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Elon Musk
« on: October 27, 2022, 06:24:15 PM »
He really is a hero. Using his platform to advocate for peace in Russia-Ukraine conflict and foreign policy with China-Tawian that is not popular in the west or Washington, despite social media, business, and political blowback. Now buying Twitter to help humanity while goal of lessening polarization and division.





https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1585619322239561728?t=6tEYmb09rt5e_APpfBEQzQ&s=19
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2024, 02:16:26 AM »
How an Elon Musk PAC is using voter data to help Trump beat Harris in 2024 election

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/02/elon-musk-pac-voter-data-trump-harris.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.PostToTwitter


Very good advertising!  ::)

The extreme right doesn't believe in climate change, and don't want to buy electric cars.

And the left doesn't want to buy electric cars from a filthy rich fascist Trump supporter.

And then people say @elonmusk is a genius?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Keep 'em stupid, and they'll die for you.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2024, 06:23:25 AM »
How an Elon Musk PAC is using voter data to help Trump beat Harris in 2024 election

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/02/elon-musk-pac-voter-data-trump-harris.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.PostToTwitter


Very good advertising!  ::)

The extreme right doesn't believe in climate change, and don't want to buy electric cars.

And the left doesn't want to buy electric cars from a filthy rich fascist Trump supporter.

And then people say @elonmusk is a genius?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


He can’t be as smart as you ,he only sends people into space and is worth 30 billion dollars , while also having a toy like Twitter/x , you are much smarter, he doesn’t even have time to post here.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2024, 06:19:24 AM »
The first comment for this tweet is spot on

https://x.com/burnettcynthia/status/1871264431767998895?

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2024, 12:49:38 AM »
Here we go. Get your popcorn out! The fight between MAGA and the tech bros has begun.
This is in reply to a reply from Elonia on a tweet from Laura Loomer earlier.
See the thread here, and don't forget to read the comments.
Priceless! 😂😂😂

https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1872350653999104090

Telling the truth isn’t trolling.

Read the room! @elonmusk
 
You bought your way into MAGA 5 minutes ago after Trump almost had his head blown off in Butler. Remember when you voted for Biden and propped up @GovRonDeSantis and you said Trump was too old?

We all know you only donated your money so you could influence immigration policy and protect your buddy Xi JinPing.

You pretend like you have made such a sacrifice and investment donating to Trump and buying X, but you have only increased your own wealth and the wealth of your companies by practically invading Mar a Lago while trying to become Trump’s side piece.

Isn’t that why you wanted so much hands on control over the spending bill and direct communication with @SpeakerJohnson?

I’ve been here supporting Donald Trump with the millions of other patriots in MAGA since the beginning, so I actually understand the campaign promises that President Trump campaigned on. He campaigned on limiting H1B visas and decreasing immigration.

Donald Trump won because of the forgotten men and women of America. Not because of the tech billionaires who cheered when he was deplatformed and jailed and attacked nonstop over the last 8 years.

He didn’t win because of tech billionaires like you who want to buy influence to jeopardize our national security by selling out to China and replacing American workers with foreigners who have disdain for white Americans.

PS: you aren’t President.

Trump is. As he already has a beautiful wife. I’m not sure what role you’re trying to fill.

But, We voted for Trump. Not you.

Maybe others are too afraid to talk to you like this, but I’m not.

Did I get your attention? @elonmusk


It's being debated here on The MeidasTouch.
I'm really liking these guys from the MeidasTouch. Good alternative for the MSM.

Keep 'em stupid, and they'll die for you.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2024, 04:08:32 PM »
OH, SHIT!!!😂😂😂

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Full censorship of my account simply because I called out H1B visas.

This is anti-American behavior by tech oligarchs.

What happened to free speech?
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1872513683907375366

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X just removed all of Laura Loomer’s subscribers.

This is censorship.
https://x.com/erikfinman/status/1872480205320896982

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@elonmusk
 is now admitting it’s retaliation.

“Play stupid games, win stupid prizes”.

He said, “yes”.

So calling out mass migration is “a stupid game”?

So much for free speech. Quite totalitarian if you ask me.
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1872514250201284664

I really don't know who I want to win in this fight. It's complete insanity. Idiots fighting idiots.
AND I LOVE IT!!!! 😂😂😂
Keep 'em stupid, and they'll die for you.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2024, 05:48:36 PM »
KABOOM!!!! 😂😂😂

Keep 'em stupid, and they'll die for you.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2024, 03:56:19 AM »
Steve Bannon Tears Into Elon Musk: He'd Take A CHeck From Adolph Hitler
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2024, 10:27:54 PM »
this could turn real ugly.

