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« Reply #150 on: April 28, 2018, 07:12:58 PM »
How australians get ripped off:

"failure for advice to be in the best interest of the clients".

"falsely witnessing more than 2,500 customer signatures."

"banning a dodgy financial adviser can take two and a half years."

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-28/banking-royal-commission-financial-industry-culture-exposed/9705504

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« Reply #151 on: May 05, 2018, 09:20:30 PM »
(fits in a few threads)

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/may-day-militancy-is-needed-to-create-the-economy-we-need/

"Seventy years of attacks on the right to unionize have left the union movement representing only 10 percent of workers. The investor class has concentrated its power and uses its power in an abusive way, not only against unions but also to create economic insecurity for workers."

I wonder how many of US citizebs are aware of it:

"In most of the world, May Day is a day for workers to unite, but May Day is not recognized in the United States even though it originated here. On May 1, 1886, more than 300,000 workers in 13,000 businesses across the US walked off their jobs for the first May Day in history. It began in 1884, when the Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions proclaimed at their convention that workers themselves would institute the 8-hour day on May 1, 1886. ..."



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« Reply #152 on: May 06, 2018, 09:03:01 PM »
Surprise, surprise.  Economists have been miscalculatin employment and profuctivity in manufacturing for years. And that might have elected Trump. The article is worth reading, as are the references poste in it.

"Trump’s story of US manufacturing decline was much closer to being right than the story of technological progress being spun in Washington, New York, and Cambridge."

“The dominant narrative is that there’s no problem, that it’s doing very well, and that’s kind of the end of the story, at least among economists,” she says. “Trump won to some degree arguing that trade had harmed US workers and that US manufacturing was not doing well. Very often, the mainstream media and economists were quick to point out that that’s not borne out by statistics. But that’s based on a misreading of the statistics.”

"MIT’s Daron Acemoglu and Brendan Price, estimated that competition from Chinese imports cost the US as many as 2.4 million jobs between 1999 and 2011."

"Justin Pierce and Peter Schott argue that China’s accession to the WTO in 2001—set in motion by president Bill Clinton—sparked a sharp drop in US manufacturing employment. That’s because when China joined the WTO, it extinguished the risk that the US might retaliate against the Chinese government’s mercantilist currency and protectionist industrial policies by raising tariffs. International companies that set up shop in China therefore enjoyed the benefits of cheap labor, as well as a huge competitive edge from the Chinese government’s artificial cheapening of the yuan."

“We didn’t have the intelligent debates about what was going on with trade, etc., because a lot of people were just denying there was any problem, period.”

"While the forces of globalization battered America’s middle class, they largely benefited the country’s emerging urban professional elite—managers, consultants, lawyers, and investment bankers "

"the myth of automation continues to have a strong grip on the minds of American policymakers and pundits. The lessons of the populist backlash during the 2016 presidential election didn’t seem to take. As the US gears up for mid-term elections this year, the Democrats have no vision for how to reverse the industrial backslide."

https://qz.com/1269172/the-epic-mistake-about-manufacturing-thats-cost-americans-millions-of-jobs/

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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #153 on: May 06, 2018, 11:03:57 PM »
"profuctivity"

Nice (unintentional?) coinage!

But good article, too! Folks on both the left and right knew in this case that the mainstream story did not reflect the reality on the ground.
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« Reply #154 on: May 06, 2018, 11:36:32 PM »
" (inintentional?) "

heehee. I wish.

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« Reply #155 on: May 06, 2018, 11:58:54 PM »
America's Finest News Source:

"You can’t just take a breath whenever you want to—we pay to condition the air here ..."

"I had no choice but to let him go"

"crack down on warehouse worker blinking."

https://www.theonion.com/amazon-fires-warehouse-worker-who-took-unauthorized-bre-1825765390

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« Reply #156 on: May 07, 2018, 12:10:40 AM »
Surprise, surprise.  Economists have been miscalculatin employment and profuctivity in manufacturing for years. And that might have elected Trump. The article is worth reading, as are the references poste in it.
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Nice one. 

The sacking of America.

Why pay workers to work when you can give them a loan instead.

We need to replace the lost wages.  US minimum wage to all workers making stuff for America and then Up the minimum wage to $30hr.  If we aren't going to have the productive jobs then we need the jobs we do have to pay what those we lost don't.

