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« on: November 07, 2018, 08:51:12 PM »
Kick this off by noting the 2018 elections show republicans retaining rural strength, democrats increasing share of suburban vote, and holding the cities. Turnout up in both, people are voting.

https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/record-voter-turnout-in-2018-midterm-elections/

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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2018, 09:03:23 AM »
Wow, haven't even recovered from the 2018 thread  ;D

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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2018, 10:35:21 AM »
A bit off topic but quite instructive, Jesse Ventura's run for the governership of Minnesota 20 years ago. The Democrats clearly learned nothing from this.
https://www.rt.com/shows/watching-the-hawks/443301-jesse-ventura-governor-anniversary/

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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2018, 11:03:41 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2018, 02:20:20 AM »
You're wasting your time.

The system is rigged.

We live under a world wide autocratic empire.
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2018, 06:10:39 AM »
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We live under a world wide autocratic empire.

"An autocracy is a system of government in which supreme power is concentrated in the hands of one person, whose decisions are subject to neither external legal restraints nor regularized mechanisms of popular control"

Didn't know Trump was that powerful?

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2018, 08:05:48 AM »
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We live under a world wide autocratic empire.

"An autocracy is a system of government in which supreme power is concentrated in the hands of one person, whose decisions are subject to neither external legal restraints nor regularized mechanisms of popular control"

Didn't know Trump was that powerful?

I'm talking about occult supranational powers that installed Trump, who is controlled opposition.

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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2018, 08:11:40 AM »
Clearly we need an "Occult Supranational Powers" thread.

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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2018, 02:40:08 PM »
Is it 1984?

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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2018, 01:34:34 AM »
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation. - Herbert Spencer

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2019, 05:33:56 AM »
America's Finest News Source: ‘We Will Not Repeat The Mistakes Of The 2016 Election’

"the U.S. populace vowed Wednesday not to repeat the errors of 2016"

https://politics.theonion.com/we-will-not-repeat-the-mistakes-of-the-2016-election-1832763775

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2019, 04:31:54 PM »
We shall see.

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2019, 11:12:34 PM »
Merry at the american conservative sees the possibility of a socialist president:

He doesn't like it of course:

"So it’s possible that the country could get, for the first time in its history, an experiment in socialist governance, mixed with a far-left push on high-voltage social issues such as immigration, political correctness, and racial politics. That would be a recipe for failure, leaving the country even more desperate for political leadership to restore stability."


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-coming-socialist-president/

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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2019, 01:24:41 AM »
Merry at the american conservative sees the possibility of a socialist president:

Not a chance. There are none currently in the running and there are none with the necessary popularity (or age--looking at you, AOC). We'll get a Corporate Democrat at best. Most likely, we'll need to suffer Trump for another four years. The Dem candidates that have declared so far are incredibly weak and in no way represent socialist platforms.

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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2019, 09:09:10 AM »
Money, money, money: how the sausage is made

“Everyone at this point is for no PAC money, no super PACs, no oil money, no Wall Street money, no foreign money, and everyone is for overturning Citizens United,”

“Bernie basically funded an entire campaign with online and low-dollar contributions,”

"Harris, Gillibrand, and Booker are taking a hybrid approach, constructing robust grassroots operations while still enjoying the backing of fat cats ..."

“The only reason anyone ever gets out of a presidential race is because they ran out of money”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02/elizabeth-warrens-rookie-mistake-foreshadows-a-2020-money-war

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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2019, 08:40:14 AM »
For what it's worth: gallup sez iberals outnumbered by conservatives

https://news.gallup.com/poll/247016/conservatives-greatly-outnumber-liberals-states.aspx

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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2019, 09:35:06 AM »
Oh. My. Gosh.  :-[

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2019, 11:50:31 AM »
Oh. My. Gosh.  :-[

Welcome to reality. It is what it is.

My hope was the pendulum would swing a little all things considered.

I am socially naive i have to admit.

