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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1750 on: January 24, 2018, 09:51:04 AM »
Wet and cozy.
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1751 on: January 24, 2018, 04:18:39 PM »
If current storm waves are moving 620-ton boulders then just image what future storm waves will do:

Cox et al (February 2018), "Extraordinary boulder transport by storm waves (west of Ireland, winter 2013–2014), and criteria for analysing coastal boulder deposits", Earth-Science Reviews, Volume 177, Pages 623-636, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.earscirev.2017.12.014

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012825217302350

Abstract: "Before-and-after photos of supratidal coastal boulder deposits (CBD) in the west of Ireland show that storms in the winter of 2013–2014 transported boulders at elevations up to 29 m above high water, and at inland distances up to 222 m. Among the clasts transported are eighteen weighing more than 50 t, six of which exceed 100 t. The largest boulder moved during those storms weighs a fairly astonishing 620 t.
The boulders moved in these recent storms provide pinning points for mapping storm-wave energies on coasts: their topographic positions mark elevations and distances inland reached by wave energies sufficient to dislocate those specific masses. Taken together, the CBD data reveal general relationships that shed light on storm-wave hydrodynamics. These include a robust correlation (inverse exponential) between maximum boulder mass transported and emplacement height above high water: the greater the elevation, the smaller the maximum boulder size, with a dependency exponent of about -0.2 times the elevation (in metres). There is a similar relationship, although with a much smaller rate-of-change (exponent -0.02), between boulder mass and distance inland, which holds from the shoreline in to about 120 m. Coastal steepness (calculated as the ratio of elevation to inland distance) seems to exert the strongest control, with an inverse power-law relationship between maximum boulder mass and slope ratio: the more gentle the topography, the larger the moved boulders.
Quantifying CBD dynamics helps us understand the transmission of wave energies inshore during high-energy storm events. The transported boulders documented here are larger than many of those interpreted to have been moved by tsunami in other locations, which means that boulder size alone cannot be used as a criterion for distinguishing between tsunami and storm emplacement of CBD. The biggest blocks—up to 620 t—are new maxima for boulder mass transported by storm waves. We predict, however, that this record will not last long: the 2013–2014 storms were strong but not extreme, and there are larger boulders in these deposits that didn't move on this occasion. Bigger storms will surely move larger clasts, and clasts at greater distances from the shoreline. These measurements and relationships emphasise the extreme power of storm waves impacting exposed coastlines, and require us to rethink the upper limits of storm wave energy at coasts."
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1752 on: January 24, 2018, 04:49:36 PM »
Did you not just post a rebuttal of the previous paper by Cox, et. al. which stated a central estimate of ECS of 2.8, with a 1-sigma confidence range of 2.2-3.4?  Your post stated, "They provide a nice idealised and theoretical description, but they should not be interpreted as an accurate reflection of the real world." 

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« Reply #1753 on: January 24, 2018, 04:53:56 PM »
Not the same Cox...
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« Reply #1754 on: January 24, 2018, 05:38:47 PM »
If current storm waves are moving 620-ton boulders then just image what future storm waves will do:

Cox et al (February 2018), "Extraordinary boulder transport by storm waves (west of Ireland, winter 2013–2014), and criteria for analysing coastal boulder deposits", Earth-Science Reviews, Volume 177, Pages 623-636, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.earscirev.2017.12.014

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012825217302350
Here is a picture from the article showing the cliff edges scrubbed clean by wave action.  The storms moving boulders 30 m above AHW is astounding to me.
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Fig. 1. Coastal boulder deposits (CBD) in different settings. Arrows indicate people (adults) for scale. A. Cliff-top CBD at locations 68–69 (Fig. 3, Supplementary Table 1) on Inishmaan. The cliffs in this field of view are above high water, and the seaward edge of the boulder ridge is 32–42 m inland from the cliff edge. B. Locations 47–49 on Inishmaan are at the back of a broad, gently sloping coastal platform. The seaward edge of the boulder ridge is 10–11 m AHW and 150–160 m inland, and the ridge itself is about 3 m tall. The paler-coloured bedrock at the toe of the boulder pile was newly exposed when this CBD migrated inland by 1–2 m in winter 2013–2014. The large isolated boulder in the foreground (with person next to it) has mass ≈ 19 t
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1755 on: January 24, 2018, 07:04:39 PM »
Not the same Cox...