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« Reply #157 on: May 07, 2018, 09:10:20 PM »
Oldie but a goodie: Galbraith (James) in 2005 on incompetent (and competent) economists

He quotes Dymski [2005] on financial exclusion, a reference also very worth reading:

"... The likelihood in market after market is that potential borrowers will break into two prototypical groups: one group whose assets and position are secure ... and a second group, whose wealth levels are so low that contracts are written with the hope of extracting sufficient returns in the short run to compensate for what will inevitably be (for most) longer term insolvency problems... The financial crisis that is familiar from Minsky's work involves the collapse of expectations and of conditions for refinancing in the formal market ... A second type of crisis, however, involves a collapse of the conditions required for financial reproduction in the informal market. .... This does not mean that these participants will cease to function or to borrow: they have no choice but to borrow and to get ever deeper into hopelessly high levels of debt. When asset exhaustion makes it impossible to renew activities, so that more time cannot be bought, then life and financial crisis can become indistinguishable."

The paper by Dymski continues (not quoted in Galbraith):

"Financial firms operating globally are both reacting to the increasingly polarized distribution of income and wealth around the world, and also behaving in ways that worsen that divide."

"In some nations of the South, the poor and small businesses have never succeeded in winning access to lower-cost formal-sector credit and money services. In these cases, the current trends in banking strategy are hardening the lines between the formal and informal financial markets—between financial citizenship and financial inclusion ... In other nations of the South, governments are withdrawing from the provision of universal formal financial services, or from their withdrawing rules insisting on universal access to formal financial services. Financial globalization operates at both ends of this chain of causation: global financial firms are supplying financial services directly in some developing-economy markets (for example, Mexico); in other markets, these firms’ threats of reduced credit or service flows, or even of market entry, has the effect of weakening governments’ commitment to universal financial access (for example, China). In effect, this financial homogenization/stratification process is eating away idiosyncratic features of many national financial systems from the inside out, regardless of whether financial crises are wreaking havoc from the outside in."



Back to Galbraith:

"the vapor trails of fraud and corruption are everywhere: from the terms of the original mortgages, to the appraisals of the houses on which they were based, to the ratings of the securities issued against those mortgages, to gross negligence of the regulators, to the notion that the risks could be laid off by credit default swaps, a substitute for insurance that lacked the critical ingredient of a traditional insurance policy, namely loss reserves. None of this was foreseen by mainstream economists, who generally find crime a topic beneath their dignity. In unraveling all this now, it is worth remembering that the resolution of the savings and loan scandal saw over a thousand industry insiders convicted and imprisoned. Plainly, the intersection of economics and criminology remains a vital field for research going forward."

Recall, this is in 2005. I was seeing some of this too, and firing all my mortgage banking clients who i thought, like him, would go to jail. None of the went to jail. But they put a whole buncg of people on the street.

"Leading active members of today’s economics profession... have formed themselves into a kind of Politburo for correct economic thinking. As a general rule—as one might generally expect from a gentleman’s club—this has placed them on the wrong side of every important policy issue, and not just recently but for decades. They predict disaster where none occurs. They deny the possibility of events that then happen. ... They oppose the most basic, decent and sensible reforms, while offering placebos instead. They are always surprised when something untoward (like a recession) actually occurs. And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not reexamine their ideas. They do not consider the possibility of a flaw in logic or theory. Rather, they simply change the subject. No one loses face, in this club, for having been wrong. No one is dis-invited from presenting papers at later annual meetings. And still less is anyone from the outside invited in. [Ref 19]"

Read both:

http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/HE/TA09EconomistGalbraith.pdf

The Dymski reference is:

doi: 10.1080/02692170500213319

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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #158 on: May 07, 2018, 10:46:11 PM »
I figured that a $30hr minimum wage would correct the ratio of median house price to median house hold income. it would support house prices above the peak of the last bubble.  Undoing the fraud retroactively.

Then I ran across the idea of a global market.  The Gini coefficient is bad.  But going from a national to global economy means we need to close the global Gini coefficient.

The discussion about a gold standard was based on money not being worth anything. But the minimum wage law pegs the dollar to low end wages.  That can be done globally.  And it can be done with purely domestic US policies. Just put a tax penalty on capital gains of 110% if the company uses labor at less than US minimum wage anywhere on the planet.  The same for dividend income.

This is not "correct economic thinking"
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« Reply #159 on: May 09, 2018, 08:18:14 PM »
New Republic on the repression of labour in the USA:

"Pay is supposed to increase during periods of low unemployment ...But that hasn’t happened to a meaningful degree today "

"Capitalism, as it’s practiced in the United States, has broken economics. Employers have been allowed, through laissez-faire policies, to build up enough power that they’ve become impervious to how economic models dictate they should react."

"Workers used to have more influence over their employers. But for decades, they have steadily lost whatever bargaining power they once had."

