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« Reply #3500 on: March 11, 2018, 04:01:58 PM »
If the quote is that the truck beats rail because road use is subsidized, that’s not super exciting. Diesel already does that in many applications.

If you mean Musk’s quote, no, that’s not what he meant.  In the U.S., trucks pay taxes and fees for road use, while rail is subsidized.
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« Reply #3501 on: March 11, 2018, 04:04:19 PM »
U.K.:  Union urges Ford to make electric move
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The Unite union has urged Ford to convert its UK engine plants to making electric cars and battery technology.

Currently Ford makes engines for the Ford Fiesta and Jaguar Land Rover vehicles at Bridgend in South Wales and diesel engines in Dagenham in Essex.  Both plants faces uncertainty, as Jaguar plans to build its own engines and demand for diesel cars has plunged.

Unite wants to secure the future of both plants by persuading Ford to switch them to electric vehicles.  "These sites must be repurposed for new electric models or battery technology," Unite said.

On Wednesday the union will present a document outlining a strategy for the whole UK automotive industry, which it says supports 800,000 jobs.  It will ask the government to help the shift to electric vehicles by supporting research and development, training and investment. ...
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-43363539
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« Reply #3502 on: March 11, 2018, 04:14:47 PM »
U.S.:
AAA: Spring gas prices could approach a 'tipping point' for drivers
- According to AAA, the average cost of a gallon of unleaded regular is about 25 cents more than this time last year.
- The national average price could reach as high as $2.70 per gallon this spring.
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A new AAA survey asked consumers if there was a gas price point that would make them "change their driving habits or lifestyle to offset higher gas prices."

"We found $2.75 was the tipping point for about 20 percent of drivers," Sinclair said. "For 40 percent, it was $3 a gallon."

"And we're there, we're at that level in a lot of cities, a lot of metropolitan areas around the country," he said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/11/aaa-expects-higher-gas-prices-this-spring.html
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« Reply #3503 on: March 11, 2018, 05:02:10 PM »
Freight transport in the EU is 3/4 by road.

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Freight_transport_statistics

Main statistical findings
Modal split

Total inland freight transport in the EU-28 was estimated to be just over 2 200 billion tonne-kilometres (tkm) in 2014; some three quarters of this freight total was transported over roads

In addition the EU has spent squillions on new track, continuous rail, new stations and electrification, and is going to spend loads more ( Germany perhaps still has 50 billion more to spend).   This is a sunk cost, and so we are only looking at marginal costs. Because electrification is more or less complete, as renewable energy capacity goes up, running costs should go down. In a crowded continent (Pop 500 million, land area 4.4 million km2), it makes sense to maximise the use of rail. (But people are wedded to roads).

In the USA (and Canada?) rail systems are going down the tubes. No-one is going to cough up the huge capital cost of a modern rail network. Musk is pushing at an open door.

So what's all the fuss?
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« Reply #3504 on: March 11, 2018, 07:28:57 PM »
The Electrical Vehicle Revolution Keeps Expanding

https://robertscribbler.com/2018/03/10/the-electrical-vehicle-revolution-keeps-expanding/

The chart from Robert Scribblers article.  By 2020.....when there are significantly more models....sales are going to really start to surge.....not to mention lowering of cost, and increased battery efficiency.  The chart is through January of this year.

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« Reply #3505 on: March 12, 2018, 02:17:47 AM »
Tesla Temporarily Suspended Model 3 Production in Late February

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-11/tesla-temporarily-suspended-model-3-production-in-late-february

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Tesla Inc. temporarily suspended production of the Model 3 electric sedan at its lone auto plant for a week in late February, a planned breather that ultimately may help increase output of the closely watched vehicle.
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« Reply #3506 on: March 12, 2018, 02:34:53 AM »
If the quote is that the truck beats rail because road use is subsidized, that’s not super exciting. Diesel already does that in many applications.

If you mean Musk’s quote, no, that’s not what he meant.  In the U.S., trucks pay taxes and fees for road use, while rail is subsidized.

I’m going to need some serious citations for that claim. I’ve never heard that trucks pay their fair share for road repairs. And what subsidies for rail exactly?

