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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #650 on: August 16, 2022, 01:14:48 PM »
Gero, you posted the same twice. Info for 14 August instead 15.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #651 on: August 16, 2022, 01:21:49 PM »
Gero, you posted the same twice. Info for 14 August instead 15.
A big whoops (did not push the date button) - try again....

JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,764,463 KM2 as at 15-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 29k, 32 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 61k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 8,629 k, which is 335 k, 3.7% less than the 10 year average of 8,964 k.

- Extent is at position #12 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  260 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  801 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  1,030 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  481 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,215 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  436 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 89.5% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 30 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.72 million km2, 1.54 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #652 on: August 16, 2022, 02:04:35 PM »
Thank you, Gero!

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #653 on: August 16, 2022, 06:06:26 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,068,973 KM2 as at 15-Aug-2022

- Area loss on this day 56k, 21 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 35k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 9,005 k, which is 374 k, 4% less than the 10 year average of 9,379 k.

- Area is at position #11 in the satellite record

- Area is  169 k MORE than 2021,
- Area is  862 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  547 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  1,025 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  312 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 93.1% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 27 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2022 of 3.38 million km2, 1.13 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 12th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #654 on: August 17, 2022, 05:49:39 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 16th, 2022:
      5,732,563 km2, a drop of -31,900 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #655 on: August 17, 2022, 01:32:20 PM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,732,563 KM2 as at 16-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 32k, 44 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 76k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 8,661 k, which is 378 k, 4.2% less than the 10 year average of 9,040 k.

- Extent is at position #13 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  281 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  889 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  1,037 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  559 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,266 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  472 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 90.3% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 29 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.76 million km2, 1.58 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #656 on: August 18, 2022, 05:49:09 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 17th, 2022:
      5,709,815 km2, a drop of -22,748 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #657 on: August 18, 2022, 10:39:40 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,709,815 KM2 as at 17-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 23k, 28 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 51k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 8,684 k, which is 406 k, 4.5% less than the 10 year average of 9,090 k.

- Extent is at position #14 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  278 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  928 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  1,075 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  609 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,333 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  504 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 90.8% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 28 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.79 million km2, 1.61 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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Only 4 weeks to minimum (on average) and daily extent loss somewhat feeble
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #658 on: August 18, 2022, 05:00:15 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,025,365 KM2 as at 17-Aug-2022

- Area loss on this day 16k, 29 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 45k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 9,049 k, which is 415 k, 4.4% less than the 10 year average of 9,464 k.

- Area is at position #13 in the satellite record

- Area is  192 k MORE than 2021,
- Area is  934 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  661 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  1,059 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  345 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 94.0% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 25 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2022 of 3.42 million km2, 1.17 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 12th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #659 on: August 19, 2022, 05:59:34 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 18th, 2022:
      5,670,667 km2, a drop of -39,148 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2022, 06:06:04 AM by Juan C. García »
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #660 on: August 19, 2022, 10:51:34 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,670,667 KM2 as at 18-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 39k, 14 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 53k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 8,723 k, which is 420 k, 4.6% less than the 10 year average of 9,143 k.

- Extent is at position #14 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  241 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  991 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  1,107 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  655 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,364 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  519 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 91.3% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 27 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.80 million km2, 1.63 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #661 on: August 19, 2022, 11:22:00 AM »
And we drop below the 2004 minimum into 19th place.

Trivia: from tomorrow (Aug 19), until September 19, the lowest 15 years are the most recent 15 years
(going on 16 years, assuming 2022 stays below 2005)

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #662 on: August 19, 2022, 11:31:40 AM »
The plume of projections of the JAXA se ice extent minimum show that remaining sea ice loss give a range of the minimum from just over 4.5 million km2 to over 5 million km2.

This suggests it is unlikely that the minimum will be lower than 2021 and will be possibly above 5 million km2. It is hard to reconcile that with the extreme amounts of very low concentration ice at very high latitudes.

