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The 2022/2023 freezing season
« on: September 19, 2022, 03:08:01 PM »
I think it's time to call it.

Here's the 365 day HYCOM gif to start off a new season.
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2022, 05:34:29 PM »
Thanks. I prefer to wait another day or two for the switchover, the thread can remain but not stickied.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2022, 08:17:55 AM »
On to freezing. The very useful AWI SIC-Leads animation shows freezing of the previously-open water near the Pole, and in the CAB sections facing the Chukchi, the New Siberian islands and Severnaya Zemliya. The Greenand Sea also appears to be solidifying.
Elsewhere, Lincoln sea ice still flowing down the Nares but is no longer melting out immediately, and the CAA sort-of Garlic Press continuing but exported ice is slowly taking a foothold in previously open water.
Meanwhile, southern Beaufort still seems weak and southern ESS still somewhat melting.
DMI N of 80 chart shows the temperature drop that's behind the freezing in the central CAB.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2022, 12:17:30 PM »
September 16-20.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2022, 12:35:51 PM »
Meanwhile I'm still intrigued to see what effect ex Typhoon Merbok has on the sea ice in the ESS:

https://GreatWhiteCon.info/2022/09/facts-about-the-arctic-in-september-2022/#Sep-18

However the refreeze north of Chukchi/Beaufort is very evident in this close up animation!

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2022, 04:04:02 PM »
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It looks like the Gyre is getting fired up early this year with a turbo boost... Not sure how the ice will react to this, other then that the last of the MYI will start to move towards the Beaufort sea already.
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2022, 12:35:29 AM »
Looks like the remains of Hurricane Fiona will be traveling up Baffin Bay early next week which could be interesting.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2022, 11:57:31 AM »
September 18-22.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2022, 09:43:09 AM »
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I added the 30 day HYCOM, which shows how the MYI is moving towards to Beaufort sea with this strong wind. There it'll have a bigger chance to get caught into the Beaufort gyre during winter, giving us a similar situation like we had in 2020/21 with the flute playing mouse...

Curious to see if that tick ice in the Lincoln sea will be able to block the Nares strait this winter.
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2022, 01:35:14 PM »
September 20-24.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2022, 04:47:12 PM »
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I added the 30 day HYCOM, which shows how the MYI is moving towards to Beaufort sea with this strong wind. There it'll have a bigger chance to get caught into the Beaufort gyre during winter, giving us a similar situation like we had in 2020/21 with the flute playing mouse...

Curious to see if that tick ice in the Lincoln sea will be able to block the Nares strait this winter.
Unfortunately that thick ice does not exist in the Lincoln, and is a model artifact, IMO. Lincoln has been exporting down the Nares all year, and the remaining Greenland ex-fast ice is about to wash down the strait as we speak. The Nares is hard to model due to its narrow width and the typical coarseness of grid resolutions.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2022, 06:10:20 PM »
     Does the opening of the GL megacrack (lifting of land-fast ice from shore) increase Nares export?
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2022, 10:01:05 PM »
NOAA ESRL initial and then 5 day forecast image indicating that the older "pink" thick ice (>1.6m thick) is sliding down towards the Beaufort. Likely to melt there next summer as the Beaufort is no longer capable of retaining old ice.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2022, 10:47:43 PM »
AWI SIC-Leads animation.

Every week I post this and stare at the Lincoln-Nares export machine. It's been going on nonstop.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2022, 11:07:09 PM »
AWI SIC-Leads animation.

Every week I post this and stare at the Lincoln-Nares export machine. It's been going on nonstop.
I love these animations Oren, and the movement of the thick MYI towards the beaufort sea is clearly visible now. Later on in the freezing season, that ice will have a lot less freedom to move as it's being pinned against the coast by the rest of the ice pack. So the distance it moves right now matters.

Nares transport is indeed making it unlikely that there's thick ice in the Lincoln sea like HYCOM is showing.
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2022, 11:55:27 PM »
Weather: An early disruption event is starting for the Polar Vortex, with pressure anomalies setting the stage for something bigger later in Winter

https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/polar-vortex-early-disruptive-event-winter-influence-united-states-europe-fa/

"But besides directly affecting the Polar Vortex, the pressure anomalies in the next days/weeks will also put another process in motion that can be even more disruptive for the Winter polar circulation. You will see how having more snow in October can mean more snow and cold in the Winter."