Both are listed as Peter Cox.

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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1756 on: January 24, 2018, 07:33:38 PM »
(referenced up thread) Extraordinary boulder transport by storm waves (west of Ireland, winter 2013–2014), and criteria for analysing coastal boulder deposits

Peter Cox
Geosciences Department, Williams College, Williamstown, MA 01267, United States


(referenced by ASLR here) Emergent constraint on equilibrium climate sensitivity from global temperature variability

Peter M. Cox
College of Engineering, Mathematics and Physical Science, University of Exeter, Exeter EX4 4QF, UK

Yes:  different Peters!
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1757 on: January 24, 2018, 10:27:49 PM »
(referenced up thread) Extraordinary boulder transport by storm waves (west of Ireland, winter 2013–2014), and criteria for analysing coastal boulder deposits

Peter Cox
Geosciences Department, Williams College, Williamstown, MA 01267, United States


(referenced by ASLR here) Emergent constraint on equilibrium climate sensitivity from global temperature variability

Peter M. Cox
College of Engineering, Mathematics and Physical Science, University of Exeter, Exeter EX4 4QF, UK

Yes:  different Peters!

And don't forget Peter Cox from the Go West Institute, famous for writing the 'We Close Our Eyes' paper:

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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1758 on: January 24, 2018, 10:28:15 PM »
(referenced up thread) Extraordinary boulder transport by storm waves (west of Ireland, winter 2013–2014), and criteria for analysing coastal boulder deposits

Peter Cox
Geosciences Department, Williams College, Williamstown, MA 01267, United States


(referenced by ASLR here) Emergent constraint on equilibrium climate sensitivity from global temperature variability

Peter M. Cox
College of Engineering, Mathematics and Physical Science, University of Exeter, Exeter EX4 4QF, UK

Yes:  different Peters!

Thank you.  I stand corrected.

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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1759 on: January 30, 2018, 05:15:17 PM »
NEW ZEALAND HAVING A HOT SUMMER

SST Anomaly image below.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/30/new-zealand-heatwave-health-alerts-scramble-fans

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Temperatures have soared above 37C (98.6F) in parts of the South Island, with records broken in Dunedin, Wanaka, Christchurch and many other cities and towns.

Temperatures are expected to peak on Tuesday or Wednesday around the high 30s or 40C mark – highs that are proving particularly challenging for school children as many New Zealand classrooms are equipped with heaters but not air conditioners.

Ben Noll, a meteorologist from the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (Niwa), said unusually warm sea temperatures were the major factor contributing to the heatwave, as the mainland experienced a dramatic rise in land temperatures as soon as the sea rose above average. Niwa has recorded seas of 24C to 26C around Auckland, compared with 18C to 22C at the same time last year.

New Zealand was tracking towards its warmest January on record, Noll said, with high temperatures expected to continue into February.

He added: “In New Zealand its quite rare to get above 30C or even 35C, so New Zealanders are finding this tough because it’s not something they’re accustomed to.
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1760 on: January 31, 2018, 05:02:31 AM »
Those SST anomalies cannot be solar energy related. It has to be related to ocean currents. WTF is going on?

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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1761 on: January 31, 2018, 05:48:32 AM »
 
NEW ZEALAND HAVING A HOT SUMMER

SST Anomaly image below.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/30/new-zealand-heatwave-health-alerts-scramble-fans


If I cared enough I'd possibly learn how to do those animated gifs or other movies now and make a suggestive film claiming the North Pacific Hot Blob took a dive under waters raised by El Nino, and resurfaced on a nice location. But this would be deemed as false info without any additional calculations, so I better leave this thought alone at least until some true scientist connects the dots (which may not be the one described, but could have something to do with Indian Ocean.)

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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1762 on: January 31, 2018, 05:57:23 AM »

"La Niña conditions at sea since spring had increased ocean temperatures, making it harder for birds to find fish."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/101035064/hundreds-of-dead-and-starving-seabirds-wash-up-on-tasman-beaches

+ CC amplificatioon of course
Clare, wilting here in the East coast of the North Island with 32C today, and we are not even getting up to those South Island temps.

