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« Reply #500 on: September 12, 2014, 01:30:37 PM »
Difficulties in California organic dairy industry:
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...Central Valley might not be geographically sustainable for organic milk production anymore. “That’s the trend that without a doubt is happening,” he says. “It’s not just about organic dairy, it’s about livestock and agriculture, especially as the valley gets more orientated toward tree foods and vegetables. There’s a tremendous pressure on those farmers.”
http://grist.org/food/the-drought-is-destroying-californias-organic-dairy-farms/
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« Reply #501 on: September 25, 2014, 07:47:00 PM »
The linked article in Wired indicates just how complicated our food situation is becoming, not only due to global warming, but also due to superweeds and GMOs:

http://www.wired.com/2014/09/new-gm-crops/
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« Reply #502 on: September 27, 2014, 01:28:53 AM »
The attached map comes from Germany’s Ludwig Maximilian University, which recently competed a study above the influence of climate change on the projected changes in land suitability for agriculture and one of their finding was that the amount of land "highly suited" for agriculture will drop by about 15% by 2100.
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« Reply #503 on: September 27, 2014, 05:54:40 PM »
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Irish teenagers Ciara Judge, Émer Hickey and Sophie Healy-Thow, all 16, have won the Google Science Fair 2014. Their project, Combating the Global Food Crisis, aims to provide a solution to low crop yields by pairing a nitrogen-fixing bacteria that naturally occurs in the soil with cereal crops it does not normally associate with, such as barley and oats.
http://m.inhabitat.com/all/16-year-old-irish-girls-win-google-science-fair-2014-with-world-changing-crop-yield-breakthrough#1
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« Reply #504 on: September 30, 2014, 02:19:25 PM »
Feeding hundreds of people with quality food rescued from dumpsters behind grocery stores across the US:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-greenfield/the-food-waste-fiasco_b_5896154.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
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« Reply #507 on: October 09, 2014, 10:48:25 AM »
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An important point to note is the timescale for the saturation state for calcite to “recover” to previous levels. Following the PETM, this took ~100,000 years, and it is projected to take a similar length of time following projected anthro-pogenic carbon emissions.

An updated synthesis of the impacts on ocean acidification on marine biodiversity.
http://www.cbd.int/doc/publications/cbd-ts-75-en.pdf

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« Reply #508 on: October 09, 2014, 03:06:13 PM »
5-minute Ted talk on insects (crickets) as a great food solution, given population, nutritional and environmental factors.
http://sfist.com/2014/08/05/paleo_and_gluten-free_craze_hits_pe.php#.

The demand for crickets for human consumption has doubled every year since 2010.  More and bigger cricket farms are needed.
http://chicagoist.com/2014/10/07/we_need_more_cricket_farmers_the_pr.php#.
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« Reply #509 on: October 21, 2014, 11:29:59 AM »
‘The Other CO2 Problem’: How Acidic Oceans Will Cost Our Economy Billions
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/09/3577544/ocean-acidification-cost/
“We can see that ocean acidification is not a short-lived problem,” the report reads, “and [it] could take many thousands of years to return to pre-industrial levels even if carbon emissions are curbed.”

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« Reply #510 on: October 23, 2014, 09:30:49 PM »
Russian grains in ‘even worse’ condition than 2009

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Russia’s autumn-sown grains crops are heading into winter “even worse” condition than five years ago, when losses from cold weather, and summer drought, sent wheat production tumbling, SovEcon warned.

Dry weather has allowed for speedy plantings, with farmers having planted 16.2m hectares of grains already, only 300,000 hectares short of the government target, and roughly 3m hectares ahead of last year.

Some parts of Russia, and western Ukraine, have received less than 20% of normal rainfall over the past 45 days, according to MDA.


http://www.agrimoney.com/news/russian-grains-in-even-worse-condition-than-2009--7632.html

Will this lead to price spikes that lead to more 'Arab Springs'?
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« Reply #511 on: October 24, 2014, 10:05:42 AM »
Science chief warns on acid oceans
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29746880#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa

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But researchers in Exeter have found that other creatures will also be affected because as acidity increases it creates conditions for animals to take up more coastal pollutants like copper.

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« Reply #512 on: October 24, 2014, 01:06:57 PM »
On a lighter (but hopefully still serious) note, I'm arranging a small "Green grub and red vino" event as a moving party.

We will provide food with carbon footprints attached.

