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« on: June 13, 2017, 09:47:28 PM »
What is the role for the "traditional" mass transit options in the low carbon future? A question that seems to have fundamentally different questions between countries, seemingly based as much upon political ideology as much as local variables (e.g. population density, previous transport policies etc.).

I found some very interesting documents on the considerations of when to build train systems, and the most appropriate ownership models. Also the issues between when the train tracks are predominantly owned by the passenger transit providers (Europe, Japan etc.) and the haulage providers (the United States).

Vertical railway integration (operators own the tracks they run on) seems to be the most effective model for long-distance operators. The problems with separation were seen in the UK privatization, where the separate track operator ended up being renationalized and there have been calls to renationalize the train operators as well.

Economic effects of Vertical Separation in the railway sector

http://www.cer.be/sites/default/files/publication/Full-Report.pdf

Railway in Sweden and Japan – a comparative study

http://www.trafa.se/globalassets/rapporter/report_2014_12_railway_in_sweden_and_japan_-_a_comparative_study.pdf

The Four Big Myths Of UK Rail Privatization

http://actionforrail.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Four_Big_Myths_Rail_Privatisation_Report_2015_LR.pdf

The Great Train Robbery

https://www.tuc.org.uk/sites/default/files/tucfiles/The_Great_Train_Robbery_7June2013.pdf

Trump’s budget proposal slashes funding for Amtrak’s long-distance train routes — but it's not all bad

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-budget-proposal-amtrak-2017-3

The Economic Case for Rail Subsidies

https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2013/03/economic-case-rail-subsidies/5007/

So are trams really better than buses?

A very well-balanced piece on trams versus buses. Seems to me that very regular electric buses on a properly segregated bus lane will always be better than trams. What am I missing (the city of Toronto where I live is busy putting in trams and 'light-railways')

http://www.citymetric.com/transport/so-are-trams-really-better-buses-2623

Then of course, there is the possibility of self-driving buses with the same capacity as a tram. Assign a dedicated lane, put the sensors on the road and off you go. Well, that's how its supposed to work!































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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2018, 03:40:55 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/28/florida-high-speed-train-brightline-project

A new "high-speed" train has been built in Florida. It's pretty tepid high-speed (about 180 km/h) but still, it's something.

Of course, this being the US, they managed to screw up. There's at-grade crossings. That's fundamentally incompatible with high-speed rail. So far they've killed two pedestrians.

Also, it's a diesel train in the sunshine state.

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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2018, 06:31:02 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/28/florida-high-speed-train-brightline-project

A new "high-speed" train has been built in Florida. It's pretty tepid high-speed (about 180 km/h) but still, it's something.

Of course, this being the US, they managed to screw up. There's at-grade crossings. That's fundamentally incompatible with high-speed rail. So far they've killed two pedestrians.

Also, it's a diesel train in the sunshine state.


If they pushed it just a bit, they might be able to catch the 1905 record for a steam engine train of 185 kph (115 mph).  :)

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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2018, 05:06:39 PM »
“Why is this train flying above a city in @Amtrak's ad?
That's not how trains work.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/airlineflyer/status/957708657529098241

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2018, 07:56:46 PM »
Germany Considers Free Public Transport to Fight Air Pollution
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In car-obsessed Germany, the government is considering free public transportation in some of its most polluted cities to reduce road traffic and emissions from private vehicles.

"We are considering public transport free of charge in order to reduce the number of private cars," three ministers wrote in a letter to EU environment commissioner Karmenu Vella in Brussels.

"Effectively fighting air pollution without any further unnecessary delays is of the highest priority for Germany," the ministers added.

A trial of the proposal is planned for the cities of Bonn, Essen, Herrenberg, Reutlingen and Mannheim "at the end of the year at the latest."
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https://www.ecowatch.com/germany-air-pollution-2534823666.amp.html
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2018, 07:59:05 PM »
Renewable energy to power Eurostar fleet by 2030
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Eurostar is aiming to switch to green energy to power all of its rail services by 2030.

The target was included in a new 10-point environmental plan launched by the operator earlier today (February 7).

