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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3400 on: January 14, 2018, 03:16:53 PM »
Like, the Access Hollywood tape October 7, 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape
-- What was the real news on this day??


But heck I am seriously curious if the Pee Pee Tape is a thing :)

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« Reply #3401 on: January 14, 2018, 03:48:24 PM »
Putting all the noise and nonsense aside, Dems now have a +17 leading the generic ballot, suggesting a wave of tsunami like proportions in November.  The Senate is now also in play.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2512


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« Reply #3402 on: January 14, 2018, 11:44:55 PM »
Well I'm certainly relieved by those poll numbers.  ;)

I thought I was actually going to need to donate time or money or ... something. With a 17 point lead we can rest easy knowing Nancy will taking care of donations, then she can hire whatever help she needs with no need for volunteers.

What a relief.  :)

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« Reply #3403 on: January 15, 2018, 04:50:28 AM »
The Polls said Trump would lose. Please make sure you get to vote. The numbers on polls distract the sensible people of the main goal which should be the pervasive acceptance of physics in government. This cannot be done by voting any republican candidate, so the republican party should be dissolved where possible and cast into permanent minority (abt. to the 5% they really represent (the winners of the organized stock market crashes)) elsewhere. I'm really glad I'm not in a position in which I'd have to see them. Their behavior and babble forces decent people to lie in order to keep polite.
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« Reply #3404 on: January 15, 2018, 07:30:09 AM »
An artist has used a projector to beam a display onto a Trump hotel, which features a rude word the President has recently become associated with :

https://www.indy100.com/article/donald-trump-us-president-hotel-washington-projection-robin-bell-viral-video-8158226
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« Reply #3405 on: January 15, 2018, 08:10:39 AM »
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« Reply #3406 on: January 15, 2018, 03:44:50 PM »
Well I'm certainly relieved by those poll numbers.  ;)

I thought I was actually going to need to donate time or money or ... something. With a 17 point lead we can rest easy knowing Nancy will taking care of donations, then she can hire whatever help she needs with no need for volunteers.

What a relief.  :)

Terry

It’s a snapshot of the current environment, and suggests that even more momentum can be harnessed with organization, voter registration and GOTV efforts.

It’s something to build on, but of course the naysayers and cynics will dismiss it.

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« Reply #3407 on: January 15, 2018, 04:34:14 PM »


I wish this forum had a thumbs-up feature now.

Add to this list a fiscal surplus. Instead of national debt, Norway has a sovereign wealth fund.


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« Reply #3408 on: January 15, 2018, 09:23:28 PM »


I wish this forum had a thumbs-up feature now.

Add to this list a fiscal surplus. Instead of national debt, Norway has a sovereign wealth fund.

Norway is a more or less socialist place. Our previous minister of industry (Björn Rosengren) once called it in public "the last soviet state". He got pretty scandalized for that, but in some ways he was right. USA has freedom.

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« Reply #3409 on: January 15, 2018, 09:40:51 PM »
Even " freedom" can be a vice.

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« Reply #3410 on: January 15, 2018, 10:52:34 PM »


I wish this forum had a thumbs-up feature now.

Add to this list a fiscal surplus. Instead of national debt, Norway has a sovereign wealth fund.

some of us proposed several times, many reply posts and following quarrels could be avoided by a simple button of apprciation/accordance or however we wanna call it.

however just using the opportunity to thumbup both while shit hole is a bit rood for a nice and great place that got a bit out of hand lately ;)

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« Reply #3411 on: January 16, 2018, 07:19:43 AM »
Norway is a more or less socialist place. Our previous minister of industry (Björn Rosengren) once called it in public "the last soviet state". He got pretty scandalized for that, but in some ways he was right. USA has freedom.

Which 'freedom' in the USA are you referring too ?
Let's start with the first amendment : freedom of the press.
Here. the 2017 report by Reporters Without Borders (RSF) is just out, and Norway takes 1st place the world :
https://rsf.org/en/ranking

The US holds spot 43, right after Burkina Faso.
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« Reply #3412 on: January 16, 2018, 07:23:55 AM »
however just using the opportunity to thumbup both while shit hole is a bit rood for a nice and great place that got a bit out of hand lately ;)

You are being 'politically correct' while the US president is insulting every freedom and liberty we ever held dear.

