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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1650 on: April 18, 2021, 02:59:05 PM »
No it is not!

Sorry Vox. My mistake!

I'm probably over sensitive at the moment for some strange reason?

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1651 on: April 18, 2021, 03:02:48 PM »
I understand. No harm; no foul. Cheers

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1652 on: April 19, 2021, 04:52:18 PM »
I must confess I do not understand what moderation is for . TB, HHI etc are under moderation yet have free run here while Kassy and Oren complain when they are allowed to post in the off-topic section . Hard not to predict TB's  return when he is welcome to post without moderation . b.c.

  ps .. Copied from COVID-19 thread as more likely to be deleted there than anything TB etc post ..

Well moderation is mostly about posts being on topic.

That running free is also just perception.

For HHI i am pretty sure the last 2 approved posts were just articles.

What you did not get see where the 5 or so posts i deleted where he argues viruses do not exist.

TB is also not running free but if you look at the thread no one really discusses the argument.
That is fine, free world and all that but i suggest also not discussing the poster if you are not discussing the post.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1653 on: April 19, 2021, 09:52:50 PM »
TB is also not running free but if you look at the thread no one really discusses the argument.
That is fine, free world and all that but i suggest also not discussing the poster if you are not discussing the post.

What are the rules (if any) for the sender or the receiver on receiving an unsolicited PM sent to avoid the moderator?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1654 on: April 19, 2021, 10:17:49 PM »
What are the rules (if any) for the sender or the receiver on receiving an unsolicited PM sent to avoid the moderator?

What a coincidence. I have an inbox full of those too Gero!

Some of them are somewhat abusive :o
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1655 on: April 19, 2021, 10:26:21 PM »
Ditto!
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1656 on: April 19, 2021, 10:41:35 PM »
There are no set rules for that. But of course you are free to forward examples of anything that is send to you with additional queries.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1657 on: April 19, 2021, 11:57:33 PM »
You can block a user and thus avoid incoming messages as well, IIRC. But a poster who constantly abuses via PM should be reviewed by Neven for banning, so do forward examples of such repetitive behavior to the mods who will forward them further upon consensus.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1658 on: April 20, 2021, 01:31:12 AM »
Do forward examples of such repetitive behaviour to the mods who will forward them further upon consensus.

Which mod deals with PMs? Or is it the joint responsibility of all?

I have been subject to such "repetitive behaviour" on matters both Arctic and Covid for example.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1659 on: April 20, 2021, 03:12:18 AM »
This hasn't been discussed, but maybe send PM-related complaints to the mods on the basis of their subject matter, Arctic to me and Covid to Kassy. Or alternatively just send to all three mods.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1660 on: April 20, 2021, 07:33:44 AM »
Unlike Jim (and Vox?), I have just received the occasional irritation, and simply used the delete button.

But if it happens again....
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1661 on: April 20, 2021, 12:20:20 PM »
Those sending abusive pm's should have their entitlement to abuse removed . It was my continued receipt of abusive pm's that so annoyed me when Freegrass was allowed and encouraged to continue posting while abusing Blumenkraft and myself daily and even hourly . I would recommend anyone being abused by pm to send copies to all mods to help ensure that action is taken .

 here is the latest light hearted present from another poster :

 ''i've informed Neven as to what you are. you're a good german, you'd fit right in with modern day israel. fascist. this site is infested with ignorant ideological nutjobs. at least kassy has some understanding, despite gaslighting me over meta-narrative he couldn't help but wink acknowledgement though it was from the other side of the fence. we understand each other but you're way too ignorant for that. petite bourgeoisie. enjoy attempting to delete reality into utopia.''
 
  ''just doing my job'' b.c.

2007 + 5 = 2012 + 4 = 2016 + 3 = 2019 + 2 = 2021 + 1 =  ' if only we could have seen it coming ' ...

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1662 on: April 20, 2021, 03:11:37 PM »
Those sending abusive pm's should have their entitlement to abuse removed

Bad form to quote "private" messages in public b.c.  ;)

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1663 on: April 20, 2021, 05:58:19 PM »
Like all facilities, PMS can be used for a good purpose or for abuse. I do get more than my fair share of PM's pointing out where I've screwed up. But then again, I screw up more than my fair share of times. So for those PM's I am more than grateful.

As regards Jim's quote from a PM above, I suppose one could regard such as in some way a compliment? But seriously, does the system allow a poster's ability to send PMs to be withdrawn?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1664 on: April 21, 2021, 01:01:24 PM »
But seriously, does the system allow a poster's ability to send PMs to be withdrawn?