Vivek SH*TS On American Culture To Push More Immigration!


Elon ADMITS Censoring Laura Loomer’s X Account Over Immigration Debate!
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2024, 11:18:59 PM »
shocking!

Trump sides with Elon Musk in MAGA immigration feud over H-1B visas
President-elect says he has always liked H-1B visas, despite moving to restrict them in first term in office, as ‘America First’ rages against immigration
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-elon-musk-visa-immigration-b2671018.html
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2024, 12:53:03 AM »
nothing shocking , but rather hilarious . Happy 2025 :)
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2024, 11:31:11 AM »
Musk Vivek and friends against MAGA have of course turned this discussion into a black & white issue. Laura Loomer is super-racist and she is backed by the “America White” crowd. Musk is not least racist, probably, but an unregulated H1B program is in his best economical interest.

The problem is not the skilled immigration program, but the abuse and misuse that some corporations (Tesla Apple Google and probably most high-techs but also Disney…) are doing out of it. But also the decades-long abuse of F-1 student visa for graduate students has provided an overabundance of better prepared foreigners for tech and engineering positions.

When I was in the US doing my PhD I realized how few Americans were in the program. Chinese, Indian, and some Europeans were happy to do it with a stipend that was on par to the salary of a burger employee (or lower). US young graduates didn’t even think it as an option.

This was before the 2000’s crises (internet and housing bubbles). After that, some Americans could be found in PhD programs,… for a short while.

Which begs the question: has the F-1 student visa been corrupted for so long so that the only abundance of folks really prepared for some Google or Apple positions are foreigners with PhD?

Because let’s be honest: paying PhDs a misery is simply driven to maximize Professor/Department/University available funding. But the PhD preparation, especially for STEM positions, in invaluable.

Now the H1B program is also abused to pay lower salaries to foreign tech workers, and there is in parallel a scarcity of highly prepared Americans compared to foreigners for the reason I explaimed.
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2024, 11:55:09 AM »
Fun fact: Elon Musk has been discouraging Americans to pursue graduate studies for years.
The same guy that hires a foreign PhD in front of a US undergraduate (for obvious reasons).

Another fact: the US in the late-nineties was like a 24/7 party for college students and graduates, and 99% of them had but scorn about Masters and PhD programs.

Maybe the white America is paying for their relative illiteracy in high-level science & tech?

Maybe it is not so bad they pay for the party. After all they embraced the bubbly capitalism that now keeps them check to check.


Just some thoughts…. In any case, Musk is scum.
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2024, 01:49:59 PM »
Elon Musk has completely destroyed MAGA, and I'm loving it. 😂😂😂

Here's a good summary of what's happening right now. MAGAts are regretting their vote for Trump now. After all he said and done in the last 10 years, it's Elon Musk and H-1B visas that killed him.

Now we wait for the vote for speaker on January 3. MAGA will probably not have a speaker on January 6, and thus will not be able to confirm Trump as president, on his J6. That is absolutely hilarious. 😂😂😂

Keep 'em stupid, and they'll die for you.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2024, 06:21:08 PM »
Just figure out who is massively abusing from the highly-skilled immigration program to get highly educated folks that are willing to be underpaid, work at least 60h a week, and not demand work at home or paid sick days…

Meanwhile, Musk tweeting for years that “higher education is becoming irrelevant”. What a fucking snake.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2024/12/12/tesla-emerges-among-top-employers-of-h-1b-visa-holders/

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2024, 11:08:35 PM »
Let’s not forget the other singularity: India, with all its very serious economic problems, overpopulation, social castes, etc has some really decent math and computer science schools. It’s understandable that for these Indian School guys getting a job in America may sound like salvation, and it turns to be easy peasy when competing to the average “got straight As while 4 years drunk” American college ruffian.

So they go to US tech corporation, they get paid like a janitor, and work 60 h per week for a few years waiting for the green card, while the corporation uses them as slaves “don’t screw it or you’re back to the slum” basically.

https://x.com/jvgraz/status/1873120450731204743

And this is supposed to be a great program, an American wealth cornerstone for Elon Musk (and Trump, apparently).

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2024, 11:58:38 PM »
Now the election is over it doesnt matter what the population want for the next few years.

Assuming Elon does what he says he will do, Trump will stand by him for a couple of years then burn him to the ground to improve the chances of an election win next time (not Trump, but whoever he selects to replace him)

Elon is a pawn who thinks he is a king.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2024, 12:55:12 AM »
Now the election is over it doesnt matter what the population want for the next few years.

