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What should someone who read Popper 45 years ago be reading today?
« on: September 21, 2022, 11:38:43 PM »
Its a long time since I read "The Logic of Scientific Discovery" and "The Open Society and its Enemies". I have the impression he's still the last word on that sort of theme, but its been a long time and its not like there aren't still problems with the generation of knowledge and its abuse.


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Re: What should someone who read Popper 45 years ago be reading today?
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2022, 12:34:54 AM »
When I was at University many (many!) moons ago Thomas Kuhn was the in thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Structure_of_Scientific_Revolutions
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Re: What should someone who read Popper 45 years ago be reading today?
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2022, 02:34:58 AM »
But is Popper still the paradigm? Or even if he is, is there some new kid on the block threatening to upend him?

Different field but I have come across work on what happened before the Big Bang, which is I think rather unfair on some of the physicists whose paradigm it claims to be breaking, but thats par for the course in popular science books. A Brief History of Time is being consigned to history (or so it appears to me). Is there someone that is doing to Popper what is being done to Hawking?

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Re: What should someone who read Popper 45 years ago be reading today?
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2022, 12:38:56 PM »
Not new but one i liked is Against Method by Feyerabend. It contrasts nicely with the quite theoretical stuff like Kuhn. 
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Re: What should someone who read Popper 45 years ago be reading today?
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2022, 01:09:30 PM »
As synchronicity would suggest, the University in question was Southampton:

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/~mb1a10/COMP6216_WIS_II.pdf

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Re: What should someone who read Popper 45 years ago be reading today?
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2022, 07:40:57 PM »
So the answer is still Popper? ;)

Could that essay that be put together today without mentioning Popper?

Any more recent fundamental critiques of scientific totalitarianism than The Open Society and its Enemies? This isn't an issue thats gone away but e.g. is there anything like The Merchants of Doubt but which starts out with taking aim at Hume, the way Popper starts out by taking aim at Plato?

Not new but one i liked is Against Method by Feyerabend. It contrasts nicely with the quite theoretical stuff like Kuhn. 

Do you think Feyerabend was a good writer? e.g. I've read Wittgenstein and picked up insight about modelling from it but I'm not going to recommend him as a good read. Kant has had a lot of influence, including on me, but I didn't get it from reading Kant.

Looking at amazon, maybe I should try his Science in a Free Society.

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Re: What should someone who read Popper 45 years ago be reading today?
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2022, 06:15:36 PM »
He is a lot easier to read then Wittgenstein but i have not read that one.

In a way it is all abstract because you have a world with a lot of scientific knowledge but it´s use is arbitrary. One good example of this is the way we handle climate change.


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Re: What should someone who read Popper 45 years ago be reading today?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2022, 09:04:02 PM »
Its use is political, which is not the same as arbitrary. (Unless the head honcho is a Philosopher King, see Popper for why this is a bad idea)


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Re: What should someone who read Popper 45 years ago be reading today?
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2022, 10:40:42 AM »
Evidently not Frank J. Popper.   (Mr. Let the Buffalo Roam)