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« Reply #3507 on: March 12, 2018, 03:22:41 AM »
Bloomberg Tesla Model 3 Tracker
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker/
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« Reply #3508 on: March 12, 2018, 04:17:32 AM »
Tesla Model 3 Motor — Everything I’ve Been Able To Learn About It (Welcome To The Machine)

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/11/tesla-model-3-motor-in-depth/

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Well hello. This is indeed a horse of a very different color. Few have heard of a Switched Reluctance Motor. What kind of animal is this? And, how can anything that powers a 3800 lb vehicle to 60 miles per hour in about 5 seconds be termed reluctant? Let’s answer both those questions along the way to discovering a few puzzle pieces.
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« Reply #3509 on: March 12, 2018, 09:15:33 AM »
Here's another V2G "Twitter teaser" for you:

https://twitter.com/V2gUK/status/973103720203476993
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« Reply #3510 on: March 12, 2018, 09:41:53 AM »
"Under 1,000 electric cars have been sold since the beginning of the year in the UK, down 33.7% on a year ago, industry figures have revealed."

A story in the Times this morning reports falling sales of pure electric cars in the UK in 2018, citing cost, worries about range and difficulties with the charging network.

I think this might be a little pessimistic as the "Other Electric" category that includes my range extender BMW i3 is showing substantial growth suggesting that early adopters are opting for the additional security they offer.

That said, my experience to date of the charging network here isn't good. I'm planning a trip to London next week and am making careful plans. Fast charging points inside the M25 are few and far between.

There's some way to go before pure electric cars become mainstream in the UK.

https://www.verdict.co.uk/fewer-1000-battery-powered-cars-sold-uk-far-year/

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« Reply #3511 on: March 12, 2018, 10:07:13 AM »

There's some way to go before pure electric cars become mainstream in the UK.


There's also a long way to go before adequate EV charging infrastructure is rolled out across the UK. However there are some intriguing portents. See for example:

http://www.V2G.co.uk/2017/11/shell-joins-the-ionity-high-power-charging-network/

and:

http://www.V2G.co.uk/2018/01/bp-invests-in-ev-charging-company-freewire/

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« Reply #3512 on: March 12, 2018, 10:14:33 AM »
I was surprised a while back when a Model X passed me and I noticed large uneven panel gaps. My first thought was that it must have been in an accident. Guess it's a standard feature:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2018/03/11/tesla-week-ev-pub-says-model-3-build-quality-appalling-but-positive-owner-reviews-persist/#285e6b9d2934
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« Reply #3513 on: March 12, 2018, 10:50:51 AM »
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There's some way to go before pure electric cars become mainstream in the UK.


There's also a long way to go before adequate EV charging infrastructure is rolled out across the UK. However there are some intriguing portents. See for example:

http://www.V2G.co.uk/2017/11/shell-joins-the-ionity-high-power-charging-network/

and:

http://www.V2G.co.uk/2018/01/bp-invests-in-ev-charging-company-freewire/



I'm pretty sceptical about retail-based private enterprise leading the charge (pun not intended!). Big retailers, including supermarkets and shopping centres are currently going through the motions. Slow charging stations in retail environments don't really meet the needs of the longer distance traveller.

Maybe the big oil companies will be different and will be willing to change their business model to make 30-45 minute stops at petrol/gas stations a more pleasant experience than they offer today but that's  a big investment that will need to see a return and I think battery technology may yet outpace that investment cycle. In the UK a 400 mile range (coupled with V2G) would threaten that return.

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« Reply #3514 on: March 12, 2018, 11:54:08 AM »
Maybe the big oil companies will be different?

For more on IONITY see:

http://www.V2G.co.uk/tag/ionity/

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With a capacity of up to 350 kW per charging point, the network will use the European charging standard Combined Charging System to significantly reduce charging times compared to existing systems.
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« Reply #3515 on: March 12, 2018, 01:07:19 PM »
Maybe the big oil companies will be different?


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With a capacity of up to 350 kW per charging point, the network will use the European charging standard Combined Charging System to significantly reduce charging times compared to existing systems.

Jim. Thanks. That's encouraging for a BMW user as I need CCS.

