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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #1450 on: February 15, 2017, 05:41:13 AM »
The Flynn incident + Trump team contacts with Russia are heading towards major scandal status, on level with Watergate and Iran Contra, very quickly.  It seems implausible that the Exec Branch, including the Attorney General, and GOP leadership can now suppress or block full investigations, incremental to those in progress at FBI and elsewhere.  This will certainly distract and gum up any progress, on much of anything really, across the legislative and policy agendas. 

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« Reply #1451 on: February 15, 2017, 06:44:39 AM »
The Flynn incident + Trump team contacts with Russia are heading towards major scandal status, on level with Watergate and Iran Contra, very quickly.  It seems implausible that the Exec Branch, including the Attorney General, and GOP leadership can now suppress or block full investigations, incremental to those in progress at FBI and elsewhere.  This will certainly distract and gum up any progress, on much of anything really, across the legislative and policy agendas.

I remember last fall when Trump's victory was such a surprise. No one expected him to win. Now, in office less than a month, the wheel's are already coming off. As unlikely a Trump election victory was, is it all that surprising to see what is happening now?

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #1452 on: February 15, 2017, 01:21:09 PM »
So why do you think a large percentage of the electorate voted for him?, it wasn't as though he hid his personality flaws from the voters.

May I refer you once again to this?

"How Trump Won"

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We can see that many Trump voters knew full well that their man was a reprobate, that they deplored his crudities and that they saw him as a risky choice. And yet in a world where the system is seen to be against “us” and where things appear to be driven in the wrong direction by “them,” the really irrational thing to do is to vote for the conventional candidate who represents sticking with that system.
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« Reply #1453 on: February 15, 2017, 02:52:31 PM »
Some believe Pence is complicit in this mess, but from what I've read (so far), that isn't the case. He may be a lot of things, but I don't believe he would knowingly take part in this.

I don't believe Pence his-self is intentionally complicit.  My read is that Bannon uses him for that role. As long as Pences doesn't lie, he's content.  :-/

Back in November Pence -- put an end to lobbyists in the Administration, look how that turned out.  Donnie raked in a lot more money, hiring lobbyists bosses...   Christie was kicked to the curb...  Curious.
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« Reply #1454 on: February 15, 2017, 03:21:33 PM »
This is a colection of articles trying to get an idea of who Trump as leader is.
Trump’s leadership style likely will have negative effects, UB expert says
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“An authoritarian command-and-control style is highly directive and even dictatorial. It occurs when someone is trying to change a huge system in rapid motion and there is no room for debate, dissent or conflicting ideas,” he explains. “Not only are poor decisions made in that kind of a world, but people think, ‘why should I be loyal to this agency anymore when I am not valued or appreciated, and my opinions are not respected.’ This leadership style creates a toxic climate.”
Don’t expect Trump to settle down anytime soon – chaos is the President’s preferred management style
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But prior predictions that Trump will calm down or normalise have generally been proven wrong. Trump seems comfortable in chaos; like his oft-stated idea that unpredictability is a virtue in negotiations (and, by extension, in foreign policy) is connected to a general comfort with a constant level of disruption. The federal bureaucracy, by contrast, is designed to tolerate the disruption of a presidential transition, but not governance by constant crisis. Ultimately, one must accommodate the other – but at this stage, there is little indication of how that might happen.
Case Study in Chaos: How Management Experts Grade a Trump White House
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The unanimous verdict: Thus far, the Trump administration is a textbook case of how not to run a complex organization like the executive branch.
“This is so basic, it’s covered in the introduction to the M.B.A. program that all our students take,” said Lindred Greer, an assistant professor of organizational behavior at the Stanford Graduate School of Business. By all outward indications, Mr. Trump “desperately needs to take the course,” she said.
Trump’s leadership style: Bravado and branding
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Donald Trump’s leadership style was built on his father’s success in the roughand-tumble world of developing apartments in New York’s outer boroughs, and refined under the tutelage of Roy Cohn, the Manhattan lawyer who taught Trump that all publicity is good publicity and that victory comes only to those who hit back a hundred times harder.
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Building such uncertainty and unpredictability into his leadership and decision-making allows Trump to float possibilities, test ideas and remain antagonistic to the powers that be — all before he puts a decision into play. Add his infamous lack of impulse control — his predawn tweets, his thinskinned reaction to criticism, his insulting comments about people he’s already defeated — and a short attention span — he said he has no patience for reading reports or briefings — and the result is something not quite like any previous occupant of the White House.
A Staff Shake-Up Won’t Save Trump’s Flailing Presidency
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Trump can fire, or force to resign, almost anyone in the administration save Pence. But doing so isn’t likely to suddenly turn things around in the White House. Trump will seek new supplicants as replacements, and they, too, will fall out of favor with him—for reasons they may or may not understand. It is well-documented that Trump is a rude, mercurial, vengeful boss who is, oxymoronically, an inattentive micromanager. He is arrogant enough to believe he knows everything, and thus his staffers are expendable minions, but he’s too ignorant to govern well. The only effective staff shake-up would be one aimed at the very top. That, in the end, is the real problem with this White House: Trump can’t fire himself.
IMO what you see is what you will get. Trump has done things Trumps way all his life and from his veiw been very successful at it.It is very doubtful that he will make any changes no matter how bad things may become, because in his mind it is always someone else's fault.
In regards to scientists and the environment, He cares very little for it, because it is not his brand. So the next four years at the best will be just a stalemate with things gradually getting worse, or a plummet to disaster.
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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #1455 on: February 15, 2017, 03:56:14 PM »
No matter HOW you slice it.....the election in 2016 was close.  And it was close in many of the polls.  There were MANY STATES where we KNEW it was going to be close:  Pennsylvania, Florida, Colorado, Michigan, New Hampshire, Nevada....and even Wisconsin (see Forbes article at the bottom).

