects the educated professionals whose lives have been devoted to studying the earth and it's climate, understands that the warming earth and oceans increases the severity of nature's worst tragedies. Like fires, hurricanes and tornadoes as any American could see with their own eyes this year. Warm waters, torrential rains, overgrown brush, excessive heat, severe droughts and hurricane force winds are all a result. This is going to happen again and again as the Trump administration and their GOP and corporate enablers continue to dismantle all efforts aimed at slowing or reversing climate change. This is the new reality."

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« Reply #330 on: October 15, 2017, 04:38:34 PM »
Communication.

This is what Californians really needed during the fires
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By late Monday morning, hordes of people in packed cars were headed north, many with no certainty where they were going. In Healdsburg, normally a 20-minute drive from Santa Rosa, but then more than an hour in traffic, the lines for gas stations spilled out into the street and many stations ran out of fuel. The delivery trucks couldn't help because the fire had spread across the highway and shut it down. I could tell who the evacuees were, but it didn't take a reporter's eye. It was obvious. Their cars were packed with belongings (if they were "lucky"), and their eyes were red from smoke, being woken up in the middle of the night, and crying. They appeared in the pharmacy, clutching deodorant, toothpaste, slippers — there was never much, because, where do you start when you lose everything? They filled hotel parking lots, meandering, hoping for a room, or rifling through possessions they'd managed to take. I heard, "my house is gone," more times than I can count.

Communication — or lack of it — during the disaster may be the biggest rub. Oddly, in a city so close to Silicon Valley, the birthplace of thousands of apps that make it easier to get everything with a smartphone (weed, lunch, laundry and a million hardly useful things that I won't mention here), there's been no one good way to share reliable information. In part, that was because many people didn't have cell service and Internet was cut off for many customers.
...
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/12/opinions/californians-needed-fire-alerts-kerr-opinion/index.html
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« Reply #331 on: October 15, 2017, 04:53:52 PM »
Gerontocrat: Trump is just one person. And the entire global political and economic elite are against him. Don't you think it's a little hard to blame him for everything. Why are the globalists not helping Puerto Rico. Are they not the managers of the "one world ideology". And they can't even handle a small island like Puerto Rico. And it's not just the wildfires in California, you had 3 hurricane landfalls, floodings, earthquakes in nearby Mexico. And this morning i was reading a little bit about the pasific typhoon season. In 2015 they had the first typhoon on january 15 , and last one of the year on december 17. That's almost typhoons around the clock. So if your globalists buddies can't even handle it today, they will have very little friends left in the future.

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« Reply #332 on: October 15, 2017, 05:23:29 PM »
The linked article uses wildfires in the Amazon as a canary in a coal mine to indicate that the rainforests have turned from carbon sinks to carbon sources:

Title: "Record Amazon fires stun scientists; sign of sick, degraded forests"

https://www.skepticalscience.com/2017-SkS-Weekly-News-Roundup_41.html

Extract: "- With the fire season still on-going, Brazil has seen 208,278 fires this year, putting 2017 on track to beat 2004’s record 270,295 fires. While drought (likely exacerbated by climate change) worsens the fires, experts say that nearly every blaze this year is human-caused.

- The highest concentration of fires in the Amazon biome in September was in the São Félix do Xingu and Altamira regions. Fires in Pará state in September numbered 24,949, an astonishing six-fold increase compared with 3,944 recorded in the same month last year.

- The Amazon areas seeing the most wildfires have also seen rapid change and development in recent years, with high levels of deforestation, and especially forest degradation, as loggers, cattle ranchers, agribusiness and dam builders move in.

- Scientists warn of a dangerous synergy: forest degradation has turned the Amazon from carbon sink to carbon source; while globally, humanity’s carbon emissions are worsening drought and fires. Brazil’s rapid Amazon development deepens the problem. Researchers warn that mega-fires could be coming, unless trends are reversed.

See also the associated article at:

https://news.mongabay.com/2017/10/record-amazon-fires-stun-scientists-sign-of-sick-degraded-forests/

Extract: "While in the past Amazonian forests served humankind inadvertently by absorbing more carbon than emitted, delaying the worst impacts of global warming, Feldpausch says that has now changed. The Amazon has now become part of the problem: “The combined effect of continued droughts, fire, and forest degradation is reducing carbon stocks, resulting in Amazon forests being an estimated net source of carbon during the past decade.”