Let me try another truth. Maybe you like this better :

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« Reply #3413 on: January 16, 2018, 01:21:54 PM »
Norway is a more or less socialist place. Our previous minister of industry (Björn Rosengren) once called it in public "the last soviet state". He got pretty scandalized for that, but in some ways he was right. USA has freedom.

Which 'freedom' in the USA are you referring too ?
Let's start with the first amendment : freedom of the press.
Here. the 2017 report by Reporters Without Borders (RSF) is just out, and Norway takes 1st place the world :
https://rsf.org/en/ranking

The US holds spot 43, right after Burkina Faso.
All those great things in Norway like free education, free healthcare etc., aren't free at all, that's just leftist propagande. They are paid for by some of the world's highest taxes, as in the rest of Scandinavia. USA has a freedom of choice that you won't have in Norway (or many other European countries)

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« Reply #3414 on: January 16, 2018, 01:42:28 PM »

All those great things in Norway like free education, free healthcare etc., aren't free at all, that's just leftist propagande. They are paid for by some of the world's highest taxes, as in the rest of Scandinavia. USA has a freedom of choice that you won't have in Norway (or many other European countries)


If you agree that living in a healthy, well educated country benefits all of the citizenry, shouldn't the costs then also be shared?
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« Reply #3415 on: January 16, 2018, 03:05:51 PM »
Norway is a more or less socialist place. Our previous minister of industry (Björn Rosengren) once called it in public "the last soviet state". He got pretty scandalized for that, but in some ways he was right. USA has freedom.

Which 'freedom' in the USA are you referring too ?
Let's start with the first amendment : freedom of the press.
Here. the 2017 report by Reporters Without Borders (RSF) is just out, and Norway takes 1st place the world :
https://rsf.org/en/ranking

The US holds spot 43, right after Burkina Faso.
All those great things in Norway like free education, free healthcare etc., aren't free at all, that's just leftist propagande. They are paid for by some of the world's highest taxes, as in the rest of Scandinavia. USA has a freedom of choice that you won't have in Norway (or many other European countries)

I think it's mainly payed by oil and gas. They have a state fund that's worth more than a trillion. The income from that fund is several dozens of billions a year.

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« Reply #3416 on: January 16, 2018, 03:21:38 PM »
Norway: In 2012 the total tax revenue was 42.2% of the gross domestic product (GDP). Many direct and indirect taxes exist. The most important taxes — in terms of revenue — are VAT, income tax in the petroleum sector, employers’ social security contributions and tax on "ordinary income" for persons.

In 2009, the total tax revenue was 41.0% of the gross domestic product (GDP). Of the OECD member countries Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, Italy, France, Finland and Austria had a higher tax level than Norway in 2009. The tax level in Norway has fluctuated between 40 and 45% of GDP since the 1970s.

Sweden has around 43% tax/GDP
USA has around 25 % tax/GDP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Norway

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« Reply #3417 on: January 16, 2018, 03:27:01 PM »

All those great things in Norway like free education, free healthcare etc., aren't free at all, that's just leftist propagande. They are paid for by some of the world's highest taxes, as in the rest of Scandinavia. USA has a freedom of choice that you won't have in Norway (or many other European countries)


If you agree that living in a healthy, well educated country benefits all of the citizenry, shouldn't the costs then also be shared?
Terry

Agreed.
I just thought that the poster that Rob showed us is a rather poor piece of propaganda. Things are paid for. Yes, people in Scandinavia are 'socialists', it's their democratic choice, they like it that way.

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« Reply #3418 on: January 17, 2018, 03:11:10 AM »
I just thought that the poster that Rob showed us is a rather poor piece of propaganda. Things are paid for. Yes, people in Scandinavia are 'socialists', it's their democratic choice, they like it that way.

