I don't know the situation in Hungary or Germany.
Do they have Nazi brigades that fly Nazi flags?
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If a Russian cameraman photographs Ukrainian soldiers parading through a Ukrainian town in full Nazi array, and captures the locals waving Wolves Angles as they scream their approval, is this propaganda?
Terry, when you claimed that the US Navy was planning to build a Naval base in Crimea, we asked for a reference. You could not come up with one.
Actually I did respond with three references. The fact that you didn't accept them is quite a different proposition from claiming that I "could not come up with one".
The fact that this failed covert operation, which occurred ~4 yrs ago, has left any breadcrumbs to mark it's passing is remarkable in itself.
So now this is the second time asking for a reference to your claims.
Just what is it that you want proof of?
Do you need me to prove that neither Hungary or Germany have National Guard Brigades that march under flags that are illegal to fly in Germany?
At some point
reductio ad absurdum must have crossed your mind. Pictures of Nazi brigades in full dress array marching through Berlin or Budapest today, brings to mind one of Mel Brooks satires.
Springtime for Hitler and Germany undoubtedly would be the accompaniment.
The thing is that we KNOW from MH17, that Russia is willing to lie and cheat and misinform and blame Ukraine, and fabricate evidence in their news outlets.
The only thing that we "KNOW" from MH17's untimely downing is that Putin's Presidential jet was in the air at ~the same time, in ~the same location, with the Russian President aboard. That someone shot MH17 down using a ground to air missile, an air to air missile, or machine gun fire from rather close range.
In addition we can infer that the US and her allies, as well as the Russians, have radar and satellite images that will prove to everyone's satisfaction exactly who did what to whom. The fact that neither side has made their own images available is at the minimum perplexing.
So you should be EXTREMELY cautious when you obtained you info from a Russian news source.
Actually I use extreme caution obtaining information from any news source. While these events were occurring I was reading reports from people on the ground in both Ukraine and Crimea. They of course had their own biases, but all were reporting on the same events from their own varied perspectives.
If you post it, then maybe we can do some fact checking together.
Since you don't accept my sources, my assumptions, or my experiences, I'm unsure what you hope to accomplish.
What occurred in Ukraine was and is painful. I'm not an overly emotional person, but viewing a middle aged women with her legs blown off, lying in the street and asking what had happened to her daughter affected me. Government forces were the only ones in the air at that time. Video of a very pregnant, freshly raped body, with the telephone wire that strangled her still taut gives me shivers when I recall Odessa.
These were not isolated occurrences. Odessa was planned and executed as a cautionary lesson to anyone who didn't jump when Kiev demanded it. People did return to their villages, only to find their neighbors gone and strangers eating at their table.
I followed all of this in real time. I learned a lesson about how these regimes come to power, how governmental terrorism works, and something of the power of propaganda.
Would that help ?
To accomplish what?
You seem to have swallowed the Ukrainian/American packet in it's entirety. It distresses me when a friend, and I consider everyone at Neven's sites as a friend, appears to be in the thralls of ideology. This forum is scientifically literate. We're aware that our biases need to be subservient to our observations. We know that consensus means naught and that one fact outweighs a thousand theories.
What facts would strengthen our hypotheses? What facts might weaken it?
If America were behind the coup does evidence exist?
Nancy Nuland's phone conversation to Pyatt has never been questioned. In fact the state department acknowledged the authenticity of the recording when they apologized for her remarks.
This is very strong evidence that, rather than being an internal Ukrainian uprising, or something that the Kremlin orchestrated, it was instead a plot that Dick Chaney's former foreign affairs adviser was deeply involved in.
Once America's part in overthrowing a democratic government is accepted, the other elements begin to fall into place. Without this basic understanding the subsequent atrocities make little sense. Crimea had petitioned for her independence from Ukraine many times, but this was the straw that stuck in their gullet (to mix a few metaphors). Donbass wanted closer ties to Russia, so her primarily Russian speaking populace became the enemy of the usurpers. Odessa's populace was leaning toward Russia, an example had to be made.
Without understanding the duplicity of those in power in Kiev, and the debt they owe to the US, these destructive actions seem to be acts of national suicide.
In this instance the nation of Ukraine's survival is of less importance than disrupting Russia's energy sales to the Eu. Yats, Poroshenko and Biden are in it for the money - and what happened to the tons of gold that were spirited out of the country?
Thousands of dead civilians in Donbass mean little to those that consider the murder of 300k children in Iraq to be "worth it".
Another failed state counts for little when global hegemony is the goal.
The people of Ukraine are the victims of the deep state, even the Nazis.
Terry