I will see what the PIOMAS data has to say.
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #663 on: August 19, 2022, 02:23:04 PM »
And we drop below the 2004 minimum into 19th place.

Trivia: from tomorrow (Aug 19), until September 19, the lowest 15 years are the most recent 15 years
(going on 16 years, assuming 2022 stays below 2005)

Attached is the most recent NSIDC sea ice data.  I have attached estimated extents based on gerontocrat's past years averages.  Additionally, the minima of the 21st century are shown where they would appear roughly on the curve. We pasted 2001 over a week ago, and are zeroing in on the minima of 2000 and 2003.  As stated previously, 2022 will likely pass 2005, but after that it is a crap shoot.  While the past average takes us to around the same level as 2013 and 14, anything can happen over the next month.  If melt increases, this year could surpass 2021, which stands currently as 12th lowest.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #664 on: August 20, 2022, 06:41:09 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 19th, 2022:
      5,600,070 km2, a drop of -70,597 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #665 on: August 20, 2022, 09:12:22 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,600,070 KM2 as at 19-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 71k, 16 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 55k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 8,794 k, which is 404 k, 4.4% less than the 10 year average of 9,198 k.

- Extent is at position #14 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  213 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,041 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  1,065 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  629 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,374 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  496 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 91.9% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 26 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.79 million km2, 1.61 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #666 on: August 20, 2022, 05:07:32 PM »
NSIDC 5 day trailing averages show little or no sign of sea ice extent & area losses speeding up
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« Reply #667 on: August 20, 2022, 06:24:32 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,997,631 KM2 as at 19-Aug-2022

- Area loss on this day 8k, 36 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 44k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 9,076 k, which is 477 k, 5.0% less than the 10 year average of 9,553 k.

- Area is at position #13 in the satellite record

- Area is  240 k MORE than 2021,
- Area is  964 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  782 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  1,112 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  414 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 94.9% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 23 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2022 of 3.48 million km2, 1.23 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 12th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #668 on: August 21, 2022, 05:55:27 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 20th, 2022:
      5,547,323 km2, a drop of -52,747 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #669 on: August 21, 2022, 09:55:53 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,547,323 KM2 as at 20-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 53k, 0 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 53k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 8,847 k, which is 405 k, 4.4% less than the 10 year average of 9,251 k.

- Extent is at position #14 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  203 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,063 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  1,040 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  624 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,404 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  490 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 92.4% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 25 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.79 million km2, 1.61 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #670 on: August 21, 2022, 02:59:55 PM »
NSIDC Area loss has basically stalled

NSIDC Total AREA as at 20-Aug-2022 (5 day trailing average) 3,993,535 KM2         
         
Total Area         
 3,993,535    km2      
 445,507    km2   >   2010's average.
 280,665    km2   >   2021
 990,216    km2   >   2020
         
Total Change   -4    k   loss
Peripheral Seas   -1    k   loss
Central Seas___   -3    k   loss
         
Peripheral Regions         
Okhotsk______    1    k   gain
Bering _______   -0    k   loss
Hudson Bay___    0    k   gain
Baffin  Bay____   -1    k   loss
St Lawrence___    -    k   loss
Greenland____   -1    k   loss
Barents ______    0    k   gain
         
Central Arctic  Ocean Regions         
Chukchi______   -3    k   loss
Beaufort_____   -10    k   loss
CAA_________   -3    k   loss
East Siberian__   -4    k   loss
Central Arctic__    13    k   gain
Laptev_______    5    k   gain
Kara_________   -1    k   loss
         
Sea ice area loss on this day 4 k, 35 k less than the last 10 years average loss of 39 k         
         
- Area is at position #13 in the satellite record.         
- Area is 446 k more than the 2010's average         
- Area is 819 k more than 2016         
- Area is 990 k more than 2020         
- Area is 281 k more than 2021          
- Area is 1,142 k more than 2012         
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NSIDC Total EXTENT as at 20-Aug-2022 (5 day trailing average) 5,916,158 KM2         
         