There WERE some polls....like the ABC poll that was WAY off (bullish for Clinton).  But overall....the polls were close.  I also left out a Rasmussen Poll that I believe had

Not sure where the person got the 90% or whatever it was for Nate Silvers site (perhaps an "alternative fact")....but the REAL Nate numbers are below...with the LINK:).  Nate had the popular vote within 3.6% (that's close in my book).


A.  Nate Silver final poll: Clinton 48.5% of popular vote
                                        Trump  44.9% of popular vote

NOTE:  The above results were predictions for the popular vote.  The predictions for the "chances of winning" (based on electoral vote) was as follows:

                                Clinton 71.4%                                 
                                Trump 28.6%

You need to understand what those percentages mean.  The above % means that for the thousands of "iterations" of the model that they run......that 71% of the time it came out with Clinton winning.....AND.....29% of the time it came out with Trump winning.  That ONLY HAPPENS in a fairly CLOSE race...as it was in 2016.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

B.  Investors Busineess Daily/TIPP:  Trump 45% popular vote
                                                           Clinton 43% popular vote

http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-presidential-election-poll/

C.  LA Times/USC poll:  This is one of the few polls that had Trump winning throughout MOST of the entire campaign with only a couple minor short periods.  And the linked article contains a VERY VALID QUOTE:  "The truth is not decided by committee."


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-usc-latimes-poll-20161108-story.html

And here is an interesting article in Forbes regarding the Wisconsin vote:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/30/in-wisconsin-clintons-pre-election-poll-numbers-were-accurate/#24b26826291e
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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #1456 on: February 15, 2017, 04:02:23 PM »
Most GOP leaders and congress people, across the spectrum, have made a "deal with the devil" since as you mention they have absolute power across the three branches of US government, and Trump is seen as a conduit to achieving their fiscal and social agendas.

The linked article is entitled: "Trump signs law rolling back disclosure rule for energy and mining companies", and it illustrates how Trump is already working with the Congressional GOP to promote fossil fuel (& mining) production.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-signs-law-rolling-back-disclosure-rule-for-energy-and-mining-companies/2017/02/14/ccd93e90-f2cd-11e6-b9c9-e83fce42fb61_story.html?utm_term=.d3282c09b3c4

Extract: "President Trump signed his first piece of legislation on Tuesday, a measure that could presage the most aggressive assault on government regulations since President Reagan.

The bill cancels out a Securities and Exchange Commission regulation that would have required oil and gas and mining companies to disclose in detail the payments they make to foreign governments in a bid to boost transparency in resource-rich countries."
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« Reply #1457 on: February 15, 2017, 05:19:41 PM »
The Flynn incident + Trump team contacts with Russia are heading towards major scandal status, on level with Watergate and Iran Contra, very quickly.  It seems implausible that the Exec Branch, including the Attorney General, and GOP leadership can now suppress or block full investigations, incremental to those in progress at FBI and elsewhere.  This will certainly distract and gum up any progress, on much of anything really, across the legislative and policy agendas.

Watch: How Vladimir Putin won Republicans' approval



See also:

http://www.vox.com/2017/2/14/14620384/trump-campaign-russian-contact

&

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/31/14439908/steve-bannon-worldview-visa-ban
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« Reply #1458 on: February 15, 2017, 06:53:33 PM »
The linked article is entitled: “It’s bigger than Flynn. New Russia revelations widen Trump’s credibility gap.“, the plot thickens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/02/15/daily-202-it-s-bigger-than-flynn-new-russia-revelations-widen-trump-s-credibility-gap/58a3c5b9e9b69b1406c75cb4/?utm_term=.f70eab6d6a72

Extract: “THE BIG IDEA: The credibility gap – maybe chasm is a better word at this point – keeps widening for Donald Trump and his White House. “
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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #1459 on: February 15, 2017, 06:58:44 PM »
April 22nd in a city near you........Some people can be convinced with a carrot.  Others need more prodding.  More prodding over the coming weeks and months will happen.