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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2019, 05:28:24 PM »
For what it's worth: gallup sez iberals outnumbered by conservatives

https://news.gallup.com/poll/247016/conservatives-greatly-outnumber-liberals-states.aspx

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It's deeply disheartening.  Of course, it's a global phenomenon, not US-specific.  Many, many places are turning conservative/neoliberal/authoritarian/nationalist. 
I suspect the greatest underlying cause is social media.
It's easy to spread fear/hate/xenophobia/nationalism in 124 characters at a time.  Progressive policies usually require deeper examination to support.

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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2019, 10:39:39 PM »
Hopkins at consent factory predicts Muller report fizzle and Trump election narrative:

"The long-awaited Mueller report is due any day now, or so they keep telling us. Once it is delivered, and does not prove that Trump is a Russian intelligence asset, or that he personally conspired with Vladimir Putin to steal the presidency from Hillary Clinton, well, things are liable to get a bit awkward. "

" Trump is going to reach over, grab that report, roll it up tightly into a makeshift cudgel, and then beat the snot out of his opponents with it. He is going to explain to the American people that the Democrats, the corporate media, Hollywood, the liberal intelligentsia, and elements of the intelligence agencies conspired to try to force him out of office with an unprecedented propaganda campaign and a groundless special investigation. He is going to explain to the American people that Russiagate, from start to finish, was, in his words, a ridiculous “witch hunt,” a childish story based on nothing. Then he’s going to tell them a different story."

"That story goes a little something like this …"

"The American people did not care. They were so disgusted with being conned by arrogant, two-faced, establishment stooges like the Clintons, the Bushes, and Barack Obama that they chose to put Donald Trump in office, because, fuck it, what did they have to lose?"

"Every component of the ruling establishment (i.e., the government, the media, the intelligence agencies, the liberal intelligentsia, et al.) collaborated in an unprecedented effort to remove an American president from office based on a bunch of made-up horseshit … which kind of amounts to an attempted soft coup."

"This is the story Donald Trump is going to tell the American people."


https://consentfactory.org/2019/03/21/mueller-dammerung/

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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2019, 12:16:11 AM »
"Every component of the ruling establishment (i.e., the government, the media, the intelligence agencies, the liberal intelligentsia, et al.) collaborated in an unprecedented effort to remove an American president from office based on a bunch of made-up horseshit … which kind of amounts to an attempted soft coup."

"This is the story Donald Trump is going to tell the American people."

Which is what I feared from the very start. Russiagate could very well be the primary reason for a Trump re-election. The other problem is that it has been used to smear progressives (aka Putin puppets or Kremlinbots). It is basically a double whammy, making Trump stronger and weakening progressive populism, the only thing that can beat Trump.

What a mess...
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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2019, 03:00:43 PM »
Nobody needs to apologize, that's nonsense. But I do wonder whether they now see how monumentally stupid it has been strategy-wise to put all the eggs in the Russiagate-basket. It has been a huge waste of time and energy. But you know what? That was the whole idea. This was all planned. Distract and divide.

Even if all of the collusion-allegations were true, if the powers that be want Mueller to shelve his investigation, he will shelve it right away. Trump is great for concentrated wealth. The only way to beat him, is to keep repeating that he hasn't replaced the swamp, he is simply part of the swamp, and always has been.

Try to convince people of that now.  ::)

People need to stop uniting behind Corporate Democrats, and start uniting behind true populist progressives. It's the only way to beat Trump. Forget Obama, the Clintons, Pelosi, Schumer and all of the other neoliberal maniacs. That's the kind of politics that has gotten the US and the rest of the world in this frightful mess.
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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2019, 03:29:39 PM »
As someone that works in conservation in the US and sees the on-the-ground consequences of policy and electoral outcomes every day, I just thought I'd pop in here and say you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Have a nice day.

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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2019, 03:35:44 PM »
How so prairiebotanist? Can you elaborate a little more, please? How do you mean "working in conservation"?

