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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1200 on: April 13, 2018, 11:44:53 PM »
The problem is to keep the scoundrels honest after you elect them. I propose a vote after the electee's term expires. The ballot would contain a series of options ranging from

a) leaving the candidate free and in possession of worldly goods

through

z) life in supermax without parole and forfeiture of all assets.

Let the the electorate who suffered through or rejoiced in the term in office decide his fate.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1201 on: April 14, 2018, 02:57:03 PM »
Tulsi in 2020. - Bernie for VP
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No. Please god no.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1202 on: April 14, 2018, 04:38:32 PM »
Tulsi in 2020. - Bernie for VP
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No. Please god no.

Stormy Daniels for President
At least we'd know all her positions.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1203 on: April 15, 2018, 09:21:21 PM »
She's baaack ! DNC can't let her go ...

"Hillary Clinton Will Headline A Major DNC Fundraiser "

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/hillary-clinton-dnc-fundraiser

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1204 on: April 15, 2018, 09:24:57 PM »
Shift left or lose:

"For both the minimum wage and Medicare for all, we were able to compare our estimates to actual Senate legislation ...  Seventy-six percent of Democratic senators represent states where modeled support for a $15 minimum wage is greater than 55 percent. But only 61 percent of those senators support a $15 minimum wage. Sixty-seven percent of Democrats in the Senate represent states where modeled support for Medicare for all is greater than 55 percent, but only 33 percent of Senate Democrats support Medicare for all. Despite the fact that 86 percent of Democratic senators represent states with 55 percent support for repealing the Hyde Amendment, we couldn’t find any Senate legislation that has been introduced to repeal Hyde. And despite the fact that every Democratic senator represents a state where support for regulating CO2 is 55 percent or greater, only five senators currently support transitioning to 100 percent renewable energy by 2050. Finally, though every Democratic senator represents a state where support for ending mandatory minimums for nonviolent crimes is 55 percent or greater, the only legislation on the issue is a bipartisan bill that only slightly curbs mandatory minimums. "

"We find similar patterns in the House: 92 percent of Democrats in the House represent districts where modeled support for repealing the Hyde Amendment is greater than 55 percent, but only 70 percent of House Democrats support repealing the Hyde Amendment."

" If Democrats don’t go to where the base is sooner or later, the Democratic Party won’t find a new constituency—the constituency will find some new politicians. "

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjppaa/if-democrats-listened-to-their-voters-theyd-be-moving-left

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1205 on: April 15, 2018, 09:30:27 PM »
Cuomo splits unions, Nixon gets  Working Families Party endorsement:

“It isn’t enough to say you care about your desire for an Albany free of corruption and then vote for corruption,”

 “It isn’t enough to run like a progressive and move like a neoliberal.”

"We have had it with corporate Democrats who have been unwilling to lift a finger unless their real estate and Wall Street donors say that it’s okay.”

"If Cuomo “were a Republican and doing exactly the same things,” Nixon told me afterward, “people would have mobilized against him a long time ago. He’s very canny in how he plays both sides of the aisle.” "

https://theintercept.com/2018/04/14/andrew-cuomo-sees-whats-coming-he-doesnt-know-whether-to-run-join-it-or-destroy-it/

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1206 on: April 18, 2018, 01:14:46 AM »
Kaine. Coons. Nelson. Proud Democratic sponsors of war without end, amen.

"President Donald Trump would get broad authority to use force against terrorist groups, with no expiration date, under a new bipartisan proposal ...The proposed bill would cover all terrorist groups the U.S. is currently fighting, and it would not restrict the president from taking immediate action against enemies in other global hot spots."

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2018/04/17/us-senators-introduce-new-check-on-presidential-war-powers/

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« Reply #1207 on: April 18, 2018, 01:43:28 AM »
Kaine. Coons. Nelson. Proud Democratic sponsors of war without end, amen.

"President Donald Trump would get broad authority to use force against terrorist groups, with no expiration date, under a new bipartisan proposal ...The proposed bill would cover all terrorist groups the U.S. is currently fighting, and it would not restrict the president from taking immediate action against enemies in other global hot spots."

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2018/04/17/us-senators-introduce-new-check-on-presidential-war-powers/

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How to define a terrorist group:


Is there more than one - check
Have they killed babies - check
Do they scare people - check
Do they lie & cheat - check


FBI, We're coming for YOU
signed - The Donald

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1208 on: April 18, 2018, 01:53:09 AM »
Kaine. Coons. Nelson. Proud Democratic sponsors of war without end, amen.

"President Donald Trump would get broad authority to use force against terrorist groups, with no expiration date, under a new bipartisan proposal ...The proposed bill would cover all terrorist groups the U.S. is currently fighting, and it would not restrict the president from taking immediate action against enemies in other global hot spots."