But there has to be a concern that we're currently headed down the VHS/Betamax path here with three incompatible rapid charging systems being developed - CHAdeMO, CCS and Tesla. Ecotricity is currently putting both CHAdeMO and CCS onto the UK motorway network but the numbers are low. It was frustrating recently to be at a services near Birmingham waiting for the only CCS point to become available when across the car park there was a bank of 12 Tesla charging points with not a Tesla in sight.

This really doesn't make too much sense.

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« Reply #3516 on: March 12, 2018, 02:31:34 PM »
But there has to be a concern that we're currently headed down the VHS/Betamax path here with three incompatible rapid charging systems being developed - CHAdeMO, CCS and Tesla.

This really doesn't make too much sense.

Agreed. A topic of some debate in IEC 63110 committee meetings. As are patents!

http://www.V2G.co.uk/2018/01/are-ev-charging-station-standards-patentable/
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« Reply #3517 on: March 12, 2018, 07:26:06 PM »
If the quote is that the truck beats rail because road use is subsidized, that’s not super exciting. Diesel already does that in many applications.

If you mean Musk’s quote, no, that’s not what he meant.  In the U.S., trucks pay taxes and fees for road use, while rail is subsidized.

I’m going to need some serious citations for that claim. I’ve never heard that trucks pay their fair share for road repairs. And what subsidies for rail exactly?

Truckers may not pay their “fair share,” but they do pay!  ;)
State: https://cdllife.com/2014/taxes-truck-drivers-pay/
Federal: http://www.tax2290.com/hvut/truckers-tax.aspx

Train subsidies for freight are mostly at the state level (little federal subsidy). Example:
http://norfolk.legalexaminer.com/mass-transit-airline-cruise-ship-train-bus/are-government-subsidies-to-railroads-serving-the-public-interest/


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« Reply #3518 on: March 12, 2018, 07:46:23 PM »
Road wear goes as fourth power of axle load. Freight haulers pay far less than their fair share of road repair. And I say this as someone who runs a buncha trucks, hauls a lot of weight, and puts a huge beating on the roads.

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« Reply #3519 on: March 12, 2018, 09:21:05 PM »
A deep dive into the new motor powering the Tesla Model 3 — and the Tesla Semi Truck.

”Tesla calls it a PMSRM, Permanent Magnet Switched Reluctance Motor. It’s a new type, and very hard to get right, but Tesla did it!”

Tesla Model 3 Motor — Everything I’ve Been Able To Learn About It (Welcome To The Machine)
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/11/tesla-model-3-motor-in-depth/


Edit: Sorry, Archimid; I missed your previous post with this link!  Great article.
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« Reply #3520 on: March 12, 2018, 09:36:56 PM »
Road wear goes as fourth power of axle load. Freight haulers pay far less than their fair share of road repair. And I say this as someone who runs a buncha trucks, hauls a lot of weight, and puts a huge beating on the roads.

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Link below to a report by the UK's Road Research Laboratory. And there is nothing Tusk can do about that basic science applied to axle weight and road pavement wear. I guess there is not a country in the world where truckers pay the full costs of road construction (much higher specification for roads that carry 40 tonners),  maintenance and repair.

http://road-transport-technology.org/Proceedings/3%20-%20ISHVWD/Vehicle%20wheel%20loads%20and%20road%20pavement%20wear%20-%20Addis%20.pdf

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THE FOURTH POWER LAW
The fourth power law was derived from
large-scale experiments carried out by the
American Association of State Highway Officials
(AASHO) between 1958 and 1961 (Highway Research
Board 1962). .....................

6. CONCLUSIONS

1. For most purposes, the fourth power law
relating structural wear in pavements and wheel
load is adequate
; the results of the recent FORCE
experiment indicate that departures may arise
when considering a wide range of pavement
strengths, or the nature and degree of the
deterioration.

2. Measurements in a pavement under traffic
indicate that the effects on pavement life of
axle configuration differ according to whether
fatigue or deformation criteria are considered.
In general the results show that the effects of
grouping are greater for triple axles than for
tandem axles.