Socialism (which is really 'democratic socialism' in Scandinavia) seems to work out quite well for them. They all score extremely high on the 'happiness' chard, with Norway number one :
http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2017/

And the US with all its (corporate) freedom ?
From the report :
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Happiness has fallen in America

The USA is a story of reduced happiness. In 2007 the USA ranked 3rd among the OECD countries; in 2016 it came 19th. The reasons are declining social support and increased corruption (see Chapter 7) and it is these same factors that explain why the Nordic countries do so much better.
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« Reply #3419 on: January 17, 2018, 03:53:15 AM »
Sweden has around 43% tax/GDP
USA has around 25 % tax/GDP

If the difference amounts to the 'freedom' you are talking about, I have some news :

- The 25% tax rate you quote above is an average. If you have income from 'labor' you pay a higher rate. If you are rich, and you have income from 'capital' you pay a much lower rate.
There is also a very big difference between the states. Here in California we pay up to 13% state tax on top of federal tax.

- I understand you have universal health care in Sweden. Here in the US we don't. And costs are exploding. Health care insurance for a family here in California is now something like $2500/month. That's $30,000.- / year, thank you very much. If you earn minimum wage, you simply CANNOT AFFORD health insurance here in the US (at least not without Obamacare).
Health care is one area where 'capitalism' doesn't work, because in a free market nobody wants to insure a sick person.

- If you want to go to college here in the US, you are going to pay a lot. You sometimes can get a loan to pay for your education, but interest rates are very high, because the risks for insurers are quite high.
Education is another area where 'capitalism' does not work since nobody wants to lend money to students with a low chance of succeeding.

These are just some examples about your claims of 'freedom' in the US, which in real life do not exist for people that are not rich. And then we are not even talking about 'freedom of the press' where the US scores abysmal as I pointed out above (even below Burkina Faso, one of these "shit hole" countries).

On ALL these issues, the 'democratic socialism' of the Nordic countries beats the US big time, and it has the numbers to show it in terms of happiness of its population.
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« Reply #3420 on: January 17, 2018, 03:58:52 AM »
Norway is definitely not a good example of working socialism. They are not all rich because of socialism. First of all, the country has so many natural resources and oil. They have free market, huge majority of companies have private owners, their economy is largely based on capitalism. The funny part is, since 2013 after a long time (20+years)  their prime minister is a conservative, from Conservative Party, and she was re elected, with conservatives cutting the Labour Party lead to less than 2% in last election cycle.  And I checked it, their ideology is conservatism, economic liberalism, they are for free market, tax cuts, small government etc. To be fair they support welfare state.

And yes, Norway has some socialist laws(policies), which I think aren't good, but that doesn't make them socialist country(it's a mix), or gives a good example how socialism can work.
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« Reply #3421 on: January 17, 2018, 04:54:52 AM »
Cornel West:

"The political triumph of Donald Trump is a symbol and symptom – not cause or origin – of our imperial meltdown. Trump is neither alien nor extraneous to American culture and history. In fact, he is as American as apple pie.
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His triumph flows from the implosion of a Republican party establishment beholden to big money, big military and big scapegoating of vulnerable peoples of color, LGBTQ peoples, immigrants, Muslims, and women.

It also flows from a Democratic party establishment beholden to big money, big military, and the clever deployment of peoples of color, LGBTQ peoples, immigrants, Muslims and women to hide and conceal the lies and crimes of neoliberal policies here and abroad; and from a corporate media establishment that aided and abetted Trump owing to high profits and revenues."


West goes on to make a point that will, no doubt, be loudly contested, that Obama was a necessary, but not sufficient condition for Trump:


"The painful truth is there is no Donald Trump without Barack Obama, no neofascist stirrings without neoliberal policies – all within the imperial zone. Obama was the brilliant black smiling face of the American empire. Trump is the know-nothing white cruel face of the American empire.