The ‘Tread Lightly’ plan states “We will eliminate the use of fossil fuel energy for all of our train journeys across our markets by 2030”.

Eurostar is looking to follow in the footsteps of the Dutch state railway operator NS, which now uses wind energy to power its electric train fleet.

The cross-border operator also wants to see a 5 per cent reduction in train energy by 2020. It plans to do this by installing energy meters on its e320 fleet. ...
https://www.globalrailnews.com/2018/02/07/renewable-energy-to-power-eurostar-fleet-by-2030/
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2018, 09:32:45 AM »
NOACA, Hyperloop Company Announce $1.2 Million for Cleveland to Chicago Study.
https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2018/02/26/noaca-and-hyperloop-company-announce-12-million-for-cleveland-to-chicago-study
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That would all be fine — even exciting — if at the same time, the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit authority (RTA), a totally non-speculative public transit system, weren't in a death spiral.

This reminds us of a quote in one of our stories last week. We were writing about about the death of the Cleveland Tenants Organization, and how the funding for that important organization dried up at the same moment local leaders and the community have been brainstorming about how best and most creatively to solve the same problems that CTO had long tackled.

"To be somewhat critical of the funders, especially the private funders, that organizations like CTO depend on," researcher Michael Lepley told us: "They love the new, sexy stuff. They love to create programs. They do not want to be in the business of maintaining programs. And so what happens is, we get all these brand-new nonprofits instead of a few highly functioning organizations. "
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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2018, 05:43:46 PM »
Thank you Jai Mitchell for posting the link to your presentation. For what it is worth, it was your doggedness in the multiple postings that finally convinced me to open it.  There are so many of us across the world now saying these things- that there is a path forward towards true sustainability and resilience, that we do have viable plans. That alone is encouraging. In addition, as the message you brought gets disseminated over and over again, it starts to become easier and easier to get some traction with policy makers. We are about to engage in a large strategy to connect up climate policies, energy policies and economic policies in Yukon. It is my fervent hope that we get much further this time than in the previous plans and strategies that existed in separate silos.

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2018, 06:29:07 PM »
That's a big cat!

Nice work on the plan from me, too.


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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2018, 03:20:13 PM »
Building mass transit for the 21st century is challenging, and requires entirely new approaches....

Editorial: To address San Francisco Bay Area traffic, build the BART tube, skip the bridge
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/article/Editorial-To-address-Bay-Area-traffic-build-the-12668394.php

Elon Musk went on a Twitter rant about America's failing infrastructure — and it made his Hyperloop idea sound less crazy
http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-infrastructure-rant-helps-hyperloop-case-2018-2

Chinese workers build railway station in just nine hours
Seven trains and 23 diggers were used alongside 1,500 people, to complete the huge construction project
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/chinese-workers-productivity-build-nanlong-railway-station-nine-hours-longyan-a8173881.html
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2018, 04:34:33 PM »
Solutions that work well in other countries, all seem to be totally impossible in the US.  :-\

I wish we were half as active mitigating, as those Chinese workers were building that station.  :)
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2018, 09:29:34 PM »
Solutions that work well in other countries, all seem to be totally impossible in the US.  :-\

I wish we were half as active mitigating, as those Chinese workers were building that station.  :)
That clip is amazing!
The workers literally run from position to position.
The planning, coordination and timing beat anything I've ever witnessed by some orders of magnitude.


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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2018, 06:15:45 AM »
Yeah, like ants. :)
If there's one image of what we humans can do if put our minds to it, it's that one.

In Sweden it's more or less a requirement to mantain a highly positive attitude, no matter what, but at the same time most people don't do anything, because everyone is on their own...

So let's learn something from the Chinese on how to make things happen. That would be truly positive. :)
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2018, 08:34:23 PM »
The $13 billion Gateway rail tunnel project under New York City’s Hudson River was rated #1 in importance — until politics got in the way.