March is quickly arriving.....

Tick....tick....tick....tick....tick....

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #1460 on: February 15, 2017, 09:33:15 PM »
From another thread:

How's this for a tipping point?  :)

Trump voters expect the president to lead on clean energy
70 percent of Trump voters want clean energy to make America great again.
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...According to a new report from Yale and George Mason universities, seven in 10 Trump voters support government research into clean energy and support tax rebates for consumers who buy solar panels and fuel-efficient cars. Slightly more than half of Trump voters want to end subsidies for fossil fuels.
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According to Garcia, clean energy has gone mainstream, earning broad support across the political spectrum. Once the purview of tree-hugging coastal elites, cutting-edge clean-energy innovations like Tesla’s Model 3 are now seen by many as must-have consumer technology. ...
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-voters-expect-the-president-to-lead-on-clean-energy-56e6d1a7e025
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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #1461 on: February 15, 2017, 09:38:40 PM »
The linked article is entitled: “Did Oprah Winfrey Torpedo Labor Nominee Andrew Puzder?”  It is fair to judge Trump by the company he keeps.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-oprah-winfrey-might-bring-down-trump-labor-nominee-andrew-n721116

Extract: “As the White House grapples with the fallout from the resignation of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, another controversy for the new administration has emerged: their pick for Labor Secretary, Andrew Puzder, is expected to withdraw his name from consideration for the Cabinet post.”

Edit, it is now official that Andrew Puzder has withdrawn from consideration for his nomination to be Labor Secretary.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politics/top-senate-republicans-urge-white-house-to-withdraw-puzder-nomination/
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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #1462 on: February 15, 2017, 11:01:52 PM »
So...

This is the thread

for people who LIKE shouting? Or [/bNOT?]

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #1463 on: February 15, 2017, 11:11:24 PM »
SHOUTING lager, lager, LAGER[/size]

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« Reply #1464 on: February 15, 2017, 11:18:15 PM »
O heck, I meant,

LAGER, Lager, lager µLager; SHOUTING

But obviously, I'm not as skilled a political spin-doctor as some.

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« Reply #1465 on: February 15, 2017, 11:21:34 PM »
More lager to the people....

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« Reply #1466 on: February 15, 2017, 11:23:28 PM »
BUGGER!

This is interesting...

https://twitter.com/roguepotusstaff

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« Reply #1467 on: February 15, 2017, 11:56:43 PM »
la·ger
[ˈläɡər]

NOUN
a kind of beer, effervescent and light in color and body.

Speaking of beer, think I'll have one! Politics is such thirsty work.

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #1468 on: February 16, 2017, 12:06:57 AM »

Short answer:  no.  But, there is not much of an establishment remaining.

The "republican establishment" is among the many species on the endangered list we we accelerate through the Anthropocene.  Observers will dispute the exact genesis, but the Republican party has been tacking increasingly hard right since the 1980s and especially since the mid 1990s, after Bill Clinton broke the continuity of the "Reagan Revolution".  Clinton (and by extension Hillary Clinton) became the devil incarnate to Republicans.

Bush II strayed from core conservative principals, which along with the election of Obama sent the US right wing over the cliff.  The Tea Party became an organized effort in mid 2009 (completely authentic of course, not like these millions of Soros funded protesters we see now in the US) and swept out some establishment types beginning in 2010.

The sheer fact that Trump was able to best 16 other Republican candidates, both traditional and far right types, demonstrated the GOP establishment was for all intents and purposes neutralized as a serious political force.  Trump is neither establishment GOP or Tea Party, but is an opportunist and has shown a proclivity to elevate fringe elements and extremist philosophies from across the US right wing.

Most GOP leaders and congress people, across the spectrum, have made a "deal with the devil" since as you mention they have absolute power across the three branches of US government, and Trump is seen as a conduit to achieving their fiscal and social agendas.  Of course all battle plans are good until the first shot is fired, and we are seeing what will likely be shattered dreams among the GOP, and implications downstream in coming elections.

thanks for the insight and very informative reply, very much appreciated.  :) :) :)
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« Reply #1469 on: February 16, 2017, 12:20:14 AM »
Psychiatrists question Trump's mental health in a letter to NY Times.

http://www.lancedodes.com/new-york-times-letter

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« Reply #1470 on: February 16, 2017, 06:16:43 AM »
The Tea Party became an organized effort in mid 2009 (completely authentic of course, not like these millions of Soros funded protesters we see now in the US).


