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SATire

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Re: China to lead the way?
« Reply #50 on: June 04, 2013, 12:26:38 AM »
I was wondering why you steadily insist new lignin power plants are ok for a "CO2-free leading nation" and why you refuse considering to look at Scandinavia or least Germanys former year 2000 energy reversal plans or at Chinas great efforts.  We are just on a swing to follow lazy USA (so - not you are attacked by me being lazy, but the Country refusing any effort or treaty for more than a decade allready).

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Re: China to lead the way?
« Reply #51 on: June 04, 2013, 12:53:02 AM »
I am not insisting that new lignite plants are OK.  I'm suggesting that replacing old coal plants with few, more efficient, load following plants is better than continuing to use less efficient plants which are not capable of load following.

I'm trying to suggest that Germany, not having a reliable source of natural gas, is probably wise to keep some coal generation in place while they build storage and other ways to cut their overall fossil fuel needs.  Renewables are not going to be acceptable to the general population if moving to them means that the grid goes black for extended periods of time.

I'm not sure how one can compare Germany to a country that has very large hydro resources. 

The "Lazy US" was 8th world-wide in wind generation per capita and 23rd in solar generation per capita in 2011.  Obviously not up there with some other countries, but hardly out of the game considering that there are 193 countries.  We've got some significant political problems that we're having to work through.

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Re: China to lead the way?
« Reply #52 on: June 04, 2013, 12:30:09 PM »
We've got some significant political problems that we're having to work through.
So we do have in Germany with U-turn-Merkel since 2009 - I hope we both can do better in future. If both of us will not do it, it will not be done.

We all have enough renewable resources - we only have to use them. (Norway: hydro; Sweden: hydro and wood farms; Denmark: Wind; Germany: Wind & Solar; UK: Wind & tides; USA: plenty of all like China)

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« Reply #53 on: June 04, 2013, 04:43:01 PM »
To return to the thread topic, the US and China have created a working group on climate change which is meeting this week.

See:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2013/06/02/china-u-s-agree-to-save-planet-from-climate-change/

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2013-06/01/content_16555085.htm

The April 13, 2013 statement that sets the stage for cooperation follows:

Joint China-US Statement on Climate Change
Updated: 2013-04-13 21:26
(Xinhua)

BEIJING - A joint U.S.-China statement on climate change was issued on Saturday. The full text is as follows:

Joint U.S.-China Statement on Climate Change

The United States of America and the People's Republic of China recognize that the increasing dangers presented by climate change measured against the inadequacy of the global response requires a more focused and urgent initiative. The two sides have been engaged in constructive discussions through various channels over several years bilaterally and multilaterally, including the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change process and the Major Economies Forum. In addition, both sides consider that the overwhelming scientific consensus regarding climate change constitutes a compelling call to action crucial to having a global impact on climate change.

The two countries took special note of the overwhelming scientific consensus about anthropogenic climate change and its worsening impacts, including the sharp rise in global average temperatures over the past century, the alarming acidification of our oceans, the rapid loss of Arctic sea ice, and the striking incidence of extreme weather events occurring all over the world. Both sides recognize that, given the latest scientific understanding of accelerating climate change and the urgent need to intensify global efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, forceful, nationally appropriate action by the United States and China - including large-scale cooperative action - is more critical than ever. Such action is crucial both to contain climate change and to set the kind of powerful example that can inspire the world.

In order to achieve this goal of elevating the climate change challenge as a higher priority, the two countries will initiate a Climate Change Working Group in anticipation of the 2013 Strategic and Economic Dialogue (S&ED). In keeping with the vision shared by the leaders of the two countries, the Working Group will begin immediately to determine and finalize ways in which they can advance cooperation on technology, research, conservation, and alternative and renewable energy. They will place this initiative on a faster track through the S&ED next slated to meet this summer. The Working Group will be led by Mr. Todd Stern, U.S. Special Envoy for Climate Change and Mr. Xie Zhenhua, Vice Chairman, the National Development and Reform Commission.

The purpose of the Climate Change Working Group will be to make preparations for the S&ED by taking stock of existing cooperation related to climate change, and the potential to enhance such efforts through the appropriate ministerial channels; and by identifying new areas for concrete, cooperative action to foster green and low-carbon economic growth, including through the use of public-private partnerships, where appropriate. The Climate Change Working Group should include relevant government ministries and will present its findings to the Special Representatives of the leaders for the S&ED at their upcoming meeting.

Both sides also noted the significant and mutual benefits of intensified action and cooperation on climate change, including enhanced energy security, a cleaner environment, and more abundant natural resources. They also reaffirmed that working together both in the multilateral negotiation and to advance concrete action on climate change can serve as a pillar of the bilateral relationship, build mutual trust and respect, and pave the way for a stronger overall collaboration.

Both sides noted a common interest in developing and deploying new environmental and clean energy technologies that promote economic prosperity and job creation while reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

In light of previous joint statements, existing arrangements, and ongoing work, both sides agree that it is essential to enhance the scale and impact of cooperation on climate change, commensurate with the growing urgency to deal with our shared climate challenges.

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