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« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2019, 03:38:05 PM »
I'm sure that AbruptSLR, and Rob Dekker, and Martin Gisser, and Buddy, and sedziobs, and Susan Anderson, and Oren et al are all preparing their apology to you and to Jimmy Dore when the Mueller Report is finally tabled.  ;D

And their second apology if Trump gets re-elected in Nov 2020.
Huh? When did I ever say anything in support of Russiagate or the Mueller investigation?

This is the only time I remember even talking about Russia:
Yes, there are crazy redneck-type people in the US, but I don't believe this is a majority.
They're not, but workers who are opposed to higher taxes are the majority.  The backlash to Obamacare was not just rednecks.

I agree that Russia issues should be in the background.  I think I acknowledge the potential reality of those issues more than you do, but they're not related to the real problem.  Ousting Trump will not dissuade his voters, which is what needs to happen.  Focusing on popular issues can make that happen.

The problem with corporate media is the same as the problem with corporate anything: profit motive.  Viewers are drawn to tribalism, so there is an incentive to promote it.  The Russia stuff does exactly that.  It doesn't mean it's all made up, just that TV news has a higher incentive to talk about Russia than policy.
And in that same response I was trying to show that there is indeed a majority of "conservatives" (meaning opposition to government spending) in the US.

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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2019, 11:06:14 PM »
"Every component of the ruling establishment (i.e., the government, the media, the intelligence agencies, the liberal intelligentsia, et al.) collaborated in an unprecedented effort to remove an American president from office based on a bunch of made-up horseshit … which kind of amounts to an attempted soft coup."

"This is the story Donald Trump is going to tell the American people."

Which is what I feared from the very start. Russiagate could very well be the primary reason for a Trump re-election. The other problem is that it has been used to smear progressives (aka Putin puppets or Kremlinbots). It is basically a double whammy, making Trump stronger and weakening progressive populism, the only thing that can beat Trump.

What a mess...

That pretty well sums it up. If there's nothing damning in the report, the Democratic party (mine) is going to look really bad and have one hell of a time in 2020.

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« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2019, 11:10:06 PM »
As someone that works in conservation in the US and sees the on-the-ground consequences of policy and electoral outcomes every day, I just thought I'd pop in here and say you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Probably, but decades of neoliberalism and globalism hasn't been so great for 'on-the-ground consequences of policy and electoral outcomes every day' either, so you tell me what the best way to go is.
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« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2019, 06:19:36 AM »
Re: "This is the story Donald Trump is going to tell the American people."

Here it comes.

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« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2019, 09:26:49 PM »
Cohen at counterpunch: democrats running on obama era policies will lose

"We need to remember the vacillation – and worse, the opportunism and corporatism. As well as cause and effect: that Obama’s tenure paved the way for the rise of Trump."

He refers to an article by Stoller in 2017 at wapo:

" the past eight years of policymaking have damaged Democrats at all levels. Recovering Democratic strength will require the party’s leaders to come to terms with what it has become — and the role Obama played in bringing it to this point."

"The resulting policy framework of Tim Geithner’s Treasury Department was, in effect, a wholesale attack on the American home (the main store of middle-class wealth) in favor of concentrated financial power. The second was the administration’s pro-monopoly policies, which crushed the rural areas that in 2016 lost voter turnout and swung to Donald Trump."

" Obama prioritized creditor rights, placing most of the burden on borrowers. This kept big banks functional and ensured that financiers would maintain their positions in the recovery. "

“We can either have a rational resolution to the foreclosure crisis, or we can preserve the capital structure of the banks. We can’t do both.”

" Obama’s administration let big-bank executives off the hook for their roles in the crisis. "

"Obama enabled and encouraged roughly 9 million foreclosures. This was Geithner’s explicit policy at Treasury. "

"When Democratic leaders don’t protect the people, the people get poorer, they get angry, and more of them die."

"Though 58 percent of Americans were in favor of government action to halt foreclosures, Obama’s administration balked. And voters noticed."

" the reality is that the Democratic Party has been slipping away from the working class for some time, and Obama’s presidency hastened rather than reversed that departure."