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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2022, 11:06:20 AM »
A fresh satellite photo of the Vil'kitsky Strait. Would this be considered officially the closing of the Northeast Passage this year?

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2022, 12:48:24 PM »
September 22-28.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2022, 04:43:02 PM »
Looks from Aluminium's animation like the Northern Sea Route is just about to close, if it hasn't already.  Is it that happening a bit earlier this year compared to recent years?

EDIT - I'm sorry Baltic Dweller, I scrolled up to check and still missed your post.  Thanks for the detailed image...
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2022, 05:46:11 PM »
A fresh satellite photo of the Vil'kitsky Strait. Would this be considered officially the closing of the Northeast Passage this year?

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As you can see the same issue was raised by phelan.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2022, 06:12:20 PM »
Looks from Aluminium's animation like the Northern Sea Route is just about to close, if it hasn't already.

It's not quite there yet:

https://GreatWhiteCon.info/2022/06/the-northern-sea-route-in-2022/#Sep-29

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2022, 12:03:28 PM »
September 26-30.

September 1-30 (fast).

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2022, 11:01:33 AM »
GFS forecasting a 960hPa low over north Chukchi on friday with 70km/h southerly near Barrow Canyon.

https://stratobserve.com/misc_vort3d

windy ecmwf a little earlier at 961hPa
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2022, 11:17:33 AM »
Could we call it now, Jim? The green pixel adjacent to the Taymyr Peninsula coast, according to the NASA Worldview tool, is at 62% sea ice concentration according to the AMSR2 sensor.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2022, 02:24:03 PM »
GFS forecasting a 960hPa low over north Chukchi on friday with 70km/h southerly near Barrow Canyon.

https://stratobserve.com/misc_vort3d

Expect 5m waves and a lot of ocean heat pumping up to the ocean surface.
This can contribute to late Chukchi refreeze but I am not sure it is bad for ice. Very strong storm over open ocean extracts a lot of heat that had entered via Bering Strait -> heat will be vented out during the Arctic autumn even before the ocean refreezes.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2022, 04:36:06 PM »
GFS forecasting a 960hPa low over north Chukchi on friday with 70km/h southerly near Barrow Canyon.

https://stratobserve.com/misc_vort3d

Expect 5m waves and a lot of ocean heat pumping up to the ocean surface.
This can contribute to late Chukchi refreeze but I am not sure it is bad for ice. Very strong storm over open ocean extracts a lot of heat that had entered via Bering Strait -> heat will be vented out during the Arctic autumn even before the ocean refreezes.

I was thinking more about eddy formation in the Barrow Canyon but will there be much ocean cooling this early in the season with southerly winds and air temps between -3C and +3C?

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2022, 05:53:28 PM »
GFS forecasting a 960hPa low over north Chukchi on friday with 70km/h southerly near Barrow Canyon.

https://stratobserve.com/misc_vort3d

Expect 5m waves and a lot of ocean heat pumping up to the ocean surface.
This can contribute to late Chukchi refreeze but I am not sure it is bad for ice. Very strong storm over open ocean extracts a lot of heat that had entered via Bering Strait -> heat will be vented out during the Arctic autumn even before the ocean refreezes.

I was thinking more about eddy formation in the Barrow Canyon but will there be much ocean cooling this early in the season with southerly winds and air temps between -3C and +3C?

Eddy formation that could lead to trapped heat being transported very long distances and affecting the ice is what you’re up to? (Sorry, just that I am not following…).

Also the previous point I did is not very clear. Yes this strong low will pull heat from the ocean to the atmosphere (and from there to space) before refreeze, but in absence of the low, most of this ocean heat from the Pacific would get buried in the Pacific halocline wouldn’t it?

So it’s like the heat goes away to space or it gets buried. In any case, during Fall, when Arctic amplification is most evident because most heat is released also represents a negative feedback because the heat is lost either in space or sufficiently deep into the ocean.

The initial refreeze is the most difficult stage to understand imo.


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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2022, 10:30:23 PM »
Warmest parts of Chukchi are at 8C so there will be some cooling. Here is the cmems forecast for the Barrow Canyon area predicting a 6C westward eastward flow down the Alaskan coast into the Beaufort and warmer water downwelling into the Canyon and beyond to 100m depth.
https://myocean.marine.copernicus.eu/-/7xqpw3dyum

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For further reading, this paper may apply to the upcoming forecast.