3. Measurements of the effect of wide
single tyres
, compared with the dual-tyre
arrangement, show an increase of approximately
50% in the two principal strain measurements
generated in a relatively thin pavement. This
increases pavement wear, in the case of fatigue,
by a factor of up to 2.5
. Theoretical analysis of
the effects on thicker pavements indicates that
the factor will lie in the range 1.5 - 1.8 for
those pavement thicknesses commonly used for
carrying heavier traffic in the UK.

4. Although much is known about the effects
of different vehicle parameters on the magnitudes
of loads imposed on road pavements, the effects
of these varying loads at varying frequencies and
on changing longitudinal pavement profiles is
less well understood. Further work is necessary
on the prediction of the effects of interaction
between longitudinal pavement profile, the
vehicle, and the consequent pavement wear
resulting from the applied dynamic loading.
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« Reply #3521 on: March 13, 2018, 01:57:19 AM »
If the quote is that the truck beats rail because road use is subsidized, that’s not super exciting. Diesel already does that in many applications.

If you mean Musk’s quote, no, that’s not what he meant.  In the U.S., trucks pay taxes and fees for road use, while rail is subsidized.

I’m going to need some serious citations for that claim. I’ve never heard that trucks pay their fair share for road repairs. And what subsidies for rail exactly?

Truckers may not pay their “fair share,” but they do pay!  ;)
State: https://cdllife.com/2014/taxes-truck-drivers-pay/
Federal: http://www.tax2290.com/hvut/truckers-tax.aspx

Train subsidies for freight are mostly at the state level (little federal subsidy). Example:
http://norfolk.legalexaminer.com/mass-transit-airline-cruise-ship-train-bus/are-government-subsidies-to-railroads-serving-the-public-interest/

So you find that trucks are not paying their fair share — is they’re subsidized. And rail sometimes gets a bit of money but that’s considered scandalous.

That was, pretty much, my point.

So the Tesla truck beating rail on cost is just not very impressive to me. If trains could run while only having to pay a small fraction the cost of railroad repair, they’d be cheap too.

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« Reply #3522 on: March 13, 2018, 01:50:45 PM »
VW Secures $25 Billion Battery Supplies in Electric-Car Push

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/2018/03/13/vw-secures-25-billion-battery-supplies-in-electric-car-surge

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(Bloomberg) -- Volkswagen AG secured 20 billion euros ($25 billion) in battery supplies to underpin an aggressive push into electric cars in the coming years, putting pressure on Tesla Inc. as it struggles with production issues for the mainstream Model 3.

The world’s largest carmaker will equip 16 factories to produce electric vehicles by the end of 2022, compared with three currently, Volkswagen said Tuesday in Berlin. The German manufacturer’s plans to produce as many as 3 million electric cars a year by 2025 is backstopped by deals with suppliers including Samsung SDI Co., LG Chem Ltd. and Contemporary Amperex Technology Ltd. for batteries in Europe and China.

With the powerpack deliveries secured for its two biggest markets, a deal for North America will follow shortly, Volkswagen said. In total, the Wolfsburg-based automaker has said it plans to purchase about 50 billion euros in batteries as part of its electric-car push, which includes three new models in 2018 with dozens more following.

As of next year, the 12-brand group will roll out a new battery-powered model “virtually every month,” Chief Executive Officer Matthias Mueller said at the company’s annual press conference. “This is how we intend to offer the largest fleet of electric vehicles in the world.”
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« Reply #3523 on: March 13, 2018, 02:22:57 PM »
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So the Tesla truck beating rail on cost is just not very impressive to me. If trains could run while only having to pay a small fraction the cost of railroad repair, they’d be cheap too.

Rail is cheap — and gets lots of subsidies from states, but particularly heavily from federal government for passenger rail, which freight also benefits from.

That’s why new trucks, that can provide the “last mile” distribution that rail does not, yet are cheaper than rail to operate — are noteworthy. 

As more and more road transport switches away from fossil fuels, methods of funding road repair will require a switch away from gas/diesel taxes.  Some states have already imposed big fees to register EVs.  Increases in truck taxes and fees will occur, too.  But the government also has a role on enabling transport for the common good, so “subsidies” are here to stay.
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« Reply #3524 on: March 13, 2018, 03:05:21 PM »
VW Secures $25 Billion Battery Supplies in Electric-Car Push
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The only surprise here is that VW is doing exactly what it needs to be doing; what all the big car manufacturers need to be doing.  Bring it on!