Pileus: Your brief history of the Republicans from 1981 to present is very good, although I would question the origins of the "Tea Party", as well as your characterization of anti-Trump protesters. The Tea Party for the most part was authentic, but wasn't it funded to some degree by the Koch Bros.? If that is the case, and I think it is, why are the anti-Trump protesters, if supported by Soros not authentic?

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« Reply #1471 on: February 16, 2017, 10:56:02 AM »
The Tea Party became an organized effort in mid 2009 (completely authentic of course, not like these millions of Soros funded protesters we see now in the US).


Pileus: Your brief history of the Republicans from 1981 to present is very good, although I would question the origins of the "Tea Party", as well as your characterization of anti-Trump protesters. The Tea Party for the most part was authentic, but wasn't it funded to some degree by the Koch Bros.? If that is the case, and I think it is, why are the anti-Trump protesters, if supported by Soros not authentic?


Just as the Tea Party is/was an authentic manifestation of the brothers Koch
so
The Trump protesters are an authentic manifestation of the mind of Soros.


Don't get me wrong, I sometimes find myself in total agreement with Soros. Getting rid of Sheriff Joe was a wonderful outcome & I could care less who organized his downfall.


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« Reply #1472 on: February 16, 2017, 11:05:46 AM »
Excecutive orders coming up states TheHill, am I right in assuming this is one of the more reliable teaparty papers? ww.thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/319667-report-trump-aiming-to-sign-sweeping-epa-executive-orders


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« Reply #1473 on: February 16, 2017, 01:23:15 PM »
Keep in mind that the mouthpieces of Trump will continue to be FOX and the Wall Street Journal....both owned by Rupert Murdoch.  And they will go into overdrive here soon.....when the EPA secretary gears up here shortly.  They have NO JOURNALISM............

http://therightscoop.com/wsj-says-u-s-spies-are-hiding-intelligence-from-trump-out-of-fear-of-leaks/

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« Reply #1474 on: February 16, 2017, 02:10:14 PM »
McCain and Graham are going to continue to be the "drivers" from the "moderate right".  I certainly disagree with both of them on some issues......but they will become key figures as this web continues to untangle in the months ahead.  I see that Trump was trying to make "nicey nice" with Rubio last night at Mar a Lago.  Donnie is going to need some friends in Congress so this doesn't "get away from him."

This is all about "controlling things" right now for Donnie.  Controlling what comes out of the intelligence agencies.....what comes out of Congress.....and comes out in the press.  It will require Donnies and Bannon's best PR to date.  And at the same time....there are forces that will be pushing facts out that Donnie doesn't want people to see.  March and April look to be SIGNIFICANT MONTHS for activity.

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Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who is rapidly emerging as the most influential counterweight to the administration on Capitol Hill, said Tuesday there is “significant disarray” in the national security realm. He made the connection that has Washington fixated on a series of bigger pictures.

“Gen. Flynn’s resignation also raises further questions about the Trump administration’s intentions toward Vladimir Putin’s Russia,” McCain said.

It’s not just intentions but connections that figure to drive the story. The extent of the Trump operation’s communications with Russian operatives during the election has been the subject of widespread speculation but few verifiable details so far.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/analysis-michael-flynn-resignation-raises-dark-questions-surrounding/story?id=45486020
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« Reply #1475 on: February 16, 2017, 02:46:20 PM »
Yes.....don't worry about "The Russians Are Coming".....Chaffetz wants to know who told everyone.  Chaffetz is a WORTHLESS POS (Person Of Service... ;)).

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-republicans-seek-investigation-potential-illegal-justice-department/story?id=45523826

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« Reply #1476 on: February 16, 2017, 04:57:07 PM »
The Tea Party became an organized effort in mid 2009 (completely authentic of course, not like these millions of Soros funded protesters we see now in the US).


Pileus: Your brief history of the Republicans from 1981 to present is very good, although I would question the origins of the "Tea Party", as well as your characterization of anti-Trump protesters. The Tea Party for the most part was authentic, but wasn't it funded to some degree by the Koch Bros.? If that is the case, and I think it is, why are the anti-Trump protesters, if supported by Soros not authentic?

Bud - my comment on the current protestors and Soros was poorly veiled snark.  :-)

Of course demonstrations and protests of recent magnitude (and what will likely be larger ones to come as the authoritarian screws tighten) require planning and organization.  IMO there is no cabal headed by Soros stroking checks.  If so, he owes me some money!

It's primarily the power of social media platforms and the interconnectedness of vast and disparate groups of people in real time.  Even more advanced since 2009.  And it's the revulsion that many people feel to what they are observing with the new administration and its so called values.