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2018/04/17/us-senators-introduce-new-check-on-presidential-war-powers/

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How to define a terrorist group:


Is there more than one - check
Have they killed babies - check
Do they scare people - check
Do they lie & cheat - check


FBI, We're coming for YOU
signed - The Donald

Rand Paul comments AUMF - an authorization for the use of military force, new legislation



also He Says Syrian Gas Attack Was False Flag, or Assad is Dumbest Dictator on the Planet.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1209 on: April 18, 2018, 02:38:42 AM »
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Did the Wolfman seem shocked?


Lions are sleeping with lambs!
It's still snowing in Cambridge!
Republicans are questioning a war!

The center can not hold
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« Reply #1210 on: April 18, 2018, 03:10:41 AM »
TerryM
Blitzer (blitze == lightning on german?) blinks a lot, other then that I don't know.
btw: notice Rand's eyes roll at 2:39 after Wolfman's 'brilliant' addition to his conclusion.

I'm more worried about BBC reporter (Steven? something), did he get some long lasting ticks?

Edit: Ah, that awfully bad 'journalist' is, I think, Stephen Sackur (BBC).
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1211 on: April 18, 2018, 06:32:12 AM »
Republicans are questioning a war!
Rand Paul leans libertarian and has always been non-interventionist.  This view is not surprising at all.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1212 on: April 19, 2018, 03:13:39 PM »
An interesting, short article in The Guardian, called Don’t be fooled by Emmanuel Macron the ‘moderate’, on how neoliberalism is firmly in the driver's seat in France. Final paragraphs:

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Macron offers no future for France, let alone any other western society. There is hope, however. For years after François Hollande betrayed his 2012 election pledge to break with austerity, the French left was in the doldrums. Polls showed that the far right was strongest among the disillusioned, insecure younger generation. The rise of radical left politician Mélenchon changed that: he won nearly a fifth of the vote in the first round of the presidential election, partly by prising some of the disaffected from the jaws of the far right.

Macron is presented as an oasis of moderation, a bulwark against the extremes. But there is nothing moderate about slashing taxes on the wealthy, attacking workers’ rights or demonising refugees. He represents a doubling down on an economic model that bred mass insecurity and proved an essential ingredient in the revival of French fascism.

It is the same across the west. An unjust economic model long defended by parties of the centre right and centre left – one that brought an economic crash that led to austerity and attacks on living standards – is squarely responsible for the polarisation of politics. If the left fails to provide an inspiring, coherent alternative, it will be the radical right that will triumph.


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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1213 on: April 19, 2018, 10:52:07 PM »
Here's a segment they plan on doing more often on The Real News Network:



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Across the country, progressive activists are waging a fight on two fronts, against Trump and the far right and the policies of this administration, but also inside the Democratic Party against what Bernie Sanders calls the oligarchs, the section at least that controls the Democratic Party. Some people call them corporate Democrats. How do they balance this fight. Some people say that fighting against Democrats of any shape or size or color at this point in the campaign weakens the fight against Trump. On the other hand, some of the leading activists say the fight does need to be waged. In fact, they suggest that if the fight against corporate Democrats isn't successful the fight against Trump won't be successful. Here's Nina Turner at a recent event at the Real News Network.

NINA TURNER: Sisters and brothers, again, this is not just , see, folks want us to fixate so much, overly so, on the man in the White House. He makes it hard for us not to pay attention to what he's doing. I'm not saying ignore what he's doing. I'm not saying that we shouldn't bump up or get some resistance, fight what he's doing. But what are we going to do once we're done resisting? What are we going to replace him with in 2020? Because I say that any old blue just won't do.
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« Reply #1214 on: April 20, 2018, 12:39:11 AM »
Democrat luminaries Coons and Rice want war without end.

Coons: "It’s important for us to remain engaged in Syria."

"Rice categorically opposes any withdrawal of American troops. She calls for the Trump administration to indefinitely maintain its occupation of roughly a third of Syrian territory along the country’s northern and eastern borders with Turkey and Iraq—a region that includes the country’s petroleum resources"

At least Coons can be unelected, perhaps. Something tells me that Rice will continue slithering into Democratic positions of power, sorta like Albright.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/04/19/syri-a19.html

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1215 on: April 24, 2018, 12:23:15 AM »
Any thoughts here on the DNC lawsuit against Wikileaks? To me it doesn't only look preposterous, but dangerous as well.

The Intercept:

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The DNC’S Lawsuit Against WikiLeaks Poses a Serious Threat to Press Freedom

The DNC’s suit, as it pertains to WikiLeaks, poses a grave threat to press freedom. The theory of the suit — that WikiLeaks is liable for damages it caused when it “willfully and intentionally disclosed” the DNC’s communications (paragraph 183) — would mean that any media outlet that publishes misappropriated documents or emails (exactly what media outlets quite often do) could be sued by the entity or person about which they are reporting, or even theoretically prosecuted for it, or that any media outlet releasing an internal campaign memo is guilty of “economic espionage” (paragraph 170):

(...)