Obama did not produce Trump, but his Wall Street–friendly policies helped facilitate Trump’s pseudo-populist victory. Obama’s reluctance to confront race matters in a serious and substantive manner did not cause the ugly white backlash, but Obama’s hesitancy did not help the opposition to white-supremacist practices. "

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/14/america-is-spiritually-bankrupt-we-must-fight-back-together

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« Reply #3422 on: January 17, 2018, 08:51:17 AM »
His triumph flows from the implosion of a Republican party establishment beholden to big money, big military and big scapegoating of vulnerable peoples of color, LGBTQ peoples, immigrants, Muslims, and women.

It also flows from a Democratic party establishment beholden to big money, big military, and the clever deployment of peoples of color, LGBTQ peoples, immigrants, Muslims and women to hide and conceal the lies and crimes of neoliberal policies here and abroad; and from a corporate media establishment that aided and abetted Trump owing to high profits and revenues."

Isn't it ironic then, that Trump is more than Republicans and Democrats combined "beholden to big money, big military", and is "scapegoating of vulnerable peoples of color, LGBTQ peoples, immigrants, Muslims and women to hide and conceal the lies and crimes" of Trump policies here and abroad...

With all the rhetoric from Cornel West about about positive signs from the Movement for Black Lives and Standing Rock, he fails to ask the obvious questions :

Why did we elect a Lying Racist Xenophobic Selfish Bigot that is more extreme than both the Republican and Democratic parties combined ?

And how do we get rid of him ?
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« Reply #3423 on: January 17, 2018, 07:54:11 PM »
I guess if Trump is going to lie about the size of the audience during his inauguration....he may as well lie about his height and weight as well....

Obama is 6'1"....and Mitt Romney is 6'2".....and Trump is "supposedly now 6'3".

Which must make me 7'2"......and make Sarah Huckabee a model.   ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #3424 on: January 18, 2018, 01:22:00 AM »
The Koreas are jinxing Trump's, and Canada's plans for their peninsula.


https://www.rt.com/news/416177-north-south-korea-olympic-team/

The Koreans seem to be most upset by America's insistence on placing the THAAD system in their peninsula. That and the bi-annual joint war games that disrupt both planting and harvest operations.

The Koreans seem able to co-exist, perhaps, after more than half a century, we should give them the opportunity?
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« Reply #3425 on: January 18, 2018, 01:35:19 AM »
The Alt Left always forgets that Hillary Clinton won the lower income demographics, white and black and other.  Trump’s “forgotten men and women” were not impoverished by Wall Street and did not vote for his populism, they voted for his appeals to white supremacy and scapegoating brown people.

But it’s not unreasonable to say that there is no Donald Trump without Obama, much like there was no Obama without W Bush. It was not the Alt Left’s precious conjuring phrase, “neoliberal policy Obama” that created Trump, it was Trump leading the racist birther movement against Obama that gave rise to his political career.


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« Reply #3426 on: January 18, 2018, 05:17:26 AM »
"it was Trump leading the racist birther movement against Obama that gave rise to his political career."

Not quite, he's been flirting with the idea since the 80s, ran in 2000 for Reform party.
I remember that 87 circus.

http://www.tvguide.com/news/donald-trump-presidential-campaign-timeline/

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« Reply #3427 on: January 18, 2018, 09:41:25 AM »
Sidd, if it was not the " racist birther movement against Obama "(which pileus suggests) that gave rise to Trump's political career, and neither was it the "Republican/Democrat party establishment beholden to big money, big military and big scapegoating of vulnerable peoples of color, LGBTQ peoples, immigrants, Muslims, and women" (which Cornel West suggests but since Trump is even more so is doesn't make sense) then WHY did the US elect a Lying Racist Xenophobic Selfish Bigot that is more extreme than both the Republican and Democratic parties combined ?
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« Reply #3428 on: January 18, 2018, 12:45:37 PM »
March 13th special election for a US House seat in Pennsylvania is the next "test" for Moron Don.  This is a district that has been Republican for 16 years....and Donnie carried by almost 20 points.

Now....the race is a "single digits" race.  Donnie is going to be campaigning there.....because he really has no choice.  Donnie HAS to hold on to the US House....or his "Tearing Apart America" program will be slowed down.  He'll still have his executive orders....which will be unwound with the next Democratic president....but he won't have any lasting legislative actions.