Assuming Elon does what he says he will do, Trump will stand by him for a couple of years then burn him to the ground to improve the chances of an election win next time (not Trump, but whoever he selects to replace him)

Elon is a pawn who thinks he is a king.
I actually think Trump looks up to Elonia. His entire life, he wanted to belong to the elite, but they never accepted him. And now he's shoulder to shoulder with the wealthiest man or earth. Trump loves it, and Elon can make him even richer with all the bitcoin and stuff. That's why he dropped his MAGA base for Elon just now. But the question remains how much longer it will last. Will Trump really stop giving a shit about MAGA? He doesn't need them anymore. This was his last election. The only thing he cares about now is getting richer.

RIP Jimmy Carter. The first President who put solar panels on the White House.
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2024, 11:05:20 AM »
Now the election is over it doesnt matter what the population want for the next few years.

Assuming Elon does what he says he will do, Trump will stand by him for a couple of years then burn him to the ground to improve the chances of an election win next time (not Trump, but whoever he selects to replace him)

Elon is a pawn who thinks he is a king.

The puppet is usually the politician, not the billionaire. In this case, the biggest billionaire in the world (yeah billionaire in paper mostly, and a ketamine-overdosed child too, but very powerful after all with his expensive mega-platform, his immense cult, his 1000’s of military satellites, his billionaire Silicon Valley friends like Thiel who is well conmected into the CIA, Pentagon, etc etc)

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2024, 01:16:57 PM »
Now the election is over it doesnt matter what the population want for the next few years.

Assuming Elon does what he says he will do, Trump will stand by him for a couple of years then burn him to the ground to improve the chances of an election win next time (not Trump, but whoever he selects to replace him)

Elon is a pawn who thinks he is a king.

The puppet is usually the politician, not the billionaire. In this case, the biggest billionaire in the world (yeah billionaire in paper mostly, and a ketamine-overdosed child too, but very powerful after all with his expensive mega-platform, his immense cult, his 1000’s of military satellites, his billionaire Silicon Valley friends like Thiel who is well conmected into the CIA, Pentagon, etc etc)

When I think of the oligarchs I think old money and old power.

Elon Musk is new money and new power. He is a flash in the pan and it shows clearly in his actions.

A pretender. His story will be short.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2024, 01:18:06 PM »
Apparently there are several companies specialized in misusing the H1B program to provide “low-cost” tech contractors.

https://x.com/lhfang/status/1873459325378912489

The H1B program must be so rigged and corrupted that entire books might be written about it. This is what Elon Musk & friends are willing to “go to war” for.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2024, 06:23:44 PM »
when 30% of the current population of canada, australia and new zealand are foreign born... trudeau said we're in a "post-national country" now. this is all part of something much larger. the united states and the uk are both at 15% foreign born currently plus however many millions of undocumented in the united states. the uk has been flooded with people from throughout the former empire for decades, i can remember it being discussed as early as 1990.

maga have just learned that it's the billionaires and corporations that benefit, it's part of globalization. left and right politics have both been fundamentally about neoliberal economics since reagan and thatcher, bill clinton adopted it too.

Neoliberalism: What It Is, With Examples and Pros and Cons
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/neoliberalism.asp

Make the Economy Scream
The Chicago Boys and the tragedy of the Chilean coup.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/chicago-boys-chile-neoliberalism/

“The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. ”
― Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era (1970)

ZB is talking about big tech. and the digital age in 1970. a pdf of the book - https://ia601302.us.archive.org/7/items/books_201603/between_twoages.pdf

of course the big tech. bros. and trump were lying their asses off. they don't care about countries, borders are problematic for business.

Elon Sparks ALL OUT WAR With MAGA Base Over Immigrant Work Visas


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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2024, 08:47:37 PM »
The Due Dissidence segment was excellent… as is the meme they bring
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2024, 11:31:21 PM »

maga have just learned that it's the billionaires and corporations that benefit


Are you sure? Wait for the pro MAGA people to defend his actions....

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2024, 06:07:34 AM »
How an Elon Musk PAC is using voter data to help Trump beat Harris in 2024 election

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/02/elon-musk-pac-voter-data-trump-harris.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.PostToTwitter


Very good advertising!  ::)

The extreme right doesn't believe in climate change, and don't want to buy electric cars.

And the left doesn't want to buy electric cars from a filthy rich fascist Trump supporter.