NSIDC Sea ice EXTENT loss on this day 39 k, 17 k less than the 2010's average loss of 56k         
         
- EXTENT is at position #15 in the satellite record.         
- EXTENT is 571 k more than the 2010's average         
- EXTENT is 648 k more than 2016         
- EXTENT is 1,060 k more than 2020         
- EXTENT is 308 k more than 2021          
- EXTENT is 56 k more than 2012         
         
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #671 on: August 22, 2022, 06:01:13 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 21st, 2022:
      5,500,508 km2, a drop of -46,815 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #672 on: August 22, 2022, 08:06:23 AM »
And now we slip below the 2002 minimum into 17th place. Above only 2005 and 2007-2021.

321k more to drop to get down to 16th place, so the next milestone is actually getting out of the ">5.25 Million km²" poll bin

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #673 on: August 22, 2022, 09:58:45 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,500,508 KM2 as at 21-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 47k, 1 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 48k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 8,893 k, which is 406 k, 4.4% less than the 10 year average of 9,300 k.

- Extent is at position #15 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  199 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,115 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  1,029 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  606 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,427 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  487 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 92.9% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 24 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.79 million km2, 1.61 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #674 on: August 22, 2022, 04:53:13 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,980,572 KM2 as at 21-Aug-2022

- Area loss on this day 13k, 21 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 34k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 9,093 k, which is 533 k, 5.5% less than the 10 year average of 9,626 k.

- Area is at position #14 in the satellite record

- Area is  298 k MORE than 2021,
- Area is  1,014 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  831 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  1,168 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  470 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 95.6% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 21 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2022 of 3.54 million km2, 1.29 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 12th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #675 on: August 23, 2022, 03:10:41 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

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50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #676 on: August 23, 2022, 06:17:38 AM »
5,431,208 km², decrease of -69,300 vs average -47,430 i.e. anomaly down -22k
« Last Edit: August 23, 2022, 06:24:04 AM by Brigantine »

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #677 on: August 23, 2022, 10:16:03 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,431,208 KM2 as at 22-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 69k, 22 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 47k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 8,963 k, which is 384 k, 4.1% less than the 10 year average of 9,347 k.

- Extent is at position #13 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  160 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,114 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  989 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  568 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,420 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  471 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 93.4% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 23 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.77 million km2, 1.59 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #678 on: August 24, 2022, 06:34:18 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 23rd, 2022:
      5,355,592 km2, a drop of -75,616 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #679 on: August 24, 2022, 02:18:33 PM »
Post in haste, repent at leisure.
Here is the correct narrative for the 23rd August


JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,355,592 KM2 as at 23-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 76k, 28 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 48k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 9,038 k, which is 356 k, 3.8% less than the 10 year average of 9,395 k.

- Extent is at position #12 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  109 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,090 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  943 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  544 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,439 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  446 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 93.9% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 22 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.74 million km2, 1.56 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #680 on: August 24, 2022, 02:25:29 PM »
less is more ..
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #681 on: August 24, 2022, 09:55:30 PM »
"Average remaining extent gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2022 of 14.39 million km2, 0.52 million km2 above the March 2017 record low maximum of 13.88 million km2, which would be 10th lowest in the satellite record"

I think we're still in the loss phase?  Wrong template?  :-)

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #682 on: August 25, 2022, 06:18:32 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 24th, 2022:
      5,355,592 km2, a drop of -75,616 km2.


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Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2022, 05:51:44 AM by Juan C. García »
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #683 on: August 25, 2022, 06:29:18 AM »
Sorry Juan, but you have repeated the reading for the 23rd.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #684 on: August 25, 2022, 07:45:58 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 24th, 2022:
      5,355,592 km2, a drop of -75,616 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.

As wallen pointed out, these are the numbers for August 23. The numbers for August 24 have still not been published.
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #685 on: August 26, 2022, 05:48:48 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

As wallen pointed out, these are the numbers for August 23. The numbers for August 24 have still not been published.
Sorry about that...  :(

August 24th, 2022:
      5,243,190 km2, a century break drop of -112,402 km2.