Trump Said to Tell Republicans Not to Approve Hudson Rail Tunnel Funds
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-03/trump-said-to-tell-gop-not-to-approve-hudson-rail-tunnel-project

Trump disputes funding for $13B Hudson River tunnel project
https://www.constructiondive.com/news/trump-disputes-funding-for-13b-hudson-river-tunnel-project/513938/


Selling hats and flamethrowers to help fund a smaller/faster/cheaper tunnel transportation option looks more attractive every day. ;)  Although the Gateway tunnel serves many local passengers, it is also an Amtrak line.  So, as long as the Boring Company is (potentially) digging tunnels in New York anyway....

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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2018, 11:46:52 PM »
Cost for California bullet train system rises to $77.3 billion
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The California bullet train project took a sharp jump in price Friday when the state rail authority announced the cost of connecting Los Angeles to San Francisco would total $77.3 billion, an increase of $13 billion from estimates two years ago, and could potentially rise as high as $98.1 billion.
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The rail authority found that nobody could be sure what was under the ground in Fresno, driving up the cost of relocating sewers, water lines, communications cables and electrical conduits by hundreds of millions of dollars. Freight railroads insisted that the rail authority build barriers that would protect passenger trains from derailments on nearby freight tracks, a requirement that drove up costs by hundreds of millions of dollars, as well. ...
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-bullet-train-cost-increase-20180309-story.html

Just a note here that Boring Company tunnels would be deep enough underground (~40 feet / 12m) to avoid all those problems.... ;)
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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2018, 03:12:18 AM »
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Cost for California bullet train system rises to $77.3 billion

And that's not the least of it - planned date is 2033! Are you kidding me? 15 years during which cost will grow and delays will accumulate. It isn't even a very high speed train.

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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2018, 01:45:09 PM »
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Cost for California bullet train system rises to $77.3 billion

And that's not the least of it - planned date is 2033! Are you kidding me? 15 years during which cost will grow and delays will accumulate. It isn't even a very high speed train.

Gotta wonder if this announcement was the impetus for Elon Musk’s announcement that the Boring Company projects would now prioritize pedestrians and cyclists over cars....

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1094.msg145373.html#msg145373
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2018, 02:15:29 PM »
An Elon Poll.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/972335273462841344
I don't have twitter.  :)
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2018, 02:26:59 PM »
If you read a bit further, the Elon Poll continues: ;)
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2018, 07:01:04 PM »
A tunnel predating World War I is key to 20 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product.

Some facts and figures on the New York Gateway rail tunnel.

How Trump’s Hudson Tunnel Feud Threatens the National Economy
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Economic risks keeping Americans up at night include the hastily rewritten tax code and the possibility of a global trade war set off by U.S. tariffs. Consider another cause for insomnia: President Donald Trump’s opposition to a new rail tunnel linking New York and New Jersey beneath the Hudson River.

The current link is shot, corroded by age and chemical-tainted flood water. That’s unnerving enough for the 820,000 passengers a day traveling to New York City jobs or some other U.S. Northeast destination. For those farther afield, there’s the chilling fact that a tunnel predating World War I is key to 20 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product.

The first locomotive chugged through the Pennsylvania Railroad’s 2.5-mile tunnel in 1910. Amtrak, its current owner, says it’s still safe, albeit unreliable, and in constant need of temporary fixes. But say its haywire electrical system finally goes kaput, or its cracked concrete walls and ceilings yield to the river’s muck. There goes the New York City commute for Wall Streeters, big-city accountants and lawyers from New Jersey suburbs, plus the legions that work in health, tech, tourism and retail. Beyond New York, that’s the end of Boston-to-Washington service on the nation’s busiest passenger-rail route.
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You say you don’t need trains? The Washington and Boston stations, Amtrak’s second- and sixth-busiest, have a combined 6.7 million riders a year. At least 71 percent say that without Amtrak, they’d fly or drive. Think about it: If that antique Hudson River tunnel is taken out of service before a second one is built, some of the nation’s most trafficked highways and airports will have to accommodate millions more travelers, all of them eager to get somewhere. Just like you.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-hudson-river-amtrak-tunnel-american-economy/
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2018, 07:47:54 PM »
Maybe this should go under the header of empire collapse. Seriously, what was possible in 1910 is somehow difficult in 2018? I guess the future isn't what it used to be.