The article makes a point of saying Tesla has only announced purchase obligations for $17.5 billion worth of Pansonic batteries... but Tesla only buys a fraction of its cells (mostly the older format type);  it makes most battery cells itself, at the Nevada Gigafactory.  And VW admits it will not be making its own.

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“This is not one of our core competencies,” said Mueller, who has faced pressure from employee representatives to invest in battery-cell production. “Others can do it better than we can.”
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« Reply #3525 on: March 13, 2018, 06:31:16 PM »
I thought Panasonic was making those cells at the gigafactory. Tesla assembles them into packs and final products.

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« Reply #3526 on: March 13, 2018, 08:19:29 PM »
I thought Panasonic was making those cells at the gigafactory. Tesla assembles them into packs and final products.

Yes, Panasonic is jointly involved with Tesla in the gigafactory battery production.  But Tesla also buys old-format cells from Panasonic’s Japan facility.
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« Reply #3527 on: March 13, 2018, 09:19:25 PM »
The roof of the gigafactory was purposely designed to be as smooth as possible, so that it could be covered with solar panels.

Tesla’s solar rooftop array at Gigafactory 1 is starting to take shape
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Gigafactory 1 was designed with sustainability in mind. Tesla’s description of the sprawling facility alone states that the factory is set to be powered exclusively by renewable energy sources, including a massive solar array that would be installed on its roof. ...
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gigafactory-1-solar-rooftop-array/
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« Reply #3528 on: March 13, 2018, 11:35:30 PM »
The roof of the gigafactory was purposely designed to be as smooth as possible, so that it could be covered with solar panels.

Tesla’s solar rooftop array at Gigafactory 1 is starting to take shape
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Gigafactory 1 was designed with sustainability in mind. Tesla’s description of the sprawling facility alone states that the factory is set to be powered exclusively by renewable energy sources, including a massive solar array that would be installed on its roof. ...
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gigafactory-1-solar-rooftop-array/
I'm a little surprised, I'd assumed the buildings had been built with solar in place.
Any ideas on why they held off for so long?
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« Reply #3529 on: March 14, 2018, 12:53:49 PM »
Money, I assume. Panels take several years to pay off, Tesla is investing all the money it can find in things that pay off much faster.

Also, the buffalo factory is only now ramping up with solar cell production. I wonder if these panels are in-house, essentially training models?

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« Reply #3530 on: March 14, 2018, 01:30:08 PM »
I thought Panasonic was making those cells at the gigafactory. Tesla assembles them into packs and final products.

Yes, Panasonic is jointly involved with Tesla in the gigafactory battery production.  But Tesla also buys old-format cells from Panasonic’s Japan facility.

My complete understanding is that Panasonic makes all the cells. Tesla buys cells to make complete products (Tesla also buys from other suppliers, as we saw with the Australian battery). Some (the vast majority?) of the cells are made in the gigafactory.

Similarly, in Buffalo, Panasonic makes solar cells and Tesla makes panels and roof tiles.

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« Reply #3531 on: March 15, 2018, 01:15:53 AM »
From the beginning, Tesla Models S and X have used, and continue to use, 18-650 format cells, made by Panasonic in Japan.  Under a “unique partnership,” Panasonic and Tesla started making 2170-format cells in the gigafactory, starting late 2016/early 2017.  The new cells are used in the Model 3 and in Tesla stationary storage products.

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These batteries were jointly designed by both Panasonic and Tesla, which continues the companies’ highly unique partnership. At an event at the Gigafactory last summer, Panasonic’s executive vice president Yoshihiko Yamada described the companies’ relationship as a completely new type of business partnership. Both companies are investing heavily in the infrastructure of the Gigafactory.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/tesla-and-panasonic-kick-off-battery-production-at-the-gigafactory

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The Gigafactory is being built in phases so that Tesla, Panasonic, and other partners can begin manufacturing immediately inside the finished sections and continue to expand thereafter. Our phased approach also allows us to learn and continuously improve our construction and operational techniques as we continue to drive down the cost of energy storage. Already, the current structure has a footprint of 1.9 million square feet, which houses 4.9 million square feet of operational space across several floors. And we are still less than 30 percent done. Once complete, we expect the Gigafactory to be the biggest building in the world.