MEDIA FIGURES HAVE constantly sounded the alarm about threats to press freedom each time Donald Trump posts an insulting tweet about various media personalities. But the DNC’s lawsuit — just like the attempts of the Obama and Trump DOJs to criminalize and prosecute whistleblowing under the Espionage Act — is an actual grave threat to those press freedoms.

What the DNC is counting on is that contempt for WikiLeaks and Julian Assange is so intense in official Washington that it will drown out the obvious menace this lawsuit poses to basic press freedom, or that journalists will be afraid to object out of fear that it will look like they are siding with a despised-in-Washington organization that has been accused by Trump CIA officials (without evidence) of being “a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia.”

But just as one should object to torture and the denial of due process for Guantánamo detainees — even if some of the people detained there are actually terrorists who have killed people — one’s personal feelings about Assange and WikiLeaks should be totally irrelevant to recognizing and sounding the alarm about how dangerous the DNC’s legal theory is.

(...)

No media outlet can function, indeed journalism cannot function, if it becomes illegal to publish secret materials taken by a source without authorization or even illegally. The Obama DOJ — which was not exactly a bastion of press freedom protection, and which despised Assange as much as anyone — wisely recognized this fact, when it decided that it could not prosecute WikiLeaks for publishing stolen materials without severely endangering press freedoms.

The DNC, unfortunately, is not nearly as wise — nor nearly as worried — about destroying press freedom in the U.S. The theory it embraced today to sue WikiLeaks for publishing documents is a far more serious menace than any of Donald Trump’s insulting tweets about Chuck Todd. It deserves condemnation and scorn by anyone who actually cares about press freedom.

The DNC in its current form is a danger to the American people.
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« Reply #1216 on: April 24, 2018, 12:34:29 AM »
I posted something on the  DNC lawsuit in another thread.

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1748.msg151541.html#msg151541

That has links to some articles at techdirt and litigationandtrial.com with other analysis. Greenwald has

https://theintercept.com/2018/04/20/the-dncs-lawsuit-against-wikileaks-poses-a-serious-threat-to-press-freedom/

The techdirt article points out that the DNC wants to use DMCA as well as CFAA, but that they have a better chance with CFAA. Greenwald excoriates DNC for attacking the press, and points out even the DOJ hesitated to go after wikileaks for the iraq files.

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« Reply #1217 on: April 24, 2018, 08:53:46 AM »
Apparently there is another book out about the star crossed Clinton 2016 campaign. Among a lot of gossip, the point that stood out was the refusal by the new! big data! whiz kid!  Robby Mook to listen to Bill.

" “But [Mook] mostly saw in the former president a relic, a brilliant tactician of a bygone era.

“Behind his back, Robby did a Bill impersonation (‘And let me tell you another thing about the white working class …’) waving a finger in a Clintonian motion.” "

“By late February,” she writes, “Bill went red in the face on almost daily conference calls trying to warn Brooklyn that Trump had a shrewd understanding of the angst that so many voters – his voters, the white working class whom Clinton brought back to the Democratic party in 1992 – were feeling.” "

Bill saw it coming. They didn't listen.

The 2016 campaign will be studied for a long time as an expose of the corruption, bankruptcy and failure of both major parties.  You can fool some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time, and that's usually enuf. Until it isn't.

The two parties got soft and lazy in mutual conspiracy and never dreamt that a huckster like Trump would yank the carpet out, coz not enuf voters believed their lies anymore. So sad.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/24/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-amy-chozick-chasing-hillary-book

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« Reply #1218 on: April 24, 2018, 10:19:36 PM »
Bernie gets it. Bypass the corporate media.

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“My point of view is a very, very different one. My point of view is the corporate media, by definition, is owned by large multinational corporations: their bottom line is to make as much money as they can. They are part of the Establishment. There are issues, there are conflicts of interest in terms of fossil fuel advertising — how they have been very, very weak, in terms of climate change.” Needless to say, the content he produces is not sponsored by advertisers.
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“The idea that we can do a town meeting which would get a significantly larger viewing audience than CNN at that time is something I would not have dreamed of in a million years, a few years ago,”
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« Reply #1219 on: April 25, 2018, 01:07:51 AM »
Bernie gets it. Bypass the corporate media.

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“My point of view is a very, very different one. My point of view is the corporate media, by definition, is owned by large multinational corporations: their bottom line is to make as much money as they can. They are part of the Establishment. There are issues, there are conflicts of interest in terms of fossil fuel advertising — how they have been very, very weak, in terms of climate change.” Needless to say, the content he produces is not sponsored by advertisers.
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“The idea that we can do a town meeting which would get a significantly larger viewing audience than CNN at that time is something I would not have dreamed of in a million years, a few years ago,”
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Bernie does not get it. Victory is impossible without corporate media support. That is why Bernie lost. LOL

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« Reply #1220 on: April 25, 2018, 04:03:23 AM »
" Victory is impossible without corporate media support"

we shall see.