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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2018, 10:14:31 AM »
You tell me oren.
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/jan/30/us-crumbling-infrastructure-trump-state-of-union-address

For the larger picture, we don't build huge stone complexes anymore, we drill holes.
https://gizmodo.com/the-last-trace-of-humans-on-earth-will-be-the-holes-we-1616389931
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If you read a bit further, the Elon Poll continues: ;)

Exactly my point, he will only get votes from click-frantic twitter users.

I don't have twitter.  :)
It's done now and the "results" are in. Elon is correct in his last comment.
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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2018, 03:29:22 PM »
"There are a lot of things in this world that can get you down, but life can’t be about solving one miserable problem after another," Musk said. "There has to be things that inspire you, to make you wake up in the morning and be proud of humanity. That’s why we did this. There’s a guy, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, who said, 'The Earth is the cradle of humanity, but mankind cannot stay in the cradle forever.' It's time to become a starboard civilization and expand our consciousness. I find that incredibly exciting, and I'm excited to be alive."

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/972628124893671432
Falcon Heavy video at the link.
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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2018, 06:55:38 PM »
Posting this here as well, since it's better suited in this thread.
First the summary from ARTBA:
https://www.artba.org/2018/01/29/54000-american-bridges-structurally-deficient-analysis-new-federal-data-shows/

And the following response to Terry, also from the cars thread. Adding this first:
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/rolling-friction-resistance-d_1303.html
Railroad steel wheels on steel rails has a 10-15 times lower rolling coefficient than truck tires.


At speed, wheel friction is a neglible force compared to atmospheric drag — and the Tesla semi truck is optimized to reduce that drag, particularly in convoy mode, in ways trains cannot.  (Physically streamlined on all surfaces; ability to vary following distance to achieve lowest drag between trucks; precise battery/energy management.)

Do you have links for this?


IIRC Sleepy had a link that showed fore and aft atmospheric drag to be less than 8%, combined, and that was on a 19 car HSR set. Wouldn't slowing everything down to trucking speeds, then adding a hundred additional cars to make it a rather small modern train, almost eliminate fore/aft drag as a consideration?

The percentages I posted are from an engineer and instructor at SJ.
https://www.sj.se/en/about/about-sj.html

Here are percentages from a Swedish train buff for the air resistance of a typical (rather long...) high-speed train with 14 cars:

4.5% Front
3.5% aft
45% bogie and wheels
8% power take-off
4% air intake
7.5% Bottom
27% Surface friction from sides and ceilings

That is also one of the main reasons for Rodolphe Nieth to design a maglev train in underground vacuum tunnels, back in 1974. And the end of that saga came in 2009.

Percentages does not differ much between HSR and LSR. Total air resistance does with the speed, of course.

I could send him an email and ask for sources if you wish?

There are very good reasons for why the japanese maglev bullet train looks like it does.
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« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2018, 07:02:35 PM »

The future will be different, but it doesn't matter what or how we build, the hard part will always be the same. Maintaining it.


A very long time ago I was working in a poverty-stricken ex-Portuguese colony. When anything was bust (and a lot was bust) , the response was a shrug and " Falta manutenção".

But it was a wonderful place to work and live.
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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2018, 11:06:06 PM »
Thanks Sleepy.
I had remembered it as 19 cars rather than 14. My bad.