Shelfbreak Downwelling in the Alaskan Beaufort Sea
Nicholas P. Foukal, Robert S. Pickart, G. W. K. Moore, Peigen Lin
First published: 16 October 2019   https://doi.org/10.1029/2019JC015520
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The oceanographic response and atmospheric forcing associated with downwelling along the Alaskan Beaufort Sea shelf/slope is described using mooring data collected from August 2002 to September 2004, along with meteorological time series, satellite data, and reanalysis fields. In total, 55 downwelling events are identified with peak occurrence in July and August.

Downwelling is initiated by cyclonic low-pressure systems displacing the Beaufort High and driving westerly winds over the region. The shelfbreak jet responds by accelerating to the east, followed by a depression of isopycnals along the outer shelf and slope. The storms last 3.25 ± 1.80 days, at which point conditions relax toward their mean state. To determine the effect of sea ice on the oceanographic response, the storms are classified into four ice seasons: open water, partial ice, full ice, and fast ice (immobile). For a given wind strength, the largest response occurs during partial ice cover, while the most subdued response occurs in the fast ice season.

 Over the two-year study period, the winds were strongest during the open water season; thus, the shelfbreak jet intensified the most during this period and the cross-stream Ekman flow was largest. During downwelling, the cold water fluxed off the shelf ventilates the upper halocline of the Canada Basin. The storms approach the Beaufort Sea along three distinct pathways: a northerly route from the high Arctic, a westerly route from northern Siberia, and a southerly route from south of Bering Strait. Differences in the vertical structure of the storms are presented as well.
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2022, 01:13:07 AM »
Could we call it now, Jim?

It would be nice to have confirmation by Sentinel 1, but I reckon so:
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2022, 07:42:04 AM »
Warmest parts of Chukchi are at 8C so there will be some cooling. Here is the cmems forecast for the Barrow Canyon area predicting a 6C westward flow down the Alaskan coast into the Beaufort and warmer water downwelling into the Canyon and beyond to 100m depth.

On the spot study!

I wanted to write something similar but was not at all sure about it. My reasoning was that currently the Chukchi is very warm, so a big disturbance by wind is more likely to push these warm waters down and bring cold water up, so in my mind a storm like this was more likely to initiate surface cooling (and warming deeper waters). Thank you for the confirmation!
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2022, 08:32:48 AM »
Two recent tweets by Rick Thoman on the current Chukchi storm and the effect of ex Merbok on Bering SSTs.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2022, 03:15:35 AM »
From Rick Thoman's Tweet above: "Recent storminess... has mixed warmer waters on top with cooler water at depth, reducing departures" I feel that most any storm, not to mention one as strong as this one, serve to SAVE the heat gained in the summer by mixing it deeper.... Even if the SSTs fall, the heat is still there as a whole and being mixed deeper will not be given up before the ice forms to trap it in!  You can say a similar thing for Kara/Barrents... The storm on the Atlantic side is near as impressive and seems to last a long time thus itself greatly increasing export!  Seems like export through CAA may also jump?! 
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2022, 12:14:40 PM »
September 28 - October 4.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2022, 12:33:36 PM »
GFS forecast for N Chuckchi storm now dropping to 956hPa.

Barents forecast for 966hPa. Latest from float 690375 in the northern Barents was oct2 so should be due another soon. Water in that area is already well mixed down to 40m at 2.285C. Closer to 4C from buoys further south
https://fleetmonitoring.euro-argo.eu/float/6903705

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2022, 01:17:46 PM »
I reckon so:

However today I have changed my humble opinion:

https://go.nasa.gov/3V1PuJo
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2022, 01:52:22 AM »
A swell of amplitude 5m is predicted in the wake of the strong Chukchi low.
Wave height (swell from storm 100s miles away from the edge+wind waves) will exceed 6m. Will be interesting to see the temporary effect on the refreezing pack.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2022, 07:20:23 PM »
A swell of amplitude 5m is predicted