"there’s also the problem of regional inequality—the abandonment of large swaths of the country, while major cities flourish. Workers in abandoned regions cannot bargain up their wages because they have no alternative while living in areas with scarce jobs. Moving to find work is increasingly difficult given scant savings and inadequate government safety nets."

"Many people of prime working age (25-54) have dropped out of the labor market entirely. "

https://newrepublic.com/article/148329/america-broke-economy

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« Reply #160 on: May 09, 2018, 11:55:22 PM »
World Bank report on integenerational mobility has some warning signs for developing countries: Apparently intergenerational income/education/wealth mobility is stagnating or declining in parts of Africa and South Asia

https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/bitstream/handle/10986/28428/9781464812101.pdf?sequence=8&isAllowed=y

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« Reply #161 on: May 10, 2018, 12:04:53 AM »
New Republic on the repression of labour in the USA:

"Pay is supposed to increase during periods of low unemployment ...But that hasn’t happened to a meaningful degree today "

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I've thought that unemployment has been misrepresented.  With 25% of our manufacturing workers out of work and not counted as unemployed we will not see upward pressure on wages until they get an opportunity to work for reasonable pay.  So the current 4% unemployment rate does not work like the historic 4% rate did.  It acts more like 6~8%
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« Reply #162 on: May 10, 2018, 12:35:47 AM »
Job openings soar to all time highs!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-08/job-openings-soar-472000-all-time-high-66-million

wages should be going up.
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« Reply #163 on: May 10, 2018, 01:34:29 AM »
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...The Richest Households Evade About 25% of Taxes Owed by Concealing Assets and Investment Income Abroad

When we apply this distribution to available estimates of the macroeconomic amount of wealth hidden in tax havens (Zucman 2013, Alstadsæter et al. 2018), we find that the top 0.01% richest households evade about 25% of the taxes they owe by concealing assets and investment income abroad. Throughout our research, we maintain a clear distinction between legal tax avoidance and illegal evasion. Thus, this estimate only takes into account the wealth held offshore that evades taxes; it excludes properly declared offshore assets. When we add the tax evasion detected in random audits, total evasion in the top 0.01% reaches 25-30%, versus 3% on average in the population (Figure 1)....

Think what this means to the citizens of many countries.  Because their govt cannot collect the taxes owed this often results in more national debt and a reduction in services.  And it of course makes the rich even richer.....

https://voxeu.org/article/tax-evasion-and-inequality
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« Reply #164 on: May 10, 2018, 05:57:34 PM »
Sixteen tons and what do you get ? Laid off:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/05/08/amaz-m08.html

Bezos is a slaverunner.

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« Reply #165 on: May 11, 2018, 01:26:16 AM »

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« Reply #166 on: May 13, 2018, 07:00:32 AM »
A paper from 2005 arguing that:

"Apparent improvement in the economic position of young black men is thus largely an artifact of rising joblessness fueled by the growth in incarceration during the 1990s."

That rise in incarceration was a clinton thing.

AJS Volume 111 Number 2 (September 2005): 553–78

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« Reply #167 on: May 15, 2018, 07:14:36 AM »
Well, lookee here. This is as neat a scam as i have seen since 2008.

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Codere, a Spanish gaming firm, owed money it could not repay. Its bonds were trading at just over half face value. Blackstone, a private-equity firm, offered it a cheap $100m loan. But there was a catch. Blackstone had bought credit derivatives on Codere’s debt that would pay out about €14m ($19m) if Codere missed a bond payment. So Codere delayed a payment by a couple of days to prompt a “technical default”. Blackstone got its payout; Codere got its loan

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So they pulled the same shit with Hovanian, on a third of a billion.

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Blackstone bought $333m-worth of credit derivatives on Hovnanian, an American construction firm. It offered Hovnanian cheap financing on condition that it trigger those derivatives to pay out
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Some more shenanigans later, it is found to be all perfectly legal.

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company CDSs fall under the Securities and Exchange Commission, which has said nothing. Courts, so far, have upheld the actions of Hovnanian and Blackstone
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Regulatory capture writ large. Late stage capitalism.

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« Reply #168 on: May 17, 2018, 05:43:59 AM »
In another thread, I wrote about my shock the first time I saw someone flee from an ambulance a decade ago. Since then i recall other instances of people ruined by exorbitant bills for medical emergency, not the least of which is transport.

Some years ago, a neighbour of mine was splitting logs in his driveway when a load of the big round haybales showed up. He quit splitting, was moving the splitter outta way, going to get the forklift. The load hadn't been strapped right, as the driver began to loosen and remove strappage, haybales rolled, came down, smashed my neighbour's head into the logsplitter hard enuf to dent the logsplitter. It was daylight, he was choppered out spent over a month in hospital. Bill for chopper ride was over 30KUS$. He was lucky, he is first responder, fireman, county commisioner  so that insurance covered his ass on that bill.