The party will be at a local vegetarian restaurant (possibly vegan) so we will have to make do with pictures of beefburgers. I avoid beef anyway (http://nobeef.org.uk).

Any bright ideas?
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« Reply #513 on: October 28, 2014, 09:07:11 AM »
Farm salt poisoning costs $27 billion annually
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26462-farm-salt-poisoning-costs-27-billion-annually.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|environment#.VE9NpVHWTlc

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« Reply #514 on: October 28, 2014, 04:32:37 PM »
Geoff, I have prepared meals with all / most dinner menu items sourced from the farm. The low carbon bit was of topic but it came off more like a family day at the farm. I had invited families I knew who had invested in renewables, solar homes and vehicles. Making food part of the energy discussion is difficult.
 For a moving event different menus could stress the energy point by intentionally putting together one menu with  ingredients flown in and shipped  from various places around the world. Here in Calif. that might include (French) endive , hothouse sweet peppers from Belgium, Italian truffles, Chilean fruit compote, and a bottle of Shiraz from Australia.
 Another might source as many seasonally available  items as possible from one or two local farms. A third might try to source products that can be shipped by rail transport (,bulk commodities like grains and potatoes ) . The third menu might even beat out the local one  energy wise . Both menu two and three should stand in sharp contrast to the air transport of food .
 Scale also can decrease food energy costs and it is an important part of the discussion sometimes overlooked in the eat local food message.   

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« Reply #515 on: October 28, 2014, 11:14:53 PM »
"Wormballs", cricket protein bars, and... croutons?
Men's Health magazine looks at food made from insects.

http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/crickets-perfect-protein
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« Reply #516 on: November 03, 2014, 12:33:27 AM »
Maine's shrimp harvest plummeting due to the warming ocean.
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Temperatures in the Gulf of Maine are rising faster than in 99 percent of the Earth’s oceans, increasing half a degree Fahrenheit annually, scientists from the Gulf of Maine Research Institute found. That’s eight times faster than the global rate. In the process, Maine’s Northern shrimp haul has plummeted from 12 million pounds in 2010 to 563,313 pounds last year, as warmer temperatures cause their food supply to decline and their number of predators to increase and ocean acidification impacts their development.
http://ecowatch.com/2014/10/31/global-warming-shrimp/
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« Reply #517 on: November 11, 2014, 12:21:29 PM »
https://www.skepticalscience.com/IPCC-AR5-synthesis-risk-management.html



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Summary of projected changes in crop yields, due to climate change over the 21st century. Yellow indicates studies that project crop yield decreases, blue indicates studies projecting increases. Illustration: IPCC AR5

I'm a bit surprised that negative consequences on ag don't outstrip positive ones till after 2030. Does anyone have any idea why that would be? Is it short-term benefits of CO2 fertilization? Or benefits of slightly warmer, moister conditions?

Basically, though, if I'm reading this right, in fifteen years or so, things turn generally pretty awful. By the end of the century, things become basically impossible, wrt ag. And this is based apparently on AR5, not on the worst-case-scenario AR8 (the path we seem to be determined to take).
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« Reply #518 on: November 13, 2014, 01:08:25 AM »
I'm a bit surprised that negative consequences on ag don't outstrip positive ones till after 2030. Does anyone have any idea why that would be? Is it short-term benefits of CO2 fertilization? Or benefits of slightly warmer, moister conditions?

Basically, though, if I'm reading this right, in fifteen years or so, things turn generally pretty awful. By the end of the century, things become basically impossible, wrt ag. And this is based apparently on AR5, not on the worst-case-scenario AR8 (the path we seem to be determined to take).

I'm not sure you can say "negative consequences on ag don't outstrip positive ones till after 2030" from this graph, which appears to compare the number of positive versus negative *studies* for each 20-year period, not the degree of consequences.  Just over half of the studies say ag yields will decrease between 2020 to 2039 -- and for later years, the percentage of pessimistic studies crushes the optimistic ones.
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« Reply #519 on: November 15, 2014, 03:33:45 PM »
Article on why Sir Paul McCartney argues for Meatless Mondays.

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More than 70 per cent of the world’s farmland is used to graze livestock, while 40 per cent of the wheat, rye, oats and corn grown globally each year, plus 250 million tons of soya beans and other oil seeds, go to feed cattle, effectively causing cows to compete with people for food. Nearly a quarter of the planet’s available freshwater goes the same way, according to the blue-chip Worldwatch Institute, a Washington DC think tank.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/globalwarming/11231472/Sir-Paul-McCartney-why-I-have-a-beef-with-meat-eating.html
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« Reply #521 on: November 17, 2014, 04:03:52 PM »
Article on why Sir Paul McCartney argues for Meatless Mondays.