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« Reply #1221 on: April 25, 2018, 06:27:07 PM »
Bernie gets it. Bypass the corporate media.

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“My point of view is a very, very different one. My point of view is the corporate media, by definition, is owned by large multinational corporations: their bottom line is to make as much money as they can. They are part of the Establishment. There are issues, there are conflicts of interest in terms of fossil fuel advertising — how they have been very, very weak, in terms of climate change.” Needless to say, the content he produces is not sponsored by advertisers.
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“The idea that we can do a town meeting which would get a significantly larger viewing audience than CNN at that time is something I would not have dreamed of in a million years, a few years ago,”
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Bernie does not get it. Victory is impossible without corporate media support. That is why Bernie lost. LOL

even though it can look as you suggest for a long long time, ultimately you're theory is wrong.

victory is possible against any kind of power and institution once a critical mass (of people) has been reached with a specific goal in mind.

it "could" even happen that corporate media will become one part of the establishment that will be overthrown like once it not only were kings and emperors but also lords and other nobles that were once part of the ruling class and/or played into their hands that were eradicated or outsted once that critical mass has been reached.

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« Reply #1222 on: April 25, 2018, 10:32:53 PM »
Solomon rips the DNC lawsuits:

"It would be a much steeper uphill challenge to actually champion the interests of most Americans—which would require taking on Wall Street, a key patron of both major political parties."

"With eyes on the prizes from corporate largesse, DNC officials don’t see downsides to whacking at WikiLeaks and undermining press freedom in the process."

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/why-the-dnc-is-fighting-wikileaks-and-not-wall-street/

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« Reply #1223 on: April 26, 2018, 07:52:59 AM »
According to five thirty eight the Democratic "wave", has been reduced from a lead of 12.9% at the end of last year to 6.9% today.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/?ex_cid=irpromo


With the Gerrymandering now in place for the 2018 contest this leaves many seats "up for grabs".

We need to win back a large number of the 1,000 seats we've lost in the recent elections, or the 2020 election will be difficult for us because of the additional Gerrymandering that the 2020 census will allow.

The Trump - Russian Collusion story may be playing well among the Democratic faithful, but not focusing on healthcare and good wages may cause many that aren't particularly interested in how Hillary lost in 2016 to sit this election out.

This should be an election we can win big without even trying, but let's not put that to a test.
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1224 on: April 26, 2018, 09:08:43 AM »
http://inthesetimes.com/article/21072/senate_democrats_Donald_Trump_Syria_airstrikes_war_Chuck_Schumer
"Ninety-two percent of Senate Democrats and Independents failed to substantively dissent against Trump’s April 13 airstrikes."
"Just four out of 49 Democratic and Independent senators have expressed principled opposition to Trump’s bombing campaign: Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Edward Markey (D-Mass.), Christopher Murphy (D-Conn.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)."

https://www.thecanary.co/us/us-analysis/2018/04/19/conservative-democrats-could-be-about-to-make-a-warmonger-americas-chief-diplomat/
"At this point, it’s fair to ask what some Democrats won’t tolerate when it comes to aggressive foreign policy. More than a dozen of them were willing to put a torture apologist and warhawk in charge at the CIA. Now, he appears poised to take over as the nation’s top diplomat.

Could a vote against Pompeo prove to be an election-year problem for Dems facing challenges from the right? Of course. But in the end, Democratic senators will have to ask themselves whether their jobs are more important than peace.

Unfortunately for lovers of peace everywhere, it’s unclear how committed those same senators are to peace in the first place.
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1226 on: April 26, 2018, 10:02:02 PM »
Good last paragraph in the Politico article:

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"Steny Hoyer and his corporate cronies already lost," PCCC co-founder Stephanie Taylor said in a statement. "They don't represent the future, and it's time for them to step aside and make room for a new generation of leadership -- one that inspires and motivates the base instead of depressing it."

She could have included Pelosi in that sentence. Doesn't represent the future, time to step aside, make room for new generation, stop depressing the base.

Video, or audio in the video, pretty good (and disgusting) too:



I'd like to urge everyone to read the Intercept article, as it's exactly what this thread is about. After reading the first paragraphs things seems pretty bad, but it gets progressively worse, all the way to the end.

So, the DNC is suing journalism, and the DCCC is doing everything it can to keep progressives out of the democratic process. Way to go...
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« Reply #1227 on: April 26, 2018, 11:09:10 PM »
Good last paragraph in the Politico article:

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"Steny Hoyer and his corporate cronies already lost," PCCC co-founder Stephanie Taylor said in a statement. "They don't represent the future, and it's time for them to step aside and make room for a new generation of leadership -- one that inspires and motivates the base instead of depressing it."

She could have included Pelosi in that sentence. Doesn't represent the future, time to step aside, make room for new generation, stop depressing the base.

