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What will be the JAXA Arctic sea extent daily minimum in 2024?

More than 5 million km^2
0 (0%)
Between 4.75 and 5.25 million km^2
0 (0%)
Between 4.50 and 5.00 million km^2
0 (0%)
Between 4.25 and 4.75 million km^2
1 (2.4%)
Between 4.00 and 4.50 million km^2
7 (16.7%)
Between 3.75 and 4.25 million km^2
13 (31%)
Between 3.50 and 4.00 million km^2
8 (19%)
Between 3.25 and 3.75 million km^2
4 (9.5%)
Between 3.00 and 3.50 million km^2
3 (7.1%)
Between 2.75 and 3.25 million km^2
3 (7.1%)
Between 2.50 and 3.00 million km^2
3 (7.1%)
Between 2.25 and 2.75 million km^2
0 (0%)
Between 2.00 and 2.50 million km^2
0 (0%)
Between 1.75 and 2.25 million km^2
0 (0%)
Less than 2 million km^2
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 42

Voting closes: June 20, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

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JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« on: June 10, 2024, 08:30:49 PM »
There always used to be polls on this forum at the beginning of June, but nobody has created one yet this year.  So here is a belated poll.

This poll is for the daily JAXA extent minimum for 2024.  Below is a list with the values for previous years (in million km2).

year    minimum
2012    3.18
2020    3.55
2019    3.96
2016    4.02
2007    4.07
2023    4.14
2015    4.26
2011    4.27
2018    4.46
2017    4.47
2008    4.50
2022    4.52
2021    4.61
2010    4.62
2013    4.81
2014    4.88
2009    5.05
2005    5.18
2002    5.51
2006    5.63
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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2024, 08:44:12 PM »
I was wondering when polls would show up. I'm still awaiting my favourite one, the NW Passage opening date poll.

Anyway, I like to vote early, it feels like cheating waiting until the last minute  ;)

3.75 to 4.25
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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2024, 09:30:47 PM »
I also chose the 4.00 ± 0.25 M km² bin. I have the feeling that this year will be close to 2007 or 2016 when it comes to the JAXA minimum day in September.
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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2024, 10:47:39 PM »
Difficult choice.  Two of the last five years were above 4.50 and two were below 4.00.  Based on that, my selection of 4.00 - 4.50 has a 20% chance of being correct.

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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2024, 11:18:48 PM »
3.75 - 4.25 for me also, but I'm secretly hoping for over 4.25.
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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2024, 12:14:29 AM »
4.00 to 4.50 I went for, may of even went one higher if it was not for the Beaufort melt ponding which is quite notable to say the least.

Volume models have indicated positive ice anomalies on the Siberian side of the basin so hopefully that will help keep extent figures up. Also at this moment in time, the ice pack is largely compacted over the CAB unlike looking at it this time last year which possibly played some sort of role why extent dropped as low as it did in the end.

Will definately be keeping an eye on the ice to the north of the CAA, I really have a feeling we may see something unprecedented the back end of the summer given the negative volume anamolies and the fact the ice already looks quite mobile.

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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2024, 01:09:15 AM »
If the weather continues to keep Greenland's cold from protecting the ice , this will be the year that shatters records . The movement of ice in Nares st. today suggests Lincoln sea will not be the last bastion it might otherwise have been , so I've already lowered my prediction ( now 2.5-3.0 ) .
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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2024, 10:08:18 AM »
3.75-4.25, for lack of a better guess. As usual, it could easily go above (up to a certain point) or below (with a higher miss).

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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2024, 10:07:42 AM »
I reckon it will end just above 4million.

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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2024, 02:23:38 PM »
At the end of May PIOMAS sea ice volume was 13th lowest in the satellite record

Data from NSIDC...
Peripheral seas area and extent are below the 2010's average.
But it is melt in the High Arctic that mostly determines the minimum. And there sea ice area and extent remains well above the 2010's average and melt remains mostly slow.

So I am going for 4 to 4.5 million km2 for the JAXA extent minimum.

But given the transition from El Nino to ENSO neutral and perhaps La Nina uncertainty is even higher than usual?
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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2024, 02:41:34 PM »
I can see that most people are being conservative this year, but I think this will be an exceptional year, with extreme weather, and maybe even an august storm again. So I'm going for the record.

Between 2.75 and 3.25 million km2, but really below 3 million km2 for the first time.
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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2024, 03:26:00 AM »
Going 4.25 to 4.75. As Gerontocrat pointed out High Arctic Sea ice Area remains high and the peripheral seas only have a minimal impact on the minimum. Additional cryospherecomputing’s high arctic accumulated albedo warming potential anomaly remains below that of 2013.

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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2024, 04:58:59 AM »
I will go for 3.5 to 4.00 . If the Beaufort gets hit hard maybe it will allow some erosion to one edge of the basin.

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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2024, 09:55:40 AM »
The losses through Fram, plus a growing current flowing out there from the Canadian side which runs between the pole and Greenland, means very little gets to recirculate. Laptev is being cleared allowing the whole pack to expand thin and rotate so with incoming waters from the Pacific the Chukchi/ESS will clear quickly once conditions are ripe. Already the incoming Pacific waters are warming Beaufort and causing pressure on the CAA passages, and Nares shows signs of significant flows of both the arctic atlantic water layer and actual '24 atlantic waters passing through. Already turbulence across Lomonosov is preparing to create an open sea area on the NSI/Laptev side south of the pole. Taken together the oceans dynamics will need only a little assistance to make a record so I've gone for 2.75-3.25

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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2024, 10:51:50 AM »
If I was held at gunpoint my final prediction for the Ice will be 4.08 this year. Anyone else?

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Re: JAXA extent minimum 2024: June poll
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2024, 08:48:24 PM »
3.75-4.25, for lack of a better guess. As usual, it could easily go above (up to a certain point) or below (with a higher miss).
My assessment as well.

However, I’m watching the current conditioning  taking place in the CAB with great interest.  I suspect our estimate may be on the high side.
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