And then people say @elonmusk is a genius?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

The right, which I am a part of DOES believe in climate change, we just don’t think it will end the world nor do we believe that the U.S. needs to make huge sacrifice while China keeps opening  coal fired electrical plants.
Additionally, the U.S.is a real big country, now well populated  , without enough charging stations and people like to do things like drive 4.5 hours for weekend skiiing .
When the Crazies in Cal ran out of power last summer and people had to leave their EVs  on the side of the road, yes, many Americans both right and Left lost their appetite for EVs.
I think we are 10-12 years early on those babies, though we do have ( 3) millions on the road now.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2024, 06:34:27 PM »
Steve Bannon GOES OFF On Elon For BETRAYING MAGA Base
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2024, 06:46:42 PM »
Steve Bannon GOES OFF On Elon For BETRAYING MAGA Base
I respect this about the MAGA base. They now hate Elonia as much as Soros. They hate the billionaire class as much as the left. So why isn't any social democrat taking advantage of this?

I have high hopes for AOC, but it ain't gonna be easy...

The NAZI party was the National Socialist German Workers Party.
The party of the working class.

I don't know much about this history, but I see it happening today: The poorly educated workers being lied to by the Oligarchy. Make em stupid, and they'll die for you. (I can't find a reference for this quote. Am I the first to say this?)


Edit:
I asked Copilot.

Has anyone ever used the quote:”Make em stupid, and they'll die for you”?

It looks like the quote “Make 'em stupid, and they'll die for you” was used in a forum post discussing the manipulation of poorly educated workers by the oligarchy. The user who posted it couldn't find a reference for the quote and wondered if they were the first to say it. So, it seems like it might not be a widely recognized or attributed quote.

So is copilot referencing my own post that I just made?  ???
ORIGINAL QUOTE BABY! ;D
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Edit again (wasted now):
When you want to fix a problem, you need to drill down to the core, without bias. That's why I have many different opinions Neven. There's the real world, where everyone lives in. The world that you and I see and despise.

But that doesn't mean that this world isn't real Neven. If you veer off too much from what is considered “normal” in the “real” world, those people won't understand us anymore. Then we're radicals, and nobody will listen to us anymore. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about from being in the cannabis legalization world for more than 30 years now. Radical ideas don't go down well in “the real world”. These things take time to mature. Cannabis is legal all over America now, yet it takes time for the rest of the world to follow.

I've been watching MSNBC, CNN, and FUCKS news for more than 10 years now, because I wanted to know. I wanted to understand. And now I do, a little. I understand their side of the story, and I got carried away by their story, I admit. But I never lost my core philosophy. I may veer off from time to time, but all I want is to learn, and to understand.

Buddha understood and found a solution to all the problems of the world some 2500 years ago. He was a wealthy prince before he gave up everything and realized what life was all about. Jesus followed His teachings, went back home, to teach the west, and they put Him on the cross for a few hours. After 3 days in the crypt, Jesus felt strong enough to go “home”, back to India, where he lived out the rest of his life, and wrote many papers. Finding those writings is the return of the Messiah IMHO.

But the west doesn't know this story, because they abused the teachings of Jesus to control the working class, and 2000 years later, we still let them lie to us...

The end of suffering...
We've known how to do it for 2500 years, and still people are not being taught.

We've known about the struggles of men for 2500 years, and yet the rich and powerful keep finding ways to keep us off track.

The sick (psychopaths and narcissists) keep finding ways to fool the gullible good people. Kindness never got us anywhere. The evil will always take advantage of that.

So how do we once and for all change all that?

Thou shalt not be a psychopath and take a leader roll without a psychological evaluation.
Thou shalt give 50% of your income to the greater good.
No man shall only care for himself.
A man who only thinks about himself is a poor man that shall be stoned until he agrees to ten years of meditation.

Happy New Year!
Hope I made a little sense...
« Last Edit: December 31, 2024, 08:18:17 PM by Freegrass »
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Re: Elon Musk a.k.a. Kekius Maximus
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2025, 05:10:06 PM »
So what the hell is this latest stupidity all about?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy53vz1qpx1o
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Elon Musk changes his name to Kekius Maximus on X


The world's richest man, Elon Musk, has sparked speculation after changing his name on his social media platform X to "Kekius Maximus".


The tech mogul - and close confidant of US President-Elect Donald Trump - offered no immediate explanation for the name or his new profile image which depicts the character Pepe the Frog - a meme that has been used by far-right groups.

The move has sent ripples through the cryptocurrency world, sending the value of a memecoin - a digital currency inspired by internet memes - that shares the same name skyrocketing.

In the past, Mr Musk has influenced crypto prices with his social media commentary, but it was not immediately clear if he had any involvement in this particular memecoin.