Video, or audio in the video, pretty good (and disgusting) too:



I'd like to urge everyone to read the Intercept article, as it's exactly what this thread is about. After reading the first paragraphs things seems pretty bad, but it gets progressively worse, all the way to the end.

So, the DNC is suing journalism, and the DCCC is doing everything it can to keep progressives out of the democratic process. Way to go...

Thumbs Up for the people fighting corruption.


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« Reply #1228 on: April 27, 2018, 12:09:48 AM »
It almost appears as though the DCCC and the DNC are purposefully trying to throw the next election to their Republican brothers in arms.


They saved us from Hillary - but gave us Trump instead of Bernie.


Thanks for nothing
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« Reply #1229 on: April 27, 2018, 01:30:05 AM »
Right on cue, DNC begging letter arrived. Pink insert this time.

Sorry, DNC. Clean up your act first. For the next few years you can expect everything to go directly to specific candidates, and then only under the assurance that that DNC/presidential candidate/consulting sluts ain't sucking the money right out like they did in 2016.

I wonder if several years is long enuf to get off their mailing list ? Probably not.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1230 on: April 27, 2018, 08:59:16 PM »
Draitser on  spook Democratic candidates and their ties to other warmongers:

NY 19 Beals: CIA, Exxon, campaign manager tied to Honduran coup
NY 19 Ryan: Army Intelligence, Palantir, HB Gary,Dataminr

MI-8 Slotkin, CIA
TX-23 Jones, USAF intelligence
VA-7 Spanberger CIA
MD-1 Colvin Army Intelligence
Pa-5 Chauncey CIA

"And a significant number of this rogue’s gallery are posturing as “progressives” in the Bernie Sanders tradition"

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/04/27/how-clintonites-are-manufacturing-faux-progressive-congressional-campaigns/

he refers to the three  part Martin series at wsws:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/07/dems-m07.html  et seq.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1231 on: April 27, 2018, 10:05:40 PM »
Could someone please defend the DNC lawsuit and explain why it's a really smart move politically? Here's a video to get the kneejerk juices flowing:

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« Reply #1232 on: April 27, 2018, 10:31:48 PM »
Could someone please defend the DNC lawsuit and explain why it's a really smart move politically? Here's a video to get the kneejerk juices flowing:

When it comes to understanding the implications of a given lawsuit, you might want to read the words of folks with actual legal expertise, rather than an ax-grinding, repetitive hack:

The D.N.C.’s Lawsuit Against Russia and the Trump Campaign Isn’t a Bad Idea
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-dncs-lawsuit-against-russia-and-the-trump-campaign-isnt-a-bad-idea

The lawsuit isn't a "PR stunt" at all.  It's a powerful mechanism to bring sunlight into some very murky and corrupt shadows.

I do agree, though, that suing WikiLeaks is ill-advised.  They should be recognized as enjoying freedom of the press under the first amendment.

The lawsuit doesn't detract from any Progressive agenda, it adds to it.

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« Reply #1233 on: April 27, 2018, 11:48:20 PM »
Just for the record, I believe that a strong case can be made that media bias contributed to Hillary's defeat:

Title: "“Reporters Would Just Scream at Her About Emails”"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/amy-chozick-on-how-much-the-media-is-to-blame-for-hillarys-defeat.html

Extract: "A New York Times campaign reporter on how much the media is to blame for Hillary’s defeat.

To turn to 2016, when you were covering her campaign for the Times: You had a piece ready to go if Hillary had won, and you quote from it in the book, writing, “No one in modern politics, male or female, has had to withstand more indignities, setbacks and cynicism. She developed protective armor that made the real Hillary Clinton an enigma. But if she was guarded about her feelings and opinions, she believed it was in careful pursuit of a dream for generations of Americans: the election of the country’s first woman president.” This is written to suggest that what made her enigmatic, and what in turn led to her being such a flawed candidate, was the fact that she had been so mistreated over many years. Do you think that was the case?

Yeah, all of the scandals and meshugas that surrounded the Clintons for decades I think added to her building up a lot of protective scar tissue that in turn made her into an enigma and made her even more reluctant to kind of share the authentic parts of herself."
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1234 on: April 28, 2018, 12:39:25 AM »
And they're even more to blame for Bernie's defeat, mostly just by ignoring him.

To paraphrase William Randolph Hearst, disastrous presidents sell papers (and air time...)...
"A force de chercher de bonnes raisons, on en trouve; on les dit; et après on y tient, non pas tant parce qu'elles sont bonnes que pour ne pas se démentir." Choderlos de Laclos "You struggle to come up with some valid reasons, then cling to them, not because they're good, but just to not back down."