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More than 70 per cent of the world’s farmland is used to graze livestock, while 40 per cent of the wheat, rye, oats and corn grown globally each year, plus 250 million tons of soya beans and other oil seeds, go to feed cattle, effectively causing cows to compete with people for food. Nearly a quarter of the planet’s available freshwater goes the same way, according to the blue-chip Worldwatch Institute, a Washington DC think tank.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/globalwarming/11231472/Sir-Paul-McCartney-why-I-have-a-beef-with-meat-eating.html

Over the past 3 years, I have eliminated most of the meat (all types) from my diet.

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« Reply #522 on: November 22, 2014, 07:53:35 PM »
About those record high temps in the usually cold North Pacific.

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The North Pacific Ocean is setting record high temperatures this year and raising concerns about the potential impact on cold water marine species along the B.C. coast, including salmon.

Ocean surface temperatures around the world this year reached the highest temperature ever recorded, due in large part to the normally chilly North Pacific, which was three to four degrees above average — far beyond any recorded value.

Pacific record temperatures
Dr Richard Dewey with Ocean Networks Canada says scientists are still trying to figure out what's going on. (CBC)


​Bill Peterson, an oceanographer with the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, said the warmth along the North Pacific coast is very unusual.
"We've never seen this before. It's beyond anyone's experience and this is why it's puzzling," he said.

To further complicate the picture, Peterson says an El Niño warm water ocean current should arrive in about a month.

"We'll have what we call a double whammy," he said. "It's already very warm up north, up here. If we get an extra push of super warm water from the tropics, we could possibly have a big disaster on our hands, ecologically speaking."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/record-north-pacific-temperatures-threatening-b-c-marine-species-1.2845662
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« Reply #523 on: November 22, 2014, 08:33:37 PM »
Over the past 3 years, I have eliminated most of the meat (all types) from my diet.

I'm headed on that direction, although more slowly.  I stopped choosing beef and processed meats (bacon/sausage/jerky, etc.) ages ago. Now-days I go meatless some days, and on others I eat less chicken or seafood by dividing it into smaller portions over more days. 
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« Reply #524 on: November 25, 2014, 02:22:19 PM »
Good that it is not wasted.  But I still cry for the "misshapen or expired chocolate that would otherwise be discarded."   :'(

http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/nestle-is-using-chocolate-to-power-a-factory-20141124
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« Reply #525 on: November 25, 2014, 03:26:22 PM »
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,317.msg40097.html#msg40097

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Article on why Sir Paul McCartney argues for Meatless Mondays.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/globalwarming/11231472/Sir-Paul-McCartney-why-I-have-a-beef-with-meat-eating.html

I failed at getting the Carbon Footprint of Beef into Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Carbon_footprint#Carbon_footprint_of_Beef

I hope someone with more skill with Wikipedia bureaucracy will do better one day.

I know Wikipedia has a hard time with all the pressures and I do make modest donations but is Wikipedia too credentialist?  http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/is-wikipedia-too-credentialist/
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« Reply #526 on: November 25, 2014, 07:51:26 PM »
Goce gravity map traces ocean circulation
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30191584

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« Reply #527 on: December 02, 2014, 12:22:09 PM »
The One-Two Punch of Climate Change - #ReefReels Short Film Competition


40 Years of Scratching Reveals Ocean Acidification Data
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/ocean-acidification-new-baseline-18351

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« Reply #528 on: December 03, 2014, 02:07:51 PM »
Growing appetite for meat 'risks climate targets'
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30294981

