The truth about MH17 is that both the Russians and the US had massive surveillance on that particular area at that particular time. Either one can show the world what actually occurred, and for some reason, neither side has done so.
What are you talking about ?
BOTH sides have posted their evidence.
The US has always sustained what Geoffrey Pyatt, US ambassador to Ukraine stated early on : “What happened to MH17 is not a mystery. We know that the aircraft was brought down by an SA11 missile fired from separatist territory." and the Pentagon posted the graph I posted before :
which confirms a launch site just south of Snizhne, consistent with open-source reconstructions by ukraine@war and the Bellingcat publication that Martin referred to previously.
We don't know which intel the Pentagon used to create that graph, but it is likely from IR tracking possibly by SBIRS :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_SystemThe Russians also presented their evidence.
Most notably on the 21st of July 2014, in a widely publicized press conference by the Russian Defense Ministry :
Before this press conference, I thought that MH17 was just an accident, and that if we all work together we can make sure it will never ever happen again.
But after this press conference, I understood that MH17 was not an 'accident'. This was a test of how far propaganda can go, and it was going to be a huge war of information. And noting Terry's opinions in this thread, 3 years after the fact, I was right.
The problem is that the Russian Defense Ministry lied in that press conference. And not just a little lie, but they lied on all accounts. Including fabricating evidence, mis-dating satellite pictures and they even lied about the radar images of the pieces of MH17 falling down, while 298 people fell to their death.
There are detailed reports from Bellingcat about each of their lies, and here is an overview article :
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/07/16/russias-colin-powell-moment-how-the-russian-governments-mh17-lies-were-exposed/As in any crime, the lies hurt more than the crime itself.
I've personally exposed one of these lies before Bellingcat did, and I'd be happy to discuss that, or any of the other lies by the Russian Defense Ministry.
I understand that when you are living in Russia, and all you see is these lies, and never see any rebuttal, nor any evidence, that that is what you believe.
But what is really astounding is that there are still people in the west (like Terry) who ignore the Russian lies, ignore all the evidence, and go back all the way to the beginning claiming we don't know anything.
That's incomprehensible for me, and it rips open wounds inside me that I thought were closed.