Indeed, a new, just published study by researchers at the Woods Hole Research Center and Boston University, has found that human-caused deforestation, forest degradation and disturbance of tropical forests in Africa, the Americas and Asia have resulted in those forests now emitting more carbon into the atmosphere than they sequester on an annual basis."
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« Reply #333 on: October 15, 2017, 05:44:39 PM »
Gerontocrat: Trump is just one person. And the entire global political and economic elite are against him. Don't you think it's a little hard to blame him for everything.
I believe that he does not care. That is the basic criticism - "frankly, my dear, he does not give a damn" for anything but himself
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« Reply #334 on: October 15, 2017, 07:09:15 PM »
I think that's a little bit a stupid critic, because who don't has some self preservation in hisself . Over here these so called socialist politicians even steal from the homeless. But one thing is for sure, he made me smile already many times. Not many politicians ever achieved that. And if you talk about good politics, just look at the news, you think that's the result of good politics.

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« Reply #335 on: October 15, 2017, 08:08:04 PM »
California fire response.

Sobering footage by @BerkeleyFD from strike team sent to #TubbsFire in #SantaRosa following main fire front. #CAfire
    https://twitter.com/Weather_West/status/919620116492386305

Video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdk4d74j3p8&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #336 on: October 16, 2017, 04:19:55 AM »
SKY7 showing the immense amount of smoke coming from the #NunsFire this evening. Poor Air Quality continues in the North Bay.
     https://twitter.com/DrewTumaABC7/status/919722590523944960
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« Reply #337 on: October 16, 2017, 04:35:51 AM »
It's gonna take a miracle...

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« Reply #338 on: October 16, 2017, 05:25:35 AM »
Video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdk4d74j3p8&feature=youtu.be
At 4:12 there is an aerial image of how it was before: High density wooden houses, perfect fuel for a huge conflagration :(
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« Reply #339 on: October 16, 2017, 01:56:38 PM »

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« Reply #340 on: October 16, 2017, 02:38:48 PM »
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« Reply #341 on: October 16, 2017, 04:19:34 PM »
When you look at these hellish images and review the trends for forest fires across the planet, how soon can we expect to be subjected to a persistent living hell?

The fires in northern California were essentially unstoppable, overwhelming our widespread yet totally insufficient response. When will the world essentially be on fire and how in the world can we possibly quell them?
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« Reply #342 on: October 16, 2017, 04:31:40 PM »
We need better trolls, the kind that can stay on topic.

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« Reply #343 on: October 16, 2017, 05:16:12 PM »
Hurricane Ophelia winds feeding wildfires in Spain and Portugal today.

Exceptional view of *THICK smoke* from fires in N Spain and Portugal being advected N into France and the UK! Image: NASA Terra / MODIS
https://twitter.com/severeweatherEU/status/919938832568672257
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Portugal and Spain wildfires: Dozens dead and injured
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41634125
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« Reply #344 on: October 16, 2017, 05:52:42 PM »
More pics from Portugal. I find them weirdly beautiful :(





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« Reply #345 on: October 16, 2017, 07:06:54 PM »
MOPITT’s carbon monoxide data (tracer for pollution from #wildfires + more) now avail in near-real-time   https://earthdata.nasa.gov/mopitt-data-now-available-in-lance

https://twitter.com/AtmosNews/status/919968118486814720

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« Reply #346 on: October 17, 2017, 03:24:34 AM »
@climateguyw The first image produced 103° heat. What will the second (occuring next week) bring? Temps may be 5° above daily record.
    https://twitter.com/edgarrmcgregor/status/920079728542752768
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« Reply #347 on: October 17, 2017, 04:58:16 AM »
Martin
They may be beautiful, but they are as terrifying as anything I've seen.
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« Reply #348 on: October 19, 2017, 07:02:43 AM »
Portuguese interior minister resigns as fires kill more than 100 people

On Sunday, a series of deadly wildfires broke out in the centre and north of the country which killed 42 people and injured another 71, the civil protection agency said.

Similar huge blazes in June killed 64 people and injured 250 near the central Pedrogao Grande region, in what were the deadliest wildfires in the country’s history.

In all, some 280,000 hectares (690,000 acres) of forest in Portugal’s central Pinhal interior region have been laid waste so far this year in the country’s worst natural disaster in living memory, according to European monitors.


EDIT: Firefighting aircraft despatched from Italy to assist Portugal.
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« Reply #349 on: October 19, 2017, 07:13:18 PM »
California:

Updated statewide wildfire map as of this morning
#NorthBayFires #BearFire
     https://twitter.com/NWSBayArea/status/921059662358810625
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