"Kekius" appears to be a Latinisation of "kek", a word roughly equivalent to "laugh out loud" popularised by gamers but now often associated with the alt right.

"Kek" is also the name of the ancient Egyptian god of darkness, who is sometimes depicted with the head of a frog.

Many people would link "Maximus" to the name of Russell Crowe's heroic character in the film Gladiator, Maximus Decimus Meridius.

Mr Musk's new profile image depicts Pepe in Roman military dress holding what appears to be a game console.
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Re: Elon Musk a.k.a. Kekius Maximus
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2025, 06:12:36 PM »
So what the hell is this latest stupidity all about?

it's the end of the roman empire and the oligarchs have gone power mad.
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Re: Elon Musk a.k.a. Kekius Maximus
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2025, 07:14:11 PM »
So what the hell is this latest stupidity all about?

it's the end of the roman empire and the oligarchs have gone power mad.

Soros= spent 100’s of millions on election and lost , his hand picked, Soros controlled DIstrict Attorneys and  squad members  are  mostly being recalled or have lost.

Musk = lost Billion on Twitter and Leftists don’t want to buy his cars .

Musk is trying to stop the Left from gaining worldwide control by controlling free speech how is that  gone power mad?
Soros has pretty much lost as the entire world is revolting against his desire for control.

Saying the same wrong, stupid things over and over and over ad nauseam  doesn’t somehow make them correct .




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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2025, 08:53:30 PM »
Biggus dickus was taken.

Also editing it into post titles is also an unnecessary way to acknowledge you read his post or some follow up of it.
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« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2025, 01:47:47 AM »
Musk is trying to stop the Left from gaining worldwide control by controlling free speech how is that  gone power mad?


So Musk is curtailing the free speech of the Left in order to save free speech..... can you hear yourself?

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Re: Elon Musk a.k.a. Kekius Maximus
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2025, 02:44:29 AM »
So what the hell is this latest stupidity all about?

it's the end of the roman empire and the oligarchs have gone power mad.

Soros= spent 100’s of millions on election and lost , his hand picked, Soros controlled DIstrict Attorneys and  squad members  are  mostly being recalled or have lost.

Musk = lost Billion on Twitter and Leftists don’t want to buy his cars .

Musk is trying to stop the Left from gaining worldwide control by controlling free speech how is that  gone power mad?
Soros has pretty much lost as the entire world is revolting against his desire for control.

Saying the same wrong, stupid things over and over and over ad nauseam  doesn’t somehow make them correct .

you're barely coherent, your toddler mind must be reeling when you're confronted with the fact that you've been completely duped by the oligarchs... again. your hero trump is going to be a huge letdown as he still can't understand tariffs even though he imposed them in his first term and wrecked american farmers and businesses, nobody that matters cares what he says about ukraine and all of his mafia posturing looks like a peacock with no feathers.

president elon is going to play him like a fiddle on ketamine. one thing that's guaranteed is that president elon won't cut any of the gov't contracts and subsidies for his cons. the welfare queen is sitting pretty.
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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2025, 03:13:27 AM »
btw, apart from walking into a world war which is way beyond trump's comprehension, he's going to be looking at a fiscal situation that would bring the debt, at current rates of spending, to about $50 trillion in four years. from $36 trillion to $50 trillion in 4 years.

DOGE better have some teeth because it's going to be a tough swallow.

blame canada!
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2025, 03:24:05 AM »
Elon Musk has accidentally revealed that “Adrian Dittmann” is actually himself in the site 4chan

https://x.com/rrriot_kitty/status/1874986970532982999


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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2025, 07:42:11 PM »
At least Elon made me give some money to Wikipedia, as he was posting some rubbish about Wokepedia..... Never managed to do it before.

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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2025, 11:11:56 PM »
At least Elon made me give some money to Wikipedia, as he was posting some rubbish about Wokepedia..... Never managed to do it before.

Same, I was about to pass on donating to it this year but Elon changed my mind.

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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2025, 08:26:45 AM »
At least Elon made me give some money to Wikipedia, as he was posting some rubbish about Wokepedia..... Never managed to do it before.

Wikipedia doesn’t need your money

https://unherd.com/newsroom/the-next-time-wikipedia-asks-for-a-donation-ignore-it/

Apart from that, not everything Musk says is bullshit. Some Wikipedia entries are very “curated” or in other words constantly maintained manipulated with strong ideological and/or political bias.

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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2025, 11:35:24 AM »
At least Elon made me give some money to Wikipedia, as he was posting some rubbish about Wokepedia..... Never managed to do it before.