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« Reply #530 on: December 04, 2014, 06:42:50 PM »
Sounds painful.   ;)
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-04/steak-lovers-squeezed-with-record-beef-premium-chart-of-the-day.html
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« Reply #531 on: December 04, 2014, 06:46:15 PM »
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There are 28 urban areas worldwide with at least 10 million people. By 2030, 12 more are expected to enter the ranks of the planet's megacities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/infographics/2014-09-09/global-megacities-by-2030.html
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« Reply #532 on: December 06, 2014, 05:11:47 PM »
Bloomberg:  Can cinnamon-infused crickets save the US Rust Belt?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-05/can-cinnamon-infused-crickets-save-the-rust-belt-.html
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« Reply #533 on: December 07, 2014, 02:43:59 AM »
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You probably know [more] vegetarians than you used to. You may even know some vegans—people who eat no animal products, including eggs, butter, milk and cheese. But did you know that their dietary habits may be essential to save the planet? A new research paper from UK think tank Chatham House, Livestock—Climate Change’s Forgotten Sector, explains why it may be necessary for a lot more people to go vegetarian or at least dial down their consumption of meat and dairy products, and how to get them to do that.
http://ecowatch.com/2014/12/05/eat-less-meat-dairy-curb-climate-change/
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« Reply #535 on: December 14, 2014, 08:59:28 PM »
Would you pay more for chocolate now, to better ensure a sufficient supply?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102264355
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« Reply #537 on: December 16, 2014, 08:18:15 PM »
Bruce (if you are still hanging around here)  thought you would find this article of the New England fishing industry very interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/15/us/waters-warm-in-gulf-of-maine-and-cod-catch-ebbs.html?smid=tw-nytimes
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« Reply #538 on: December 16, 2014, 09:05:46 PM »
JimD, I am here still, glad to see you hanging around still.
The article says the increase in the  lobster catch is partly due to a decrease in predators. One of those predators is the vanishing cod.  It also says we fishermen don't trust the science however our management is science based. Some of us both follow the science and to a degree participate in data collection to make good science possible. We critique the science and ultimately help pay for it, or a portion of it anyway. We send support letters to agencies pleading to maintain decent long term data-sets ( not an easy thing in a 3 year grant cycle ) and try to maintain a good buoy network. And any fisherman knocking the science most certainly watches the weather satellites. That is they choose which science they prefer and since they prefer not to die they do watch the weather.   

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« Reply #539 on: December 17, 2014, 04:00:29 AM »
Low oil price -> ruble collapse -> low domestic price for Russian wheat -> more wheat exported for higher price.  Russia increases wheat price to keep supplies in country.  "“The government needs to offer a price to be able compete with exporters."
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"Russia starts to boost wheat stockpiles after foreign buyers take advantage of weakening currency"
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-16/russia-planning-to-boost-wheat-stockpiles-as-food-costs-soar.html
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« Reply #540 on: December 17, 2014, 09:44:26 AM »
Obama Indefinitely Bans Drilling in Alaskan Bay
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/us/obama-indefinitely-bans-drilling-in-alaskan-bay.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

See it is possible to ban oil extraction to protect a food supply...should be possible to ban coal, oil and gaz everywhere to protect our food supply also...

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« Reply #541 on: December 18, 2014, 03:23:53 PM »
More on the non-organic found in large scale organic agriculture.  ugly

Many pictures - this is what organic looks like in Cosco, WalMart and all of your other big retailers.  Organic done like this is not meaningfully different than any other CAFO operation.  You may as well save your money.  As a former organic farmer I can verify that almost all of what you see marketed as 'organic' would fail to meet any reasonable definition put forth by advocates for sustainable farming practices.  It is almost all fully industrial.  True organic is sustainable farming and cannot support many more people than those doing the farming themselves.

http://www.cornucopia.org/organic-factory-farm-investigation/

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« Reply #542 on: December 18, 2014, 05:42:53 PM »

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« Reply #543 on: December 19, 2014, 10:08:36 PM »
Major coral bleaching in Pacific may become worst die-off in 20 years, say experts
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/dec/19/major-coral-bleaching-pacific-may-worst-20-years

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« Reply #544 on: December 22, 2014, 08:55:54 PM »
Climate change will leave a sour taste in our mouths - literally: Study shows ocean acidification affects the flavour of shellfish
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2883879/Climate-change-leave-prawns-tasting-sour-ocean-acidification-gives-shrimps-bad-flavour.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490


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« Reply #546 on: December 23, 2014, 12:46:06 PM »

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« Reply #547 on: December 23, 2014, 05:20:51 PM »
Are you going to eat that?
Cities increase recyclables, including leftover food, and see garbage decrease.  Also: biochar.
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/are-you-gonna-eat-future-recycling-n273771
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« Reply #548 on: December 24, 2014, 03:28:00 AM »
California demanding better conditions for chickens.  Less industrial?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-23/california-s-humane-chicken-act-complicates-u-s-farm-law.html
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