Like Alabama....I don't EXPECT the Democrats to win this seat....but I was wrong about the Alabama senate race....and when the polls get into the single digits....anything CAN happen.

There is significant risk for Donnie....because if he loses yet another race that should be an easy Republican "layup".....that will weaken his support from Republicans.  The last thing he wants is a part of Congress to fall into Democratic hands.  Think the committees looking into RussiaGate would be run differently in either the House or the Senate if they were under Democratic control?  Remember....THIS IS A PROCESS and this process takes TIME....

March 13th...mark it on your calendar.  Your turn Pennsylvania..... :)
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« Reply #3429 on: January 18, 2018, 04:02:37 PM »
Although Moron Don....and Lying Sarah Huckabee would have you think otherwise....people around the world think FAR LESS OF THE US UNDER DONALD TRUMP.

Damn those pesky facts.  Although they DO seem to be out of the reach of fake Christian Sarah....they are easily within reach of those with internet access:

https://shareblue.com/global-approval-of-american-leadership-plunges-18-points-under-trump/

Not surprising....that Britain DOESN'T want Donnie on their soil.  Again...a big thumbs up to the Brits.

It will be interesting to see if other democratic countries around the world...especially in Europe.....will continue to shun Donnie.  I will be watching France, Germany, Canada and others.  I think they now understand that the right thing to do is NOT to kowtow to Donnie....but to raise roadblocks to him.  I will especially be watching France (I was disappointed in Macron early on when he invited Donnie to visit).

https://shareblue.com/global-approval-of-american-leadership-plunges-18-points-under-trump/ 
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« Reply #3430 on: January 18, 2018, 04:12:31 PM »
I think Lyndsey Vonn or Adam Rippon would be good choices to carry the US flag at the upcoming Olympics (opening and closing ceremonies).

After all.....we want to make lying Mikey as comfortable as possible....

http://washingtonpress.com/2018/01/17/mike-pence-will-lead-us-olympic-delegation-gay-athletes-response-everything/
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« Reply #3431 on: January 18, 2018, 07:22:04 PM »
I think Lyndsey Vonn or Adam Rippon would be good choices to carry the US flag at the upcoming Olympics (opening and closing ceremonies).

After all.....we want to make lying Mikey as comfortable as possible....

http://washingtonpress.com/2018/01/17/mike-pence-will-lead-us-olympic-delegation-gay-athletes-response-everything/


I think watching North and South Korea marching together during the opening ceremonies will be the highlight of the games. :)
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« Reply #3432 on: January 18, 2018, 08:32:01 PM »
"Why did the USA elect Donald Trump ?"

Well before the election a similar queston was asked, here is my reply:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1607.msg83746.html#msg83746

For similar reaction in primate studies, see Brosnan et al.

doi:10.1038/nature01963
doi:10.1016/j.anbehav.2010.02.019

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« Reply #3433 on: January 18, 2018, 09:14:21 PM »
And who is going to pay for the wall.......?
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« Reply #3434 on: January 18, 2018, 09:37:35 PM »
"Why did the USA elect Donald Trump ?"

Well before the election a similar queston was asked, here is my reply:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1607.msg83746.html#msg83746

You really nailed it back then, sidd. I'm amazed that people just don't see it. Here's to hoping enough will, and not too late (if it isn't already).

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3435 on: January 18, 2018, 10:09:27 PM »
"Why did the USA elect Donald Trump ?"

Well before the election a similar queston was asked, here is my reply:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1607.msg83746.html#msg83746

You really nailed it back then, sidd. I'm amazed that people just don't see it. Here's to hoping enough will, and not too late (if it isn't already).

With the illegal surveillance by American intelligence agencies becoming more and more formalized - with no general outcry whatsoever -, I wonder if blogging about AGW and espousing my views on the causes of it on this Forum were wise things to do.
First Kudo's to sidd.


I'm an advocate for keeping politics "below the line", if only to have an easily shed segment that won't disrupt the scientific side, should that ever be required.