Stoller's article is at:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/12/democrats-cant-win-until-they-recognize-how-bad-obamas-financial-policies-were/

Cohen continues:

"Like Emanuel, Obama’s next two chiefs of staff also came out of big finance: William Daley from JP Morgan Chase and Jacob Lew from Citigroup."

"Yes, Obama faced intense Republican obstruction in Congress. But it wasn’t Mitch McConnell who stacked the Obama administration with corporatist appointees and policies."

"The last two Democratic presidents gave “hope” a bad name."

"To win back these voters – and to inspire voters of color and youth – will require a Democratic nominee who is a forward-looking, progressive populist."

"While it’s true that “any Democrat is better than Trump,” reverting back to the Obama era is a return to a status quo that stopped working for millions of voters long ago."

Read the whole thing:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/22/lets-not-restore-or-mythologize-obama/

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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2019, 06:27:22 AM »
We know some of the main themes from Trump on this campaign : No Collusion ! Witch Hunt ! Fake News ! ...

As Taibbi has alluded, now Trump could shoot someone on live TV and half the country wouldn't believe it. The media have lost whatever shreds of credibility they retained after WMD. The only reason people watch em is to laugh at them. We live in a world where the newschannels are comedy, and even the comedy channels have better news.

As Hopkins wrote:

"Trump is going to reach over, grab that report, roll it up tightly into a makeshift cudgel, and then beat the snot out of his opponents with it."

2020 looks bad for the democrats. They have given Trump a huge campaign weapon. Now the battle is truly uphill. If they beat the drums about ongoing investigations, half the country will tune em out, they will waste more time, energy, money. You ain't gonna get him on Russia. Mebbe about finances, but looks like democratic investigations of anything trump related will founder in public eye. And time is running out. Mueller spent a couple years, tens of millions, came up short. Ain't gonna get anything definitive before the election, and worse, now nobody believes you anyway.

Biden will kill the democrats. Bernie is probably the best chance, he can mobilize more votes than anyone else on that bus. I think he should do a repeat, like with the Hilary emails: I don't wanna talk about it. Do the same with Russiagate: Don't wanna talk about Russia-Trump, lets talk about poor people getting screwed.

Get real. Talk about money and why so many don't have any. And go with grassroots media because the major channels have no credibility left. The only way to beat Trump is to grab that populist flag from him.

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« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2019, 07:05:50 AM »
Noam Chomsky on Trump-Russia Collusion

In March 2019, weeks before the Mueller Report was finalized, acclaimed scholar and "Manufacturing Consent" author Noam Chomsky explained in an interview why accusations of Russian meddling and Trump-Russia collusion were "a joke."


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« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2019, 12:39:59 AM »
Party Time ! A million of them

"More than 1 million people have signed up to volunteer for his campaign, aides said, and the Sanders team will ask them Wednesday to host house parties across the country on April 27 ..."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/03/bernie-sanders-2020-volunteers-1246524

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« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2019, 02:29:41 AM »
Party Time ! A million of them

"More than 1 million people have signed up to volunteer for his campaign, aides said, and the Sanders team will ask them Wednesday to host house parties across the country on April 27 ..."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/03/bernie-sanders-2020-volunteers-1246524

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That is disturbing. If Trump had asked his supporters to host "house parties" there would be riots on the street from the left. Bernie will not win, he is an insane lunatic, and giving him the nomination is an excellent way to ensure Trump sweeps with 350+ electoral votes.

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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2019, 07:51:10 AM »
If Trump had asked his supporters to host "house parties" there would be riots on the street

WTF? How in hell do you come to this conclusion?

and giving him the nomination is an excellent way to ensure Trump sweeps with 350+ electoral votes.

This might be the worst political analysis i've read in my life.

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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2019, 09:15:14 AM »
If Trump had asked his supporters to host "house parties" there would be riots on the street

WTF? How in hell do you come to this conclusion?

and giving him the nomination is an excellent way to ensure Trump sweeps with 350+ electoral votes.