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« Reply #1235 on: April 28, 2018, 02:53:21 AM »
Could someone please defend the DNC lawsuit and explain why it's a really smart move politically? Here's a video to get the kneejerk juices flowing:

When it comes to understanding the implications of a given lawsuit, you might want to read the words of folks with actual legal expertise, rather than an ax-grinding, repetitive hack:

The D.N.C.’s Lawsuit Against Russia and the Trump Campaign Isn’t a Bad Idea
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-dncs-lawsuit-against-russia-and-the-trump-campaign-isnt-a-bad-idea

The lawsuit isn't a "PR stunt" at all.  It's a powerful mechanism to bring sunlight into some very murky and corrupt shadows.

I do agree, though, that suing WikiLeaks is ill-advised.  They should be recognized as enjoying freedom of the press under the first amendment.

The lawsuit doesn't detract from any Progressive agenda, it adds to it.

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Steve, have you ever met a lawyer who didn't think suing someone or something wasn't a good idea?
That would be like a Southern Preacher saying that this is no time for praying.
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1236 on: April 28, 2018, 03:25:38 AM »

Steve, have you ever met a lawyer who didn't think suing someone or something wasn't a good idea?
That would be like a Southern Preacher saying that this is no time for praying.
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Are you suggesting that there's no such thing as a worthwhile lawsuit?
Otherwise, have any specific response to the view presented by Jeffrey Toobin?  He's no slouch, and he doesn't slavishly promote any party line.

Note, the DNC, years ago, sued Richard Nixon's campaign.  The result was successful and helped uncover some relevant Watergate facts.  A repeat seems thoroughly warranted.

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« Reply #1237 on: April 28, 2018, 04:29:13 AM »

Steve, have you ever met a lawyer who didn't think suing someone or something wasn't a good idea?
That would be like a Southern Preacher saying that this is no time for praying.
Terry

Are you suggesting that there's no such thing as a worthwhile lawsuit?
Otherwise, have any specific response to the view presented by Jeffrey Toobin?  He's no slouch, and he doesn't slavishly promote any party line.

Note, the DNC, years ago, sued Richard Nixon's campaign.  The result was successful and helped uncover some relevant Watergate facts.  A repeat seems thoroughly warranted.
Personally I've always found the threat of a lawsuit was more than adequate for my purposes.
We, (my lawyer and I) threatened the head of Weights and measures with a million dollar personal lawsuit on each of 56 counts of "Advocating for the abrogation of a contractual obligation". - shut him up like a clam.  8)


Had a doctor that wanted to sue me for an unpaid bogus bill, explained that I welcomed the opportunity to countersue. - he went away too.


More recently a neighbor in Southern California threatened to sue me if I wouldn't pay for 1/2 of his fence.  I sent him the local code requiring a pool owner to keep a 6' solid fence around his pool, he hasn't been heard of for the last 6 months.  8)


Civil law can be fun and profitable, primarily for those in the second oldest profession.
If it wasn't for lawsuits I'd probably need to support my kid brother, the lawyer. He never could have made it if he'd have had to work for a living. ::)


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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1238 on: May 03, 2018, 08:02:02 AM »
She definitely needs to shut up. DNC should pay her to. Every time her face is on TV that makes another prospective democrat stay home or another borderline republican go vote.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/385942-clinton-being-a-capitalist-probably-hurt-her-2016-election-prospects

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1239 on: May 03, 2018, 11:16:41 AM »

Hillary has been making big bucks from the DNC

"The DNC paid Onward Together $300,000 in January and $135,000 in every subsequent month, according to Federal Election Commission filings and information provided by the DNC. Thus far, it has transferred $705,000 to Clinton’s group; as of the end of this month, that sum will have increased to $840,000."

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/hillary-clinton-return-money-dnc-campaign-emaillist_us_5ae787e6e4b055fd7fced7bd

She's certainly been a wonderful inspiration to capitalists everywhere.
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« Reply #1240 on: May 03, 2018, 11:33:44 PM »
Spook democratic candidates from caucus99percent, csv format:

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"Candidate","State-district","Organization",,"Army","Air Force","Navy","Marines","CIA","State"
"Jessica Morse","California-4","State Dept.",,,,,,,1
"Regina Bateson","California-4","State Dept – sex trafficking",,,,,,,1
"Omar Siddiqui","California-48","FBI advisor counter-terrorism; CIA ",,,,,,1,
"Sara Jacobs","California-49","State Dept – Africa counterterrorism",,,,,,,1
"Douglas Applegate","California-49","Marine corps – gunship pilot",,,,,1,,
"Josh Butner","California-50","23 years navy seal",,,,1,,,
"Jason Crow","Colorado-6","82nd airborne, army rangers",,1,,,,,
"Lauren Baer","Florida-18","State Department",,,,,,,1
"Nancy Soderberg","Florida-6","NSC",,,,,,,1
"Johnathan Ebel","Illinois-13","Naval Intelligence",,,,1,,,
"Amy McGrath","Kentucky-6","Marine fighter pilot",,,,,1,,
"Jesse Colvin","Maryland-1","US Army ranger, Army intelligence,",,1,,,,,
"Matthew Morgan","Michigan-1","Marine corps",,,,,1,,
"Elissa Slotkin","Michigan-8","CIA operative,NSC",,,,,,1,
"Dan Feehan","Minnesota-1","Army ",,1,,,,,
"Dan McCready","N. Carolina-9","Marine corps – gunship pilot",,,,,1,,
"Maura Sullivan","New Hampshire-1","Marine corps",,,,,1,,
"Mikie Sherrill","New Jersey-11","Navy helicopter",,,,1,,,
"Andy Kim","New Jersey-3","Pentagon,NSC","x",,,,,,
"Tom Malinowski","New Jersey-7","State Department",,,,,,,1
"Jeffrey Beals","New York-19","CIA intelligence officer",,,,,,1,
"Patrick Ryan","New York-19","Army (West Point)",,1,,,,,
"Shelley Chauncey","Pennsylvania-5","CIA counter-intel, Latin America, Asia",,,,,,1,
"Chrissy Houlahan","Pennsylvania-6","Air force ",,,1,,,,
"Matt Reel","Tennessee-7","on active COVERT duty",,1,,,,,
"Gina Ortiz Jones","Texas-23","Air Force intelligence officer",,,1,,,,
"Mary Jennings Hegar","Texas-31","helicopter pilot, sued to fly, movie",,1,,,,,
"Kent Lester","Texas-31","West Point, ",,1,,,,,
"Edward Meier","Texas-32 – LOST!","State Department",,,,,,,1
"Daniel Helmer","Virginia-10","endorsed by CIA directors & M. Flournoy",,,,,,1,
"Elaine Luria","Virginia-2","Navy",,,,1,,,
"Abigail Spanberger","Virginia-7","CIA – 10 years",,,,,,1,
"Talley Sergent","W. Virginia-2","State Dept – sex trafficking",,,,,,,1
"Aaron Scheinberg","W. Virginia-2","West Point, Odierno, M. Flourney assoc.",,1,,,,,
"Richard Ojeda","W. Virginia-3","20 years army airborne",,1,,,,,,,,,9,2,4,5,6,8
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https://caucus99percent.com/content/community-wsws-list-cia-dems

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1241 on: May 04, 2018, 10:50:42 PM »
One more time Jimmy Dore goes over how the DCCC screws over progressives in favour of corporate stooges:

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« Reply #1242 on: May 05, 2018, 05:46:43 AM »
Once corp dem pushes another:

"endorsed Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s bid to fend off a reelection challenge from the Democratic Party’s left flank"

" “I’m proud to give Dianne Feinstein my strong endorsement for her reelection to the United States Senate,” Obama said ... "

Just stick to hanging on your new rich friends yachts, willya, Obama ? And throw some of the Chicago residents you're pricing out of their homes a bone or two. You can afford it.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/04/obama-dianne-feinstein-endorsement-569178


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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1243 on: May 05, 2018, 08:09:39 AM »
Amazon halts construction until city removes tax that aids the homeless,

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-03/amazon-halts-seattle-office-development-demands-tax-help-homeless-be-withdrawn

and Hillary wonders why bragging about being a Capitalist doesn't win many votes in the boondocks.
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1244 on: May 05, 2018, 07:42:32 PM »
Canova is running against Wasserman-Schulz. So, of course, right on time, smear job. Canova is a russian puppet:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article210152439.html

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« Reply #1245 on: May 05, 2018, 08:24:52 PM »
Canova is running against Wasserman-Schulz. So, of course, right on time, smear job. Canova is a russian puppet:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article210152439.html

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Those Damn Ruskys are always tryin' to make us vote for a clean environment, drinkable drinking water an' pushin' their lies about Climate Change.


We're suffering from a propaganda gap. We need to crank out more lies, and fast!
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« Reply #1246 on: May 05, 2018, 08:41:18 PM »
Interesting. Vargas has an opponent who doesn't like wars, in contrast to Vargas who apparently nevenr met one he didn't like. But Vargas is going to be hard to beat.

" congressional vote on whether to remove US troops from Iraq and Syria, he voted no "

“Why I oppose the president’s nuclear deal with Iran”

"Northrop Grumman donated $7,500 to his campaign. However, his biggest source of support according to Opensecrets.org came from “Finance/Insurance/Real Estate.” "

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/05/05/varg-m05.html

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1247 on: May 05, 2018, 09:25:15 PM »
Is a very heavily hispanic district the best place for Kevin Mitchell to be campaigning? Many of those he wants to represent won't even be able to read his message.


A little further north in the State and he might find a natural constituency, and if another Cesar Chavez comes along a Mexican Marxist may gain the seat.


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« Reply #1248 on: May 07, 2018, 10:08:05 PM »
I've finally come around to read this Jacobin magazine interview with Glenn Greenwald that was posted a while ago on one of the threads here (probably by sidd), and this part really stood out, because it's a perfect example of why the power of Corporate Democrats needs to be broken, if the Democratic Party is to be saved, and first steps to meaningful change can finally be taken.