August 25th, 2022:
      5,173,639 km2, a drop of -69,551 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #686 on: August 26, 2022, 07:31:17 AM »
Just below the 2005 minimum and counting,at least 16th place in the bag!

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #687 on: August 26, 2022, 09:23:32 AM »
Just below the 2005 minimum and counting,at least 16th place in the bag!
Below all the minima before 2007, yet (for now) above all the minima since

Oh, and at least one person was too high on the August JAXA poll. We're now into the 4.75 - 5.25 km² zone

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #688 on: August 26, 2022, 01:02:14 PM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,173,639 KM2 as at 25-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 70k, 22 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 48k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 9,220 k, which is 269 k, 2.8% less than the 10 year average of 9,489 k.

- Extent is at position #11 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  28 k LESS than 2021,
- Extent is  969 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  791 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  528 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,437 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  363 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 94.8% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 20 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.65 million km2, 1.48 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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How much of this recent accelerated sea ice extent loss is real melt and how much increased concentration from sea ice drift?
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #689 on: August 26, 2022, 03:54:24 PM »
A late flurry in sea ice area and extent loss. Will it be maintained?

NSIDC Total AREA as at 25-Aug-2022 (5 day trailing average) 3,814,072 KM2         
         
Total Area         
 3,814,072    km2      
 414,681    km2   >   2010's average.
 290,014    km2   >   2021
 994,204    km2   >   2020
         
Total Change   -68    k   loss
Peripheral Seas    1    k   gain
Central Seas___   -69    k   loss
         
Peripheral Regions         
Okhotsk______   -1    k   loss
Bering _______   -0    k   loss
Hudson Bay___    0    k   gain
Baffin  Bay____   -1    k   loss
St Lawrence___    -    k   loss
Greenland____    3    k   gain
Barents ______   -0    k   loss
         
Central Arctic  Ocean Regions         
Chukchi______   -4    k   loss
Beaufort_____   -6    k   loss
CAA_________   -4    k   loss
East Siberian__   -27    k   loss
Central Arctic__   -23    k   loss
Laptev_______   -6    k   loss
Kara_________    0    k   gain
         
Sea ice area loss on this day 68 k, 40 k more than the last 10 years average loss of 28 k         
         
- Area is at position #13 in the satellite record.         
- Area is 415 k more than the 2010's average         
- Area is 826 k more than 2016         
- Area is 994 k more than 2020         
- Area is 290 k more than 2021          
- Area is 1,126 k more than 2012         
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NSIDC Total EXTENT as at 25-Aug-2022 (5 day trailing average) 5,551,822 KM2         
         
NSIDC Sea ice EXTENT loss on this day 87 k, 36 k more than the 2010's average loss of 51k         
         
- EXTENT is at position #13 in the satellite record.         
- EXTENT is 464 k more than the 2010's average         
- EXTENT is 486 k more than 2016         
- EXTENT is 1,008 k more than 2020         
- EXTENT is 130 k more than 2021          
- EXTENT is 89 k less than 2012         
         
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #690 on: August 26, 2022, 03:56:56 PM »
This graph by Nico Sun of NSIDC Arctic sea ice area one-day data suggests a late drop in sea ice is possible.
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #691 on: August 27, 2022, 05:47:49 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 26th, 2022:
      5,148,061 km2, a drop of -25,578 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #692 on: August 27, 2022, 02:03:17 PM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,148,061 KM2 as at 26-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 26k, 25 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 51k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 9,246 k, which is 295 k, 3.1% less than the 10 year average of 9,541 k.

- Extent is at position #11 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  1 k LESS than 2021,
- Extent is  975 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  789 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  602 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,466 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  390 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 95.3% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 19 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.68 million km2, 1.50 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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« Reply #693 on: August 27, 2022, 04:28:41 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,737,691 KM2 as at 26-Aug-2022

- Area loss on this day 76k, 45 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 31k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 9,336 k, which is 438 k, 4.5% less than the 10 year average of 9,774 k.