This might be the worst political analysis i've read in my life.
I see the action as community infiltration of a political party. Conducting active gatherings is a great way to determine who is or is not with you in your neighborhood. It is divisive and antagonistic and a prelude to "us vs. them".

You are free to disagree with my analysis. I thought Trump was going to win in 2016 and I think that he is going to win again in 2020 unless the US market tanks before then and I think that is unlikely (and even if it did I'd give him 50/50 odds of winning again).

Bernie's message will not play with the majority of Americans and if he is the D nominee the media is going to go into overdrive replaying whatever Trump is saying (Bernie has not mastered this technique). The media got him elected in 2016 and they will do the same in 2020. It doesn't matter what they are screeching after "Trump," all that matters is that they are blaring "TRUMP".

The trade war with China is a tool that can be used to prop up the market should signs of weakness begin to become more discussed. This may result in an eventual correction that will be worse had it occurred earlier, but I think he has enough political leverage to keep stocks current levels sustained through November of 2020. If recession does not occur before then, it will by Jan 2021 (IMO). November 2020 is 18 months post-current yield curve inversion which puts it squarely in the middle of when recessions have occurred after previous inversions (12-24 months).

Finally, if you think the market would tolerate a Bernie presidency, you are deranged. Bernie has made it his MO to attack corporate America. The media is going to fire against him on all cylinders (i.e. simply repeating Trump's name incessantly and more than Bernie's).

The ONLY way a Democrat stands a chance in November 2020 is if the market tanks before then. It's the economy, stupid.

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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2019, 10:14:42 AM »
I see the action as community infiltration of a political party.

Wow! Infiltration, eh? WOW!
Only, it's not infiltration. It's called grassroots movement. It's a political process and is the most normal thing. You seeing this as infiltration leaves me speechless. This anti-democratic bullshit smear makes me sick.

You are free to disagree with my analysis.

It's about voter turnout. If the Dems are able to bring minorities and young people to vote for them, they will win. A centrist candidate will not activate those voters. They'll stay at home as they did in 2016 when there was no candidate for them. Bernie is the candidate that makes them vote.

Bernie's message will not play with the majority of Americans

The majority of Americans vote along their partisan lines.  The people who voted for the orange fart last time around will vote orange fart in 2020 again.  You don't win an election by flipping those. They are vastly unflippable. You need to activate new voters if you want to win. And frankly, any candidate who is not a Hillary type (centrist/non-progressive) will bring more Dems to the voting booth than in 2016.

Your remarks on the economic framework are all speculation, so i wouldn't go into that.

Finally, if you think the market would tolerate a Bernie presidency, you are deranged.

'the markets' needs to tolerate a candidate for them to get elected?

Guess what! Changing this is what Bernies grassroots movement is about to do!

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« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2019, 10:11:44 PM »
Sjursen warns democrats: run on issues, not russia

"they’ve handed a massive political win to their nemesis"

" what the two-year failed Mueller crusade did do was expose the cynicism of the establishment Democrats. For the impeachment scheme to work, liberal elites needed you to believe something far greater than Trump collusion. Specifically that Russia – Reagan’s “evil empire” reborn – and its authoritarian leader, Vladimir Putin, are monsters bent on world domination, are existential threats to the U.S. and the American way of life. And boy did they sell it! "

"They’re stuck on Cold War language and a Cold War playbook. "

"Trump has often been right to oppose escalation and seek détente with Russia. "

" just because you hate Trump and Trump seems to admire Putin, that doesn’t mean Russia is evil, bent on world conquest, or a vital national security threat. It just means you hate Trump, obsessively, to your own and your party’s detriment."

"Go ahead and run against Trump and not for something in 2020 – and I’ll see you at The Donald’s second inaugural address!"

https://original.antiwar.com/Danny_Sjursen/2019/04/08/america-and-russia-the-tale-of-the-tape/

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« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2019, 11:05:22 PM »
And what are the democrats going to do for these minorities and young voters ?