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« Reply #1477 on: February 16, 2017, 07:00:27 PM »
It appears David Schnare is the name of one of the new nasty evil  well soilers destroying the safety of peoples in North America  https://insideclimatenews.org/news/15022017/david-schnare-epa-donald-trump-climate-change-denial-scott-pruitt
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« Reply #1478 on: February 16, 2017, 07:11:48 PM »
The linked article is entitled: "Trump's likely science adviser calls climate scientists 'glassy-eyed cult'".  For those who choose the greater of two evils, that is exactly what you are getting w.r.t. climate change policy.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/15/trump-science-adviser-william-happer-climate-change-cult

Extract: "William Happer, frontrunner for job of providing mainstream scientific opinion to officials, backs crackdown on federal scientists’ freedom to speak out.

The man tipped as frontrunner for the role of science adviser to Donald Trump has described climate scientists as “a glassy-eyed cult” in the throes of a form of collective madness."
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« Reply #1479 on: February 16, 2017, 07:24:57 PM »
Just as the Tea Party is/was an authentic manifestation of the brothers Koch
so
The Trump protesters are an authentic manifestation of the mind of Soros.
Terry,

You seem to be ignoring billionaire Robert Mercer's alt-right network's role with Team Trump, and the associated favors the Trump Administration is doing for Hedge Funds via financial deregulation.  In a kleptocracy one hand washes the other.

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:18114:The-Bizarre-Far-Right-Billionaire-Behind-Bannon-and-Trump%27s-Presidency

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« Reply #1480 on: February 16, 2017, 08:21:24 PM »
I previously posted about this matter in Reply #1443, and the following article entitled: "Donald Trump May Have Just Committed an Impeachable Offense", provides further discussions of how Trump is likely violating the emolument clause of the US Constitution.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/02/donald-trump-impeachable-offense

Extract: "China’s decision to gift the president a valuable trademark this week could violate the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution.

Still, there is some good news for Trump and his personal brand, if not for his already embattled administration. According to ABC News, Trump received a big, fat gift from China this week in the form of a 10-year trademark on his name for construction.

The award marks a sudden reversal of fortunes for Trump, who had reportedly been trying to win the valuable rights to his name for a decade. Interestingly, the Chinese government came through for him one month after he took the oath of office and a week after his conversation with Chinese president Xi Jinping during which he endorsed the One China policy. After years of battling to take back the rights to his name from a man named Dong Wei, Trump’s registration was made official on Tuesday and announced by China’s trademark office on Wednesday.
There are several problems with this. First, it is easy to see how the approval of the Trump Organization’s application can be viewed as a foreign government giving favorable treatment to a president’s business, even though Trump has allegedly removed himself from day-to-day operations. His two adult sons still run the company, and since he did not divest, he still benefits from any financial gains. Second, with that financial benefit, ethics experts note that this could be leverage for the Chinese government to use over the president. And third, despite the fact that most conflict-of-interest laws don’t apply to the president, such a ruling from the Chinese government may violate the Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits a president from accepting any gift or anything of value from a foreign government or entity. A trademark, which Trump appeared to value for a decade, could be perceived as unconstitutional."
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« Reply #1481 on: February 16, 2017, 09:07:17 PM »
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Just as the Tea Party is/was an authentic manifestation of the brothers Koch
so
The Trump protesters are an authentic manifestation of the mind of Soros.


Don't get me wrong, I sometimes find myself in total agreement with Soros.

I think the thought that "Soros" is behind the protests......like Koch was behind the Tea Party is "false equivalency."  Or....maybe it is just me that has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what George Soros' feelings are on almost any political issue.

The Koch brothers were very calculated.......and very involved in the building the local and state infrastructures for those with "tea party" inclinations.  Maybe I just have been "out of the loop"....but I don't SEE and I don't HEAR about "Soros money" in support of a lot of local and state politicians the way that the Koch Brothers do.  All I ever hear is this generic "Soros money" is paying for the protestors.  I don't buy it.

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« Reply #1482 on: February 16, 2017, 11:03:40 PM »
Just as the Tea Party is/was an authentic manifestation of the brothers Koch
so
The Trump protesters are an authentic manifestation of the mind of Soros.
Terry,

You seem to be ignoring billionaire Robert Mercer's alt-right network's role with Team Trump, and the associated favors the Trump Administration is doing for Hedge Funds via financial deregulation.  In a kleptocracy one hand washes the other.

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:18114:The-Bizarre-Far-Right-Billionaire-Behind-Bannon-and-Trump%27s-Presidency

Best,
ASLR


I certainly didn't intend to imply that the Koch brothers and Soros are the only two oligarchs messing about in politics.


There are more than a few in the Ukraine alone that pull politicians in various directions. Soros has been at it longer than most, has a broader base, and may be the most successful to date.


OSF the Open Society Foundation serves as an umbrella for some of Soros NGOs, and with expenditures of $11B dwarfs the efforts of many of his rivals.


Most of his successful operations seem to be based on waiting until after an election, then protesting the results.