Flash forward a couple years, same area, late night, see paramedic flashers thru the window, go out to see whats up. Ambulance parked down the road, don't know where they are. I figure out they need the old ladies down the road, so i send em there.

Those two ladies have been living for decades in a poorly renovated pre civil war log cabin. Their rent is $180 a month, and no one is gonna raise it. In winter neighbours make sure they have enuf coal to stay unfrozen. The older one is 90+ and her daughter is 70 ish. Dirt poor, both living on social, no pension. Neighbors drop off groceries now and then.

Mom is in pretty bad shape, they call in a chopper. Chopper cant find the place either, and radio incompatibility means they cant talk to the paramedics. Neighor, as usual, shows up quick, his radio can talk to both of them so he drives out and guides chopper into landing spot with his headlights. Mom goes to hospital.

Mom survives, 40K bill for the ride. She will be paying 25$ a month for the rest of her  life outta social against that debt. Of course it will never get paid. But the lien will hold against her estate when she dies so they screw the daughter too. Not that the estate will be worth much, they pretty poor.

there is no fucking way on God's once green earth that taking 25$ a month for this out of a poor old lady is justified.

So right after this my neighbor's dad keels over. He had been feeling poorly forawhile, refused to go to hospital. His wife (who hadnt driven a car in more than a decade, bad hips, also untreated) stole the neighbors car (everyody leaves the key in the ignition) and drove over three ridges in a storm to the nearest hospital. Wouldn't call an ambulance after what happened. He recovered enuf to get on his feet the next day, but was diagnosed with inoperable lung cancer. They told him to stop smoking, but he never smoked anything in his life, worked in coal and asbestos mines. The mining companies dont like those diagnoses. He went home, refused any but palliative care, was dead inna couple months. The bill for the two night hospital visit and palliative druggage was large enuf that his wife was gonna take out a mortgage on the farm, fifty years or more after they had paid off their first and only one. But the kids got together and bought their way outta that.

This is a strange and terrible land.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/06/business/rescued-by-an-air-ambulance-but-stunned-at-the-sky-high-bill.html

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« Reply #169 on: May 18, 2018, 03:23:59 AM »
Oxford geographer on how economic inequality exacerbates climate harm:

https://www.bbc.com/ideas/videos/opinion-the-super-rich-are-damaging-the-environmen/p064kjgj

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« Reply #170 on: May 19, 2018, 06:50:06 PM »
Over at nakedcapitalism, Guiso argues that the rise of populism in Europe is economically driven, the effects most visible in those populationd negatively affected by globalism.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/05/populism-backlash-economically-driven-backlash.html

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« Reply #171 on: May 21, 2018, 09:51:56 PM »
Bring back the poorhouses !

"issued hundreds of fixed-penalty notices and pursued criminal convictions for “begging”, “persistent and aggressive begging” and “loitering” "

" the judge admitted “I will be sending a man to prison for asking for food when he was hungry” "

“This approach just pushes people into debt or the criminal justice system.”

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/may/20/homeless-people-fined-imprisoned-pspo-england-wales

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« Reply #172 on: May 21, 2018, 10:02:05 PM »
Plutocrats now worth 9.2 trillion:

 “surged by 24 percent to a record level of $9.2 trillion,”  in 2017.

" the richest 10 billionaires own a combined $663 billion"

 “dramatic improvement in extreme wealth creation” in the United States due to “buoyant equity markets and robust corporate earnings.”

"The United States is home to the most billionaires of any country in the world and accounts for 34 percent of billionaire wealth worldwide. New York maintained its position as the top billionaire city, home to 103 billionaires."

"In 2017, Wealth-X published a report on the world’s “ultra high net worth” population, which includes individuals whose net worth is over $30 million. According to this report, the world’s “ultra wealthy”—some 250,000 people worldwide—owned a combined $25 trillion, including $9.6 trillion in liquid cash alone. "

For just one fifth of the total wealth of the 10 richest people in the world, the following social needs could be immediately addressed:

* The provision of housing for all 634,000 homeless people in the US: $20 billion

* The provision of food to 862 million malnourished people worldwide: $30 billion

* Reduction by half of the total number of people without access to clean water: $11 billion

* Education for every child who doesn’t receive one: $26 billion

* Free maternal and prenatal care for every mother in the developing world: $13 billion

* Treatment and vaccination to prevent 4 million malaria deaths: $6 billion

* Replacement of the toxic water infrastructure of Flint, Michigan with a safe and clean system: $1.5 billion

* Immediate $20,000 bonuses to all 3.1 million teachers in the US: $62 billion

Total cost: $169.5 billion.