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« Reply #1763 on: January 31, 2018, 06:27:32 AM »

"La Niña conditions at sea since spring had increased ocean temperatures, making it harder for birds to find fish."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/101035064/hundreds-of-dead-and-starving-seabirds-wash-up-on-tasman-beaches

+ CC amplificatioon of course
Clare, wilting here in the East coast of the North Island with 32C today, and we are not even getting up to those South Island temps.

Ok, this interpretation of La Nina manifesting herself this far south of tropics should of course be accounted for in the explanation.


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« Reply #1764 on: January 31, 2018, 08:30:42 AM »
Probably this is a better type of report, an official one with January presumably due soon:
https://www.niwa.co.nz/climate/monthly/climate-summary-for-december-2017

"Overview
December 2017 was characterised by higher than normal sea level pressure over New Zealand and the surrounding seas. This pressure setup, consistent with La Niña conditions, resulted in long periods of dry, settled, and very warm weather across the country throughout the month."

Clare still wilting, sometimes it would be nice to have some aircon..... :(

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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1765 on: January 31, 2018, 10:47:13 AM »
Those SST anomalies cannot be solar energy related. It has to be related to ocean currents. WTF is going on?
Maybe this question is relevant to the oceans temperature thread.
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1612.msg139358.html#msg139358
The tremendous amount of heat stored in oceans is bound to show off at some point.

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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1766 on: January 31, 2018, 06:07:06 PM »
This is not normal behavior for Arctic weather:

Title: "Wild Arctic weather: Siberian temperatures swing 100 degrees Fahrenheit in 2 weeks"

https://mashable.com/2018/01/30/wild-arctic-weather-siberia-temperatures-warm-100-degrees/#KtEFz8y3kgqw
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1767 on: February 01, 2018, 11:07:41 AM »
January is over, pretty normal and nothing to get exited about.
A cold spell is coming though, but 2/3 of the "winter" months are already gone.
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« Reply #1768 on: February 01, 2018, 11:53:24 AM »
January is over, pretty normal and nothing to get exited about.
A cold spell is coming though, but 2/3 of the "winter" months are already gone.

Across the Baltic, we're also getting near normal with the foot (25-30cm) of snow projected from this system. Cleared half of the yard 2 hours ago and in couple of hours I guess it's time to do it again. Or maybe I'll wait until tomorrow evening when this should have stopped. Gotta make sure I've got enough hot water for a shower afterwards.

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« Reply #1769 on: February 01, 2018, 04:48:27 PM »
This is not normal behavior for Arctic weather:

Title: "Wild Arctic weather: Siberian temperatures swing 100 degrees Fahrenheit in 2 weeks"

https://mashable.com/2018/01/30/wild-arctic-weather-siberia-temperatures-warm-100-degrees/#KtEFz8y3kgqw

Here in Dawson City Yukon, our low for January was -43.2 on the 9th. On the 16th, we reached our high...+3.5. Minus 40 in January is pretty normal here, +3.5 is definitely not, but these whiplash variations are a characteristic of the ultra continental climate we enjoy.

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« Reply #1770 on: February 02, 2018, 09:28:22 AM »
During a short conversation today, I made the following list. Let's see if someone in here can spot something that a denier never would. ;)