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« Reply #1483 on: February 16, 2017, 11:14:39 PM »
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Just as the Tea Party is/was an authentic manifestation of the brothers Koch
so
The Trump protesters are an authentic manifestation of the mind of Soros.


Don't get me wrong, I sometimes find myself in total agreement with Soros.

I think the thought that "Soros" is behind the protests......like Koch was behind the Tea Party is "false equivalency."  Or....maybe it is just me that has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what George Soros' feelings are on almost any political issue.

The Koch brothers were very calculated.......and very involved in the building the local and state infrastructures for those with "tea party" inclinations.  Maybe I just have been "out of the loop"....but I don't SEE and I don't HEAR about "Soros money" in support of a lot of local and state politicians the way that the Koch Brothers do.  All I ever hear is this generic "Soros money" is paying for the protestors.  I don't buy it.


Perhaps you pay more attention to politics within the US, than politics around the world. Soros is very well known internationally, and his NGOs have been banned from several countries. His ongoing fight with Hungary has been making news, possibly because Soros is from Hungary.


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« Reply #1484 on: February 16, 2017, 11:20:24 PM »
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Perhaps you pay more attention to politics within the US, than politics around the world. Soros is very well known internationally, and his NGOs have been banned from several countries. His ongoing fight with Hungary has been making news, possibly because Soros is from Hungary.

I have not a SINGLE CLUE as to what goes on in most other countries....especially with Soros.  In the US...the Koch brothers have their hands (and dollars) DEEPLY ENTENCHED in local politics.  With Soros....I haven't heard anything about him being involved in local/state politics.


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« Reply #1485 on: February 16, 2017, 11:23:27 PM »
The linked article is entitled: "The Latest: Trump overturns bill on coal mining debris".  No matter how weak Obama (and his fellow globalists) was (were) in protecting the environment; Team Trump (and his fellow kleptocrats) is (are) demonstrably worse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/whitehouse/the-latest-trump-urges-venezuela-to-release-lopez/2017/02/15/fa23d4a6-f3df-11e6-9fb1-2d8f3fc9c0ed_story.html?utm_term=.9fbef395cd64

Extract: "President Donald Trump has put the brakes on a regulation blocking coal mining debris from being dumped into nearby streams.

Trump called the regulation a “job-killing rule” before he signed a measure to overturn it."
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« Reply #1486 on: February 17, 2017, 07:43:43 AM »
Trump seemed fatigued and short of breath at his bizarre press event today.  If anything comes of the Russia allegations this will be remembered as a Nixonian moment.  He's coming across as more isolated, he's even starting to lose Fox News, and this was probably a direct appeal to his red hats.  Plus the "campaign rally" on Saturday in Orlando.  Could be a flashpoint as the crowd will have strong opinions and feelings on all sides.

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« Reply #1487 on: February 17, 2017, 12:46:21 PM »
I feel SOOOOO much better now after Donnie's 77 minute chat with America and the press.  Now I understand why the Trump voters voted for him:

1)  He looked and acted "presidential"
2)  He was steady and rational
3)  He showed great depth of knowledge
4)  He came off as trustworthy
5)  Most of all he came off as a "steady hand" that the US people can unite behind

NOT

He is even worse than I thought he was.....and I already knew he was bat shit crazy.  He is totally delusional.  I have to hand it to Russia.....they definitely got their guy in office.  Well done.

Fortunately....he has a strong staff around him. ;)  Boy.....is this going to be a fascinating ride or what.


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« Reply #1488 on: February 17, 2017, 12:54:34 PM »
An interesting article.
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TRUMP'S CHOICE

A future in which other countries hedge as the United States abandons its decades-long leadership is not preordained. Whether it comes to pass will depend on the choices Trump makes as president. If he pivots away from his campaign pledges—in response to the advice of senior advisers, pressure from Congress, or pleas from foreign leaders—his administration could revert to a more standard U.S. grand strategy. But if he makes life riskier for longtime partners—by weakening U.S. alliance commitments, adopting protectionist economic policies, and shirking obligations to combat global warming—U.S. allies and partners will seek to advance their national security, prosperity, and well-being through increased autonomy. In that case, the Trump administration will find that its attempts to expand the United States’ freedom of action and keep others guessing will be met in kind, to the benefit of U.S. rivals and to the detriment of U.S. economic interests and the health of the planet.

That would be an ironic outcome. A leitmotif of Trump’s presidential campaign was the need to reduce Americans’ vulnerability to international threats and unfair economic competition. And yet the steps Trump has endorsed risk driving away U.S. allies and partners, exposing Americans to global instability and economic retaliation, and accelerating the demise of the world the United States made.
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« Reply #1489 on: February 17, 2017, 01:28:37 PM »
So.....let's take a step back and look where we are:

1)  Journalists have "grown a pair" in many cases.  This will continue (enlarge ;))...  Even Shep Smith at fake news FOX is questioning him and calling out his lies.  If that continues that is NOT going to make Donald's poll numbers "great again."