The 10% to 15% figure for the rolling coefficient has to be coupled with the number of wheels making contact with either the road or the track. An 18 wheeler has by definition 18 tires rolling down the highway. A modern lowboy rail car that carries between 2 and 4 trailers has 4 steel wheels.
A rail car with 4 wheels is replacing 2 semis with a minimum of 36 tires, or 9 tires for each steel wheel.
Since each tire requires 10 to 15 times as much energy to roll, it will require between 90 and 135 times more energy just to drag those tires along, unless they stack the trailers on the train. :(


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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2018, 06:24:47 AM »
Stumbled over the Mumbles.
Tren Bach I'r Mwmbwls.

http://www.welshwales.co.uk/mumbles_railway_swansea.htm
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The story of the "Mumbles Train", as it came to be known, is as heart breaking as it is fascinating. Considering its myriad achievements and world records, it's incongruous that the railway isn't more famous. It is disgraceful also that the railway was abruptly dismantled in 1960 (at that time electric tram powered) - 153 years after those historic first steps in 1807. To the commuter age and the world of transport that we take for granted today, this was an  innovation equivalent to any. The world's first - and the longest surviving railway until 1960 - is a worthy candidate of the history books. It is a complex human story of courage, humour and idiosyncrasy. It is a very Welsh story for it is as large, folksy and extraordinary as the ancient folk tales of our ancient Celtic nation of Wales, except all of it happened!
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Some time later, it transpired that the former South Wales Transport bus company had submitted a claim at the parliamentary hearing in 1959 that the railway was operating at a loss. However, the company accounts which were published in later years revealed that although the company owned the track outright, for accounting purposes it had been charging itself rent. In fact, the railway had been making a £5,500 profit.
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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2018, 01:23:13 AM »
“The one redeeming thing about my morning commute is that the commuter trains in Stockholm are named by the local pre schools. This week I’ve commuted on Best Friend, Glitter, Princess Train, and Wizard Train.”
https://twitter.com/ingebjorgthor/status/990684528724324352

The entire Twitter thread is filled with similar findings. :)
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« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2018, 09:26:13 PM »
Horrors!  ;D

Japanese train departs 25 seconds early - again
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A Japanese rail company has apologised after a train left a station 25 seconds early, the second such case in months.
The operator said the "great inconvenience we placed upon our customers was truly inexcusable".
If the details are anything to go by, customers are faced with slipping standards: a train last November left 20 seconds early while this time it was a full 25 seconds premature. ...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44149791


I wonder how punctual the next generation of mass transit (Loop, Hyperloop) will be. 
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Re: Trains, Trams, Subways and Buses
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2018, 09:31:38 PM »
Computer operated.  Shouldn't be any of that sloppy human 25 second error stuff.

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Re: Trains, Trams, Subways and Buses
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2018, 03:43:05 PM »
Computer operated.  Shouldn't be any of that sloppy human 25 second error stuff.

But will a pod, reserved for passengers going to their selected destination, delay its departure to wait for a late arrival?  Or will it take off without them?  What if it knows, by checking their current location via their phone app, how close they are to arriving at the pod?  Will it “care”? 

At least you won’t see people running after a pod they just missed.  ;)
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Re: Trains, Trams, Subways and Buses
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2018, 05:33:35 PM »
Computer operated.  Shouldn't be any of that sloppy human 25 second error stuff.

But will a pod, reserved for passengers going to their selected destination, delay its departure to wait for a late arrival?  Or will it take off without them?  What if it knows, by checking their current location via their phone app, how close they are to arriving at the pod?  Will it “care”? 

At least you won’t see people running after a pod they just missed.  ;)

I've never seen a subway train wait for people.  And running after a subway is a bit problematic.

I did manage to hold up a plane for about a half hour once because the person I was traveling with hadn't made it to the plane yet.  But that's not something one could get away with these days.

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I take that back.  I recently heard about a bride so distraught about her sister (?) missing her wedding that the head cabin crew member and pilot "remembered something that they had to do" and left the plane for a few minutes.  I'm guessing small local plane. 

I held up a big passenger plane.  ;o)

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Re: Trains, Trams, Subways and Buses
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2018, 07:29:59 PM »
Exactly!  Perhaps the pod will notify its passengers, “Your missing party will arrive momentarily.  Please remain seated.  Your ride will begin momentarily.  ‘So fun.’  :)
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Re: Trains, Trams, Subways and Buses
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2018, 10:47:31 AM »
I take that back.  I recently heard about a bride so distraught about her sister (?) missing her wedding that the head cabin crew member and pilot "remembered something that they had to do" and left the plane for a few minutes.  I'm guessing small local plane. 