The negative temperature records for Götaland (pic below):
January    -38,5°C 1918
February  -38,3°C 1966
March       -37,0°C 1888
April         -25,5°C 1942
May            -12°C 1917
June          -7,5°C 1907
July           -3,5°C 1902
August      -5,5°C 1899
September -10°C 1902
October      -20°C 1925
November  -27°C 1901
December  -35°C 1915
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« Reply #1771 on: February 02, 2018, 01:51:34 PM »
Area bigger than Victoria isolated in Kimberley after floods leave highway underwater
Emily Jane Smith, Friday February 2, 2018 - 09:15 EDT
Roebuck is beginning to look more like an inland ocean than a floodplain. - ABC
An area twice the size of Victoria has been cut off in Western Australia's Kimberley region after a severe storm decimated the only highway servicing the region.
The Kimberley received record rainfall in January, including , flooding the Great Northern Highway and sweeping away bitumen.
"This is the worst I've seen it. I've been working in the Kimberley since the year 2000," Main Roads roadworks manager Frank Morgan said.
About 100km of the road between Broome and Derby has been damaged, with another 12km still underwater near Roebuck Plains south of Broome.
The most significant damage is at Logue River near Willare, where water engulfed the bridge, washing away the road and the railing.
The Great Northern Highway is the only road connecting the Kimberley to the rest of Western Australia.
It has been closed since Monday and Main Roads expects the road will not be open until Saturday morning, leaving residents and workers unable to enter or leave the Kimberley.
As the severe storm swept through the west Kimberley on Monday, truck drivers became stranded at roadhouses.
"I'm in my 60s and I've never seen so much water fall out of the sky in 24 hours," he said.
"I've been trucking up here for 40-odd years and I've never seen a storm come through like this."
https://thewest.com.au/news/severe-weather/broome-flooding-amazing-video-shows-drivers-ploughing-through-ocean-of-water-ng-b88729159z

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« Reply #1772 on: February 02, 2018, 05:39:12 PM »
This is a disturbing forecast, especially since it hints at accelerating Arctic Amplification:

Title: "Extremely Warm Cyclone Predicted to Drive 50-60 F Above Average Temperatures Across North Pole"

https://robertscribbler.com/2018/01/31/extremely-warm-cyclone-predicted-to-drive-50-60-f-above-average-temperatures-across-north-pole/

Extract: "During this time, a powerful 950 to 960 mb low is expected to develop over Baffin Bay. Hurling hurricane force gusts running from the south and digging deep across the North Atlantic, Barents, and Arctic Ocean, the low is projected to drive a knife of 50-60 F above average temperatures toward the North Pole by February 5th.

These warm winds are predicted to bring above freezing temperatures to areas that typically see -20 to -30 F readings in February. They are expected to rage over a sea ice pack that is at record low levels. And if the storm emerges, it will hammer that same dwindling ice pack with 20 to 25 foot or higher surf.

As with any five day forecast, we can take this one with more than just a grain of salt at the present time. But such an extreme event is entirely possible during the present age of human-forced climate change. During late December of 2015, we identified a predicted major storm that ultimately drove North Pole temperatures to above freezing. At the time, that storm was considered unusual if not unprecedented. However, since February is typically a colder period for the North Pole region, a warm storm drawing above freezing air into that zone would be even more unusual. It would also be a feature of the larger trend of loss of typical seasonal winter weather that we’ve been experiencing for some time now."
This is a disturbing forecast:

Title: "Extremely Warm Cyclone Predicted to Drive 50-60 F Above Average Temperatures Across North Pole"

https://robertscribbler.com/2018/01/31/extremely-warm-cyclone-predicted-to-drive-50-60-f-above-average-temperatures-across-north-pole/

Extract: "During this time, a powerful 950 to 960 mb low is expected to develop over Baffin Bay. Hurling hurricane force gusts running from the south and digging deep across the North Atlantic, Barents, and Arctic Ocean, the low is projected to drive a knife of 50-60 F above average temperatures toward the North Pole by February 5th.

These warm winds are predicted to bring above freezing temperatures to areas that typically see -20 to -30 F readings in February. They are expected to rage over a sea ice pack that is at record low levels. And if the storm emerges, it will hammer that same dwindling ice pack with 20 to 25 foot or higher surf.