Read all about it:

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/05/21/pers-m21.html

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« Reply #173 on: May 23, 2018, 09:36:09 PM »
America's Finest News Source: When will the poor give up ?

"sources close to the 1 percent confirmed. “What exactly is wrong with them? I mean, there’s no possible way they’ll ever stop us from getting everything we want ..."

" ... no one in their right mind could possibly see the use of struggling against those who control the nation’s media, financial, and political institutions ... "

"it’s been over since we somehow got them to accept that trickle-down bullshit"

"we tied their education to their property taxes to encourage them to ass-fuck themselves almost as hard as they ass-fucked their neighbors"

"a sense of renewed hope and optimism upon realizing how few poor people had voted"

https://www.theonion.com/nation-s-rich-and-powerful-wondering-when-rest-of-ameri-1826268763

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« Reply #174 on: May 28, 2018, 10:44:04 PM »
Another article along the lines that Brill outlined: Stewart at the atlantic:

"there is a lot to admire about my new group, which I’ll call—for reasons you’ll soon see—the 9.9 percent ... By any sociological or financial measure, it’s good to be us. It’s even better to be our kids. "

"The meritocratic class has mastered the old trick of consolidating wealth and passing privilege along at the expense of other people’s children. We are not innocent bystanders to the growing concentration of wealth in our time. We are the principal accomplices ... "

"Every piece of the pie picked up by the 0.1 percent, in relative terms, had to come from the people below. But not everyone in the 99.9 percent gave up a slice. Only those in the bottom 90 percent did. "

"In between the top 0.1 percent and the bottom 90 percent is a group that has been doing just fine. It has held on to its share of a growing pie decade after decade. "

"One of the hazards of life in the 9.9 percent is that our necks get stuck in the upward position. We gaze upon the 0.1 percent with a mixture of awe, envy, and eagerness to obey ... We have left the 90 percent in the dust—and we’ve been quietly tossing down roadblocks behind us to make sure that they never catch up."

" ... it keeps alive one of the founding myths of America’s meritocracy: that our success has nothing to do with other people’s failure ... They have taken their money out of productive activities and put it into walls. Throughout history, moreover, one social group above all others has assumed responsibility for maintaining and defending these walls. Its members used to be called aristocrats. Now we’re the 9.9 percent. "

"We prefer to signal our status by talking about our organically nourished bodies, the awe-inspiring feats of our offspring, and the ecological correctness of our neighborhoods. We have figured out how to launder our money through higher virtues ... Most important of all, we have learned how to pass all of these advantages down to our children."

"We prefer to interpret their relative poverty as vice: Why can’t they get their act together?"

"For those who made the mistake of being born to the wrong parents, our society offers a kind of virtual education system. It has places that look like colleges—but aren’t really. It has debt—and that, unfortunately, is real. The people who enter into this class hologram do not collect a college premium; they wind up in something more like indentured servitude."

“When economists like me look at medicine in America—whether we lean left or right politically—we see something that looks an awful lot like a cartel." ... “The American Bar Association operates a state-approved cartel.”

"Americans now turn over $1 of every $12 in GDP to the financial sector; in the 1950s, the bankers were content to keep only $1 out of $40."

"You see, when educated people with excellent credentials band together to advance their collective interest, it’s all part of serving the public good by ensuring a high quality of service, establishing fair working conditions, and giving merit its due ... When working-class people do it—through unions—it’s a violation of the sacred principles of the free market. It’s thuggish and anti-modern."

"The poorest quintile of Americans pays more than twice the rate of state taxes as the top 1 percent does, and about half again what the top 10 percent pays."

"And—such is the beauty of the system—51 percent of those handouts [Federal tax giveaways] went to the top quintile of earners, and 39 percent to the top decile ... The best thing about this program of reverse taxation, as far as the 9.9 percent are concerned, is that the bottom 90 percent haven’t got a clue."

" the amount of money that married couples can pass along to their heirs tax-free from a very generous $11 million to a magnificent $22 million. Correction: It’s not merely tax-free; it’s tax-subsidized. The unrealized tax liability on the appreciation of the house you bought 40 years ago, or on the stock portfolio that has been gathering moths—all of that disappears when you pass the gains along to the kids."

"we’ve convinced ourselves that we don’t have any privilege at all."

"We’re willing to strip everyone, including ourselves, of the universal right to a good education, adequate health care, adequate representation in the workplace, genuinely equal opportunities, because we think we can win the game."

"Perhaps the best evidence for the power of an aristocracy is to be found in the degree of resentment it provokes. By that measure, the 9.9 percent are doing pretty well indeed."