Wikipedia doesn’t need your money

https://unherd.com/newsroom/the-next-time-wikipedia-asks-for-a-donation-ignore-it/

Apart from that, not everything Musk says is bullshit. Some Wikipedia entries are very “curated” or in other words constantly maintained manipulated with strong ideological and/or political bias.

People can spend their money where ever they want... plenty of them spend it on extreme right and left content all the time and every media outlet has bias.

Also, Wikipedia doesnt just share political content.... it is much more than that.

So yeah, Musk is bullshit for trying to encourage people to ignore Wikipedia, and whenever the richest asshat in the world says dont do something, chances are it is a good idea to do it.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2025, 07:23:27 PM »
At least Elon made me give some money to Wikipedia, as he was posting some rubbish about Wokepedia..... Never managed to do it before.

Wikipedia doesn’t need your money

https://unherd.com/newsroom/the-next-time-wikipedia-asks-for-a-donation-ignore-it/

Apart from that, not everything Musk says is bullshit. Some Wikipedia entries are very “curated” or in other words constantly maintained manipulated with strong ideological and/or political bias.

People can spend their money where ever they want... plenty of them spend it on extreme right and left content all the time and every media outlet has bias.

Also, Wikipedia doesnt just share political content.... it is much more than that.

So yeah, Musk is bullshit for trying to encourage people to ignore Wikipedia, and whenever the richest asshat in the world says dont do something, chances are it is a good idea to do it.

Of course, people can spend their money as they wish, never said the opposite!

Wikipedia is generally useful, but there are organizations, paid editors, and other groups with ideological or political agendas including governments that are selectively permitted and protected by Wikipedia Foundations (the NGO you’re tipping) to be in charge of keeping certain entries under their control. In turn, Wikipedia foundation doesn’t have to worry about their economic viability, but they keep asking for your AUD to keep the facade of a encyclopedia by the people for the people.

As for Musk, as much as his blind followers stupidly delegate their critical thinking on him, I find equally stupid to assume that everything he says and does is evil or wrong. I prefer to use my brain to assess what it is and what is not.



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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2025, 07:28:35 PM »
...
As for Musk, as much as their blind followers delegate their critical thinking on him, I find equally stupid to assume that everything he says and does is evil or wrong. I prefer to use my brain to assess what it is and what is not.
Just remember that being smart has more than one definition. To become a dictator, you need to be smart, but is there something more stupid on earth than to become a dictator ? 

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2025, 09:11:15 PM »
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As for Musk, as much as their blind followers delegate their critical thinking on him, I find equally stupid to assume that everything he says and does is evil or wrong. I prefer to use my brain to assess what it is and what is not.
Just remember that being smart has more than one definition. To become a dictator, you need to be smart, but is there something more stupid on earth than to become a dictator ?
There's all kinds of smarts.
And all kinds of stupid.
Having all 4 of these is rare.

Intelligence Quotient (IQ): The ability to recognize and solve problems.
Emotional Quotient (EQ): Measures emotional intelligence, self-awareness, and emotional self-control.
Adversity Quotient (AQ): The ability to face and overcome adverse situations.
Social Quotient (SQ): Determines cultural fit and social awareness.
Keep 'em stupid, and they'll die for you.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2025, 12:22:09 AM »
...
As for Musk, as much as their blind followers delegate their critical thinking on him, I find equally stupid to assume that everything he says and does is evil or wrong. I prefer to use my brain to assess what it is and what is not.
Just remember that being smart has more than one definition. To become a dictator, you need to be smart, but is there something more stupid on earth than to become a dictator ?

Can I just simplify the matter by stating that not everything Musk says or does is evil/wrong/dumb/etc…?

No need for more sophistication.

And btw I am a well known Elon “hater” in this Forum (I don’t really hate anyone but I profoundly dislike the guy since many years ago by now… even when he was widely revered by most bc of his fake environmentalism).

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« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2025, 02:11:36 AM »
At least Elon made me give some money to Wikipedia, as he was posting some rubbish about Wokepedia..... Never managed to do it before.

Wikipedia doesn’t need your money

https://unherd.com/newsroom/the-next-time-wikipedia-asks-for-a-donation-ignore-it/

Apart from that, not everything Musk says is bullshit. Some Wikipedia entries are very “curated” or in other words constantly maintained manipulated with strong ideological and/or political bias.

People can spend their money where ever they want... plenty of them spend it on extreme right and left content all the time and every media outlet has bias.