Here it is (parts bolded by me):

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Question: This is an exceptionally surreal moment for the politics of surveillance, which is saying a lot given the history of surveillance politics. We have Republicans complaining about the national security state violating civil liberties and Democrats defending what conservatives like to call “the deep state” as the saviors of democracy. And this just weeks after members of both parties came together to reauthorize warrantless spying and pushed back proposals for very modest safeguards. Can you explain this debate over surveillance?

Greenwald: In order to do that, it’s important to go back to what happened in the aftermath of the Snowden reporting and the controversies it caused, particularly over domestic spying in the United States. In the months following the original reporting we did on the metadata program and the collection of huge amounts of data on Americans’ communication activities, there was a bill proposed in the House, jointly sponsored on the one hand by Justin Amash, the libertarian Republican from Michigan, and on the other hand by John Conyers, the liberal Democrat from Detroit, that was designed to overhaul and seriously reform domestic spying activities in the US.

At first when they introduced it, nobody took it seriously because there have been no bills passed by the US Congress since 9/11 that significantly reined in government powers — every bill passed in the name of the war on terror has expanded and increased government powers. So nobody took seriously the idea that the US Congress was going to rein in powers granted in the name of terrorism. But because of the controversy being created by the Snowden story and the nature of the factions in the House, they quickly started to attract support and got enough at first to force John Boehner to agree to let them bring it to the floor and have a House vote. Then they got enough support that it made it look like it was going to pass. The only reason it ended up not passing was because the White House summoned Nancy Pelosi and said, “We need you to whip votes against this bill.” She got enough Democrats in her caucus who had originally intended to vote for it to vote against it and make sure that it failed, protecting the ability of the NSA to spy on Americans en masse.

It was Nancy Pelosi who was overwhelmingly responsible for its defeat. There were lots of Republicans who joined with her — she actually worked with Boehner, who was also against it, but it was Pelosi who saved the day. But at least there you can say, OK, it’s kind of hypocritical for the Democrats, especially liberals like Pelosi, who are supposed to be proponents of reeling in these intelligence agencies, to be the one to save the NSA, but at least she’s doing the bidding of a Democratic president. It’s normal that politicians, as gross as it is, defend government power when their own party’s in control of it and only oppose it when the other party is. So at least she had that excuse. Fast forward four years later and now we don’t have Barack Obama running the NSA and the other executive-branch agencies that have so much power. We have somebody who, according to Pelosi herself, is an authoritarian, if not a fascist, who is also unprecedentedly corrupt, who will do anything to destroy his political enemies, and is probably a traitor, or at least an agent of an enemy power, which in her mind is Russia. These are all things Democrats believe about the person who’s now running these agencies.

So, there was another movement in the House to again rein in the NSA, because this bill that she helped pass in 2013 was expiring and there was an attempt from liberals and libertarians to try and rein it in again. This time, not only do you have the Democrats like Nancy Pelosi saying the person in charge of this spying power is a fascist, authoritarian, a liar, and corrupt, and an agent of an enemy power; you have Republicans who have spent the last year saying what they call the “deep state” now, which certainly includes the NSA and the CIA, are radically corrupt and abusing their spying powers for political ends to go after Trump and his allies who these agencies hate, in their view. So you have this perfect political moment where both parties have very compelling reasons to rein in these spying powers: the Democrats because they’re afraid of how Trump is going to abuse them, the Republicans because they think these agencies are abusing their powers for political reasons.

What happened was, again, there were enough Republicans who were opposed to the bill sponsored by Devin Nunes to simply extend the bill without any reforms, and even increase the NSA’s power to spy in certain instances in the domestic context, there were all these people, enough Republicans opposed to it that if Democrats had stayed unified against that bill, it would have failed and there would have been reform. Instead, what happened was Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff, who has spent the last year accusing Trump of being a traitor, joined with Paul Ryan and the majority of the Republican caucus and voted for Devin Nunes’s bill to block all reforms of NSA domestic spying and even increase the powers that Trump now has to spy on the American citizenry. It is mind-boggling that Nancy Pelosi, Devin Nunes, and Adam Schiff got away with helping the Republicans increase Donald Trump’s domestic spying power, and it’s equally mind-boggling that Devin Nunes, Paul Ryan, and all those people who have spent the last year accusing the deep state of being corrupt, did the same thing and got away with it.

I'd like to add that it is mind-boggling that people will actually defend this and say it is vital that Corporate Democrats like Pelosi aren't called out and put under pressure.
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« Reply #1249 on: May 09, 2018, 09:18:01 AM »
I wanna know the democrats that supported this slapdown of Warren's CFPB rule on predatory auto loans:

house.gov dont have it yet.

"Republicans and a group of Democrats passed a resolution to repeal the CFPB’s 2013 guidance on “dealer markups,” "

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/386779-house-votes-to-repeal-auto-loan-guidance-setting-new-precedent

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