"We may not be the ones funding the race-baiting, but we are the ones hoarding the opportunities of daily life. We are the staff that runs the machine that funnels resources from the 90 percent to the 0.1 percent. We’ve been happy to take our cut of the spoils. We’ve looked on with smug disdain as our labors have brought forth a population prone to resentment and ripe for manipulation. We should be prepared to embrace the consequences."

"we are next in line for the chopping block."

Read the whole thing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/the-birth-of-a-new-american-aristocracy/559130/?single_page=true

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« Reply #175 on: May 28, 2018, 11:09:49 PM »
Gutting of unions: Plea deal shows mechanics of UAW bribery: This will make union rank anf dile even less likely to follow union line when voting. The last time all the union leaders endorsed Hilary, and were met with open revolt among the ranks. This time, the union bosses have even less credibility. Probably best if they say and do nothing, for any candidates they endorse will be seen as tainted.

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"FCA executives authorized UAW Vice President General Holiefield and other UAW officials to “offer sham employment status at the NTC to a number of their friends, family and allies” who were then hired under a “special assignment” status to the NTC. Hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments were made to the UAW “in the guise of reimbursements for 100% of the salaries and benefits the UAW paid to members of the UAW International Staff, knowing that those individuals did little or no work on behalf of the NTC.”"


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"UAW signed agreements imposing historic concessions on tens of thousands of Chrysler workers, including abolishing the eight-hour-day and replacing it with a 10-hour “Alternative Work Schedule,” halving the wages for a new class of “second-tier” workers and expanding the number of temporary part-time workers (TPTs) who pay union dues but have no rights."

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/05/28/brow-m28.html

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« Reply #176 on: May 29, 2018, 12:56:21 AM »
Inequality under the law: Rape a five year old, get 90 days house arrest.

"Burgess is very wealthy."

http://www.wafb.com/story/38288064/man-pleads-no-contest-to-5-year-old-girls-rape-sentenced-to-90-days-of-house-arrest

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« Reply #177 on: May 29, 2018, 01:38:23 AM »
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« Reply #178 on: May 29, 2018, 05:20:14 PM »
Over at nakedcap,Strether on the underestimation of the share income that goes to capital owners:

"In the worst five-year period (2007–11) over the last half-century-plus, owners got 25 percent of comprehensive income. Despite protestations about owners “risking” their “capital,” this five-year measure has never gone negative. Over recent decades they’ve often gotten more like 45 or 50 percent+."

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« Reply #179 on: June 06, 2018, 03:24:57 AM »
Over in another thread, i posted:

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Free market except in labor: No wage gains, but more jobs than officially unemployed. Pay 'em more ? No way !

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/05/there-are-more-jobs-than-people-out-of-work.html
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I think this has relevance to economic inequality in that it shows the results of wage suppression.

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« Reply #180 on: June 06, 2018, 01:52:04 PM »
Over in another thread, i posted:

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Free market except in labor: No wage gains, but more jobs than officially unemployed. Pay 'em more ? No way !

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/05/there-are-more-jobs-than-people-out-of-work.html
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I think this has relevance to economic inequality in that it shows the results of wage suppression.

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Do not see how that article supports that conclusion.  If this disparity continues, wages must increase more than the slight uptick last month.

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« Reply #181 on: June 06, 2018, 04:40:41 PM »
Over in another thread, i posted:

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Free market except in labor: No wage gains, but more jobs than officially unemployed. Pay 'em more ? No way !

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/05/there-are-more-jobs-than-people-out-of-work.html
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I think this has relevance to economic inequality in that it shows the results of wage suppression.

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Do not see how that article supports that conclusion.  If this disparity continues, wages must increase more than the slight uptick last month.

I wouldn't be so sure of that.  It seems clear that in the globalized 21st century economy, the demand curve for labor has become far more elastic than it was during the 20th century.  The old relationship between a tight labor market and increasing wages has broken down.

"Demand curve for labor" may need a little discussion here.  If you're a typical US business, a very large proportion of the labor you need to operate *could* be outsourced to low-cost labor overseas.  In reality, most businesses would *prefer* to use domestic labor for domestic operations.   There are inconveniences, communications issues, quality control issues, language barriers, delivery delays, time zone issues that make overseas labor inconvenient to use.

So, a typical employer might gauge that domestic labor economically commands perhaps a $15/hr premium (median wage for median labor complexity).  If filling a specific position domestically suddenly costs a $20/hr premium, the domestic position won't be filled--the labor will be done overseas.  The job listing may stay posted, but not above the economically-justified wage.