Also, Wikipedia doesnt just share political content.... it is much more than that.

So yeah, Musk is bullshit for trying to encourage people to ignore Wikipedia, and whenever the richest asshat in the world says dont do something, chances are it is a good idea to do it.

Of course, people can spend their money as they wish, never said the opposite!

Wikipedia is generally useful, but there are organizations, paid editors, and other groups with ideological or political agendas including governments that are selectively permitted and protected by Wikipedia Foundations (the NGO you’re tipping) to be in charge of keeping certain entries under their control. In turn, Wikipedia foundation doesn’t have to worry about their economic viability, but they keep asking for your AUD to keep the facade of a encyclopedia by the people for the people.

As for Musk, as much as his blind followers stupidly delegate their critical thinking on him, I find equally stupid to assume that everything he says and does is evil or wrong. I prefer to use my brain to assess what it is and what is not.

Actually, you did tell people not to spend their money on Wikipedia by saying Wikipedia doesnt need my money.

I disagree, obviously, knowing that there is no such thing as a perfect organisation but I do believe wikipedia is a net good for the world.

Musk isnt... which I think you agree with.

I do disagree with the notion that not everything Musk says or does is evil.
Although defining evil is a tricky business.

The way I look at Musk is he is a self serving narcissist who will do or say anything to get whatever he wants and has little regard for anybody but his own needs.

If I was to define evil, that would be getting close to it.

Evil is about intent.
An evil person can start a charity that helps millions of people out of poverty because the intent is self serving... ie, the evil person wants to be seen as good in order to make money and be adored and loved by others while not caring about a single person around them.
The charity might do good things, but the person is evil.

Musk is like that except I dont think electric cars are going to do much to improve the climate as much as required, his many ventures barely make sense (Boring Company, for example), and his goal of reaching Mars is implausibly stupid if your goal is to be a multi planet species because when we ruin our planet beyond our ability to survive on it, we become a zero planet species. He wants to get to Mars so he remain famous in the future, no other reason beyond that.

So, Musk is evil in my opinion and the very few "good" things he does is typically a net loss because the means of reaching the goal includes being terrible to people. For example, Tesla, even if you believe it is a good thing, has been done at the expense of abusing his staff and finding ways to pay them as little as possible while he because insanely wealthy. And I doubt he cares how the lithium is sourced.

He is a druggie with political intent to improve his lot and a lot of money and influence. Nothing he says can be trusted and I go as far as to do the exact opposite to his requests just to balance the books a little bit against him.

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« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2025, 11:42:07 AM »
I generally agree with what you say, still, I didn’t tell anyone what to do with their money. I just pointed out that Wikipedia Foundations don’t need individual donations anymore, and brought a neat article that explains why. Still, if you want to donate to them, just do it.

In the meantime an interesting essay about the Wikipedia Foundation from a Wikipedia volunteer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has_Cancer

It is long bc the guy knows Wikipedia well, so I asked GPT to summarize it and make it more palatable in case you’re interested:


Title Explanation
The title "Wikipedia has Cancer" is an analogy suggesting that Wikipedia, or more specifically the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF), is experiencing uncontrolled growth similar to how cancer cells proliferate in a body. This growth is seen in terms of spending, which is likened to cancer because it's excessive and potentially harmful to the long-term health of the organization.

Key Points:

1. Exponential Growth of Spending:
   - The essay compares the aggressive growth of cancer to the exponential increase in WMF's spending. It notes that despite Wikipedia having grown significantly since 2005, the costs associated with running it have increased at a rate far exceeding inflation or the actual need for increased expenditure. The WMF's spending has risen from relatively low figures to spending 1,250 times as much overall, which the author finds excessive.
   - The analogy with cancer emphasizes that this growth, if unchecked, could lead to the 'death' of the host, in this case, Wikipedia or the WMF, due to unsustainable financial practices. [](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has_Cancer)

2. Historical Context and Financials:
   - The essay references a TED talk by Jimmy Wales from 2005, where he mentioned Wikipedia's operational costs being minimal at around US$5,000 per month, mainly for bandwidth. This is contrasted with current spending levels, questioning the necessity of such a dramatic increase in costs, especially when the core function of Wikipedia (providing information) hasn't changed fundamentally.
   - It highlights that from 2005 to 2015, inflation was significantly lower than the rate of increase in WMF's spending, making the financial growth seem disproportionate. [](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has_Cancer)

3. Future Risks:
   - The essay warns of potential future scenarios where donations might decline due to various reasons like scandal, political stances by WMF, or economic downturns. It suggests that without fiscal prudence, the WMF might not adapt well to reduced revenue, instead choosing to increase fundraising efforts or dip into reserves, which could lead to financial ruin.
   - Macon predicts that without intervention, the WMF could face bankruptcy, leading to corporate takeovers by entities like Google or Facebook, which would then monetize Wikipedia in ways that could compromise its integrity and mission. [](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has_Cancer)

4. Proposed Solutions:
   - To prevent this 'cancerous' growth from becoming fatal, the essay proposes transparency in spending, capping spending increases to inflation rates, building up the endowment, and restructuring it to prevent using the principal in financial downturns. This would ideally position Wikipedia to operate sustainably off endowment interest without needing continuous fundraising.