As with any five day forecast, we can take this one with more than just a grain of salt at the present time. But such an extreme event is entirely possible during the present age of human-forced climate change. During late December of 2015, we identified a predicted major storm that ultimately drove North Pole temperatures to above freezing. At the time, that storm was considered unusual if not unprecedented. However, since February is typically a colder period for the North Pole region, a warm storm drawing above freezing air into that zone would be even more unusual. It would also be a feature of the larger trend of loss of typical seasonal winter weather that we’ve been experiencing for some time now."
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« Reply #1773 on: February 02, 2018, 10:31:22 PM »
This is a disturbing forecast, especially since it hints at accelerating Arctic Amplification:

Title: "Extremely Warm Cyclone Predicted to Drive 50-60 F Above Average Temperatures Across North Pole"

https://robertscribbler.com/2018/01/31/extremely-warm-cyclone-predicted-to-drive-50-60-f-above-average-temperatures-across-north-pole/
Time to open the melting thread?
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« Reply #1774 on: February 02, 2018, 10:42:50 PM »
This is a disturbing forecast, especially since it hints at accelerating Arctic Amplification:

Title: "Extremely Warm Cyclone Predicted to Drive 50-60 F Above Average Temperatures Across North Pole"

https://robertscribbler.com/2018/01/31/extremely-warm-cyclone-predicted-to-drive-50-60-f-above-average-temperatures-across-north-pole/
Time to open the melting thread?
Nope. The storm is forecast as a 3 day event. 45 days to go (on average) to extent maximum
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« Reply #1775 on: February 04, 2018, 04:15:28 PM »
 Sleepy, please send some of your weather over here.  They could use the precip.

“Huge region of record high temperatures again today across most of California, extending into Oregon and all the way east into Colorado. I have to admit: it's pretty surreal how summer-like it has felt lately in Los Angeles. And there's no end in sight. #CAwx #ORwx #IDwx #NVwx ”
https://twitter.com/Weather_West/status/959559636679499776
Additional image showing regional temperature anomaly at the link.
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« Reply #1776 on: February 05, 2018, 09:19:54 PM »
“Baked Alaska, anyone? The state just had its hottest December ever recorded (a full 15.7°F [8.7°C] above the twentieth-century average)”
https://twitter.com/climatereality/status/960130098514092033
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« Reply #1777 on: February 06, 2018, 01:11:58 PM »
Maybe I should print out and frame this?
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« Reply #1778 on: February 06, 2018, 07:49:02 PM »
Seattle, Washington.

‘Extreme’ rainstorms becoming more common in Seattle, says city meteorologist
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Attention, Seattle residents: Have you noticed more steady, long-lasting rainstorms in a city better known for gray skies, short showers and drizzle? Turns out you’re on to something.

Over the last 15 years, the city’s had more extreme rain, according to a new study by Seattle Public Utilities (SPU) officials, who say the weather is a climate-change preview.

“This confirms our anecdotal evidence,” said James Rufo-Hill, an SPU meteorologist. “For years, people have been saying, ‘I think the rain is getting worse around here,’ and now the data shows that.”
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/weather/extreme-rainstorms-becoming-more-common-in-seattle-says-city-meteorologist/
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« Reply #1779 on: February 07, 2018, 07:41:35 AM »
This is news, nowadays.  ::)
First National IceDay - in two years
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6880803

IceDay = T < 0°C over the entire day.
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« Reply #1780 on: February 07, 2018, 02:21:22 PM »
This is news, nowadays.  ::)
First National IceDay - in two years
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6880803

IceDay = T < 0°C over the entire day.
Someone just claimed in Fb that southern coasts in Finland have 4 weeks of proper winter nowadays, down from four months in 1960s.

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« Reply #1781 on: February 07, 2018, 04:27:39 PM »
I'm not surprised Pmt, there were some severe winters in the 60's. 1966 (strong El Nino 65-66) was brutal and winter started in October and early November, that was also the most recent record cold February for Götaland in my little list of records above:
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?topic=323.msg140809#msg140809
Found a nice image from Åmål in 1966. :)
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1782 on: February 07, 2018, 07:52:42 PM »
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Let me have a guess: That tiny fellow in the picture is you - about four years old?

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« Reply #1783 on: February 07, 2018, 07:57:00 PM »
It could have been me, but it's not. ;)
The picture is from an old news story about that winter.
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« Reply #1784 on: February 07, 2018, 08:11:37 PM »
Yay sleepy, F***ing Åmål, there aren't even proper winters anymore!

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« Reply #1785 on: February 07, 2018, 08:26:22 PM »
Yay sleepy, F***ing Åmål, there aren't even proper winters anymore!
But our springs are getting (even) better!  :-X
Mean from 35 stations for March, April and May.
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« Reply #1786 on: February 08, 2018, 03:08:18 AM »
I  assume those 7 degrees reflects the dfference between having snow on the ground or not.