In other words, the "elasticity" of the "demand curve" for labor has dramatically increased in the 21st century relative to the 20th.

Econ 101 says we just won't see much wage growth domestically regardless of how much GDP grows or corporate profits increase.  Wages will grow only if employers are faced with circumstances that increase the economically viable premium to be paid for domestic labor.

News analysis of the breakdown in the historic relationship between labor demand and wages often say "economists are mystified as to why wages aren't increasing more."  I'm mystified as to why economists are mystified.  It's basic Econ 101.

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« Reply #182 on: June 16, 2018, 06:44:51 AM »
O no!  homeless living too close to the rich. When omeless camps get burnt out, so do the mansions. Cant have that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/17/america-gilded-age-excesses-extremes-mansions-homeless-trump/610748002/

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« Reply #183 on: June 19, 2018, 10:19:04 PM »
rich get richer:

" Wealth is becoming even more concentrated as the ultra-wealthy, those with $30 million or more in investable assets, saw the greatest growth"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2018/06/19/wealthy-millionaires-global-stocks/711875002/

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« Reply #184 on: July 18, 2018, 02:47:24 AM »
Town Hall meet with Bernie Sanders and employees of several behemoths with obscenely rich owner/management: "CEOs vs. Workers"



Very well worth watching. One hour, eighteen minutes.

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« Reply #185 on: July 28, 2018, 01:11:25 PM »
This is the problem:



You can't solve things like AGW and have the wealth of people like Jeff Bezos act like The Blob. You need to put a cap on how much a Bezos can own, and that's the end of the line for that person. They're free from then on to do as they like and not be the slaves of their own wealth.
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« Reply #186 on: August 01, 2018, 07:03:55 AM »
Paul Street reviews some literature: Standing and others:

Standing(2016): [ The Corruption of Capitalism, ISBN: 9781785900440 ]
" ... six core constituent elements defined largely by their ability or inability to garner income from the ownership of property and from the political power and policy influence that flow from that possession: “a tiny plutocracy (perhaps 0.001 percent) atop a bigger elite, a ‘salariat’ (in relatively secure salaried jobs), ‘proficians’ (freelance professionals), a core working class, a precariat, and a ‘lumpen-precariat’ at the bottom.” "

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/in-the-age-of-hyper-disparity-the-ultimate-loss-is-a-livable-earth/

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« Reply #187 on: August 01, 2018, 07:56:04 AM »
This is the problem:



You can't solve things like AGW and have the wealth of people like Jeff Bezos act like The Blob. You need to put a cap on how much a Bezos can own, and that's the end of the line for that person. They're free from then on to do as they like and not be the slaves of their own wealth.

How would you aim to do that? What kind of law can be made to decide what is the maximum one can be worth? I would call slippery slope.

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« Reply #188 on: August 01, 2018, 08:52:08 AM »
How would you aim to do that? What kind of law can be made to decide what is the maximum one can be worth? I would call slippery slope.

I don't know, but if something of the kind isn't done, nothing can be effectively solved. And so it needs to be discussed.
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« Reply #189 on: August 01, 2018, 09:05:44 AM »
How would you aim to do that? What kind of law can be made to decide what is the maximum one can be worth? I would call slippery slope.

I don't know, but if something of the kind isn't done, nothing can be effectively solved. And so it needs to be discussed.

Suggesting change without an inkling of an idea of a solution doesn't mean much (sorry-not personal).  Personally, I don't think there is a way to change this. There have always been "elites" and nobility and this is just the same. Only solution historically is "pitchforks and torches" and not sure anyone wants to go there.

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« Reply #190 on: August 01, 2018, 09:18:10 AM »
"How would you aim to do that? What kind of law can be made to decide what is the maximum one can be worth? I would call slippery slope."
Simple transaction tax to replace all other taxes, 2.5% would more than cover it [actually .025% would do it if it included every transaction], if paired with a universal credit system where every citizen was allowed access to the same level of central bank credit at 0.5%pa rate [that the super rich get] then the lifting of the 40% upstream interest charges on every retail transaction would alleviate any distress caused.

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« Reply #191 on: August 01, 2018, 09:22:19 AM »
Before pitchforks and torches, there are - wealth taxes, inheritance taxes, income taxes. All of these can be made exorbitant at the very highest levels. Maybe you can't cap at a hard limit but you can severely handicap excessive accumulation. It's been done before.
I think specifically a wealth tax, even a very mild one say 1% per year of accumulated wealth above $1M, can go a long way towards correcting economic equality.
But then the wealthy start expatriating, and it becomes the same problem of lack of global governance.