2)  Trump's support from the "moderate Republicans" has started to weaken.  This will also continue to grow and expand in coming weeks and months.  Lindsay Graham and John McCain are no doubt feeling pretty vindicated right now.  They will get more company in coming weeks/months.

3)  Now at 40% approval in the Gallup poll......if/when that gets into the 30 - 35% area more support will start to head for the lifeboats.  Will be interesting to see how low his numbers will be over the next couple of weeks.  Remember....he DOES have a group of supporters that will support him NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES.  It will be interesting to see how they hold up in the next couple of months.

4)  We are heading towards an independent investigation in the Russian involvment....no matter what Jason Chaffetz says.  The last thing Jason Chaffetz wants is an independent investigation of ANY KIND.....because if they start digging into the FBI stuff......little weasel Jason is in deep trouble...and so is Rudy......and Comey.

5)  Less than 2 weeks from March 1st.......Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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« Reply #1490 on: February 17, 2017, 02:38:01 PM »
Does anybody here remember Dennis Kucinich?
He was a Democratic congressman from Ohio who lost his seat through gerrymandering. He voted against invading Iraq, ran for the presidency in 2004 & 2008, was considered so green that the green party was quoted as saying that if he won the primary they wouldn't field a candidate to oppose him. He fought for the Kyoto Protocol and considers climate change legislation to be of extreme importance.


After a lifetime of delivering "the strongest liberal perspective", on Tuesday Kucinich told the American people to "Wake up", that this isn't an anti-Trump game, but rather an anti-Russian game. He fears that the "Deep State" is fighting Trump in order to ramp up hostilities against Russia.


This <8 min. interview is well worth the listen.


https://mishtalk.com/2017/02/16/kucinich-warns-of-deep-state-defends-trump-tells-america-to-wake-up/


An interesting message from a very liberal democrat.


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« Reply #1491 on: February 17, 2017, 03:14:49 PM »
I feel SOOOOO much better now after Donnie's 77 minute chat with America and the press.  Now I understand why the Trump voters voted for him:

1)  He looked and acted "presidential"
2)  He was steady and rational
3)  He showed great depth of knowledge
4)  He came off as trustworthy
5)  Most of all he came off as a "steady hand" that the US people can unite behind

NOT

He is even worse than I thought he was.....and I already knew he was bat shit crazy.  He is totally delusional.  I have to hand it to Russia.....they definitely got their guy in office.  Well done.

Fortunately....he has a strong staff around him. ;)  Boy.....is this going to be a fascinating ride or what.

hard to express this in english but we have nice terms for that kind of speech he held last night, but i can try to describe what those terms in fact mean:

a) kindergarden

b) inferiority complex on root level paired with

c) delusions of grandeur or megalomania aimed at compensating for "b)"

d) self-pity, based on "b)" and "c)"

as a U.S. citicien i'd feel vicariously embarrassed ( same feeling i have for the a-kissing clowns who build the swiss executive) who disregard the peoples will and prefer to sneek into the EU's anus so to belong and be respected by their own species (political class) just to tell.

that was just embarrassing, whoever has to point out he/she is not a bad guy often is exactly that and each man who has to point out that he is a man is exactly not which is why they have to treat women with disrespect, again to compensate for what's missing.

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« Reply #1492 on: February 17, 2017, 03:25:41 PM »
This <8 min. interview is well worth the listen.

For those who do not like to click on links, this video clip is from a Fox 'News' TV interview (Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch).
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« Reply #1493 on: February 17, 2017, 03:44:01 PM »
Russian connection conspiracies vs. Deep state conspiracies.   Which appears more credible ?

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« Reply #1494 on: February 17, 2017, 04:02:53 PM »
There are TWO OTHER ISSUES that permeate the Trump presidency:

1)  This was FOX"s guy (Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly were actively campaigning broadcasting for him from their perch on FOX.

2)  FOX has also been lying about global warming for the last 25 years.....and Donnie Boy was their guy to keep carrying THAT torch.

Now...it turns out that:

1)  FOX was lying about global warming for the last 25 years as each month's research shows that things are even worse than we thought....

2)  FOX lied about their boy Donnie.

In other words....the REAL CULPRIT HERE isn't just an inept boob of a lying Donald Trump....it is actually much worse than that. IT IS THE LYING FAKE JOURNALISM OF FOX NEWS FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS that has brainwashed people.


FOX News:  "Where truth and journalism are dead."

And those "hardened" Trump supporters?  I want to see a poll....SOON....as to the news station most of them watch.   THAT....is the poll I want to see.


 
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« Reply #1495 on: February 17, 2017, 04:09:27 PM »
Which appears more credible ?