- Area is at position #13 in the satellite record

- Area is  253 k MORE than 2021,
- Area is  938 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  825 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  1,084 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  374 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 97.1% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 16 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2022 of 3.44 million km2, 1.19 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 12th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #694 on: August 27, 2022, 04:37:33 PM »
from NSIDC (5-day trailing average) data

The area and extent graphs show losses stalled in the peripheral seas - entirely down to ice in the Greenalnd Sea NE of Greenland has not melted out this year. In 2021 ice in the Greenalnd sea was at a record low.

The High Arctic graphs show 2022 extent currently well below that in 2021, while the area graph shows the opposite.

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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #695 on: August 28, 2022, 05:43:39 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 27th, 2022:
      5,117,126 km2, a drop of -30,935 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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« Reply #696 on: August 28, 2022, 11:46:20 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,117,126 KM2 as at 27-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 31k, 13 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 44k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 9,277 k, which is 308 k, 3.2% less than the 10 year average of 9,585 k.

- Extent is at position #12 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  23 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  960 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  778 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  652 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,472 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  405 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 95.8% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 18 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.69 million km2, 1.51 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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« Reply #697 on: August 28, 2022, 03:27:08 PM »
NSIDC Total AREA as at 27-Aug-2022 (5 day trailing average) 3,669,000 KM2         
         
Total Area         
 3,669,000    km2      
 335,586    km2   >   2010's average.
 219,233    km2   >   2021
 882,057    km2   >   2020
         
Total Change   -69    k   loss
Peripheral Seas    3    k   gain
Central Seas___   -71    k   loss
         
Peripheral Regions         
Okhotsk______    1    k   gain
Bering _______    0    k   gain
Hudson Bay___   -2    k   loss
Baffin  Bay____   -2    k   loss
St Lawrence___    -    k   loss
Greenland____    6    k   gain
Barents ______    0    k   gain
         
Central Arctic  Ocean Regions         
Chukchi______   -4    k   loss
Beaufort_____   -15    k   loss
CAA_________   -3    k   loss
East Siberian__   -21    k   loss
Central Arctic__   -24    k   loss
Laptev_______   -6    k   loss
Kara_________    2    k   gain
         
Sea ice area loss on this day 69 k, 37 k more than the last 10 years average loss of 32 k         
         
- Area is at position #13 in the satellite record.         
- Area is 336 k more than the 2010's average         
- Area is 849 k more than 2016         
- Area is 882 k more than 2020         
- Area is 219 k more than 2021          
- Area is 1,043 k more than 2012         
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NSIDC Total EXTENT as at 27-Aug-2022 (5 day trailing average) 5,384,715 KM2         
         
NSIDC Sea ice EXTENT loss on this day 78 k, 29 k more than the 2010's average loss of 49k         
         
- EXTENT is at position #12 in the satellite record.         
- EXTENT is 399 k more than the 2010's average         
- EXTENT is 415 k more than 2016         
- EXTENT is 906 k more than 2020         
- EXTENT is 49 k more than 2021          
- EXTENT is 1,442 k more than 2012
         
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Re: 2022 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #698 on: August 29, 2022, 05:52:35 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

August 28th, 2022:
      5,094,188 km2, a drop of -22,938 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent.
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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« Reply #699 on: August 29, 2022, 11:59:20 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,094,188 KM2 as at 28-Aug-2022

- Extent loss on this day 23k, 11 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 34k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 9,300 k, which is 320 k, 3.3% less than the 10 year average of 9,620 k.

- Extent is at position #12 in the 44 year satellite record

- Extent is  44 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  975 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  755 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  661 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  1,508 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  416 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 96.1% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 17 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2022 of 4.70 million km2, 1.53 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 13th lowest in the satellite record
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