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« Reply #1787 on: February 08, 2018, 08:26:59 AM »
Yeah, it's enough with a lot less than that in some places. In the most southern parts we sometimes go from autumn to spring, skipping winter altogether.
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« Reply #1788 on: February 09, 2018, 09:56:44 AM »
Some wintery photos. Old football field in the forest, still occasionally cleared of saplings, 40 years of unmanaging shores of a stream (ditch) and the optional path to-and-from school 40 years ago.

The most notable changes are the height of trees and relatively low amount of snow. Also the ditch hasn't frozen solid, so me in youth would guess these would bebof december or early january. :P 8)
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« Reply #1789 on: February 09, 2018, 11:43:49 AM »
Since this thread covers anecdotal stories about climate change I tried to make a piece of an old writing understandable in English, it's written in old Swedish.  :-X

First a short quote from the Arctic Café thread.
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Reading old writings (from Lindome, Gothenburg); in 1887 the ice thawed on lakes around 1 May. During winter 1888 the papers wrote about eight metre high snow banks in Skåne and in Ystad some had to climb out through their roofs. Some who tried to walk on top of the snow crust, where tripped by telephone wires. Etc etc. Don't think a modern Krakatoa would be able to replicate any of that.

The following is the first section from that writing by Alfred Jönsson in 1929.
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When it comes to strong and harsh winters, older chronicles have a lot to tell.
In 764 the entire Black Sea and Dardanelles froze to 30 inch depth (89 cm) and 801
up to 50 inches or close to 1 1/2 metres.
However, this information must be taken with a grain if salt.
In 860 the Adriatic Sea was frozen.
1130 Southern Rhone and Po.
In 1468, when Charles the Bold's warriors were awarded wine rations, they had to use an ax.
In 1493, the port at Genoa was frozen.
1507 port at Marseille.
In 1544 the wine in the cellars of whole of France froze and had to be cut up with an ax.
1594 the sea at Marseille and Venice froze, as well in 1622.
1658 a tremendous cold continued throughout France from December 24th to 18 February.
1684 heavily loaded wagons went across the River Thames in London.
In 1767 the temperature in Paris fell to -20 degrees Celsius and in 1830 in Stuttgart to -36 degrees.

Of greater interest for us, however, are the notifications from strict winter cold that has prevailed in Sweden and its neighborhood.
In 1040 the wolves walked from Norway to Denmark over the frozen Kattegatt.
In 1292 one could ride from Oslo to Jutland over the ice.
1322 they rode from Lübeck to Copenhagen and from Königsberg to Lübeck. Inns were set up on the ice, but were swallowed by the waves after a sudden storm and powerful currents.
1424, 1507 and 1545 they traveled on the ice from Mecklenburg to Denmark.
In 1658 King Carl X marched across the Belts with his army, this winter was cold throughout Europe.
1676 and 1740, they traveled again without danger from Rostock, Vismar and Lübeck to Copenhagen.

The strangest winter in terms of its duration and strong cold was above of all others 1459, were the historians wrote that you could travel across the Baltic Sea from Stockholm to Reval and from Karlskrona to Memel. These distances are 760 to 800 kilometres. The winter was so cold that you could drive a horse and a sledge anywhere over the Baltic Sea. Some chronologists indicate that the same kind of winter took place in 1322, but this is not as well covered, as the winter of 1459.

This is from the fourth part of Alfred Jönssons writings and it was only the first page of 88. Only some of it are about our winters.

We had five days of colder anomalies in the southern parts. Back to the new normal yesterday.
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #1790 on: February 09, 2018, 12:49:09 PM »
Here in Northern Ireland we woke to the 11th snowfall of winter .. 10 more than last year with several more in the long range forecast .. our proximity to Greenland has certainly been evident this year . All our snow has come on west winds .
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« Reply #1791 on: February 09, 2018, 01:37:49 PM »
Sleepy, great info!!! Thank you for the translation.  In my memories there has never been a time where any Mediterranean port has frozen....