The large forum that had discussed Ukrainian matters before being scrubbed from the internet wasn't the result of my fetid imagination. I won't mention the name because I assume they may still be vacuuming the internet and noting whenever and wherever it's mentioned.


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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3436 on: January 19, 2018, 02:47:43 AM »
"it was Trump leading the racist birther movement against Obama that gave rise to his political career."

Not quite, he's been flirting with the idea since the 80s, ran in 2000 for Reform party.
I remember that 87 circus.

http://www.tvguide.com/news/donald-trump-presidential-campaign-timeline/

sidd

Trump’s previous statements about the presidency and ham handed forays into politics prior to the 2016 cycle are irrelevant.

Without the birther movement and the energy it harnessed for him on Twitter and Fox News, he would have been a non entity in 2016.

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3437 on: January 19, 2018, 03:00:35 AM »
"Why did the USA elect Donald Trump ?"

Well before the election a similar queston was asked, here is my reply:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1607.msg83746.html#msg83746

For similar reaction in primate studies, see Brosnan et al.

doi:10.1038/nature01963
doi:10.1016/j.anbehav.2010.02.019

sidd

You wrote:

“Fora a long time now a large number of people have been getting screwed.They see the 1% get most benefit, while they struggle to survive. They know another Clinton will mean more of the same screwing. They are done with the status quo. They would rather flip the table and burn it all down.”

You were off target then, and you are off target now.

Trump’s populism was always fake, and everything he does caters to the 1% and the gilded elite.  His populist rhetoric and bashing of Dems/liberals is just sound and fury.  He and his GOP sycophants are pulling the existential rug from under those folks you claim we’re tired of getting screwed by the Dems.

Hillary Clinton handily won the lowest income demographics. 

And, actual research shows your claims to be unsupported.  Trump was always and is forever about racial resentment.

The past year of research has made it very clear: Trump won because of racial resentment.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3438 on: January 19, 2018, 06:10:39 AM »
Re: racism in 2016 presidential election

One piece of evidence against racism as dominant factor is the vote switch from Obama voters to Trump voters. I find it hard to believe that eight years of Obama made all these people hate those with extra melanin. I seem to recall that both candidates in 2016 were melanin challenged, one wanted to build a wall to keep out the melanin endowed, while the other historically preferred to blow them up in their homes. Although the former has leant well and uppde the pace of bombing, although not yet attacking any new melanin rich lands.

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3439 on: January 19, 2018, 12:57:12 PM »
Who else has Trump paid-off through the decades:

Title: "Trump Lawyer Used Private Company, Pseudonyms to Pay Porn Star ‘Stormy Daniels’ "

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-lawyer-used-private-company-pseudonyms-to-pay-porn-star-stormy-daniels-1516315731

Extract: "President Donald Trump’s lawyer used a private Delaware company to pay a former adult-film star $130,000 in return for her agreeing to not publicly discuss an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump, according to corporate records and people familiar with the matter."
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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3440 on: January 19, 2018, 04:11:42 PM »
Who else has Trump paid-off through the decades:

Title: "Trump Lawyer Used Private Company, Pseudonyms to Pay Porn Star ‘Stormy Daniels’ "

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-lawyer-used-private-company-pseudonyms-to-pay-porn-star-stormy-daniels-1516315731

Extract: "President Donald Trump’s lawyer used a private Delaware company to pay a former adult-film star $130,000 in return for her agreeing to not publicly discuss an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump, according to corporate records and people familiar with the matter."

Personally, I'm not concerned about how many prostitutes and porn stars he's cavorted with, nor how much he paid to get their silence.
However, in the context of trying to win an election, such payoffs would be illegal campaign contributions, if provided by a third party.  The National Enquirer seems to have made exactly such illegal contribution:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/17/16901602/trump-stormy-daniels-hush-money-scandal-porn
"The other woman Trump allegedly paid off is 1998 Playboy Playmate of the Year Karen McDougal. In November 2016, before the election, the Wall Street Journal reported that the National Enquirer sat on a story about Trump having an affair with McDougal in 2006, despite the Enquirer paying McDougal $150,000 for it. The Enquirer is famously pro-Trump, providing a possible motive for burying the story"

If Trump requested they buy and then sit on the story, then Trump would be guilty of conspiracy to violate election laws.  Again.