With the Gigafactory online and ramping up production, our cost of battery cells will significantly decline due to increasing automation and process design to enhance yield, lowered capital investment per Wh of production, the simple optimization of locating most manufacturing processes under one roof, and economies of scale. By bringing down the cost of batteries, we can make our products available to more and more people, allowing us to make the biggest possible impact on transitioning the world to sustainable energy.

Finally, bringing cell production to the U.S. allows us to create thousands of American jobs. In 2017 alone, Tesla and Panasonic will hire several thousand local employees and at peak production, the Gigafactory will directly employ 6,500 people and indirectly create between 20,000 to 30,000 additional jobs in the surrounding regions.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/battery-cell-production-begins-gigafactory


https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-worlds-lithium-ion-battery-supply/
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« Reply #3532 on: March 15, 2018, 01:32:16 AM »
The roof of the gigafactory was purposely designed to be as smooth as possible, so that it could be covered with solar panels.

Tesla’s solar rooftop array at Gigafactory 1 is starting to take shape
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Gigafactory 1 was designed with sustainability in mind. Tesla’s description of the sprawling facility alone states that the factory is set to be powered exclusively by renewable energy sources, including a massive solar array that would be installed on its roof. ...
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gigafactory-1-solar-rooftop-array/
I'm a little surprised, I'd assumed the buildings had been built with solar in place.
Any ideas on why they held off for so long?
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I have not read of a specific reason.  However, the gigafactory is only 30% complete, so it might make sense to wait and install the larger system all at once, rather than piece by piece.  And yes, as production of Tesla solar panels ramps up, they will be cheaper.  But lots of customers have made reservations for panels and are waiting for them now!

Besides, Elon has been known to enjoy a relaxing evening sitting around a campfire on the gigafactory roof after a hard day in “production hell.”  Wouldn’t want to deprive the man of a simple pleasure at this stage of the game. ;) ;D


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One possible reason for installing some solar panels at the gigafactory now is:  the Tesla semi truck.  At the truck’s unveiling in November 2017, Musk announced:

“Because these megachargers are solar-powered, your truck is running on sunlight.”

We know the semi prototypes are now running between the gigafactory and the Fremont factory.  (Although one was recently spotted in St. Louis!).  Tesla may have installed PV at the gigafactory to test out their “megacharger” system.

https://www.inverse.com/article/40856-tesla-semi-megacharger-plan

https://electrek.co/2018/03/13/tesla-semi-electric-truck-spotted-supercharger-st-louis/
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« Reply #3533 on: March 15, 2018, 03:55:43 AM »
Thanks
Charging the trucks makes perfect sense.


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« Reply #3534 on: March 16, 2018, 06:36:56 PM »
Solar storms can disrupt GPS signals, limiting navigation to on-board sensors and maps.  Driverless cars need to have a plan.  (Of course, a strong enough solar storm could fry all the electronics, so there’s that. :o)

Too Much Sun Could Wreak Havoc on Driverless Cars
Space meteorologists warn automated vehicle engineers against relying on GPS.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-16/driverless-cars-have-a-cosmic-weakness-solar-storms
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« Reply #3535 on: March 16, 2018, 07:03:09 PM »
“Self-driving” — with no steering wheel or pedals.

GM announces $100 million investment to start making production version of its self-driving Chevy Bolt EV
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GM announced today that it is investing $100 million into upgrading two factories to start making the production version of its self-driving Chevy Bolt EV for its upcoming driverless ride-sharing service to be launched next year.

The automaker has claimed to “be ready to mass produce self-driving Chevy Bolt EVs,” the electric vehicle they used as a platform for their self-driving Cruise AV (Autonomous Vehicle) since September of last year with the third generation of the vehicle.

They made the announcement after having completed the first batch of 130 Chevy Bolt EV autonomous prototypes at its Orion Assembly Plant in June.  Now they are investing into that plant as well as the Brownstown plant to start producing the production version of the vehicle.