Reminds me of this recent event:

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/wednesdays_papers_finns_top_soot_stats_rules_for_ex-ministers_tourist_family_train_switch/10085198

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A family of three on a tourist holiday in the north of Finland found themselves in a pickle when they failed to disembark from a Helsinki-Rovaniemi train in time at the station in Kemi, where they had hotel reservations. It was Sunday night, past the bedtime of the family's 5-year-old son, with no guarantee of a place to sleep at the next stop in Tervola. The -21 degree temperature made things seem doubly bleak, until conductor Sakari Puotiniemi stepped in.

"After we left Kemi I did my rounds along the train cars, and encountered this lost family," he says in IL. "I knew another train in the opposite direction would be along soon, so I made a few phone calls."

Puotiniemi says that trains can't usually just be stopped in the middle of the tracks on a whim, but that unusual times call for unusual measures.

The trains screeched to a halt side by side on parallel tracks, and the family galumphed through the knee-deep snow to the train that would deliver them safely to their original destination.

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Re: Trains, Trams, Subways and Buses
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2018, 09:33:27 PM »
Perhaps this will help others understand why many Americans don’t view subways as the ultimate gleaming solution enjoyed by many other countries. ;) :o

New York City’s subway disaster now has its own 8-bit video game
https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/26/17389768/new-york-citys-subway-disaster-now-has-its-own-8-bit-video-game
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Re: Trains, Trams, Subways and Buses
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2018, 04:29:00 PM »
New Hork City’s Hudson River Tunnel Project Pushes for U.S. Aid After Cutting Cost
•  Trump administration rescinded Obama support for plan
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The Gateway plan to replace two century-old commuter-train tunnels linking Manhattan and New Jersey should now be re-evaluated for federal aid after organizers cut costs and refined the design.

Supporters delivered that message Friday, saying the U.S. government needs to revisit its initial skepticism. More than $160 million has been cut from a $1.6 billion replacement for the Portal North Bridge over the Hackensack River in New Jersey, which will replace a 108-year-old swing-span drawbridge that closes for maritime traffic. That will improve access to and from the new tunnels under the Hudson River.

The $13 billion cost of the new tunnels secured a commitment from former President Barack Obama that the federal government would share half the costs. That promise was nullified by President Donald Trump’s Department of Transportation last year. Administration officials said the states couldn’t be considered to be sharing half the costs if they were also borrowing money for the project from the federal government, even though the states would repay it.

The current tunnels suffered corrosive damage in 2012 when they were flooded with salt water during Hurricane Sandy, and have an estimated 20 years more of use before they fail, Gateway officials have said.

The consequences of a shutdown without a replacement would be devastating to East Coast rail traffic serving a corridor between Washington and Boston representing about 10 percent of the U.S. economy, said Steven Cohen, chairman of the Gateway Program Development Corp. He said the project will allow more capacity, faster trains and improved reliability.


“These federal loans, they’re designed for this purpose,” Cohen told reporters at a press conference Friday. “This project will move forward because it has to move forward. You can’t be in a position that this tunnel could fail.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-29/nyc-hudson-tunnel-project-pushes-for-u-s-aid-after-cutting-cost
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Re: Trains, Trams, Subways and Buses
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2018, 05:41:05 PM »
As a regular rider of mass transit in Chicago, I would just like to say that the above ground transit trains are a far more pleasant ride than the subways. The passing aerial views are quite pleasant on your travels.

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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2018, 08:26:25 PM »
Bombardier unveils a new battery-powered train
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“We want to continue to electrify rail transport. A train that can charge its batteries from the overhead line while driving is a huge step toward this and the epitome of innovation. On non-electrified or only partially electrified routes, the motto is: move away from diesel on the tracks and toward cleaner and more environmentally-friendly mobility.”

Bombardier says that the train “does not generate any exhaust and sets the standards for smart mobility with peak values of 90 percent in the areas of efficiency and recyclability.”
https://electrek.co/2018/09/14/bombardier-battery-powered-train/
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