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3441 on: January 19, 2018, 07:30:51 PM »
Sleazy no doubt Steve, but if this all occurred prior to the election cycle, as your post indicates, then no laws were broken, right?
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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3442 on: January 19, 2018, 10:20:56 PM »
Sleazy no doubt Steve, but if this all occurred prior to the election cycle, as your post indicates, then no laws were broken, right?
Terry

I believe payment was shortly before election day.  Rachel Maddow's been following this angle closely.  You can catch her by web 9PM ET at:
www.livenewschat.eu/politics/ 

or audio-only at:
http://stevekraft.com/Radio/index.html

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3443 on: January 20, 2018, 01:03:03 AM »
I'm sorry Steve, but, as explained on another thread I don't avail myself of TV news.


How would a candidate protect himself from charges that a third party had not printed salacious material about him?


Is the other candidate guilty of accepting "illegal campaign contributions" whenever a third party from the Fourth Estate does print something nasty about their opposition?


Doesn't freedom of the press also allow freedom to eschew the press?


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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3444 on: January 20, 2018, 01:13:15 AM »
I'm sorry Steve, but, as explained on another thread I don't avail myself of TV news.

How would a candidate protect himself from charges that a third party had not printed salacious material about him?

Is the other candidate guilty of accepting "illegal campaign contributions" whenever a third party from the Fourth Estate does print something nasty about their opposition?

Doesn't freedom of the press also allow freedom to eschew the press?

Terry

Good questions!  But I think it's fairly straightforward.  If Trump wasn't involved in the purchase-and-quash process, he can't be held responsible.  But I think the National Enquirer could still be on the hook for an illegal contribution.

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3445 on: January 20, 2018, 01:44:26 AM »

Good questions!  But I think it's fairly straightforward.  If Trump wasn't involved in the purchase-and-quash process, he can't be held responsible.  But I think the National Enquirer could still be on the hook for an illegal contribution.


Should the old Washington Post have been "on the hook" for printing, or not printing Woodward and Bernstein's contributions?


I just really have difficulties WRT infringing on free speech, and free speech has to include the right to stand mute.


If Ms. Maddow attacked Candidate Trump that was her right. Should she have decided not to attack Candidate Trump, that was also her right.
As a matter of self preservation she should not be advocating that these rights be taken away from others lest she herself falls victim at some time.


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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3446 on: January 20, 2018, 06:18:52 AM »
Neven wrote:

"With the illegal surveillance by American intelligence agencies becoming more and more formalized - with no general outcry whatsoever -, I wonder if blogging about AGW and espousing my views on the causes of it on this Forum were wise things to do."

I have replied to this on the Backup thread.

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3447 on: January 20, 2018, 08:44:35 AM »
Trumpistan Intelligence Prime Service (TIPS) public announcement:"As we now have shut the former government down according to master plan, which is to replace your local friendly nigger-shooting cops with cops with proper mafia and hooker connections (yeah yeah, some shooting may continue) , it's time to direct our information gathering outside Trumpistan. Has anybody any idea where is this Slovakistan, where this Guy Neven lives? We've not found this location anywhere in the world. Any tips? Anyone?"
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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3448 on: January 20, 2018, 10:00:20 AM »
Some interesting charts indicating the loss of American influence world wide since Trump's Presidency.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/225761/world-approval-leadership-drops-new-low.aspx?g_source=World&g_medium=lead&g_campaign=tiles

Trend: Global Approval of U.S. Leadership

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #3449 on: January 20, 2018, 02:34:57 PM »
Now, apparently, Trump wants to outlaw natural birth in the ninth month of pregnancy:

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“Right now, in a number of states, the laws allow a baby to be born from his or her mother’s womb in the ninth month,” Trump said. “It is wrong. It has to change.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-flubs-anti-abortion-speech_us_5a627b15e4b002283002c6c0?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

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