The linked article is entitled: "US scientists fear America under Donald Trump will become like a totalitarian regime".  I find scientists to be credible.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-scientists-donald-trump-america-societ-union-russia-politics-climate-change-denierfossil-fuels-a7584096.html

Extract: "'When officials use the phrase "alternative facts" without embarrassment, we know there’s a problem,' AAAS CEO Rush Holt warns".

Scientists fear the United States under Donald Trump could become like the Soviet Union, in which the prevailing political ideology was so powerful that science was unable to contradict it with hard evidence."
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« Reply #1496 on: February 17, 2017, 04:24:20 PM »
Which appears more credible ?


The linked article is entitled: "US scientists fear America under Donald Trump will become like a totalitarian regime".  I find scientists to be credible.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-scientists-donald-trump-america-societ-union-russia-politics-climate-change-denierfossil-fuels-a7584096.html

Extract: "'When officials use the phrase "alternative facts" without embarrassment, we know there’s a problem,' AAAS CEO Rush Holt warns".
Scientists fear the United States under Donald Trump could become like the Soviet Union, in which the prevailing political ideology was so powerful that science was unable to contradict it with hard evidence."
but then there would be peace on earth with all superpowers authoritarian/totalitarian regimes .../sarcasm off

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« Reply #1497 on: February 17, 2017, 04:35:37 PM »
Which appears more credible ?


The linked article is entitled: "US scientists fear America under Donald Trump will become like a totalitarian regime".  I find scientists to be credible.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-scientists-donald-trump-america-societ-union-russia-politics-climate-change-denierfossil-fuels-a7584096.html

Extract: "'When officials use the phrase "alternative facts" without embarrassment, we know there’s a problem,' AAAS CEO Rush Holt warns".
Scientists fear the United States under Donald Trump could become like the Soviet Union, in which the prevailing political ideology was so powerful that science was unable to contradict it with hard evidence."

however strange people americans at times elect into office, the moment the governement/authorities will overdo it, will overbid their hand so to say, people will strike back in force, the U.S. will never become a dictatorship (at least not an obvious one) and the subtile one we (you) already have will be brought to fall the moment i mentioned above. perhaps once again i put too much trust in peoples force but then i predicted the downfall of the USSR when i was 12 years old in the 60-ties for one simple reason. reading and understanding history will tell us what will happen in the future, over and over again, with the sole problem that we never know when exactly things happen because events always needed and will need a trigger event which at times can be very minor and in no way proportionate. once the avalanche of public uproar is rolling there won't remain one stone on top of another as we say and it has always been that way, it's the fate of the irresponsible and corrupt rulers/systems/empires, one can choose, it applies to any unjust system.

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« Reply #1498 on: February 17, 2017, 04:41:56 PM »
After a lifetime of delivering "the strongest liberal perspective", on Tuesday Kucinich told the American people to "Wake up", that this isn't an anti-Trump game, but rather an anti-Russian game. He fears that the "Deep State" is fighting Trump in order to ramp up hostilities against Russia.

This <8 min. interview is well worth the listen.

https://mishtalk.com/2017/02/16/kucinich-warns-of-deep-state-defends-trump-tells-america-to-wake-up/

An interesting message from a very liberal democrat.

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Thanks, Terry. Interesting indeed. Who cares about tensions with those Russian commies, as long as Donny Tinyhands is impeached? By any means necessary.
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« Reply #1499 on: February 17, 2017, 05:02:40 PM »
Who cares about tensions with those Russian commies, as long as Donny Tinyhands is impeached? By any means necessary.

While others in this thread believe that Trump will be impeached, I am not one of those posters.  With GOP control of the executive, legislative, and judicial breaches, impeachment of Trump is unlikely.  Instead, just as Russia is now theoretically a 'democracy' while in reality it is a kleptocracy; so America will likely remain a theoretically 'democracy' while rapidly becoming a kleptocracy under the Trump administration (note Trump has already claimed that Mar-a-Lago is the Winter While House).  Further as Trump succeeds, this isolationist alt-right populist trend will accelerate its spread to other countries (like The Netherlands).


See also the linked article entitled: "Why yesterday was Donald Trump’s favorite day as president":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/17/why-thursday-was-donald-trumps-favorite-day-as-president/?utm_term=.d6bd347ef4b8

Edit, see the linked article is entitled: "Geert Wilders Anticipates Patriotic Spring across Continent"

http://www.vdare.com/posts/europe-geert-wilders-anticipates-patriotic-spring-across-continent

See also:

http://www.theprogressnews.com/news/world/ap-interview-dutch-lawmaker-insists-on-de-islamization/article_bf26b466-1678-51a4-9262-8f8b49af7139.html
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https://news.vice.com/story/dutch-politician-geert-wilders-kicks-off-election-campaign-with-anti-immigrant-message
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