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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2019, 12:00:05 AM »
And what are the democrats going to do for these minorities and young voters ?

The same thing they have always find - lip service.  Why change a good thing?

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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2019, 11:20:08 AM »
And what are the democrats going to do for these minorities and young voters ?

Which one?

I was talking about Bernie and he is pretty blatant about what he wants to do for those groups.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH1dpzjCEiGAt8CXkryhkZg/videos

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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2019, 09:37:34 PM »
Unless a better pro-life candidate runs, I will hold my nose and vote for Trump.
Climate change is the second most important issue today...abortion is the first.
And if you feel upset by this post, you have to understand why millions of voters like me voted for the orange toupee.
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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2019, 09:49:55 PM »
Unless a better pro-life candidate runs, I will hold my nose and vote for Trump.
Climate change is the second most important issue today...abortion is the first.
And if you feel upset by this post, you have to understand why millions of voters like me voted for the orange toupee.

it's obvious, already unmasked, hope forum gov will soon get the message

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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2019, 08:37:40 AM »
why get upset about that?

I reject any kind of law that developed from religious beliefs. A government must be secular, period.

So yes, i'm getting very upset when religious fundamentalists try to impose their rules on everyone.

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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2019, 09:03:01 AM »
You have a lot of laws to reject then. Almost all of them. ;)

I wouldn't say almost all of them. Most laws can be argued for with reason and the categoric imperative, so these are out of the picture. But yeah, a lot of laws should be rethought with a secular mindset.

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How much have you studied US history?

A fair share i guess.

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So first get used it.

Hell no! I'm a Kantian. Getting used to it would mean to abandon my beliefs system.

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Second, don't get mad, or lose your cool, get even! (there is no point arguing with them)

Wise words. :)

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Don't forget too that Abolition of Slavery was driven home by "religious fundamentalists" more or less.

Are you implying non-religious people support slavery?? (just kidding Lurk  :P )

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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2019, 09:55:44 AM »

The Age of Enlightenment rolls on like a glacier removing all before it. :)
The glaciers are melting.
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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2019, 10:03:00 AM »

The Age of Enlightenment rolls on like a glacier removing all before it. :)
The glaciers are melting.

Stop punching my belly Gerontocrat! ;)

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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2019, 01:06:51 PM »
I'm not bothered by Tasmania's law you mention, Lurk.
I am bothered by America allowing killing about a million people a year just because they are less than nine months old and inconvenient.
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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2019, 04:39:58 PM »
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The "Abolition of Abortion in Texas Act" would classify abortion as murder "regardless of any contrary federal law, executive order, or court decision,"
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Pretty brazen, isn't it, for a law (an intended law at this point) to declare courts do not have the power to determine constitutionality?   At least this part of the Act would surely be determined unconstitutional.  Those three words makes me think the whole purpose of the drafted Act is to score political points and not get enacted.

Also, as many fertilized eggs die young naturally, would this be manslaughter? ("You know, Your Honor, she sneezed, and should be held responsible for her actions.")
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… researchers have estimated that 40 to 65 percent of conceptions end in miscarriages. And more than half of those occur so early that pregnancy is not even suspected yet (miscarriages that happen in the first few weeks of pregnancy are called chemical pregnancies or blighted ovums — meaning that the fertilized egg failed to implant or develop for unknown reasons).
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Re: Elections 2020 USA
« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2019, 02:23:18 AM »
America's Finest News Source:  Mike Pence, Pete Buttigieg Locked In Battle Of Prayers

"a lightning bolt blasted off the top of the Washington Monument"

"causing the sky to turn black, the water in the Reflecting Pool to part ... the temperature dropped and the earth burst open below them, witnesses confirmed that Buttigieg’s eyes turned red ..."

"Pence and Buttigieg reportedly fused into a single, blindingly white light as countless angels swirled around them"

https://politics.theonion.com/lightning-bolt-blasts-washington-monument-as-mike-pence-1833978821

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