The Orion factory is where the regular non-self-driving Chevy Bolt EV is being produced and they are adding all the redundant safety features for the self-driving Cruise AV version at the same location.

The roof modules with all the sensors for GM’s self-driving vehicles – pictured below – will be assembled at its Brownstown plant....
https://electrek.co/2018/03/15/gm-chevy-bolt-ev-self-driving-production/


More on the Brownstown plant, from 2016:
GM Reveals More on its Electrified Vehicle Batteries During Brownstown Plant Tour
http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-reveals-more-on-its-electrified-vehicle-batteries-during-brownstone-plant-tour/
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« Reply #3536 on: March 18, 2018, 12:47:13 AM »
U.S.: 

There’s a new effort to remove the EV tax credit cap just as Tesla and GM are about to hit it
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It just so happens that the two first automakers to hit the threshold are likely going to be American automakers, Tesla and GM. Therefore, the U.S. federal government might end up having an EV incentive program that directly disadvantages the two biggest American electric automakers. ...
https://electrek.co/2018/03/16/electric-vehicle-tax-credit-cap-tesla-gm/
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« Reply #3537 on: March 18, 2018, 01:03:44 AM »
U.S.: 

There’s a new effort to remove the EV tax credit cap just as Tesla and GM are about to hit it
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It just so happens that the two first automakers to hit the threshold are likely going to be American automakers, Tesla and GM. Therefore, the U.S. federal government might end up having an EV incentive program that directly disadvantages the two biggest American electric automakers. ...
https://electrek.co/2018/03/16/electric-vehicle-tax-credit-cap-tesla-gm/


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« Reply #3538 on: March 19, 2018, 12:38:51 PM »
The Tesla 3 - A Curate's Egg ?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-19/what-model-3-drivers-love-and-hate-about-tesla-s-pivotal-car

What Model 3 Drivers Love and Hate About Tesla's Pivotal Car
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« Reply #3539 on: March 19, 2018, 01:25:44 PM »
In order to qualify, the car would have to be called good when it’s bad. Yet the evidence is that the car is being called mediocre when it’s mediocre. From basically all reports I’ve read, Tesla has the handling down pat; not so the build quality — for all its cars, not just the 3.

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« Reply #3540 on: March 19, 2018, 06:39:11 PM »
Uber halts self-driving tests after pedestrian killed in Arizona
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A female pedestrian was reportedly killed after being struck by an autonomous Uber vehicle in Arizona, according to ABC 15. In response, Uber has pulled all of its self-driving cars from public roads in the state as well as in the cities of San Francisco, Toronto, and Pittsburgh.

The crash occurred near Mill Avenue and Curry Road early Monday morning in Tempe, Arizona, the channel reports. The Uber vehicle was reportedly headed northbound when a woman walking outside of the crosswalk was struck. The woman was taken to the hospital where she later died from her injuries. Early reports suggested that she may have been a bicyclist, but that may not be the case.

“Our hearts go out to the victim’s family,” an Uber spokesperson told The Verge. “We are fully cooperating with local authorities in their investigation of this incident.”

Uber confirms that the vehicle was traveling in autonomous mode with a safety driver behind the wheel during the crash. That would make the pedestrian one of the first known victims of a crash involving a self-driving car. ...
https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/19/17139518/uber-self-driving-car-fatal-crash-tempe-arizona


Edit: more info, including a video.  Damaged bicycle shown at the scene.
https://electrek.co/2018/03/19/uber-self-driving-prototyp-fatal-crash-police/
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« Reply #3541 on: March 19, 2018, 06:43:37 PM »
A massive, new all-electric 40-tonne truck has been unveiled to bring zero-emission vehicles to underground mining.

A new all-electric 40-tonne truck unveiled for the mining industry
https://electrek.co/2018/03/16/all-electric-40-tonne-truck-mining-artisan-vehicles/
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« Reply #3542 on: March 20, 2018, 01:59:41 PM »
The new Nissan Leaf sold 8,400 copies in February:

https://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-sales-heads-10000-a-month-over-100000-a-year/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+InsideEvs+%28Inside+EVs%29

This should go up significantly over the next few months, as availability and production ramp up in Europe and the US. Perhaps 10-15,000 per month? If the Model 3 gets going, and with a few Chinese models selling really well, we could see 3-4 models with sales of over 100,000 in 2018.