5. Metaphorical Cancer Spread:
   - The essay criticizes the spread of this 'financial cancer' by funding local Wikimedia chapters, suggesting it encourages unnecessary expenditure. It uses the metaphor of cancer metastasis to describe how this growth could spread beyond the central organization into its affiliated groups.

6. Criticism of Fundraising Practices:
   - While the focus is on spending, Macon implies that the need for aggressive fundraising might stem from this uncontrolled spending, leading to criticism of the fundraising methods, which some see as misleading or overly aggressive.

Conclusion
This essay uses a strong metaphor to critique the financial management of the Wikimedia Foundation, suggesting that without significant changes, the organization risks losing its independence or facing financial collapse. The critique is rooted in concerns over sustainability, transparency, and the ethical use of donations, urging a return to fiscal responsibility to preserve Wikipedia's mission and community-driven model. [](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has_Cancer)

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2025, 01:33:07 PM »
I didn’t tell anyone what to do with their money. I just pointed out that Wikipedia Foundations don’t need individual donations anymore, and brought a neat article that explains why. Still, if you want to donate to them, just do it.

Just a point of note... you said you dont tell people what to do with their money.... then you give your permission on spending it. It would be better to share your distaste of Wikipedia or share your opinion as a point of interest while noting that Wikipedia is being dodgy with the money. Then leave it at that.

Anyway, Wikipedia has expenses and they derive funding from donations. The numbers are not small but when the site in a top ten site globally, one would expect that.

If they have more money donated that spent, that is okay because have emergency money helps during bad times. It stops a company going bankrupt.

It also has had and maintains a high rating for a charity.

Like I said, I dont expect anything to be squeaky clean but in regards to Wikipedia, it is a not good for the world. And when an asshat like Musk pipes up about not supporting good organisations I tend to think "Fuck Musk" because he hasnt done anything of note in regards to making the planet a better place... it is just a guy who found an opening to make money and threw everything at it because he falsely believes he cant lose.

And he got lucky big time.


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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2025, 06:20:06 PM »
Elon Musk’s abuse of his own platform to manipulate UK public opinion is apparently irritating all (Left and Right alike) British folks, except for a minority of racist extremists.



One of the reasons that Galloway mentions on why Musk is doing all this interference is for the general public to forget the H1B controversy. I find this theory very plausible too.

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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2025, 09:13:45 PM »
Elon Musk’s abuse of his own platform to manipulate UK public opinion is apparently irritating all (Left and Right alike) British folks, except for a minority of racist extremists.



One of the reasons that Galloway mentions on why Musk is doing all this interference is for the general public to forget the H1B controversy. I find this theory very plausible too.
I can't imagine that because the H1B is US internal, and the interventions in European political life doesn't matter in the US. I can imagine that Elon Musk really has a world wide vision,  he is only recently US citizen.
He is managing world companies with worldwide interests.

Cartoon:
- Will the right extremist Kickl soon be Bundeskanzler?
- Yes, there is just Musk’s OK missing.
Beautiful new Europe
https://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/cartoon-des-tages-fotostrecke-142907.html
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Re: Elon Musk
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2025, 06:54:23 PM »
I can't afford to get rid of the Model 3, and the damage, that is giving money to this assh...., was done 5 1/2 years ago. At that time I honestly thought that Tesla wanted to do some good. Well.....

But the advantage in Europe is, that I don't have to give him any further money. So certainly no charging at Superchargers.

Hope that other companies can repair the car if required.

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« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2025, 12:04:12 AM »
I can't afford to get rid of the Model 3, and the damage, that is giving money to this assh...., was done 5 1/2 years ago. At that time I honestly thought that Tesla wanted to do some good. Well.....

But the advantage in Europe is, that I don't have to give him any further money. So certainly no charging at Superchargers.

Hope that other companies can repair the car if required.

My next car, next year will be a Tesla, only because of Elon being involved.