One would rather hope so, because for all I know it's possible to troll the entire ASIF user base in such a fashion. Ad infinitum via infinite "sock puppets"?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1665 on: April 21, 2021, 02:28:01 PM »
Well, I know it is possible to ignore PMs from a specific poster, so you could try that. They could start a new puppet, but it is just a couple clicks to ignore them.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1666 on: April 21, 2021, 07:38:47 PM »
Well, I know it is possible to ignore PMs from a specific poster, so you could try that. They could start a new puppet, but it is just a couple clicks to ignore them.
The object of the exercise is not how to avoid these plonkers but how to stop them. Loads of people leave facebook, twitter, instagram etc every day to avoid harassment, but that means the bastards have won.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1667 on: April 22, 2021, 09:51:03 AM »
On a practical note we cannot see PMs so if you get questionable ones report them.
TB has been told to stop sending PMs so let us know if he ignores that.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1668 on: April 22, 2021, 12:55:28 PM »
On a practical note we cannot see PMs so if you get questionable ones report them.
TB has been told to stop sending PMs so let us know if he ignores that.
So Poster A could write hoax PMs from Poster B and "report" them, and you would not be able to confirm?
Disturbing. I was a victim of such nonsense twenty years ago on another forum and I thought they would have arranged something to prevent such shenanigans.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1669 on: April 22, 2021, 04:44:50 PM »
Eventually the judgement goes to Neven, who I am sure has the ability to verify any accusations.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1670 on: May 03, 2021, 02:40:38 PM »
Surely time to open a specific thread for the ongoing technical discussions of an oceanographic diagram posted in the Arctic Image of the Day thread ?

I thought the AIOTD thread was more for posting casual/interesting photos of the Arctic

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1671 on: May 03, 2021, 04:03:30 PM »
Surely time to open a specific thread for the ongoing technical discussions of an oceanographic diagram posted in the Arctic Image of the Day thread ?

I thought the AIOTD thread was more for posting casual/interesting photos of the Arctic
So did I.

Those recent postings belonged in the "Smart" and "Stupid" Questions - Feel Free To Askthread. I don't think they needed a thread all of their own.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1672 on: May 03, 2021, 04:34:39 PM »
As it's become a long discussion thanks to insistent questioning, I have finally split the whole thing to a new thread in Arctic background.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1673 on: May 04, 2021, 02:18:02 AM »
Since the whole discussion revolves around one guy not liking a certain definition which has an actual technical (if not nice or likeable) meaning the whole thing is much better at home in stupid questions.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1674 on: May 04, 2021, 08:25:40 AM »
Cross post from the Covid thread:

Well said Rodius.
Neven wants to discuss the big picture, this is the wrong thread for it, as has been said repeatedly. As the big picture discussion is not taken up by others, Neven is using snark and flippant language, I guess in the hope of generating some response.
In addition, Neven often spreads misinformation about Covid, gained from shady websites such as Swiss Policy Research, although this has become less so over time.

As a moderator, if Neven would be doing this in the Cryosphere section I am in charge of, he would have been edited and reprimanded. It's funny and sad because what I know of moderating I learned from Neven himself, whom I greatly respect in all other aspects except his Covid posting behavior and stance.

Free speech is fine but in a forum and specifically the ASIF there are still certain basic rules which need to be followed.

Putting Neven on ignore is a terrible solution as all other posts by Neven are very important, IMHO. Ignoring a poster in a specific thread could come in handy, not for the first time.

I will cross post to the Decorum thread, feel free to respond there as well.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1675 on: May 06, 2021, 03:12:33 AM »
The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies
https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
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1. COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum
2. Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
3. Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
4. How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
5. Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1676 on: May 06, 2021, 11:28:24 PM »
I’d say, be careful with what you call misinformation and whether you yourself are misinformed or not.

You sound like a repressed authoritarian, Oren.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1677 on: May 07, 2021, 01:10:50 AM »
I’d say, be careful with what you call misinformation and whether you yourself are misinformed or not.

You sound like a repressed authoritarian, Oren.

Oren sounds like he is speaking truth to (about?) power. 

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1678 on: May 07, 2021, 02:27:33 AM »
I do try to be careful when assessing what is misinformation and what is not. Eventually I must rely on my judgement, along with the contributions of fellow posters, via their posts, mod reports, and other communication methods.
I can't testify about my repressed state, but I will admit I do believe in the authority of science, and that there are indeed such things as right information and wrong information.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1679 on: May 07, 2021, 11:52:11 PM »
I do try to be careful when assessing what is misinformation and what is not. Eventually I must rely on my judgement, along with the contributions of fellow posters, via their posts, mod reports, and other communication methods.
I can't testify about my repressed state, but I will admit I do believe in the authority of science, and that there are indeed such things as right information and wrong information.
Science doesn’t need authoritarianism to be respected. Science is often silenced by authoritarianism though.

But philosophical thoughts apart...

I do believe you have your own (good faith) judgement, and that everything needs limits ( and that includes yourself ). That you keep the main and most important threads (Cryosphere) well moderated is great, but that you wish you could apply the same regime to the more controversial, political threads, which content is more subjective, less objective, sounds excessive. That’s all.

Also you probably can lecture me about science, but you can’t tell me what is a reliable source of information and what is not. BBC is propaganda. CNN is propaganda. NYT is propaganda. That’s my starting point.