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« Reply #1792 on: February 09, 2018, 02:50:48 PM »
Glad someone liked it, DrTskoul! A few years back I tried to find older climate or weather related stories and there's plenty more outhere, but that's not science.

Imagine how persistent and cold winters would have been to freeze those waters over? We should still be there. Adding the law dome ice cores and also attaching the last part of this (somewhat funnier) timeline below: https://xkcd.com/1732/
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« Reply #1793 on: February 09, 2018, 06:17:03 PM »
Since this thread covers anecdotal stories about climate change I tried to make a piece of an old writing understandable in English, it's written in old Swedish.  :-X

First a short quote from the Arctic Café thread.
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Reading old writings (from Lindome, Gothenburg); in 1887 the ice thawed on lakes around 1 May. During winter 1888 the papers wrote about eight metre high snow banks in Skåne and in Ystad some had to climb out through their roofs. Some who tried to walk on top of the snow crust, where tripped by telephone wires. Etc etc. Don't think a modern Krakatoa would be able to replicate any of that.
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Once upon a time I had a book - "The Sea Around Us" by Rachel Carson (yes - her of "Silent Spring" written as she was dying), published 1951. In it is an entire chapter on retreat of Arctic Sea Ice, and references going back a good many years to ice-free days in Norwegian harbours (no ice- breakers back then).

It even has theories about the cause - not Global warming.

This wonderful book I lent out and saw it no more. But by golly and by gosh, it is a wonderful read.
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« Reply #1794 on: February 09, 2018, 06:40:55 PM »

Hullo Sleepy,

Once upon a time I had a book - "The Sea Around Us" by Rachel Carson (yes - her of "Silent Spring" written as she was dying), published 1951. In it is an entire chapter on retreat of Arctic Sea Ice, and references going back a good many years to ice-free days in Norwegian harbours (no ice- breakers back then).

It even has theories about the cause - not Global warming.

This wonderful book I lent out and saw it no more. But by golly and by gosh, it is a wonderful read.

If you can utilize a US online retailer, a replacement copy seems fairly affordable:
http://booksamillion.com/search?id=7181978532705&query=%22%22The+Sea+Around+Us%22++%22Rachel+Carson%22

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« Reply #1795 on: February 09, 2018, 07:20:56 PM »

Hullo Sleepy,

Once upon a time I had a book - "The Sea Around Us" by Rachel Carson (yes - her of "Silent Spring" written as she was dying), published 1951. In it is an entire chapter on retreat of Arctic Sea Ice, and references going back a good many years to ice-free days in Norwegian harbours (no ice- breakers back then).

It even has theories about the cause - not Global warming.

This wonderful book I lent out and saw it no more. But by golly and by gosh, it is a wonderful read.

If you can utilize a US online retailer, a replacement copy seems fairly affordable:
http://booksamillion.com/search?id=7181978532705&query=%22%22The+Sea+Around+Us%22++%22Rachel+Carson%22
But it was a first edition - weep!
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« Reply #1796 on: February 09, 2018, 07:25:17 PM »
"The Sea Around Us"- I have a copy- is a great illustration of how science has evolved. Even someone as brilliant and forward thinking as Carson could be wrong about global warming. It really struck me, last time I read it, how, while the "correct" science was available, she had not picked up on it. To be absolutely clear, Rachel Carson is my heroine; she changed my life.

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« Reply #1798 on: February 09, 2018, 08:34:37 PM »
282 cm of snow in Morocco.



https://watchers.news/2018/02/09/southern-morocco-snow-sahara/

No way those reported snowfall amounts are correct. The photos seem to show depths more like mm instead of cm but even that visually seems to be over estimates.

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« Reply #1799 on: February 09, 2018, 09:37:41 PM »
282 cm of snow in Morocco.



https://watchers.news/2018/02/09/southern-morocco-snow-sahara/

No way those reported snowfall amounts are correct. The photos seem to show depths more like mm instead of cm but even that visually seems to be over estimates.

Moroccan news reported snow depths ranging from 40-200 cm.  This closed many roads, particularly in the south.  Their weather service is forecasting another 25 cm.