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« Reply #192 on: August 01, 2018, 09:33:32 AM »
"How would you aim to do that? What kind of law can be made to decide what is the maximum one can be worth? I would call slippery slope."

Simple transaction tax to replace all other taxes, 2.5% would more than cover it [actually .025% would do it if it included every transaction], if paired with a universal credit system where every citizen was allowed access to the same level of central bank credit at 0.5%pa rate [that the super rich get] then the lifting of the 40% upstream interest charges on every retail transaction would alleviate any distress caused.

Transaction tax instead of all others would be great but how would that keep the ultra rich from becoming ultra ultra rich? They spend such a small amount (percentage wise) of their riches.

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« Reply #193 on: August 01, 2018, 09:40:14 AM »
Before pitchforks and torches, there are - wealth taxes, inheritance taxes, income taxes. All of these can be made exorbitant at the very highest levels. Maybe you can't cap at a hard limit but you can severely handicap excessive accumulation. It's been done before.
I think specifically a wealth tax, even a very mild one say 1% per year of accumulated wealth above $1M, can go a long way towards correcting economic equality.
But then the wealthy start expatriating, and it becomes the same problem of lack of global governance.

Yup, unless you have a one world government (in practice) then it can't work. All those taxes could bring  in some needed revenue but will not cap wealth and of course these people have the best accountants/lawyers and influence. I'm not being a defeatist - I think it's barking up the wrong tree.

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« Reply #194 on: August 01, 2018, 10:01:53 AM »
Suggesting change without an inkling of an idea of a solution doesn't mean much (sorry-not personal).

An idea of the solution is to start talking about it. Sorry, taking it personal.  ;)

There should be a huge social taboo on infinite, concentrated wealth. That's how they used to do it in tribes. Or in some tribes at least. The person who gave away most to others, was highly respected and often made chief. There are many things we find unacceptable as a society. Why couldn't this be one of those things?

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I'm not being a defeatist - I think it's barking up the wrong tree.

No, you're being defeatist. If you don't address this issue in any way, immediately brushing aside any discussion of it, nothing can ever be meaningfully solved. You cannot have a system that behaves like this: trillionnaires -> zillionnaires -> gazillionnaires -> ad infinitum, and solve things like AGW, resource wars, chronic disease/addiction epidemics at the same time. Because the latter are caused by the first.
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« Reply #195 on: August 01, 2018, 10:28:53 AM »
We can discuss it as we are. Look, one has to separate the theoretical ideal from the real world.

"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one"


Sounds great - not applicable to the real world- at least not in the near future.

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« Reply #196 on: August 01, 2018, 11:25:05 AM »
With more songs like this maybe society would change. One can hope even when one realizes it's hopeless.

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« Reply #197 on: August 01, 2018, 11:33:18 AM »
"Transaction tax instead of all others would be great but how would that keep the ultra rich from becoming ultra ultra rich? They spend such a small amount (percentage wise) of their riches."
 At the moment the ultra rich pay almost no taxes, the poor pay 40% tax to the financial sector [the ultra rich] on every one of their transactions. Most of the transactions of the super rich are tax exempt and amount to gaming the system rather than real economic activity. If the largely unnecessary financial transactions of the ultra-rich were treated even equally with selling labour to do useful work then it would become extremely difficult to accumulate vast fortunes. If the ultra rich had no priviledged access to endless credit at .5% to place their bets/buy their own shares/ acquire scarce resources they would mostly have been reduced to penury in the last banking crisis. I don't expect any change, the US needs an endless supply of the desperately impoverished to fill the ranks of it's enforcement arm, just saying the solutions aren't difficult, the politics are.

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« Reply #198 on: August 01, 2018, 11:40:54 AM »
We can discuss it as we are. Look, one has to separate the theoretical ideal from the real world.

"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one"


Sounds great - not applicable to the real world- at least not in the near future.

Nowhere in that song do I see Lennon argue for a cap on how much an individual can own.  ;)

There have always been things we take for granted and don't even think about, even though they are quite damaging. Think of slavery or human sacrifice. These things didn't change by themselves. They changed because people started talking about them.

How can we solve something if we aren't even willing to discuss it?
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« Reply #199 on: August 01, 2018, 12:00:45 PM »
We can discuss it as we are. Look, one has to separate the theoretical ideal from the real world.

"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one"


Sounds great - not applicable to the real world- at least not in the near future.

Nowhere in that song do I see Lennon argue for a cap on how much an individual can own.  ;)

There have always been things we take for granted and don't even think about, even though they are quite damaging. Think of slavery or human sacrifice. These things didn't change by themselves. They changed because people started talking about them.

How can we solve something if we aren't even willing to discuss it?

Imagine no possessions   Close enough.