Here's the long distance swell disaggregated from the wind waves:

https://GreatWhiteCon.info/2022/10/facts-about-the-arctic-in-october-2022/#Oct-06
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2022, 11:23:39 PM »
957 mb. At this time of year, snow cover may insulate the ice for the rest of season, reducing growth rate.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2022, 07:49:12 AM »
I'm wondering could it be argued that this storm will ultimately have just as bad if not worse effect on the arctic - long term - than a GAC in Aug.  ANY MIXING is SUPER BAD and maybe even worse than lower extent numbers one year.  I'd have to assume that the mixing is even more extensive over open water than over ice?!? 
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2022, 01:01:46 PM »
WHOI TOP7 was deployed in open water on oct1. It's the nearest itp to the low pressure event.
Drift speed increased significantly and there is some mixing, mostly upwards imo.
https://www2.whoi.edu/site/itp/data/active-systems/top-07/

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2022, 01:16:21 PM »
Could be related to what looks like an warm old eddy at 50m, max 2.2C
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year   day            dbar   temp(C)  salinity
2022  280.03565   44    1.9863   31.3758
2022  280.03592   45    2.1986   31.4071
2022  280.03538   46    2.1884   31.4355
2022  280.03537   47    2.1315   31.4331
2022  280.03565   48    2.0143   31.4347
2022  280.03565   49    1.9630   31.4420
2022  280.03756   50    1.9374   31.4749
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2022, 01:56:27 PM »
Could be related to what looks like an warm old eddy at 50m, max 2.2C
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year   day            dbar   temp(C)  salinity
2022  280.03565   44    1.9863   31.3758
2022  280.03592   45    2.1986   31.4071
2022  280.03538   46    2.1884   31.4355
2022  280.03537   47    2.1315   31.4331
2022  280.03565   48    2.0143   31.4347
2022  280.03565   49    1.9630   31.4420
2022  280.03756   50    1.9374   31.4749

That’s interesting. When you say old you mean it is not caused by any recent event? And you know it’s  old because it only shows at 50m depth?

Please feel free to answer at a different thread (or not answer). Thx

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2022, 08:48:05 PM »
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When you say old you mean it is not caused by any recent event?

Yes. The mixing to surface is probably related to the recent low pressure event but 2.2C water at 50m is probably pacific summer water. As modelled by Mercator its main entry points to the Beaufort are near Barrow Canyon where it is warmest and north of the Northwind Ridge as shown in the high contrast 34m temperature image.
Ocean gyre circulation suggests BC for TOP7 location.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2022, 11:06:41 AM »
Some effect on the western Beaufort yesterday
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2022, 12:25:39 PM »
More buoy detail from whoi top7.

1. Temp 1-200m depth, buoy has drifted beyond the eddy. 2 of the deeper profiles were incomplete, probably due to high drift speed.

2. Temp 1-20m, mixing to surface event has subsided. Will have to look at other buoys for evidence it is widespread. The sic-leads ani suggests it is.

3. Salinity 1-20m, mixing to surface event has subsided leaving lower salinity in the top 20m, suggesting melt.

4. rawmat pressure with temp and salinity, 0.55dbar-1.21dbar. I don't pretend to fully understand this yet but find it interesting and post in case it helps others.
not adjusted for local pressure changes
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2022, 03:05:49 PM »
According to NWS Alaska, the intensive cyclone in Chukchi is at or near record strength.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NWSAlaska/status/1578151249173970945

"The @NWSOPC has analyzed a 955mb low pressure in the Chukchi Sea. This value is at or near a record intensity for this location, with records going back to 1950."

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2022, 09:23:27 PM »
polarview S1A with contrast adjustment, interesting to see how long refreeze takes.

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2022, 11:16:09 PM »
A worldview winter view of Lincoln and Nares ..
                                                                 https://go.nasa.gov/3fWeYYJ


2007 + 5 = 2012 + 4 = 2016 + 3 = 2019 + 2 = 2021 + 1 .. it's 2022 !

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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2022, 11:57:03 AM »
Beaufort update from awi sic-leads v110

whoi top7 drift and rough location on yesterdays aqua modis (light contrast)

https://go.nasa.gov/3fIrSsW
https://www2.whoi.edu/site/itp/data/active-systems/top-07/
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Re: The 2022/2023 freezing season
« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2022, 07:47:19 AM »
An AMSR2 animation of sea ice concentration in the central Arctic, courtesy of the Alfred Wegener institute (AWI). Note the Leads experimental product exaggerates the width of leads, in order to better show movement. More information available in the AWI thread mostly updated by uniquorn.
Click to animate and click again for maximum resolution.
Source is mirrored on https://seaice.de/AMSR2_Central_Arctic_SIC-LEADS.gif