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« Reply #3543 on: March 20, 2018, 02:50:47 PM »
U.S.     In the incident in Reply #3540 above, there was also a safety driver at the wheel.

”Manufacturer liability is one of the biggest issues surrounding self-driving cars. Exactly who is at fault when there is no human driver to blame has analysts and lawmakers scratching their heads. Automakers would like to be shielded from liability as much as possible, and in its zeal to get more self-driving cars on the road, Congress may be giving these companies what they want.”

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The bill, known as the AV Start Act, includes language that does not explicitly prohibit forced arbitration between autonomous-car manufacturers and consumers. This would prevent a person injured in a self-driving car crash to join a class-action lawsuit, or even take the manufacturer to court individually, according to CNN. Instead, companies could force consumers to settle disputes outside of court in arbitration.

"Experts say arbitration shifts the balance of power in the favor of big businesses, because they generally hire the arbitrator and will be its repeat customer," the CNN report noted. "Arbitration proceedings are also private, so use of them would mean the public is more likely to be kept in the dark about flaws in self-driving vehicles." ...
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Ford is betting on hybrid trucks and SUVs to pay for its smart future
But will it make, you know, cars anymore?
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But Ford is also betting on a new performance-oriented battery electric SUV in 2020, announced in January as the Mach 1. The company also says there will be six electric vehicles by 2022 and a charging strategy for them.
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« Reply #3545 on: March 20, 2018, 04:20:00 PM »
Short-haul, low volume.  It’s a start!

Daimler starts delivering electric trucks in the UK
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« Reply #3546 on: March 20, 2018, 05:15:58 PM »
I think commercial vehicles have the potential to reach a much more sudden tipping point than cars. It's much more a question of economics, and if money can be saved, companies will put up with certain inconveniences, or find ways around them. Unlike individuals, who may buy an EV to make a statement/for environmental reasons, or not buy one in case they at some point in the next ten years want to travel 1000 miles in a day. I believe that most delivery vans in big cities travel relatively short distances each day, due to traffic, loading/unloading, etc. Which should make them ideal for conversion to electric, particularly if supported by incentives to reduce local pollution in urban areas.

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« Reply #3547 on: March 20, 2018, 06:02:21 PM »
Hey, Sigmetnow, this thread is for "trucks", not "lorries!   ;D
But I'm happy to see the picture you posted.
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« Reply #3548 on: March 20, 2018, 06:50:10 PM »
Hey, Sigmetnow, this thread is for "trucks", not "lorries!   ;D
But I'm happy to see the picture you posted.

We are lucky nothing is falling off the back of it!  ;) ;D
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« Reply #3549 on: March 22, 2018, 02:07:19 PM »
Tesla starts Model 3 launch in Canada, confirms starting price at $45,600 CAD
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Tesla is finally starting to launch the Model 3 outside of the US for the first time – starting in Canada as previously announced.

The automaker is starting to send invites for configuration this week and it confirmed the Canadian price.
Earlier this year, Tesla accelerated the planned launch of the Model 3 in Canada from “late 2018” to “mid 2018”.

The automaker confirmed to Electrek that the first invitations to configure are going to Model 3 reservation holders this week with a similar priority that reservation holders experienced in the US: employees first and then current Tesla owners, followed by non-Tesla owners. ...
https://electrek.co/2018/03/21/tesla-model-3-canada-price/


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A Canadian choosing the options available today could result in delivery within “4 to 8 weeks.”

First look at Tesla Model 3 Canadian configurator with price structure and availability
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The fact that deliveries have a similar timeline as the one in the US is a good sign that either Tesla’s Model 3 production is increasing or they plan to focus on Canadian deliveries and slow down US deliveries to push the point at which they reach the 200,000 US delivery threshold for [the calendar quarter that starts the clock toward] the federal tax credit phase-out.
https://electrek.co/2018/03/22/tesla-model-3-canadian-configurator-price-structure-availability/
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